Just for 100% disclosure: I am 99.9% sure I know who the person behind the Crossbell alt is (it can only realistically be one person). The reason why I'm using the spiderman meme is because Crossbell is my username on a couple different mafia sites. I won't out the person behind the alt unless they want me to, though.
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Well that's weird both your usernames are being used at once, I don't like this.
If you don't like it, then why is your vote not on either one of us?
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if I'm not dead tonight, can I death tunnel you? Lol
I mean, you're alive right now, and you can interrogate me to try and figure out my alignment. Why are you saying "tunnel Proph if I die" instead of.. y'know, actually doing the legwork right now?
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@dota
because that's what we do
we know what to look for to find each others alignment
though Proph is definitely a lot better than he thinks, more so than me, at playing wolf
We only won Darling in the Franxx because we had a gassed up wolfteam. Snow White is a much more accurate representation of my scumgame (able to pull the wool over people's heads early, then die in f3).
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If I die tonight snap vote wisp out of the game thanks.
That's all I got so far.
You're doing the same thing as Wisp - why are you waiting until you're dead to get people to vote for the person you're scumreading? People generally do not listen to dead/NK'd players - every townie this game is working off of the same information, besides the fact that each of them knows that they're town.
Just for 100% disclosure: I am 99.9% sure I know who the person behind the Crossbell alt is (it can only realistically be one person). The reason why I'm using the spiderman meme is because Crossbell is my username on a couple different mafia sites. I won't out the person behind the alt unless they want me to, though.
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Well that's weird both your usernames are being used at once, I don't like this.
If you don't like it, then why is your vote not on either one of us?
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if I'm not dead tonight, can I death tunnel you? Lol
I mean, you're alive right now, and you can interrogate me to try and figure out my alignment. Why are you saying "tunnel Proph if I die" instead of.. y'know, actually doing the legwork right now?
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@dota
because that's what we do
we know what to look for to find each others alignment
though Proph is definitely a lot better than he thinks, more so than me, at playing wolf
We only won Darling in the Franxx because we had a gassed up wolfteam. Snow White is a much more accurate representation of my scumgame (able to pull the wool over people's heads early, then die in f3).
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If I die tonight snap vote wisp out of the game thanks.
That's all I got so far.
You're doing the same thing as Wisp - why are you waiting until you're dead to get people to vote for the person you're scumreading? People generally do not listen to dead/NK'd players - every townie this game is working off of the same information, besides the fact that each of them knows that they're town.
@Crossbell: Is placing a second vote on someone (hypothetically town) who hasn't come in yet really a thing? On a scale of 1 to 10 (10 being the worst) how scummy do you find it?
Crossbell, on a scale of “Fish” to “Spaghetti” just how serious is this vote?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
the last game I finished was a wolf game with Proph, on forum if lies. We were both wolves with goated partners
I am assuming that means with really great partners, I know GOAT as slang but not used that way before, correct me if that is wrong.
It's way too small of a sample size but I can't help but town read engaged relaxed Wisp. He has so much trouble replicating his breezy style as a wolf and I think it would have been easier if he'd been coming back from a hiatus and just bursting with excitement to play again.
@Crossbell while protecting your identity would you say you've played with most of the people posting so far before?
the last game I finished was a wolf game with Proph, on forum if lies. We were both wolves with goated partners
I am assuming that means with really great partners, I know GOAT as slang but not used that way before, correct me if that is wrong.
It's way too small of a sample size but I can't help but town read engaged relaxed Wisp. He has so much trouble replicating his breezy style as a wolf and I think it would have been easier if he'd been coming back from a hiatus and just bursting with excitement to play again.
@Crossbell while protecting your identity would you say you've played with most of the people posting so far before?
Crossbell, on a scale of “Fish” to “Spaghetti” just how serious is this vote?
Hey now. RVS to Final 3 is a reasonable scale. You can put mid day 3 to EoD 4 as reasonable steps along the continuum. With death tunneling HR as the most serious level even beyond F3.
Anyway I think my vote has become serious. About a late D1 level of seriousness.
