KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
DV/Killjoy/Grape
if anyone is interested
but like its literally impossible to remove Cantrip, there isn't anything specific that screams townie
Dota is easier because I can see his vote coming from town
DV/Killjoy/Grape
if anyone is interested
but like its literally impossible to remove Cantrip, there isn't anything specific that screams townie
Dota is easier because I can see his vote coming from town
The Power Nine gathered together, surrounding Ancestral Recall.
“Ancestral Recall, you have been found guilty by a jury of your peers. We hereby sentence you to be destroyed.”
Magic rippled throughout reality as Gentleman Johnny summoned his full power. The force could be felt across the entire multiverse, as though Dominia itself shuddered in fear. “You think you can kill me?! I’m one of the most powerful cards ever made! You won’t take me down without a fight!”
“Glad we’re on the same page. Get him!”
The battle waged for hours. Every single spell the Power Nine cast was unmade instantly by a counterspell; every creature, artifact, and enchantment bounced; every attack parried by a counterattack.
“How the hell do we kill him?!”
“I don’t know! Try anything until it works!”
Finally, as the sun began to set, Gentleman Johnny had accumulated 800 poison counters, allowing the other members of the Power Nine enough of a momentary distraction to strike. Gentleman Johnny was shot, stabbed, hung, stretched, disemboweled, drawn-and-quartered, and subsequently decapitated.
Everyone looked on in horror as Gentleman Johnny’s head laughed mockingly. With his final words, he uttered, “Death is but a door. Time is but a window. I’ll be back.”
At long last, Gentleman Johnny's head ceased moving.
“Oh hell no.”
“We can prevent that, right?”
“Oh yeah.”
You bury Ancestral Recall into the graveyard, then cast Cremate on him after first summoning eight Apostles of Purifying Light, just to be sure.
GENTLEMAN JOHNNY IS DEAD! HE WAS TOWN!
Moon rises on the first night. The Power Eight retreat, knowing that the battle has only just begun.
NIGHT HAS BEGUN! Please refrain from posting!
Day will begin in 48 hours, During this time, please let me know if you’re going to have any particular times during Wednesday or Thursday of next week you will be most active. I would like to try to arrange deadline so that everyone can be online if possible.
It was a dark and stormy night. The kind of night that leaves long shadows, that linger like the hollow feeling inside of your soul. The kind that leaves you talking in inner monologues about how much of a cesspool the city is and how hard-boiled it’s made you.
Mox Sapphire’s door was left wide open. The killers weren’t trying to hide their work. They left his broken body out in the middle of the room, for everyone to see.
They also created an apartment to put Mox Sapphire’s body in, as well as a city in which that apartment could be placed. The kind of city that was rotten, in which everyone knows something but no one ever talks. The kind of city that was totally devoid of color, everything completely monochromatic, and someone's always playing a mournful tune on a saxophone, somewhere, almost - but not quite - out of earshot.
“Well, they weren’t trying to be subtle, were they?”
“No, they're mocking us.”
“He was Disenchanted.”
“Aren’t we all in this city?”
"No, I mean he was literally Disenchanted.”
“And then Disenchanted again.”
“57 more times.”
“And then they summoned some Uktabi Orangutans, just to confirm the kill.”
Eyes turned to the trio of orangutans in the corner. One of them waved, sheepishly.
“Alright, let’s get out of here.”
“What do we do with the rest?”
“I presume they’re hungry. Give them some bananas. Then send them back from where they were summoned.”
“No, I meant this plane they created to kill D_V in.”
“Right. Destroy the city. It'll be his funeral pyre. Then let’s get back to the volcano plane. We have another vote to cast.”
We took one last look around the room where the murder took place, then left the city for good, silently, shaken to the core.
From the records of Karn:
And so it was that, on the dawn of the Second Day, the Power Nine laid waste to Ravnica. In the blink of an eye, the great city was returned to the void.
And thus began the casting of the Second Day’s Vote.
D_V is dead! He was TOWN.
Day will end on Thursday, July 15, 10 PM, EST.
With 7 alive, it is 4 to majority lynch.
Day on!
Also, bear with me, it's been a busy week. Will update the OP soon.
Some notes:
1. If you're going to to request deadline extension, please do so by PM.
2. Again, some of the rules in this game work a bit differently, so it can't hurt to reread them.
3. If you're having issues with timing out when logging in, after entering in the log-in information, just go to the main page. Don't wait to be redirected. Let me know either here or on Discord of any technical difficulties.
- I want to hear a LOT more from our PoE (DotA/Cantrip/KJ/Grape) Today. On top of just being on the lower end of postcount, 3/4s of this pile voted GJ and he flipped town, so I'm going to have to see a lot more solving and a lot more activity coming from them.
- Kinda want to hear from Axel why he popped in near EoD, said that GJ and him had very different definitions of "hemming and hawing", and left. Were you aware of the deadline?
I didn't reread because I thought I'd be dead but I'll try to kick it into overdrive Today.
I don't know how much I care to read into NKA at this point, since it will always be wifom to me, for the most part. But DV liked Grape for w/e reason, so I am going to give him a chance, since like most other people in this game, he had good and bad posts. I think his handling of EoD last phase, was abysmal, and felt like a frozen wolf. But as Proph pointed out, there are things like Axel, clearly being around to notice things, but then just dipping away anyways, which, I don't know how I feel about that.
Killjoy just has an iso of, "this is good for killjoy, but bad if its literally anyone else"
and we know for a fact, that he voted wrong, against me and Proph's wishes, and incorrectly called DV a wolf
that is two strikes
I'll start rereading tomorrow, but in the meantime would love to hear from everyone else in the game.
