There's basically only one person it could be lmao
i am curious where u've seen me engage in RVS to think its that weird for me, to not engage in RVS? i don't recall even engaging in RVS in the FoL game
There's basically only one person it could be lmao
i am curious where u've seen me engage in RVS to think its that weird for me, to not engage in RVS? i don't recall even engaging in RVS in the FoL game
It's weird for you to be entirely reactive during RVS. It's not weird for you to not engage if you're mafia. I actually do think your push on me is a good look for you there if only you weren't wrong.
There's basically only one person it could be lmao
i am curious where u've seen me engage in RVS to think its that weird for me, to not engage in RVS? i don't recall even engaging in RVS in the FoL game
It's weird for you to be entirely reactive during RVS. It's not weird for you to not engage if you're mafia. I actually do think your push on me is a good look for you there if only you weren't wrong.
i mean u are getting betterish, maybe I am just not used to you being wrong on me, so it just feels more malicious then it is?
@Crossbell
I don't know, this is exactly how I expect Axelrod to start off as town, but then again, I have never seen an Axel wolf game
i don't wanna, at least not yet
idk who crossbell is, and pressure isn't gunna do much for changing what you do, regardless of your alignment
so like, meh /shrug
i don't wanna, at least not yet
idk who crossbell is, and pressure isn't gunna do much for changing what you do, regardless of your alignment
so like, meh /shrug
Are you very unsure of your scumreads then?
i can sit on this fence as much as I want, it's not even inherently wolfy outside context, especially not this early
There's basically only one person it could be lmao
i am curious where u've seen me engage in RVS to think its that weird for me, to not engage in RVS? i don't recall even engaging in RVS in the FoL game
It's weird for you to be entirely reactive during RVS. It's not weird for you to not engage if you're mafia. I actually do think your push on me is a good look for you there if only you weren't wrong.
i mean u are getting betterish, maybe I am just not used to you being wrong on me, so it just feels more malicious then it is?
Sure, though you don't get to be scum with people who read you decently very often.
i don't wanna, at least not yet
idk who crossbell is, and pressure isn't gunna do much for changing what you do, regardless of your alignment
so like, meh /shrug
Are you very unsure of your scumreads then?
i can sit on this fence as much as I want, it's not even inherently wolfy outside context, especially not this early
Why are you so worried? It's early and there's not much pressure on you lmao
im not worried, you two are just being annoying
I don't like being patronized, that's all
but its bound to happen in a game with limited player size though
so its w/e
I also have to keep checking which one you I am responding to, because you decided to be coy with your alt
I don't like being patronized, that's all
but its bound to happen in a game with limited player size though
so its w/e
Not trying to patronize you
I don't think that anyone is in this game heh
idk, I think you're taken seriously by everyone here
my questions are
1. Why is fencesitting wolfy in itself? especially this early
2. Why does reacting to pressure, little or not, mean anything outside of context
anyways im going to sleep
also if you have experience with axelrod, I am curious why you think what he has done so far, isn't like null, to slightly townish
since I work better-off people, and not on my own due to my reactive behavior
I am going to spend time figuring out who you are lol, until more stuff happens
There's basically only one person it could be lmao
i am curious where u've seen me engage in RVS to think its that weird for me, to not engage in RVS? i don't recall even engaging in RVS in the FoL game
It's weird for you to be entirely reactive during RVS. It's not weird for you to not engage if you're mafia. I actually do think your push on me is a good look for you there if only you weren't wrong.
i mean u are getting betterish, maybe I am just not used to you being wrong on me, so it just feels more malicious then it is?
Sure, though you don't get to be scum with people who read you decently very often.
also this post was supposed to be towards Proph, not you, clearly I don't have any idea who you are, so this post would make no sense
but again, I can't tell who I am responding to anymore, since you went and mimicked his old profile picture too
1. Why is fencesitting wolfy in itself? especially this early
2. Why does reacting to pressure, little or not, mean anything outside of context
Idk, it's a way to act like you're doing stuff while not providing solid reads. Overreacting to pressure is usually a sign that one is more worried about pressure than solving which is wolfy lmao
also if you have experience with axelrod, I am curious why you think what he has done so far, isn't like null, to slightly townish
since I work better-off people, and not on my own due to my reactive behavior
Yeah, they just appear awkward, as if this game is somehow different for them than their recent games.