Know this is par for the course for their playstyle, but would appreciate if Crossbell would explain their mindset a little more, rather than list out town/scumreads with scant explanation.
Grapefruit, talk to me about how your read on Crossbell has developed over these past 24 hours?
Know this is par for the course for their playstyle, but would appreciate if Crossbell would explain their mindset a little more, rather than list out town/scumreads with scant explanation.
Grapefruit, talk to me about how your read on Crossbell has developed over these past 24 hours?
I wouldn't say it's developed so much as my initial impression has been negative. Didn't like the mafia slip question towards you at all (looked like asking for permission to push) and the town read on you seemed flimsy. I also find their presence to be a bit jaggedy and uneven. A weird mixture of relaxation and discomfort that I can't quite figure out. Knowing they're familiar with everyone here makes me lean towards the discomfort I'm picking up on be from rolling scum but it's a minor thing.
TLDR a couple reads that feel like they skipped a step and weird tone stuff I'm putting way too much stock into.
Crossbell, on a scale of “Fish” to “Spaghetti” just how serious is this vote?
Hey now. RVS to Final 3 is a reasonable scale. You can put mid day 3 to EoD 4 as reasonable steps along the continuum. With death tunneling HR as the most serious level even beyond F3.
Anyway I think my vote has become serious. About a late D1 level of seriousness.
I wasn't taking a dig at you. Crossbell had just got asked by two different people practically back-to-back to rank something on a scale, and they were different scales. So, I thought I would add my own.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
DV - might still be a wolf, but I am mind-melding with his thought process, I think he is decent enough at pushing an agenda, but I don't think this is how he approaches it as a wolf. Overall I think he is veeeeery likely to be town
Axel - gets to be below DV for claiming to be town in his post, I like those things, fight me.
Grape - might be pocketing me, but I like his posts overall
Everyone else - don't really care yet?
Proph - I'm not even thinking about his meta, I think its an unfun way to interact with Proph. I do very much dislike his handling of me, and pieces of that wall post, that include calling me out for not placing my vote, when that statement was should not have really led to that conclusion, unless you are trying to push malicious thoughts? He definitely needs to like blow me away today, for me to change this, possibly?
Crossbell - Something, something, about straddling the line of like knowing who we are, but also playing like he doesn't know who we are, kinda rubs me the wrong way. I think Grape explains it a lot better
24 hours in, but I would be baffled if there is not a wolf between proph and fake proph.
Feels like I hate all the people that hate me, guess that's how the cookie crumbles
i don't wanna, at least not yet
idk who crossbell is, and pressure isn't gunna do much for changing what you do, regardless of your alignment
so like, meh /shrug
Didn't like the mafia slip question towards you at all (looked like asking for permission to push)
Ehh, I was asking for confirmation since I wasn't confident. There's less than 100 posts in the game even now.
and the town read on you seemed flimsy.
It's a mild townlean because I like that Prophylaxis is being solvey as quickly as they are. There's less than 100 posts in the game, so I don't have much in the way of notes on people yet. I want to push two people up into towncore.
I also find their presence to be a bit jaggedy and uneven. A weird mixture of relaxation and discomfort that I can't quite figure out. Knowing they're familiar with everyone here makes me lean towards the discomfort I'm picking up on be from rolling scum but it's a minor thing.
Oh, that might be that I'm uncomfortable because I don't have as much focus as I'd like on this, and I'm relaxed because I like everyone in the playerbase and am looking forward to the game.
TLDR a couple reads that feel like they skipped a step and weird tone stuff I'm putting way too much stock into.
I definitely am light on any content behind my reads. Trying to hard-sort ASAP given the 9 player nature.
You dislike [Crossbell]'s posting, but your vote on me turned from a slight pressure vote to an actual vote? Those two statements read as bizarre together.
DV - might still be a wolf, but I am mind-melding with his thought process, I think he is decent enough at pushing an agenda, but I don't think this is how he approaches it as a wolf. Overall I think he is veeeeery likely to be town
Axel - gets to be below DV for claiming to be town in his post, I like those things, fight me.