Also if anyone thinks I am scum after Day 1 then LOL.
that ship has sailed, I am giving you this game, from my standpoint, you have already won if you are a wolf here.
anyways, today is my day off, so I will be around once I wake up, and like Proph, I would love to hear from everyone.
in particular @Everyone
I would like to play a simple game
Given all the remaining players
tell me in one word, if you think they are a wolf or town, without saying anything else. I don't want an explanation, you can leave that for another post. I just want, town or wolf, mafia or villager, and no nulls.
Sorry I ghosted D1. My holiday weekend ended up going a day longer than I thought it would and I didn't have a chance to get in here before the Day was over.
I did some catching up during the Night but didn't really put my all into it and haven't quite finished D1. With another question mark eliminated, I'll go back and do some reading with intensity.
I also agree that night kill analysis is mostly WiFOM.
Playing on Forum of Lies was an interesting experience though, because they place a /lot/ of weight on analyzing why someone was killed - to mixed results.
And yeah I want to spent today just poking at the four-man PoE. Occam's razor says that is where our scum lie, and I think we bag a red body Today then I feel much better about our chances of winning the game.
I have also not read over night. So instead going to just talk through my EoD musings.
Proph felt pretty townie in terms of collaboration and energy but not enough to completely erase my doubts about him. The way the strength of his read on me went from 20 to 60 is a red flag but I have to give him credit he was assertive and strong which as DV pointed out doesn't match his scum meta. We'll see if he's able to sustain that energy I'm going to have to reevaluate, the Osie wall is still scummy but it's no longer the biggest thing he's done.
KJ's hammer is just one of those black boxes that I just can't evaluate. I can project anything into it and it's just not as indicative as I want it to be. I like his posting being in his own world just chasing his own leads and not worrying about the larger game state. Usually points to town!KJ.
Wisp had a super weird EoD. His progression on me was completely insrutable. Went from having me as untouchable and voting Proph to not wanting to vote Proph D1 because it would feel bad to be wrong, to completely sheeping Proph and being at my throat. Without showing his work. Wild swings are par for the course for Wisp. As is not showing work. But that was pretty abrupt even for him.
I just thought it was quite obvious towards the end of EoD that Proph and GJ were town, while 3/4 of you weren't playing the game. There wasn't much work to show outside, there general tone. Your EoD felt as if it was someone who was forced to play, rather than someone who was proactive. You not self preserving is not townie, its not even really wolfy, its just bad. I am trying to evaluate it, to be fair, it almost feels like you were hoping to die there
@Proph
Do u agree with DV that, Grape not self preserving is townie? I mean I see your answers to my game. But I am curious your opinion on the matter.
Proph felt pretty townie in terms of collaboration and energy but not enough to completely erase my doubts about him. The way the strength of his read on me went from 20 to 60 is a red flag
@Proph
Do u agree with DV that, Grape not self preserving is townie? I mean I see your answers to my game. But I am curious your opinion on the matter.
Well, Grape did self-preserve by voting GJ.
The thing that bothers me the most about Grape's EOD was that it felt flaccid. He just simply goes
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So you're on town!GJ now?
If that's the case I'm just dead here. No other options are viable.
Legacy time.
It just feels so abrupt and so emotionless. Plus I still have a hard time believing that he thinks I am scum. I'm trying to keep an open mind and not tunnel him here, but he's giving me so many mixed signals with his posts. That's why I'm hoping he will keep posting and hopefully if he's town I can get there on him.
Grape, when you get a chance can you re-link your last completed town and scum game? I've been on a bit of a mafia hiatus so I can't remember your meta very well.
Given all the remaining players
tell me in one word, if you think they are a wolf or town, without saying anything else. I don't want an explanation, you can leave that for another post. I just want, town or wolf, mafia or villager, and no nulls.
Proph: wolf
DoTA: wolf
Cantrip: wolf
Wisp: Town
Axelrod: town
KJ: Wolf
Have everyone but Wisp and Axel at slightly above random to be a wolf.
I just thought it was quite obvious towards the end of EoD that Proph and GJ were town, while 3/4 of you weren't playing the game. There wasn't much work to show outside, there general tone. Your EoD felt as if it was someone who was forced to play, rather than someone who was proactive. You not self preserving is not townie, its not even really wolfy, its just bad. I am trying to evaluate it, to be fair, it almost feels like you were hoping to die there
What are you talking about?
It's hard to be proactive when you come back 45 minutes before a deadline and everyone has decided you are scum for the proactive case you made before you left the night before. And I was never not self pres'ing. Just waiting till the last minute to try and get the CFD onto my preferred target. I announced my intention to vote GJ if I couldn't get votes on proph, was just waiting till 5 minutes before the deadline because with plurality voting Proph was only 1.5 votes away from the lead.
I don't mind you voting me for being a wet noodle who barely posts, that's just who I am, I do mind you completely misrepresenting me when I do post.
Dude im all for giving people the benefit of the doubt for real life, but I suspect that is going to be a continuing problem as the game goes on.
I'm not voting u for being a wet noodle. I weighed my odds, Proph and Cross were townie at EoD, and u felt like the typical frozen wolf, so I did what I thought was best, bury you. But DV loved the fact that you wouldn't self pres, while Killjoy has a hard on for voting against me.
(Phone. I won’t have a computer until this evening)
I totally blew it on the deadline. I thought I had another day. Yes I see now that Highroller literally announced we had like 50 minutes left two posts before my last, but I didn’t see it then. I was mentally in a “I still have 24 hours” headspace.
So, my bad there. I won’t claim I would have changed my position at the last minute, but I would have been around had I realized it.
I didn’t re-read anything during the night because I didn’t want to have wasted my time if I woke up dead today (recognizing that the chances of me living were dramatically improved by being incorrect on Osie/GJ). So, stuff starts this evening probably.