Okay, I reread through everyone now that we're nearing 100 posts. I think I have what approaches a PoE:
Crossbell - Town. Relaxed and focused when present. Joking around a very small amount early on, but quickly sorting.
Hate this, dislike when people write about themselves at all. Its almost always a slight scum lean to me.
Prophylaxis - Townlean. I like their response to my existence and I like how they took things seriously even only 20ish posts in. Post #30 is a good look for them; I like the reasoning behind calling out Wisp and DV, and I agree that Wisp seemed to be stumbling early on. #39 is a good response to DV and Wisp. Pushing for more from both. I particularly like the last paragraph. My thanks for reminding me and Grapefruit to elaborate in #71. Post #77 is a good way to joke while pushing Wisp to do more. Their read on me is likely based on them thinking that I'm a mutual friend of ours, but it's not awful. Post #88 is a good callout. Townread.
Weak town read really can be summed up as "Doing things that slightly appear town". Yea pushing is towny, but is this out of Proph's scum range me thinketh not.
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Grapefruit21 - I generally don't like second votes in RVS but ehh, it's mostly NAI. The Wisp question is kinda random; sorta looks like busywork. The Proph question is okay. While I don't agree with the wording of Post #66, I think I like the flow/point of it overall? Post #69 just is unexplained. Out of nowhere. I like the thought process in Post #73 even though it's wrong. Mild Townlean.
Mild town read for I'm not even sure what, I guess its entirely post 73 which was the biggest hedge of all hedges,
I wouldn't say it's developed so much as my initial impression has been negative. Didn't like the mafia slip question towards you at all (looked like asking for permission to push) and the town read on you seemed flimsy. I also find their presence to be a bit jaggedy and uneven. A weird mixture of relaxation and discomfort that I can't quite figure out. Knowing they're familiar with everyone here makes me lean towards the discomfort I'm picking up on be from rolling scum but it's a minor thing.
TLDR a couple reads that feel like they skipped a step and weird tone stuff I'm putting way too much stock into.
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Wisp - Comes in a little social, looking okay. But their first mechanical post is talking about death-tunneling Proph if Wisp is alive. Which, while jokey, is awkward and could be scum trying to derpclear. They responded jokingly to me prodding out about a possible slip with a stiffness and odd confidence I don't like. And then they have a strange follow-up of semi-politely approaching me as if they want to me to talk to them but don't necessarily care about my answer since if I don't shift to a townread on them, they can just kill me. Wisp then discusses Proph as an authority on them. Post #29 feels like they're being cheeky to direct attention away from scumtells. And then they invalidate their only implied reads with Post #32. I agree wholeheartedly with Proph in #33, that Wisp is playing reactively. Post #35 feels like Wisp is trying to fall back on people not taking them seriously but that doesn't get to happen any more. #36 and #37 are stilted AF but that may just be #TooWispyToBeAWolf. Their responses in #55 and #56 ] to my posts are very handwavey. A slight wolfping there. Readlist is... very unexplained. Two hours later to expand on reads, and still doesn't really expand on some of them? Do not like at all. Despite my misgivings, I think I'm overall at very slightly above null right now mostly because #TooWispyToBeAWolf, but I want to see them get energetic for a bit.
This player either has limited experince with wisp or is trying to hard to obfuscate who they are and thus giving a highly diluted read of wisp.
Killjoy - Very slightly above null. #41 isn't bad, it just isn't enough. The focus on the Axel/DoTA potential world is not bad. Keeping an eye on that for later.
41 is nothing mate, you're grasping at straws if you're going to make that a read on anything.
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Cantripmancer - Hasn't posted because it's the weekend. Null.
DoTArchon - Asks Wisp a question for their first real bit of content. Okay. Hasn't really posted since. Null to slight scumlean.
