Quote from Teia RabishuTo be fair, you're not being racist per se, but you're still being supremely ignorant.
Illegal immigrants, some of whom work for less than minimum wage, actually help the economy somewhat rather than hurt it. If you're going to hire someone to do the most menial labour, would you rather hire them at $X/hour, or the $X+Y minimum wage? That $Y can go towards expanding the company (and no, not all money saved this way goes directly into executives' pockets, despite the stereotype). Bigger companies hire more workers. I assure you, giving these menial jobs to citizens wouldn't really help in the long run as much as you'd think.
Quote from bocephusLast summer someone that lives by me made the statement, 'you can tell times are tough when the landscaping crews are all white guys.' I didnt think twice about it until I started to notice that almost every landscaping crew I saw was all 30 and 40 something white guys. So there are some white guys that will take the pay to do landscaping.
Quote from Darklich528You simply can't look at it in a vacuum. Sure, illegal immigrants will work for lower than minimum wage, however:
1) They don't pay taxes.
2) They get free health care by going to the ER and never paying.
3) Their children get free school service, despite not paying taxes.
4) They get into car accidents but don't have insurance.
All of these things are a drain on the system, some in a huge way.
I'd imagine that if an illegal did have to pay taxes, they wouldn't be so quick to work for near nothing. (Although in this economy...)
Lastly, an illegal immigrant is a person who enters the country illegally. It has nothing to do with race whatsoever, so I'm not sure why it was brought up twice.
Quote from LogicXThis is just untrue. Illegal immigrants actually pay more into the system than they get out because they still pay things like social security, but they are not allowed to collect it. Generally they pay taxes like everyone else, they just don't get the benefit of it.
Quote from Darklich5283) Their children get free school service, despite not paying taxes.
Is the amount they pay in social security more than the amount that they stiff hospitals?
Quote from Barack Obama »We're supposed to stand up to bullies, not follow them. We're supposed to stand up to discrimination. And we're sure as heck supposed to stand up clearly and unequivocally to Nazi sympathizers. How hard can that be, saying that Nazis are bad?
Quote from RabidVacinIs the amount they pay in social security more than the amount that they stiff hospitals? I doubt it.
You also have to take into account how many illegal immigrants pay taxes and how many get paid under the table.
Quote from Teia RabishuBetter than their children not getting school service, because an education means these children can live better lives than their parents and help the economy along in ways other than taking crappy work no one else wants to.
Note that I'm not arguing in favour of illegal immigration. They're illegal immigrants for a reason, and there are legal ways to immigrate. However, the reality of the situation is that it will never be fully addressed, so we might as well accept whatever positives come with it. If you want to look at it as a way of minimizing losses in order to make it more palatable to you, then do that.
Quote from CyanThe reason that low-wage employers don't want skilled employees is because they know that those employees will bail the minute that anything better comes along. If an employee says that they will not do this(which most understandably will), they are most likely lying.
And yes, minimum wage jobs generally feel like the ☺☺☺☺tiest ever. Sometimes, even being unemployed feels better. At least then you're not busting your ass for 40+ hours/week, only to have nothing to show for it at the end(working full time to make just enough to pay your bills is an extremely, extremely depressing thing to have to deal with). So it's not particularly surprising that people in this situation hate their life. They hate it because it sucks.
Quote from CyanI've never found myself to be in agreement with that logic. In my experience, illegals(and even legal immigrants) generally end up working the jobs that other white people think they are too good for anyway. I can assure you that you will never find 2-3 white guys that will spend 3 hours doing yardwork for 60 bucks. They would want 120-150. But in reality, 10 dollars/hr is all that kind of work is really worth, IMO.
Quote from kurisuResponding directly to the title I would have to say yes it is. I currently make just over minimum wage in MN and if I lived alone I would just barely be able to make rent food and bills working 40 hours a week. The point I want to highlight is that while one can survive on minimum wage, you can't live on it. There is no saving for the future or going out to the movies or mall or any of it. It requires living in a very different manner then most people. This is why it's soul crushing. The things most people do are just out of reach when you have to support yourself on minimum wage and that's what makes it harsh.
Quote from the_cardfatherThe biggest problem is finding housing on that income, and getting a full schedule. If you get a full 40 every week which most people on min wage don't then you make $1200 before taxes. Taxes are going to eat 12-15% so you're down to $1020. In my area single bed room apartments cost $650 unless you find someone with a studio who might rent it for $400 or you're in some college town with "dorm style" apartments where you share a living space and don't have to find room-mates. Obv there is a big difference.
Quote from dcartist(1) Do people who make $14,400 a year pay 12-15% in taxes???
Your standard deduction is around $9500 if I recall, and the lowest tax bracket is 10%. So if you make $14,400 a year, you have $5000 in taxable income, which taxed at 10% is $500 taxes a year. Throw in state taxes and whatever, and I think that's going to be maybe 5% taxes at most.
(2) If you're on minimum wage, get roommates, save money. I did it when I was going to school, and don't see why people think they're too good for roommates.
Quote from Darklich528Except that me and the rest of the tax base are the ones paying for their schooling, which I don't care to do. I'd rather they took the crappy jobs. I mean, somebody has to do them.
Also, they're illegal no matter how you slice it, so no I don't have to just accept it. That's asinine.
Quote from bighabenThe standard deduction is 5,800 for a single individual meaning you end up paying more taxes than in your scenario. So, someone is probably paying around 10-15% of their taxes on full-time mininium wage.
Quote from lynxcatWhat exactly do you think 'living' means?
Quote from Teia RabishuYou realize you're talking to a Canadian, right? I'm totally fine with the idea of my tax dollars paying for benefits for other people.
Quote from Teia RabishuIf someone's not a citizen but is still kicking around, you seriously do have to weigh the benefit of simply accepting their presence vs the cost of deporting them.
Quote from Teia RabishuYes, they're illegal. I acknowledged this in my post. But rather than leaving it at complaining about them, why not try to make the best of a situation that's not going to change any time soon? Policing immigration and jobs and so on even harder would take up more money than simply letting these people contribute to the economy—yeah, they get paid under the table, so no income taxes from them, but they're still buying things with that money. Sales taxes are good for the economy, and the more people buying things, the better.
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Your entire post comes across as ignorant and full of self-entitlement.
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It's anything but. I'm the one who lives in the United States, right next to a place overrun with illegal immigrants. You don't even live in the country, and I'm the ignorant one?
All I want is that the money I make at my job, that I work extremely hard for, goes to me instead of somebody else. And I'm self-entitled? I don't think so. People who abuse the system are scum, and we shouldn't cater to them.
Quote from Darklich528All I want is that the money I make at my job, that I work extremely hard for, goes to me instead of somebody else. And I'm self-entitled? I don't think so.
You don't even live in the country, and I'm the ignorant one?
For every stooge that majors in creative writing you have someone else that majors in something useful like medicine.