I may be able to check in via the phone during the day today when I’m not too busy, but going back and reviewing stuff is almost impossible.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
(Phone. I won’t have a computer until this evening)
I totally blew it on the deadline. I thought I had another day. Yes I see now that Highroller literally announced we had like 50 minutes left two posts before my last, but I didn’t see it then. I was mentally in a “I still have 24 hours” headspace.
So, my bad there. I won’t claim I would have changed my position at the last minute, but I would have been around had I realized it.
I didn’t re-read anything during the night because I didn’t want to have wasted my time if I woke up dead today (recognizing that the chances of me living were dramatically improved by being incorrect on Osie/GJ). So, stuff starts this evening probably.
I may be able to check in via the phone during the day today when I’m not too busy, but going back and reviewing stuff is almost impossible.
I'm quite sure highroller at least learned his lesson in regards to midnight timers lol
I will say without re-reading that, despite my questioning the strength of Proph’s Town read on Osie, the idea of going after him for being “too correct” gives me the heebie-jeebies, and I don’t think that will be happening today.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I'll start rereading tomorrow, but in the meantime would love to hear from everyone else in the game.
Also if anyone thinks I am scum after Day 1 then LOL.
that ship has sailed, I am giving you this game, from my standpoint, you have already won if you are a wolf here.
anyways, today is my day off, so I will be around once I wake up, and like Proph, I would love to hear from everyone.
in particular @Everyone
I would like to play a simple game
Given all the remaining players
tell me in one word, if you think they are a wolf or town, without saying anything else. I don't want an explanation, you can leave that for another post. I just want, town or wolf, mafia or villager, and no nulls.
I don't think I could leave so simple an answer for this.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@killjoy sure u can
we have 7 players left, and u have two choices for each player
I need to reexamine the GJ wagon first.
ok, but please answer before the end of day 2. I don't understand what analyzing his wagon will do. Especially since make up a lot of the information you can garner from it, because you hammered him.
Everyone there, spoke of their reason why they were there, very clearly. Well actually let me double check.
We have Grape who pretty much self-preserved, it was his original scum lean, which he backed off of after he realized it was Osie, which honestly as I have stated before, is weird if he is a wolf, its definitely one of the towniest things in his iso.
DV is dead, and town, who you flipped on with 0 explanation
Axel's vote and analysis here
[spoiler=Axel_Votes_Crossbell]
[quote from="Prophylaxis »" url="/forums/community-forums/mafia/822577-mafia-dominaria-style-the-power-nine-day-1?comment=88"]Not really sure why Wisp likes Axel for claiming to be town in his post 13, when Crossbell literally did a similar thing in post 11.
(townsplaining gets old real quick)
Already mentioned, but what I said and what Crossbell said were really different things, and said in different ways. I have a hard time seeing you draw this parallel in your mind.
And then there was Crossbell's big review post. TLDR: I do not like this post.
Crossbell - Town. Relaxed and focused when present. Joking around a very small amount early on, but quickly sorting.
Feels slightly weird to me, joke notwithstanding. When I do these, I will often list myself at the top, but I don't think I've ever done a joke analysis of myself.
Prophylaxis - Townlean. I like their response to my existence and I like how they took things seriously even only 20ish posts in. Post #30 is a good look for them; I like the reasoning behind calling out Wisp and DV, and I agree that Wisp seemed to be stumbling early on. #39 is a good response to DV and Wisp. Pushing for more from both. I particularly like the last paragraph. My thanks for reminding me and Grapefruit to elaborate in #71. Post #77 is a good way to joke while pushing Wisp to do more. Their read on me is likely based on them thinking that I'm a mutual friend of ours, but it's not awful. Post #88 is a good callout. Townread.
And here I just disagree. The conclusion of Proph in post #30 and his vote for Wisp was on the basis that Wisp feels "incredibly clumsy" to him, and I don't see that. So when I see people agreeing with something I don't agree with, again the
Grapefruit21 - I generally don't like second votes in RVS but ehh, it's mostly NAI. The Wisp question is kinda random; sorta looks like busywork. The Proph question is okay. While I don't agree with the wording of Post #66, I think I like the flow/point of it overall? Post #69 just is unexplained. Out of nowhere. I like the thought process in Post #73 even though it's wrong. Mild Townlean.
I have a mild Town read on GF also, but I don't know why they even bring up the "second vote in RVS" thing only to dismiss it. This post reads more like a neutral read, with the calling the Wisp question "random," another Proph question "okay," and another post "unexplained," but ends with Town-lean based on liking the overall "flow/point" of another post (despite disagreeing with the wording) and then liking the "thought process" of a final post (even though it's wrong). All those qualifications really call this read into question for me.
Wisp - Comes in a little social, looking okay. But their first mechanical post is talking about death-tunneling Proph if Wisp is alive. Which, while jokey, is awkward and could be scum trying to derpclear. They responded jokingly to me prodding out about a possible slip with a stiffness and odd confidence I don't like. And then they have a strange follow-up of semi-politely approaching me as if they want to me to talk to them but don't necessarily care about my answer since if I don't shift to a townread on them, they can just kill me. Wisp then discusses Proph as an authority on them. Post #29 feels like they're being cheeky to direct attention away from scumtells. And then they invalidate their only implied reads with Post #32. I agree wholeheartedly with Proph in #33, that Wisp is playing reactively. Post #35 feels like Wisp is trying to fall back on people not taking them seriously but that doesn't get to happen any more. #36 and #37 are stilted AF but that may just be #TooWispyToBeAWolf. Their responses in #55 and #56 ] to my posts are very handwavey. A slight wolfping there. Readlist is... very unexplained. Two hours later to expand on reads, and still doesn't really expand on some of them? Do not like at all. Despite my misgivings, I think I'm overall at very slightly above null right now mostly because #TooWispyToBeAWolf, but I want to see them get energetic for a bit.