Why is Dota scum, but Cantrip not? Its both null to me babby.
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DV - Starts out with Post #28. A linking conditional that is particularly easy to make as mafia. Then they come along with Post #34 and are hard defending Wisp partially as an OMGUS over low pressure. Their read on the Proph push on Wisp seems to take the push much more seriously than it is. They then come along with Post #62, not-very-explained thoughts on my posts. Post #79 I could see being an honest mistake, but I also feel like they're getting away with not doing much since people are treading on eggshells around them to avoid them blowing up. "Don't worry about me not being careful on reading the game." Eww. Post #93 and it's follow-up in #95 are the first real-looking and solid thoughts I've seen from DV all game. I kinda like it, but it doesn't make up
for the previous posts. I'mma leave DV at a scumlean for now.
I explicitly said post 28 was a joke once again grasping at straws. Hard defending? I said that wisp hadn't done anything.
Not a huge fan of this post.
I'm not truly advocating for anything. Me saying if I die "Whisp is scum" is more of a meta joke than anything else.
I see nothing out of the ordinary for whisp's posts.
Vote Proph
If you are going to characterize that as a hard defense I'd love to see what a weak defense is. Treading on eggshells around me? If you are going to make that kind of personal attack on me you can either reveal yourself or not make those personal attacks. Other than using some sort of personal history that I can't even be aware of what is the purpose of even saying that? Just to discredit me?
Axelrod - Needed to explain their RVS vote. Feels generally a bit awkward; possibly their first scumgame in a while? The only talk in the game they really do after that point is still playing defense, it seems. Not a good start for one of the better town players on the site. Scumread.
Axel always talks about himself and always spends more time explaining himself. Its not a scum read for him to want to explain himself fully so that players know what he is thinking. This is a newb scum read at best that doesn't understand the complexities of the game.
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Rainbow of players:
Crossbell
Prophylaxis
Grapefruit21
Lastwhisper
Killjoy
Cantripmancer
DoTArchon
DV
Axelrod
In terms of teams, I think that the DV+Axelrod team is a fraction of a little bit less likely, though. So while I'm pretty sure one of the two of them is probably mafia, the other mafia team member I suspect to be one of KJ/Cantrip/Archon.
@Prophylaxis - Am I who you think I am?
@DV -
Anyways Crossbell is trying way to hard to sort people off of really minor things IMO, it reads as scummy to me because its agenda driven when it is this weak, town shouldn't be pushing like this early on.
To call my very casual defense of wisp as a "hard defense" is such a massive mischaracterization I don't see how it can come from a town mind. Confirm vote I feel comfortable with this.
Anyways Crossbell is trying way to hard to sort people off of really minor things IMO, it reads as scummy to me because its agenda driven when it is this weak, town shouldn't be pushing like this early on.
To call my very casual defense of wisp as a "hard defense" is such a massive mischaracterization I don't see how it can come from a town mind. Confirm vote I feel comfortable with this.
Anyways Crossbell is trying way to hard to sort people off of really minor things IMO, it reads as scummy to me because its agenda driven when it is this weak, town shouldn't be pushing like this early on.
To call my very casual defense of wisp as a "hard defense" is such a massive mischaracterization I don't see how it can come from a town mind. Confirm vote I feel comfortable with this.
Anyways I'm off to bed gotta get up so I can wear a full suit tomorrow in 100 degree weather in a courtroom that I'm 90% sure doesn't have AC. Lucky me.
Anyways I'm off to bed gotta get up so I can wear a full suit tomorrow in 100 degree weather in a courtroom that I'm 90% sure doesn't have AC. Lucky me.
As to the nothing out of the ordinary, yeah he's null for me. I'm not really seeing something town Wisp wouldn't do, or that his scum meta couldn't mimic.
I'm not a huge fan of the Proph push on Wisp because its pretty reaching IMO and he should know better.
What do you make of his most recent posts? Do you still have Wisp as a null read?