Grape - might be pocketing me, but I like his posts overall
Everyone else - don't really care yet?
Ehh? This isn't much of a thought process and doesn't assuage any of the teams with you on them. Hmph.
Proph - I'm not even thinking about his meta, I think its an unfun way to interact with Proph. I do very much dislike his handling of me, and pieces of that wall post, that include calling me out for not placing my vote, when that statement was should not have really led to that conclusion, unless you are trying to push malicious thoughts? He definitely needs to like blow me away today, for me to change this, possibly?
Crossbell - Something, something, about straddling the line of like knowing who we are, but also playing like he doesn't know who we are, kinda rubs me the wrong way. I think Grape explains it a lot better
24 hours in, but I would be baffled if there is not a wolf between proph and fake proph.
Feels like I hate all the people that hate me, guess that's how the cookie crumbles
I don't hate you. I love you!
In all seriousness, I have too many scumleans right now and you're not even in the bottom two.
You dislike [Crossbell]'s posting, but your vote on me turned from a slight pressure vote to an actual vote? Those two statements read as bizarre together.
DV - might still be a wolf, but I am mind-melding with his thought process, I think he is decent enough at pushing an agenda, but I don't think this is how he approaches it as a wolf. Overall I think he is veeeeery likely to be town
Axel - gets to be below DV for claiming to be town in his post, I like those things, fight me.
Grape - might be pocketing me, but I like his posts overall
Everyone else - don't really care yet?
Proph - I'm not even thinking about his meta, I think its an unfun way to interact with Proph. I do very much dislike his handling of me, and pieces of that wall post, that include calling me out for not placing my vote, when that statement was should not have really led to that conclusion, unless you are trying to push malicious thoughts? He definitely needs to like blow me away today, for me to change this, possibly?
Crossbell - Something, something, about straddling the line of like knowing who we are, but also playing like he doesn't know who we are, kinda rubs me the wrong way. I think Grape explains it a lot better
24 hours in, but I would be baffled if there is not a wolf between proph and fake proph.
Feels like I hate all the people that hate me, guess that's how the cookie crumbles
Does town Wisp post this or is this something scum wisp thinks town wisp would post?
I'll break down my misgivings with Wisp in a bit but I just really don't like how he's refusing to use his vote
Refused to vote in RVS, stated that he didn't want to vote between Crossbell or I, when I think town Wisp would just be way more fearless and confident
I'll break down my misgivings with Wisp in a bit but I just really don't like how he's refusing to use his vote
Refused to vote in RVS, stated that he didn't want to vote between Crossbell or I, when I think town Wisp would just be way more fearless and confident
Has he ever not done that?
I've seen him like not vote for a while. Once he starts it goes everywhere, but until then it can be awhile.
I'm not sure. The line about me explaining it better feels particularly bad because I know my rambling made no sense and that's why I TLDR'd it, but like it's also the sort of stream of consciousness stuff that if he keeps it up he has a hard time faking. As a once off it's fakable but not all game long.
Anyway hang in there Pacific NW people. It's absolutely brutal to not have AC in that sort of heat and I know there isn't widespread home AC up there.
I did some cursory/small sample size meta-ing of Wisp and I'm pretty sure he voted early in his most recent town game, and did not really vote early in his two most recent wolf games
Don't think this means much but it's still a thing imo
Okay, I reread through everyone now that we're nearing 100 posts. I think I have what approaches a PoE:
Crossbell - Town. Relaxed and focused when present. Joking around a very small amount early on, but quickly sorting.
Prophylaxis - Townlean. I like their response to my existence and I like how they took things seriously even only 20ish posts in. Post #30 is a good look for them; I like the reasoning behind calling out Wisp and DV, and I agree that Wisp seemed to be stumbling early on. #39 is a good response to DV and Wisp. Pushing for more from both. I particularly like the last paragraph. My thanks for reminding me and Grapefruit to elaborate in #71. Post #77 is a good way to joke while pushing Wisp to do more. Their read on me is likely based on them thinking that I'm a mutual friend of ours, but it's not awful. Post #88 is a good callout. Townread.