This is another post where, like, everything they are saying about Wisp is bad. Everything seems to be reason for suspicion. But they end on "slightly above null" for no discernable reason at all. This is just not my town mind-set. If I'm town-leaning someone, I don't go on and on about the things I don't like about them. It's irrational.
Killjoy - Very slightly above null. #41 isn't bad, it just isn't enough. The focus on the Axel/DoTA potential world is not bad. Keeping an eye on that for later.
Killjoy had exactly 1 post with any game content in it to this point. Now, I also kind of liked that 1 post, but for apparently different reasons. Killjoy was NOT, as far as I can tell, floating an "Axel/DoTA are potential scum-buddies" theory. He was specifically saying that the fact I left Timetwister (DoTA) off my list of Blue cards to vote probably means we WOULDN'T be scum-buddies together. So, I don't even know what Crossbell is talking about here.
Cantripmancer - Hasn't posted because it's the weekend. Null.
Okay
DoTArchon - Asks Wisp a question for their first real bit of content. Okay. Hasn't really posted since. Null to slight scumlean.
/spoiler]
@Axel
I am curious why you keep saying how much you don't want to go down that Proph rabbit hole?
@Dota
would be the most informative flip for today
this is gross honestly, also plz give me this information, now that we know he is town.
then we gpt
I am tempted to end the day early and hammer you
which gives me a TWTBAW read, but i dont believe on those, especially since you have even less posts than the mod of this game
also its gross, again
you probably have the worst vote on Crossbell
but I think a lot of this problem comes from the fact that none of you ever do real time.
There is almost 0 real-time interactions in this game outside DV/Cross/Proph/Me
@killjoy sure u can
we have 7 players left, and u have two choices for each player
I need to reexamine the GJ wagon first.
ok, but please answer before the end of day 2. I don't understand what analyzing his wagon will do. Especially since make up a lot of the information you can garner from it, because you hammered him.
Everyone there, spoke of their reason why they were there, very clearly. Well actually let me double check.
We have Grape who pretty much self-preserved, it was his original scum lean, which he backed off of after he realized it was Osie, which honestly as I have stated before, is weird if he is a wolf, its definitely one of the towniest things in his iso.
DV is dead, and town, who you flipped on with 0 explanation
Axel's vote and analysis here
[quote from="Prophylaxis »" url="/forums/community-forums/mafia/822577-mafia-dominaria-style-the-power-nine-day-1?comment=88"]Not really sure why Wisp likes Axel for claiming to be town in his post 13, when Crossbell literally did a similar thing in post 11.
(townsplaining gets old real quick)
Already mentioned, but what I said and what Crossbell said were really different things, and said in different ways. I have a hard time seeing you draw this parallel in your mind.
And then there was Crossbell's big review post. TLDR: I do not like this post.
Crossbell - Town. Relaxed and focused when present. Joking around a very small amount early on, but quickly sorting.
Feels slightly weird to me, joke notwithstanding. When I do these, I will often list myself at the top, but I don't think I've ever done a joke analysis of myself.
Prophylaxis - Townlean. I like their response to my existence and I like how they took things seriously even only 20ish posts in. Post #30 is a good look for them; I like the reasoning behind calling out Wisp and DV, and I agree that Wisp seemed to be stumbling early on. #39 is a good response to DV and Wisp. Pushing for more from both. I particularly like the last paragraph. My thanks for reminding me and Grapefruit to elaborate in #71. Post #77 is a good way to joke while pushing Wisp to do more. Their read on me is likely based on them thinking that I'm a mutual friend of ours, but it's not awful. Post #88 is a good callout. Townread.
And here I just disagree. The conclusion of Proph in post #30 and his vote for Wisp was on the basis that Wisp feels "incredibly clumsy" to him, and I don't see that. So when I see people agreeing with something I don't agree with, again the
Grapefruit21 - I generally don't like second votes in RVS but ehh, it's mostly NAI. The Wisp question is kinda random; sorta looks like busywork. The Proph question is okay. While I don't agree with the wording of Post #66, I think I like the flow/point of it overall? Post #69 just is unexplained. Out of nowhere. I like the thought process in Post #73 even though it's wrong. Mild Townlean.
I have a mild Town read on GF also, but I don't know why they even bring up the "second vote in RVS" thing only to dismiss it. This post reads more like a neutral read, with the calling the Wisp question "random," another Proph question "okay," and another post "unexplained," but ends with Town-lean based on liking the overall "flow/point" of another post (despite disagreeing with the wording) and then liking the "thought process" of a final post (even though it's wrong). All those qualifications really call this read into question for me.
Wisp - Comes in a little social, looking okay. But their first mechanical post is talking about death-tunneling Proph if Wisp is alive. Which, while jokey, is awkward and could be scum trying to derpclear. They responded jokingly to me prodding out about a possible slip with a stiffness and odd confidence I don't like. And then they have a strange follow-up of semi-politely approaching me as if they want to me to talk to them but don't necessarily care about my answer since if I don't shift to a townread on them, they can just kill me. Wisp then discusses Proph as an authority on them. Post #29 feels like they're being cheeky to direct attention away from scumtells. And then they invalidate their only implied reads with Post #32. I agree wholeheartedly with Proph in #33, that Wisp is playing reactively. Post #35 feels like Wisp is trying to fall back on people not taking them seriously but that doesn't get to happen any more. #36 and #37 are stilted AF but that may just be #TooWispyToBeAWolf. Their responses in #55 and #56 ] to my posts are very handwavey. A slight wolfping there. Readlist is... very unexplained. Two hours later to expand on reads, and still doesn't really expand on some of them? Do not like at all. Despite my misgivings, I think I'm overall at very slightly above null right now mostly because #TooWispyToBeAWolf, but I want to see them get energetic for a bit.
