I'm gonna take a break but after doing the meta analysis I feel more comfortable with KJ wolf than I was previously.
TLDR:
He's capable of playing well as town. I could seriously bounce ideas and talk about the gamestate with him if I was talking to the same KJ from 80s Feel Good Mafia. But this KJ has just not made any real impact to the gamestate and his analysis feels shallow. In 80s Feel Good he was even ISOing Jack, comparing his previous games to this one, and concluded that he was different than his earlier towngames. He's active and probing - he voted Eco in that game to figure out his alignment and also voted Rhand who ended up flipping scum. He also did a bunch of analysis after the Rhand flip to figure out who the mafia was. I don't see that KJ in this game.
That's not a fair analysis Proph. Both of those games I got sufficiently involved in, as both town or scum. I admit I haven't done much this game, but that's not alignment indicative, it's effort indicative. I just haven't gotten involved in this game like I had in those two.
Working on changing that now (in the 11th hour of the possibly last day)
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
What IS a "fair" way of analysing you then? I've done multiple ISOs of you on Days 2 and 3 and just finished the full meta dive. If you're town it is really hard for me to see it, especially after seeing how you knocked 80s out of the park.
Definitely prefer this over Dota and I think I prefer it over Eco. Dota isn't buddied with Proph as I've said before. His reevaluation today doesn't mean as much because he's already been called out on it. As for Eco his heavy interactions with Proph don't strike me as W/W stuff. Feels like Eco is genuinely trying to figure Proph out despite having him as a town read. Time to actually read the walls and reply to stuff.
This post doesn't feel like Grape is trying to bus a buddy tbh.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I'm at work
Killjoy if this is your town game, it's gross, stop appealing to Proph, have enough self awareness to understand why he is where he is, and do something about it
I'm at work
Killjoy if this is your town game, it's gross, stop appealing to Proph, have enough self awareness to understand why he is where he is, and do something about it
I know exactly why he is where he is. See where I say I get that this game is horrible.
Your accusatory tone about things not game related continues to irk me.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Honestly if I was a day vig, I'd probably shoot Proph right now, and not even flinch lmao. Anyways I'm out of work, maybe I'll do something, maybe I won't. Being a micro might change how Crossbell plays, but it certainly isn't changing how I play
Not that it needs it, but this is very not Proph/Wisp team.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Reading Crossbell now and it's so many posts. My eyes just want to glaze over it. I have become a dinosaur.
Anyway I still have my same feelings about Crossbell's entrance. If I'm being generous some of the jaggedness could be coming from the roleplay, but it's spikey.
And the rainbow wall is still just rubbing me the wrong way. Like the read on me for example chooses to harp on the second vote when it seems obvious my vote was determined before the game by the cards. But then there does seem to be a reasonable thought process on reacting to my posts. Interestingly though is that it's very staccato. Could be a playstyle thing but each point about my posts is disconnected from the last. For example mentions my question to Wisp looks like busy work but then likes my explanation in #66 with some reservations. Or the emphasis on 69 being unexplained and abrupt before sort of liking my 73 where it's explained. It feels performative but I am not sure if I'm mistaking different style for scummy. To me it feels like busywork because I'd never do an ISO that way and I'd weave back to the earlier posts in my analysis and how the subsequent posts change my opinions of them. The only reason I might is if I was scum just trying to get something to stick to the wall and was writing up every post without thinking about it.
The words on DV have the same sort of staccato element to a lesser degree. But in fairness the read on Wisp is much more fluid.
So the whole thing just feels off to me just on a process level and that's before I get to the reads that just make me squint like the Axel suspicion, Dota getting scum leaned, and the content of the Wisp read which stands out in how hedgey it is compared to everything else.
The spamming with Wisp definitely does feel like an attempt to solve him. Like he clearly knows Wisp and irking Wisp and spamming with him is usually a reliable way to sort him so that's a town indication.
If Crossbell is Osie as people have speculated (I don't want to know the mystery is fun and I am truly awful at guessing Alts going 0'fer in the DLP/MU thing game) then the reads wall is much less of a red flag. 133. Well the reads part of it. I'd have to do a meta dive on Osie to see if the staccato part translates but I'm not going to do a meta dive based upon speculation that I don't really have an opinion on.
The Axel Meta analysis doesn't give me great vibes. It's very arbitrary with the 100 post cut off and fact that in particular 80s feelgood was similarly joking. I get that it was about the switch flipping to serious but it doesn't go into the context of the game at all. The comparison to Feel Good 80s in particular is pinging me. That game was so comparably jokey that I think it completely undermines their point. And I think Crossbell knows it too throwing my quote in at the end talking about how the joking is a character break. Definitely agenda vibes here.
The team sort in 155 is just incomprehensible to me. I have no clue how any Cantrip teams were eliminated at that point. Cantrip had 1 post at that point. 1.
I think this might be confirmation bias because I've been scum reading Cross through this ISO but the friendly meme'ing with Proph and DV feels like if not a pocket attempt and attempt to get in their good graces.