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It's way too small of a sample size but I can't help but town read engaged relaxed Wisp. He has so much trouble replicating his breezy style as a wolf and I think it would have been easier if he'd been coming back from a hiatus and just bursting with excitement to play again.
Do you think Wisp right now is engaged and relaxed? I think his posting has been quite clumsy and.. unconfident, for lack of a better term. He seems to be annoyed with both how I and Crossbell are treating him, which is understandable.
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DV - might still be a wolf, but I am mind-melding with his thought process, I think he is decent enough at pushing an agenda, but I don't think this is how he approaches it as a wolf. Overall I think he is veeeeery likely to be town
I don't understand this read.
1) What exactly are you mind-melding with DV about? Give specifics.
2) What do you mean exactly by "I think he is decent enough at pushing an agenda, but I don't think this is how he approaches it as a wolf"? D_V has shown a desire to see me and Crossbell dead - moreso Crossbell than me. How do you think he'd approach it as a wolf?
Quote from Wisp »
Axel - gets to be below DV for claiming to be town in his post, I like those things, fight me.
How did you notice Axel say "I'm town" while ignoring the fact that Crossbell did the same thing in post 11? I guess Axel's post is way more blatant, but it feels weird to me that you're townreading Axel for this small townsplain while scumreading Crossbell despite them also townsplaining.
Quote from Wisp »
Proph - I'm not even thinking about his meta, I think its an unfun way to interact with Proph. I do very much dislike his handling of me, and pieces of that wall post, that include calling me out for not placing my vote, when that statement was should not have really led to that conclusion, unless you are trying to push malicious thoughts? He definitely needs to like blow me away today, for me to change this, possibly?
I plan on putting a healthy amount of effort into this game - up to you to decide if I'll "blow you away" or not. Again, if you're scumreading me, I would like to see a vote on me. I generally do not react well to pressure, as I think (?) you know.
Quote from Crossbell »
It's a mild townlean because I like that Prophylaxis is being solvey as quickly as they are. There's less than 100 posts in the game, so I don't have much in the way of notes on people yet. I want to push two people up into towncore.
You know that I'm fairly capable of faking most of what I've done so far as a wolf. What makes you think I am town versus wolf me going through the motions?
I'll look at/respond to Cross's wall in the morning. Preliminary thoughts are that the wall feels like it's trying to roleplay/emulate me, but I also find objectively speaking that posting a huge read wall when most players (Cantrip, KJ, DoTA, Axel) have not really sat down and played the game yet is.. not the best look?
I'm all for more discussion, but the wallpost feels intentionally played up - which is easily explained by the fact that the account holder behind the Crossbell alt is deliberately trying to emulate my posting style. Blegh.
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Still think Wisp is scum but that's my only real hard read right now. Everyone else is at various shades of null (or not posting).
You know that I'm fairly capable of faking most of what I've done so far as a wolf. What makes you think I am town versus wolf me going through the motions?
It's entirely an energy read. I think if you were a wolf here, you'd be a bit less gung ho or carefree. You'd also not need to be sorting Wisp, and since at this point I'm pretty sure you know who I am...
Preliminary thoughts are that the wall feels like it's trying to roleplay/emulate me, but I also find objectively speaking that posting a huge read wall when most players (Cantrip, KJ, DoTA, Axel) have not really sat down and played the game yet is.. not the best look?
I'm all for more discussion, but the wallpost feels intentionally played up - which is easily explained by the fact that the account holder behind the Crossbell alt is deliberately trying to emulate my posting style. Blegh.
Nah, the trying to draw blood from a stone with an early readwall is entirely me playing in a standard manner for me. (As either alignment.)
Still think Wisp is scum but that's my only real hard read right now. Everyone else is at various shades of null (or not posting).
Tbh I'd just started to come around on the possibility that Wisp could be town.
Like I'm not going to start worldbuildling until we're down to two inactives, though.
Talk to me about your progression on Wisp over this page?
Given you have the most amount of experience with him besides myself most likely, your read on him holds a fair amount of credence.
Will go more in-depth with my Wisp scumread explanation tomorrow. Could certainly be wrong, but Wisp is someone I'd like to sort out early regardless, since I'm probably the person who can work with him the best if he's town.