This is another post where, like, everything they are saying about Wisp is bad. Everything seems to be reason for suspicion. But they end on "slightly above null" for no discernable reason at all. This is just not my town mind-set. If I'm town-leaning someone, I don't go on and on about the things I don't like about them. It's irrational.
Killjoy - Very slightly above null. #41 isn't bad, it just isn't enough. The focus on the Axel/DoTA potential world is not bad. Keeping an eye on that for later.
Killjoy had exactly 1 post with any game content in it to this point. Now, I also kind of liked that 1 post, but for apparently different reasons. Killjoy was NOT, as far as I can tell, floating an "Axel/DoTA are potential scum-buddies" theory. He was specifically saying that the fact I left Timetwister (DoTA) off my list of Blue cards to vote probably means we WOULDN'T be scum-buddies together. So, I don't even know what Crossbell is talking about here.
Cantripmancer - Hasn't posted because it's the weekend. Null.
Okay
DoTArchon - Asks Wisp a question for their first real bit of content. Okay. Hasn't really posted since. Null to slight scumlean.
@Axel
I am curious why you keep saying how much you don't want to go down that Proph rabbit hole?
@Dota
would be the most informative flip for today
this is gross honestly, also plz give me this information, now that we know he is town.
then we gpt
I am tempted to end the day early and hammer you
which gives me a TWTBAW read, but i dont believe on those, especially since you have even less posts than the mod of this game
also its gross, again
you probably have the worst vote on Crossbell
but I think a lot of this problem comes from the fact that none of you ever do real time.
There is almost 0 real-time interactions in this game outside DV/Cross/Proph/Me
you probably have the worst vote on Crossbell
but I think a lot of this problem comes from the fact that none of you ever do real time.
There is almost 0 real-time interactions in this game outside DV/Cross/Proph/Me
I've talked about this before and it's beside the point of anything but this is a huge part of why our community hasn't adapted well to Champs games or playing elsewhere always. We have a lot of people who don't care about real time interaction at all and prefer to play a style similar to correspondence chess. Then we have the people who have adapted to a modern style and well the two styles don't mix well.
Anyway I went back and checked and I was less active for the first half of my deadline time than I realized. Still doesn't match Wisp's argument that I wasn't proactive but I can at least understand frozen wolf. If anything I was too focused on doing my own thing and pushing Proph when I should have realized the momentum wasn't there at all. I just posted less early on than I thought.
@Axelrod why would pushing over being too correct give you the heebie jeebies? Isn't that the basis of a lot of mafia tells based on TMI?
you probably have the worst vote on Crossbell
but I think a lot of this problem comes from the fact that none of you ever do real time.
There is almost 0 real-time interactions in this game outside DV/Cross/Proph/Me
I've talked about this before and it's beside the point of anything but this is a huge part of why our community hasn't adapted well to Champs games or playing elsewhere always. We have a lot of people who don't care about real time interaction at all and prefer to play a style similar to correspondence chess. Then we have the people who have adapted to a modern style and well the two styles don't mix well.
Anyway I went back and checked and I was less active for the first half of my deadline time than I realized. Still doesn't match Wisp's argument that I wasn't proactive but I can at least understand frozen wolf. If anything I was too focused on doing my own thing and pushing Proph when I should have realized the momentum wasn't there at all. I just posted less early on than I thought.
@Axelrod why would pushing over being too correct give you the heebie jeebies? Isn't that the basis of a lot of mafia tells based on TMI?
this point was towards Dota, not you? no idea why u quoted that half of my post. And sure I can understand this community style, which is maybe why I play so differently around real time, which is why I can adapt to emotions and tone so differently, while you all stay strong on your convictions based on your "tells", and "reasonings"
I would have honestly killed either your or Killjoy, but you had that frozen wolf posting style that stuck out to me, and if not for DV thinking you were town, and me for once trying to listen to dead townies, I would be voting for you.
My argument is my own, you weren't active in my opinion, this site, makes a case, votes, and there is no time to work around it. Which is why its so easy for wolves to just make one big wall on why someone is a wolf, and just skate to victory. Anyways that is irrelevant, cause you were pretty damn active in the MU game. So are u just playing different cause ur playing to the longer day phases? or what?
if you don't think I am trying to figure out this game, you are either reading a completely different game, and/or being malicious. I'd take Killjoy hedging on me at this point, to be townier than you hedging on me.
I'm torn but yeah. His EoD is good but everything before it is howling.
And I'm not hedging on you anymore. I thought I was more active than I was. I can see how you reached frozen wolf now which is wrong but at least not insane anymore.
And if you think I'm scum vote for me. You don't have to not pursue other avenues while you're voting me. It makes for easier wagon analysis down the line.
I'm torn but yeah. His EoD is good but everything before it is howling.
And I'm not hedging on you anymore. I thought I was more active than I was. I can see how you reached frozen wolf now which is wrong but at least not insane anymore.
And if you think I'm scum vote for me. You don't have to not pursue other avenues while you're voting me. It makes for easier wagon analysis down the line.
nah I think u can be town still for reasons that are relevant to what DV thinks makes u town. I might have gotten a bit spastic at EoD like usual, which leads to some aggressive less analytical play, but I still was way more certain that GJ was town by the end of Day 1, then you were. So I was playing to what I thought was better for me, so maybe I am just as selfish as I accuse others of being lol
I'm torn but yeah. His EoD is good but everything before it is howling.
And I'm not hedging on you anymore. I thought I was more active than I was. I can see how you reached frozen wolf now which is wrong but at least not insane anymore.
And if you think I'm scum vote for me. You don't have to not pursue other avenues while you're voting me. It makes for easier wagon analysis down the line.
nah I think u can be town still for reasons that are not* relevant to what DV thinks makes u town. I might have gotten a bit spastic at EoD like usual, which leads to some aggressive less analytical play, but I still was way more certain that GJ was town by the end of Day 1, then you were. So I was playing to what I thought was better for me, so maybe I am just as selfish as I accuse others of being lol
@Axelrod why would pushing over being too correct give you the heebie jeebies? Isn't that the basis of a lot of mafia tells based on TMI?