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Grapefruit21 - I generally don't like second votes in RVS but ehh, it's mostly NAI. The Wisp question is kinda random; sorta looks like busywork. The Proph question is okay. While I don't agree with the wording of Post #66, I think I like the flow/point of it overall? Post #69 just is unexplained. Out of nowhere. I like the thought process in Post #73 even though it's wrong. Mild Townlean.
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Wisp - Comes in a little social, looking okay. But their first mechanical post is talking about death-tunneling Proph if Wisp is alive. Which, while jokey, is awkward and could be scum trying to derpclear. They responded jokingly to me prodding out about a possible slip with a stiffness and odd confidence I don't like. And then they have a strange follow-up of semi-politely approaching me as if they want to me to talk to them but don't necessarily care about my answer since if I don't shift to a townread on them, they can just kill me. Wisp then discusses Proph as an authority on them. Post #29 feels like they're being cheeky to direct attention away from scumtells. And then they invalidate their only implied reads with Post #32. I agree wholeheartedly with Proph in #33, that Wisp is playing reactively. Post #35 feels like Wisp is trying to fall back on people not taking them seriously but that doesn't get to happen any more. #36 and #37 are stilted AF but that may just be #TooWispyToBeAWolf. Their responses in #55 and #56 ] to my posts are very handwavey. A slight wolfping there. Readlist is... very unexplained. Two hours later to expand on reads, and still doesn't really expand on some of them? Do not like at all. Despite my misgivings, I think I'm overall at very slightly above null right now mostly because #TooWispyToBeAWolf, but I want to see them get energetic for a bit.
Killjoy - Very slightly above null. #41 isn't bad, it just isn't enough. The focus on the Axel/DoTA potential world is not bad. Keeping an eye on that for later.
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Cantripmancer - Hasn't posted because it's the weekend. Null.
DoTArchon - Asks Wisp a question for their first real bit of content. Okay. Hasn't really posted since. Null to slight scumlean.
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DV - Starts out with Post #28. A linking conditional that is particularly easy to make as mafia. Then they come along with Post #34 and are hard defending Wisp partially as an OMGUS over low pressure. Their read on the Proph push on Wisp seems to take the push much more seriously than it is. They then come along with Post #62, not-very-explained thoughts on my posts. Post #79 I could see being an honest mistake, but I also feel like they're getting away with not doing much since people are treading on eggshells around them to avoid them blowing up. "Don't worry about me not being careful on reading the game." Eww. Post #93 and it's follow-up in #95 are the first real-looking and solid thoughts I've seen from DV all game. I kinda like it, but it doesn't make up for the previous posts. I'mma leave DV at a scumlean for now.
Axelrod - Needed to explain their RVS vote. Feels generally a bit awkward; possibly their first scumgame in a while? The only talk in the game they really do after that point is still playing defense, it seems. Not a good start for one of the better town players on the site. Scumread.
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Rainbow of players:
Crossbell
Prophylaxis
Grapefruit21
Lastwhisper
Killjoy
Cantripmancer
DoTArchon
DV
Axelrod
In terms of teams, I think that the DV+Axelrod team is a fraction of a little bit less likely, though. So while I'm pretty sure one of the two of them is probably mafia, the other mafia team member I suspect to be one of KJ/Cantrip/Archon.
It looks like you're trying for a derp clear.
Well, Prophylaxis can be town, I guess.
On a scale of RVS to Final 3 how serious is this vote?
@Wisp have you been playing off site games recently? When did you last finish a game.
@Proph You seem eager to get out of RVS, is this a new thing for you or am I misremembering your MO.
@crossbell
Sure
3.1415926535897932384666/10...
But it makes for good RVS.
I also have Wisp below null.
Firmly RVS.
Serious vote.
Something something these two sentences are not great together.
Is this inside info? Don't know who the player is so hard to say if its a scum tell or not.
I have a very mild scumlean on Wisp and a slightly less mild townlean on Prophylaxis. What's happenin', Willis?
I am assuming that means with really great partners, I know GOAT as slang but not used that way before, correct me if that is wrong.