Talk to me about your progression on Wisp over this page?
Given you have the most amount of experience with him besides myself most likely, your read on him holds a fair amount of credence.
Will go more in-depth with my Wisp scumread explanation tomorrow. Could certainly be wrong, but Wisp is someone I'd like to sort out early regardless, since I'm probably the person who can work with him the best if he's town.
I think his start is definitely missing something, but he has been trying to tsundere the game like crazy, particularly at the start of games, and this seems like he's doing that. The point you made about the vote is a point against him, but the way he's responding to scumreads with frustration feels slightly townie. I brought him up to a townlean since I think he is legit confused by the two of us being in the thread, particularly once I started actually imitating you a bit more to see what came of it, and I'm not as sure that he would express it in the same way as mafia.
I think Axel not including Timetwister kinda reads to me as "less likely aligned" than "criminal mastermind obviously avoiding his buddy" especially since that would be optimal distancing time.
Shows how rusty I am, I hadn't even considered that it could be distancing. I don't think scumKJ brings this up so early in the game when it could have been used later on if I was facing being defenestrated.
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@Crossbell
Your only interactions with Axelrod before your reads wall were: A
Crossbell, on a scale of “Fish” to “Spaghetti” just how serious is this vote?
Bottom of my readlist.
Can you elaborate a bit more on how you have a solid scumread on Axel without having engaged with them once so far?
How do these two posts below affect your read on Axel?
Axelrod - Needed to explain their RVS vote. Feels generally a bit awkward; possibly their first scumgame in a while? The only talk in the game they really do after that point is still playing defense, it seems. Not a good start for one of the better town players on the site. Scumread.
Axel always talks about himself and always spends more time explaining himself. Its not a scum read for him to want to explain himself fully so that players know what he is thinking. This is a newb scum read at best that doesn't understand the complexities of the game.
Can you elaborate a bit more on how you have a solid scumread on Axel without having engaged with them once so far?
I've seen a lot of their games and talked with them some personally and am just feeling that they are awkward here, as I had explained. I feel like you aren't really taking my actual explanation into account in terms of my thoughts on Axelrod.
How do these two posts below affect your read on Axel?
I don't get a ton out of them. DV focused in on the very first sentence of my comment on Axelrod and clearly didn't think much about the rest. Lastwhisper is using a meta read, which is just spewing wine into the thread.
Can you elaborate a bit more on how you have a solid scumread on Axel without having engaged with them once so far?
I've seen a lot of their games and talked with them some personally and am just feeling that they are awkward here, as I had explained. I feel like you aren't really taking my actual explanation into account in terms of my thoughts on Axelrod.
How do these two posts below affect your read on Axel?
I don't get a ton out of them. DV focused in on the very first sentence of my comment on Axelrod and clearly didn't think much about the rest. Lastwhisper is using a meta read, which is just spewing wine into the thread.
I did read your explanation, I'm just not buying it. You're not trying to figure out Axelrod through questions and discussion, you're using meta to justify your scumread. And then you dismiss Wisp's opinion on the basis that it's a meta read...? Unvote Vote: Crossbell
For jumping a second vote on a town player before that player entered the thread.
I couldn't even find this post till you told me the post number, that's how hard it was for me to notice. There is nothing the same about those two posts, ones a simple line, and the other is trying to make a joke
For jumping a second vote on a town player before that player entered the thread.
I couldn't even find this post till you told me the post number, that's how hard it was for me to notice. There is nothing the same about those two posts, ones a simple line, and the other is trying to make a joke
I feel like I am watching someone talk to themselves
also I don't feel like answering anything in the morning after just waking up, so I'll be back after work
@Crossbell
I swear if you are the person I think you are, I will be disappointed, but I am going to pretend you are who I think you are, so I can properly read your posting style
Fake crossbell is definitely more natural than real crossbell at this point
Can you elaborate a bit more on how you have a solid scumread on Axel without having engaged with them once so far?