It gives me heebie-jeebies because I feel like that's how we just lose, going after someone who was right on the basis that I don't think they should/could have made that read. That's almost a vanity position. Like, I can get suspicious of someone for expressing a read I don't think they should have such a basis for (and I'm not - at this moment - swearing on a Bible that I won't go down this path at some point), but this is not where we should be leading off the day. I am going to re-read a bunch of other stuff first.
Now, of course, the new set has dropped on MTGO/Arena and I just want to play it, so that's currently distracting me. But I won't be ignoring this game.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I will say that I am having second thoughts on Grape being scum based on his posts today, and I do like Axel's stated reasoning regarding his paranoia of me.
I want to focus on the people who aren't here. Cantrip, DoTA, killjoy. If I fired a triple barreled gun right now, we would probably win or be in xylo.
Think you dying tonight. You or Axel.
Cause Mafia ain't shooting me or Wisp
I left my legacy and my reasoning so shrugze
if anyone is interested
but like its literally impossible to remove Cantrip, there isn't anything specific that screams townie
Dota is easier because I can see his vote coming from town
Cantrip, could go either way as well though.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
“Ancestral Recall, you have been found guilty by a jury of your peers. We hereby sentence you to be destroyed.”
Magic rippled throughout reality as Gentleman Johnny summoned his full power. The force could be felt across the entire multiverse, as though Dominia itself shuddered in fear. “You think you can kill me?! I’m one of the most powerful cards ever made! You won’t take me down without a fight!”
“Glad we’re on the same page. Get him!”
The battle waged for hours. Every single spell the Power Nine cast was unmade instantly by a counterspell; every creature, artifact, and enchantment bounced; every attack parried by a counterattack.
“How the hell do we kill him?!”
“I don’t know! Try anything until it works!”
Finally, as the sun began to set, Gentleman Johnny had accumulated 800 poison counters, allowing the other members of the Power Nine enough of a momentary distraction to strike. Gentleman Johnny was shot, stabbed, hung, stretched, disemboweled, drawn-and-quartered, and subsequently decapitated.
Everyone looked on in horror as Gentleman Johnny’s head laughed mockingly. With his final words, he uttered, “Death is but a door. Time is but a window. I’ll be back.”
At long last, Gentleman Johnny's head ceased moving.
“Oh hell no.”
“We can prevent that, right?”
“Oh yeah.”
You bury Ancestral Recall into the graveyard, then cast Cremate on him after first summoning eight Apostles of Purifying Light, just to be sure.
GENTLEMAN JOHNNY IS DEAD! HE WAS TOWN!
Moon rises on the first night. The Power Eight retreat, knowing that the battle has only just begun.
NIGHT HAS BEGUN! Please refrain from posting!
Day will begin in 48 hours, During this time, please let me know if you’re going to have any particular times during Wednesday or Thursday of next week you will be most active. I would like to try to arrange deadline so that everyone can be online if possible.
Mox Sapphire’s door was left wide open. The killers weren’t trying to hide their work. They left his broken body out in the middle of the room, for everyone to see.
They also created an apartment to put Mox Sapphire’s body in, as well as a city in which that apartment could be placed. The kind of city that was rotten, in which everyone knows something but no one ever talks. The kind of city that was totally devoid of color, everything completely monochromatic, and someone's always playing a mournful tune on a saxophone, somewhere, almost - but not quite - out of earshot.
“Well, they weren’t trying to be subtle, were they?”
“No, they're mocking us.”
“He was Disenchanted.”
“Aren’t we all in this city?”
"No, I mean he was literally Disenchanted.”
“And then Disenchanted again.”
“57 more times.”
“And then they summoned some Uktabi Orangutans, just to confirm the kill.”
Eyes turned to the trio of orangutans in the corner. One of them waved, sheepishly.
“Alright, let’s get out of here.”
“What do we do with the rest?”
“I presume they’re hungry. Give them some bananas. Then send them back from where they were summoned.”
“No, I meant this plane they created to kill D_V in.”
“Right. Destroy the city. It'll be his funeral pyre. Then let’s get back to the volcano plane. We have another vote to cast.”
We took one last look around the room where the murder took place, then left the city for good, silently, shaken to the core.
D_V is dead! He was TOWN.
Day will end on Thursday, July 15, 10 PM, EST.
With 7 alive, it is 4 to majority lynch.
Day on!
Also, bear with me, it's been a busy week. Will update the OP soon.
Some notes:
1. If you're going to to request deadline extension, please do so by PM.
2. Again, some of the rules in this game work a bit differently, so it can't hurt to reread them.
3. If you're having issues with timing out when logging in, after entering in the log-in information, just go to the main page. Don't wait to be redirected. Let me know either here or on Discord of any technical difficulties.
Grapefruit21 - 3 (Prophylaxis, LastWhisper, GJ)
Prophylaxis - 1 (Cantripmancer)
Pretty intriguing that the mafia decided to hit within the GJ wagon.
These are his legacy reads.
- I want to hear a LOT more from our PoE (DotA/Cantrip/KJ/Grape) Today. On top of just being on the lower end of postcount, 3/4s of this pile voted GJ and he flipped town, so I'm going to have to see a lot more solving and a lot more activity coming from them.
- Kinda want to hear from Axel why he popped in near EoD, said that GJ and him had very different definitions of "hemming and hawing", and left. Were you aware of the deadline?
I didn't reread because I thought I'd be dead but I'll try to kick it into overdrive Today.
Also if anyone thinks I am scum after Day 1 then LOL.