It's way too small of a sample size but I can't help but town read engaged relaxed Wisp. He has so much trouble replicating his breezy style as a wolf and I think it would have been easier if he'd been coming back from a hiatus and just bursting with excitement to play again.
@Crossbell while protecting your identity would you say you've played with most of the people posting so far before?
Bottom of my readlist.
I've played with everybody in this game.
Hey now. RVS to Final 3 is a reasonable scale. You can put mid day 3 to EoD 4 as reasonable steps along the continuum. With death tunneling HR as the most serious level even beyond F3.
Anyway I think my vote has become serious. About a late D1 level of seriousness.
I'll be around more tonight - MTGS does not have the best mobile interface.
Grapefruit, talk to me about how your read on Crossbell has developed over these past 24 hours?
Axel
Grape
Everyone else
Proph
Cross
I wouldn't say it's developed so much as my initial impression has been negative. Didn't like the mafia slip question towards you at all (looked like asking for permission to push) and the town read on you seemed flimsy. I also find their presence to be a bit jaggedy and uneven. A weird mixture of relaxation and discomfort that I can't quite figure out. Knowing they're familiar with everyone here makes me lean towards the discomfort I'm picking up on be from rolling scum but it's a minor thing.
TLDR a couple reads that feel like they skipped a step and weird tone stuff I'm putting way too much stock into.
Axel - gets to be below DV for claiming to be town in his post, I like those things, fight me.
Grape - might be pocketing me, but I like his posts overall
Everyone else - don't really care yet?
Proph - I'm not even thinking about his meta, I think its an unfun way to interact with Proph. I do very much dislike his handling of me, and pieces of that wall post, that include calling me out for not placing my vote, when that statement was should not have really led to that conclusion, unless you are trying to push malicious thoughts? He definitely needs to like blow me away today, for me to change this, possibly?
Crossbell - Something, something, about straddling the line of like knowing who we are, but also playing like he doesn't know who we are, kinda rubs me the wrong way. I think Grape explains it a lot better
24 hours in, but I would be baffled if there is not a wolf between proph and fake proph.
Feels like I hate all the people that hate me, guess that's how the cookie crumbles
idk who crossbell is, and pressure isn't gunna do much for changing what you do, regardless of your alignment
so like, meh /shrug
Was a slight pressure vote now is an actual vote.
I don't think I am who you think I am.
Alt.
This game sure is going to be confusing kekw
Ehh, I was asking for confirmation since I wasn't confident. There's less than 100 posts in the game even now.
It's a mild townlean because I like that Prophylaxis is being solvey as quickly as they are. There's less than 100 posts in the game, so I don't have much in the way of notes on people yet. I want to push two people up into towncore.
Oh, that might be that I'm uncomfortable because I don't have as much focus as I'd like on this, and I'm relaxed because I like everyone in the playerbase and am looking forward to the game.
I definitely am light on any content behind my reads. Trying to hard-sort ASAP given the 9 player nature.
Your vote is on me, though?
You dislike [Crossbell]'s posting, but your vote on me turned from a slight pressure vote to an actual vote? Those two statements read as bizarre together.
Ehh? This isn't much of a thought process and doesn't assuage any of the teams with you on them. Hmph.
I don't hate you. I love you!
In all seriousness, I have too many scumleans right now and you're not even in the bottom two.
(townsplaining gets old real quick)
Don't worry about that sloppy mistake.
Vote Crossbell
I'll try to play a little more seriously after I try to (unsuccessfully) cool off.
Word feels like the East side, but I'm west side now.
Spokane's hitting 110 tomorrow. Thank god I'm not over there anymore.
Took multiple cold showers, have a fan blazing in my room, and it's still not enough
Does town Wisp post this or is this something scum wisp thinks town wisp would post?
Refused to vote in RVS, stated that he didn't want to vote between Crossbell or I, when I think town Wisp would just be way more fearless and confident
I've seen him like not vote for a while. Once he starts it goes everywhere, but until then it can be awhile.
Anyway hang in there Pacific NW people. It's absolutely brutal to not have AC in that sort of heat and I know there isn't widespread home AC up there.