I've seen a lot of their games and talked with them some personally and am just feeling that they are awkward here, as I had explained. I feel like you aren't really taking my actual explanation into account in terms of my thoughts on Axelrod.
How do these two posts below affect your read on Axel?
I don't get a ton out of them. DV focused in on the very first sentence of my comment on Axelrod and clearly didn't think much about the rest. Lastwhisper is using a meta read, which is just spewing wine into the thread.
I did read your explanation, I'm just not buying it. You're not trying to figure out Axelrod through questions and discussion, you're using meta to justify your scumread. And then you dismiss Wisp's opinion on the basis that it's a meta read...? Unvote Vote: Crossbell
Yeah, I said that they are tonally awkward. It's a toneread. Axelrod hasn't been around to interact with.
For jumping a second vote on a town player before that player entered the thread.
I couldn't even find this post till you told me the post number, that's how hard it was for me to notice. There is nothing the same about those two posts, ones a simple line, and the other is trying to make a joke
Anyways Crossbell is trying way to hard to sort people off of really minor things IMO, it reads as scummy to me because its agenda driven when it is this weak, town shouldn't be pushing like this early on.
And scum wants the early attention that forcing a readlist in the first 100 posts gives... why?
To call my very casual defense of wisp as a "hard defense" is such a massive mischaracterization I don't see how it can come from a town mind. Confirm vote I feel comfortable with this.
Ehhhhh it's a defense. You're OMGUS voting for Wisp, essentially. It is what it is. You're reading too far into the word "hard".
Hey DV, I'd like to know why you think Crossbell potentially has inside info for what is obviously a reaction to Proph's play? That post is obviously "Proph is town [based on something unsaid as of yet] but you jumped straight to inside info/discrediting. What gives there?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
There's basically only one person it could be lmao
im gunna go cry in a corner
It's weird for you to be entirely reactive during RVS. It's not weird for you to not engage if you're mafia. I actually do think your push on me is a good look for you there if only you weren't wrong.
@Crossbell
I don't know, this is exactly how I expect Axelrod to start off as town, but then again, I have never seen an Axel wolf game
Are you very unsure of your scumreads then?
Sure, though you don't get to be scum with people who read you decently very often.
Why are you so worried? It's early and there's not much pressure on you lmao
I don't like being patronized, that's all
but its bound to happen in a game with limited player size though
so its w/e
I also have to keep checking which one you I am responding to, because you decided to be coy with your alt
Not trying to patronize you
I don't think that anyone is in this game heh
idk, I think you're taken seriously by everyone here
1. Why is fencesitting wolfy in itself? especially this early
2. Why does reacting to pressure, little or not, mean anything outside of context
anyways im going to sleep
also if you have experience with axelrod, I am curious why you think what he has done so far, isn't like null, to slightly townish
since I work better-off people, and not on my own due to my reactive behavior
I am going to spend time figuring out who you are lol, until more stuff happens
but again, I can't tell who I am responding to anymore, since you went and mimicked his old profile picture too
Idk, it's a way to act like you're doing stuff while not providing solid reads. Overreacting to pressure is usually a sign that one is more worried about pressure than solving which is wolfy lmao
Yeah, they just appear awkward, as if this game is somehow different for them than their recent games.
I'll post a general summation of where my head's at right now wrt this game and then sleep.
Anyways Crossbell is trying way to hard to sort people off of really minor things IMO, it reads as scummy to me because its agenda driven when it is this weak, town shouldn't be pushing like this early on.
To call my very casual defense of wisp as a "hard defense" is such a massive mischaracterization I don't see how it can come from a town mind. Confirm vote I feel comfortable with this.
Yeah makes sense.
Just to make sure, I want to see depth to your thoughts on Axel, DV, and Grape if you don't mind.
Ask me again in 24-48 hours.
It's nice to see you back lmao.
Like, I'm really feeling the energy.
Like everything is alignment indicative lmao.
I didn't post something Phoenix Wright based bc I thought that might be triggering lol.
What do you make of his most recent posts? Do you still have Wisp as a null read?