Killjoy just has an iso of, "this is good for killjoy, but bad if its literally anyone else"
and we know for a fact, that he voted wrong, against me and Proph's wishes, and incorrectly called DV a wolf
that is two strikes
anyways, today is my day off, so I will be around once I wake up, and like Proph, I would love to hear from everyone.
in particular @Everyone
I would like to play a simple game
Given all the remaining players
tell me in one word, if you think they are a wolf or town, without saying anything else. I don't want an explanation, you can leave that for another post. I just want, town or wolf, mafia or villager, and no nulls.
I did some catching up during the Night but didn't really put my all into it and haven't quite finished D1. With another question mark eliminated, I'll go back and do some reading with intensity.
Playing on Forum of Lies was an interesting experience though, because they place a /lot/ of weight on analyzing why someone was killed - to mixed results.
And yeah I want to spent today just poking at the four-man PoE. Occam's razor says that is where our scum lie, and I think we bag a red body Today then I feel much better about our chances of winning the game.
Proph felt pretty townie in terms of collaboration and energy but not enough to completely erase my doubts about him. The way the strength of his read on me went from 20 to 60 is a red flag but I have to give him credit he was assertive and strong which as DV pointed out doesn't match his scum meta. We'll see if he's able to sustain that energy I'm going to have to reevaluate, the Osie wall is still scummy but it's no longer the biggest thing he's done.
KJ's hammer is just one of those black boxes that I just can't evaluate. I can project anything into it and it's just not as indicative as I want it to be. I like his posting being in his own world just chasing his own leads and not worrying about the larger game state. Usually points to town!KJ.
Wisp had a super weird EoD. His progression on me was completely insrutable. Went from having me as untouchable and voting Proph to not wanting to vote Proph D1 because it would feel bad to be wrong, to completely sheeping Proph and being at my throat. Without showing his work. Wild swings are par for the course for Wisp. As is not showing work. But that was pretty abrupt even for him.
I'm kinda still stuck with the same reads as Yesterday given that I didn't reread.
DoTA - villa
Cantrip - villa
Wisp - villa
Axelrod - villa
Grapefruit - wolf
KJ - wolf
Do u agree with DV that, Grape not self preserving is townie? I mean I see your answers to my game. But I am curious your opinion on the matter.
The thing that bothers me the most about Grape's EOD was that it felt flaccid. He just simply goes
It just feels so abrupt and so emotionless. Plus I still have a hard time believing that he thinks I am scum. I'm trying to keep an open mind and not tunnel him here, but he's giving me so many mixed signals with his posts. That's why I'm hoping he will keep posting and hopefully if he's town I can get there on him.
Proph: wolf
DoTA: wolf
Cantrip: wolf
Wisp: Town
Axelrod: town
KJ: Wolf
Have everyone but Wisp and Axel at slightly above random to be a wolf.
It's hard to be proactive when you come back 45 minutes before a deadline and everyone has decided you are scum for the proactive case you made before you left the night before. And I was never not self pres'ing. Just waiting till the last minute to try and get the CFD onto my preferred target. I announced my intention to vote GJ if I couldn't get votes on proph, was just waiting till 5 minutes before the deadline because with plurality voting Proph was only 1.5 votes away from the lead.
I don't mind you voting me for being a wet noodle who barely posts, that's just who I am, I do mind you completely misrepresenting me when I do post.
I'm not voting u for being a wet noodle. I weighed my odds, Proph and Cross were townie at EoD, and u felt like the typical frozen wolf, so I did what I thought was best, bury you. But DV loved the fact that you wouldn't self pres, while Killjoy has a hard on for voting against me.
I totally blew it on the deadline. I thought I had another day. Yes I see now that Highroller literally announced we had like 50 minutes left two posts before my last, but I didn’t see it then. I was mentally in a “I still have 24 hours” headspace.
So, my bad there. I won’t claim I would have changed my position at the last minute, but I would have been around had I realized it.
I didn’t re-read anything during the night because I didn’t want to have wasted my time if I woke up dead today (recognizing that the chances of me living were dramatically improved by being incorrect on Osie/GJ). So, stuff starts this evening probably.
I may be able to check in via the phone during the day today when I’m not too busy, but going back and reviewing stuff is almost impossible.
Looking forward to your thoughts when you eventually catch up.
Anyways, gonna start the rereading process today and will point out things I find.
we have 7 players left, and u have two choices for each player
I understand you're in a different timezone than most of us, but you need to amp up the content ASAP.
Everyone there, spoke of their reason why they were there, very clearly. Well actually let me double check.
We have Grape who pretty much self-preserved, it was his original scum lean, which he backed off of after he realized it was Osie, which honestly as I have stated before, is weird if he is a wolf, its definitely one of the towniest things in his iso.
DV is dead, and town, who you flipped on with 0 explanation
Axel's vote and analysis here
[spoiler=Axel_Votes_Crossbell] Already mentioned, but what I said and what Crossbell said were really different things, and said in different ways. I have a hard time seeing you draw this parallel in your mind.
And then there was Crossbell's big review post. TLDR: I do not like this post.
Here's the piece by piece:
Feels slightly weird to me, joke notwithstanding. When I do these, I will often list myself at the top, but I don't think I've ever done a joke analysis of myself.
And here I just disagree. The conclusion of Proph in post #30 and his vote for Wisp was on the basis that Wisp feels "incredibly clumsy" to him, and I don't see that. So when I see people agreeing with something I don't agree with, again the
I have a mild Town read on GF also, but I don't know why they even bring up the "second vote in RVS" thing only to dismiss it. This post reads more like a neutral read, with the calling the Wisp question "random," another Proph question "okay," and another post "unexplained," but ends with Town-lean based on liking the overall "flow/point" of another post (despite disagreeing with the wording) and then liking the "thought process" of a final post (even though it's wrong). All those qualifications really call this read into question for me.