Don't think this means much but it's still a thing imo
Crossbell - Town. Relaxed and focused when present. Joking around a very small amount early on, but quickly sorting.
Prophylaxis - Townlean. I like their response to my existence and I like how they took things seriously even only 20ish posts in. Post #30 is a good look for them; I like the reasoning behind calling out Wisp and DV, and I agree that Wisp seemed to be stumbling early on. #39 is a good response to DV and Wisp. Pushing for more from both. I particularly like the last paragraph. My thanks for reminding me and Grapefruit to elaborate in #71. Post #77 is a good way to joke while pushing Wisp to do more. Their read on me is likely based on them thinking that I'm a mutual friend of ours, but it's not awful. Post #88 is a good callout. Townread.
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Grapefruit21 - I generally don't like second votes in RVS but ehh, it's mostly NAI. The Wisp question is kinda random; sorta looks like busywork. The Proph question is okay. While I don't agree with the wording of Post #66, I think I like the flow/point of it overall? Post #69 just is unexplained. Out of nowhere. I like the thought process in Post #73 even though it's wrong. Mild Townlean.
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Wisp - Comes in a little social, looking okay. But their first mechanical post is talking about death-tunneling Proph if Wisp is alive. Which, while jokey, is awkward and could be scum trying to derpclear. They responded jokingly to me prodding out about a possible slip with a stiffness and odd confidence I don't like. And then they have a strange follow-up of semi-politely approaching me as if they want to me to talk to them but don't necessarily care about my answer since if I don't shift to a townread on them, they can just kill me. Wisp then discusses Proph as an authority on them. Post #29 feels like they're being cheeky to direct attention away from scumtells. And then they invalidate their only implied reads with Post #32. I agree wholeheartedly with Proph in #33, that Wisp is playing reactively. Post #35 feels like Wisp is trying to fall back on people not taking them seriously but that doesn't get to happen any more. #36 and #37 are stilted AF but that may just be #TooWispyToBeAWolf. Their responses in #55 and #56 ] to my posts are very handwavey. A slight wolfping there. Readlist is... very unexplained. Two hours later to expand on reads, and still doesn't really expand on some of them? Do not like at all. Despite my misgivings, I think I'm overall at very slightly above null right now mostly because #TooWispyToBeAWolf, but I want to see them get energetic for a bit.
Killjoy - Very slightly above null. #41 isn't bad, it just isn't enough. The focus on the Axel/DoTA potential world is not bad. Keeping an eye on that for later.
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Cantripmancer - Hasn't posted because it's the weekend. Null.
DoTArchon - Asks Wisp a question for their first real bit of content. Okay. Hasn't really posted since. Null to slight scumlean.
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DV - Starts out with Post #28. A linking conditional that is particularly easy to make as mafia. Then they come along with Post #34 and are hard defending Wisp partially as an OMGUS over low pressure. Their read on the Proph push on Wisp seems to take the push much more seriously than it is. They then come along with Post #62, not-very-explained thoughts on my posts. Post #79 I could see being an honest mistake, but I also feel like they're getting away with not doing much since people are treading on eggshells around them to avoid them blowing up. "Don't worry about me not being careful on reading the game." Eww. Post #93 and it's follow-up in #95 are the first real-looking and solid thoughts I've seen from DV all game. I kinda like it, but it doesn't make up for the previous posts. I'mma leave DV at a scumlean for now.
Axelrod - Needed to explain their RVS vote. Feels generally a bit awkward; possibly their first scumgame in a while? The only talk in the game they really do after that point is still playing defense, it seems. Not a good start for one of the better town players on the site. Scumread.
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Rainbow of players:
Crossbell
Prophylaxis
Grapefruit21
Lastwhisper
Killjoy
Cantripmancer
DoTArchon
DV
Axelrod
In terms of teams, I think that the DV+Axelrod team is a fraction of a little bit less likely, though. So while I'm pretty sure one of the two of them is probably mafia, the other mafia team member I suspect to be one of KJ/Cantrip/Archon.
@Prophylaxis - Am I who you think I am?
@DV -