Do you think Wisp right now is engaged and relaxed? I think his posting has been quite clumsy and.. unconfident, for lack of a better term. He seems to be annoyed with both how I and Crossbell are treating him, which is understandable.
I don't understand this read.
1) What exactly are you mind-melding with DV about? Give specifics.
2) What do you mean exactly by "I think he is decent enough at pushing an agenda, but I don't think this is how he approaches it as a wolf"? D_V has shown a desire to see me and Crossbell dead - moreso Crossbell than me. How do you think he'd approach it as a wolf?
How did you notice Axel say "I'm town" while ignoring the fact that Crossbell did the same thing in post 11? I guess Axel's post is way more blatant, but it feels weird to me that you're townreading Axel for this small townsplain while scumreading Crossbell despite them also townsplaining.
I plan on putting a healthy amount of effort into this game - up to you to decide if I'll "blow you away" or not. Again, if you're scumreading me, I would like to see a vote on me. I generally do not react well to pressure, as I think (?) you know.
You know that I'm fairly capable of faking most of what I've done so far as a wolf. What makes you think I am town versus wolf me going through the motions?
I'm all for more discussion, but the wallpost feels intentionally played up - which is easily explained by the fact that the account holder behind the Crossbell alt is deliberately trying to emulate my posting style. Blegh.
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Still think Wisp is scum but that's my only real hard read right now. Everyone else is at various shades of null (or not posting).
It's entirely an energy read. I think if you were a wolf here, you'd be a bit less gung ho or carefree. You'd also not need to be sorting Wisp, and since at this point I'm pretty sure you know who I am...
Nah, the trying to draw blood from a stone with an early readwall is entirely me playing in a standard manner for me. (As either alignment.)
Tbh I'd just started to come around on the possibility that Wisp could be town.
Like I'm not going to start worldbuildling until we're down to two inactives, though.
Vote count:
Crossbell - 2 (Grapefruit21, D_V)
Axelrod - 2 (DOTArchon, Crossbell)
Cantripmancer - 1 (Axelrod)
LastWhisper - 1 (Prophylaxis)
Given you have the most amount of experience with him besides myself most likely, your read on him holds a fair amount of credence.
Will go more in-depth with my Wisp scumread explanation tomorrow. Could certainly be wrong, but Wisp is someone I'd like to sort out early regardless, since I'm probably the person who can work with him the best if he's town.
I think his start is definitely missing something, but he has been trying to tsundere the game like crazy, particularly at the start of games, and this seems like he's doing that. The point you made about the vote is a point against him, but the way he's responding to scumreads with frustration feels slightly townie. I brought him up to a townlean since I think he is legit confused by the two of us being in the thread, particularly once I started actually imitating you a bit more to see what came of it, and I'm not as sure that he would express it in the same way as mafia.
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@Crossbell
Your only interactions with Axelrod before your reads wall were:
A
And B
Can you elaborate a bit more on how you have a solid scumread on Axel without having engaged with them once so far?
How do these two posts below affect your read on Axel?
I've seen a lot of their games and talked with them some personally and am just feeling that they are awkward here, as I had explained. I feel like you aren't really taking my actual explanation into account in terms of my thoughts on Axelrod.
I don't get a ton out of them. DV focused in on the very first sentence of my comment on Axelrod and clearly didn't think much about the rest. Lastwhisper is using a meta read, which is just spewing wine into the thread.
Unvote
Vote: Crossbell
also I don't feel like answering anything in the morning after just waking up, so I'll be back after work
I swear if you are the person I think you are, I will be disappointed, but I am going to pretend you are who I think you are, so I can properly read your posting style
Fake crossbell is definitely more natural than real crossbell at this point
Will be back in a bit.
Yeah, I said that they are tonally awkward. It's a toneread. Axelrod hasn't been around to interact with.
It was an RVS vote.
And scum wants the early attention that forcing a readlist in the first 100 posts gives... why?
Ehhhhh it's a defense. You're OMGUS voting for Wisp, essentially. It is what it is. You're reading too far into the word "hard".