This is another post where, like, everything they are saying about Wisp is bad. Everything seems to be reason for suspicion. But they end on "slightly above null" for no discernable reason at all. This is just not my town mind-set. If I'm town-leaning someone, I don't go on and on about the things I don't like about them. It's irrational.
Killjoy had exactly 1 post with any game content in it to this point. Now, I also kind of liked that 1 post, but for apparently different reasons. Killjoy was NOT, as far as I can tell, floating an "Axel/DoTA are potential scum-buddies" theory. He was specifically saying that the fact I left Timetwister (DoTA) off my list of Blue cards to vote probably means we WOULDN'T be scum-buddies together. So, I don't even know what Crossbell is talking about here.
Okay
/spoiler]
@Axel
I am curious why you keep saying how much you don't want to go down that Proph rabbit hole?
@Dota
this is gross honestly, also plz give me this information, now that we know he is town.
then we gpt
which gives me a TWTBAW read, but i dont believe on those, especially since you have even less posts than the mod of this game
also its gross, again
you probably have the worst vote on Crossbell
but I think a lot of this problem comes from the fact that none of you ever do real time.
There is almost 0 real-time interactions in this game outside DV/Cross/Proph/Me
Everyone there, spoke of their reason why they were there, very clearly. Well actually let me double check.
We have Grape who pretty much self-preserved, it was his original scum lean, which he backed off of after he realized it was Osie, which honestly as I have stated before, is weird if he is a wolf, its definitely one of the towniest things in his iso.
DV is dead, and town, who you flipped on with 0 explanation
Axel's vote and analysis here
And then there was Crossbell's big review post. TLDR: I do not like this post.
Here's the piece by piece:
Feels slightly weird to me, joke notwithstanding. When I do these, I will often list myself at the top, but I don't think I've ever done a joke analysis of myself.
And here I just disagree. The conclusion of Proph in post #30 and his vote for Wisp was on the basis that Wisp feels "incredibly clumsy" to him, and I don't see that. So when I see people agreeing with something I don't agree with, again the
I have a mild Town read on GF also, but I don't know why they even bring up the "second vote in RVS" thing only to dismiss it. This post reads more like a neutral read, with the calling the Wisp question "random," another Proph question "okay," and another post "unexplained," but ends with Town-lean based on liking the overall "flow/point" of another post (despite disagreeing with the wording) and then liking the "thought process" of a final post (even though it's wrong). All those qualifications really call this read into question for me.
This is another post where, like, everything they are saying about Wisp is bad. Everything seems to be reason for suspicion. But they end on "slightly above null" for no discernable reason at all. This is just not my town mind-set. If I'm town-leaning someone, I don't go on and on about the things I don't like about them. It's irrational.
Killjoy had exactly 1 post with any game content in it to this point. Now, I also kind of liked that 1 post, but for apparently different reasons. Killjoy was NOT, as far as I can tell, floating an "Axel/DoTA are potential scum-buddies" theory. He was specifically saying that the fact I left Timetwister (DoTA) off my list of Blue cards to vote probably means we WOULDN'T be scum-buddies together. So, I don't even know what Crossbell is talking about here.
Okay
@Axel
I am curious why you keep saying how much you don't want to go down that Proph rabbit hole?
@Dota
this is gross honestly, also plz give me this information, now that we know he is town.
then we gpt
which gives me a TWTBAW read, but i dont believe on those, especially since you have even less posts than the mod of this game
also its gross, again
you probably have the worst vote on Crossbell
but I think a lot of this problem comes from the fact that none of you ever do real time.
There is almost 0 real-time interactions in this game outside DV/Cross/Proph/Me
I've talked about this before and it's beside the point of anything but this is a huge part of why our community hasn't adapted well to Champs games or playing elsewhere always. We have a lot of people who don't care about real time interaction at all and prefer to play a style similar to correspondence chess. Then we have the people who have adapted to a modern style and well the two styles don't mix well.
Anyway I went back and checked and I was less active for the first half of my deadline time than I realized. Still doesn't match Wisp's argument that I wasn't proactive but I can at least understand frozen wolf. If anything I was too focused on doing my own thing and pushing Proph when I should have realized the momentum wasn't there at all. I just posted less early on than I thought.
@Axelrod why would pushing over being too correct give you the heebie jeebies? Isn't that the basis of a lot of mafia tells based on TMI?
I would have honestly killed either your or Killjoy, but you had that frozen wolf posting style that stuck out to me, and if not for DV thinking you were town, and me for once trying to listen to dead townies, I would be voting for you.
My argument is my own, you weren't active in my opinion, this site, makes a case, votes, and there is no time to work around it. Which is why its so easy for wolves to just make one big wall on why someone is a wolf, and just skate to victory. Anyways that is irrelevant, cause you were pretty damn active in the MU game. So are u just playing different cause ur playing to the longer day phases? or what?
if you don't think I am trying to figure out this game, you are either reading a completely different game, and/or being malicious. I'd take Killjoy hedging on me at this point, to be townier than you hedging on me.
do you still think Proph is a wolf?
I'm torn but yeah. His EoD is good but everything before it is howling.
And I'm not hedging on you anymore. I thought I was more active than I was. I can see how you reached frozen wolf now which is wrong but at least not insane anymore.
And if you think I'm scum vote for me. You don't have to not pursue other avenues while you're voting me. It makes for easier wagon analysis down the line.
Now, of course, the new set has dropped on MTGO/Arena and I just want to play it, so that's currently distracting me. But I won't be ignoring this game.
Grape, can you please link recently completed scum and town games again?
I want to focus on the people who aren't here. Cantrip, DoTA, killjoy. If I fired a triple barreled gun right now, we would probably win or be in xylo.