198 is sort of what I mean. It's a kind of pointless post other than to agree with Proph. He doesn't really use that distinction to push Wisp or Axel. He's pushing Axel but that is never really his point.
The pivot to Dota has a whiff of OMGUS to it. Not in the traditional sense of a knee jerk reaction but in a wanting to build a wagon over the vote. The move off Axel and onto Dota just feels off to me. I can't point to any specific post but the way they beg DV to go with them and then follow Proph instead after DV votes with Cross is just more of the appeasement I was getting at.
ISO done.
So major thoughts are the intial tone felt off but that improved throughout the game. Probably was mostly early Roleplay missing for me. The readswall and team sort are agenda'y red flags to me. As is the intial Axel push. Then the buddying up to Proph and DV just doesn't feel like town core building to me (given the different handling of Wisp for example).
Vote on Crossbell sticking and increasing in intensity.
The analysis doesn't mesh with the conclusion.
The entire post is hard scumreading Cross (or should be by tone and intensity), but the final conclusion seems like he's still building. I don't feel like this is a fair analysis of Cross from Grape.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
U all talking about not hammering yet, is irrelevant, we have no idea where grape is, or when he is coming back. And let's argue mafia chat is on discord or something where you can ping him, and he is a wolf, with me or anyone here. It doesn't mean he will read it any time soon if he busy. If me or Proph are wolves, and/or with Grape. The gamestate is already in our hands
U all talking about not hammering yet, is irrelevant, we have no idea where grape is, or when he is coming back. And let's argue mafia chat is on discord or something where you can ping him, and he is a wolf, with me or anyone here. It doesn't mean he will read it any time soon if he busy. If me or Proph are wolves, and/or with Grape. The gamestate is already in our hands
I'm... not sure what the point of this is? What are you responding to?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
U all talking about not hammering yet, is irrelevant, we have no idea where grape is, or when he is coming back. And let's argue mafia chat is on discord or something where you can ping him, and he is a wolf, with me or anyone here. It doesn't mean he will read it any time soon if he busy. If me or Proph are wolves, and/or with Grape. The gamestate is already in our hands
Exactly. If KJ isn't wolf then town has already lost because neither he nor I will be unvoting, it would just be a matter of time.
Not sure if/when Wisp will get off of work, but I am tentatively leaning towards
1) A Grape/Eco team
2) Executing Eco first, because he's scum in both KJ/Eco and Grape/Eco worlds, and I don't think Grape/KJ is a possibility.
3) I don't think Grape/KJ is a possibility because Grape voted KJ Yesterday in a way that did not feel like a bus. In addition, KJ kinda semi-shaded Grape at the beginning of the game with the "jumping a second vote on a town player before that player entered the thread" read.
It was mostly poking at Eco, less so you, somewhat at Proph, but I think Proph is just obvious town at this point. There is 0 chance he is able to do what he has been doing throughout Lylo, it's just impossible, like this is leagues above the mafia Proph I am used to.
My job is figuring out if one of you is town, and I'm still don't believe either of you deserve me doing ***** at work. Nor do either of you deserve me taking the time to re-evaluate your alignments anyways.
Though to be fair I am leaning towards Eco, but if eco is a wolf, and killjoy is somehow town, I can't imagine a world where he doesn't just vote me tomorrow anyways
Are you freaking serious? You'd choose to lose the game because Grape bussed KJ when KJ was dead in the water?
Your whole Grape read was based on him having a bad scum game, but now you're calling him mafia and assuming his scum game is still too bad to recognise a buddy going down.
if you're town I'll actually apologize to you postgame. but this game would have to be really weird for you to not be a wolf I think
I don't want a postgame apology, I want to win. Literally the only reason I "fit" the worlds is because Cantrip lurked D1 and because because KJ and GF didn't post enough to interact with. It's bollocks.
I can't believe you'd drop this on me just before I have to go to bed. Stupid 3am deadline.
Eco, i've been trending towards either KJ/you or you/Grape worlds the entirety Day. I've been pretty consistent on thinking it's you; it's just that I am switching up the order on who we are lunching first.
For jumping a second vote on a town player before that player entered the thread.
On a scale of RVS to Final 3 how serious is this vote?
Firmly RVS.
Actually, have you considered it seriously? This game size is 3/4 of the usual size. From a theory standpoint, is the second vote on a hypothetical town player in RVS actually be more significant than not?
Definitely prefer this over Dota and I think I prefer it over Eco. Dota isn't buddied with Proph as I've said before. His reevaluation today doesn't mean as much because he's already been called out on it. As for Eco his heavy interactions with Proph don't strike me as W/W stuff. Feels like Eco is genuinely trying to figure Proph out despite having him as a town read. Time to actually read the walls and reply to stuff.
These are the two posts that make me think that KJ/Grape are not it. First post is unnecessary shading from KJ that I don't think happens if they're buddies, and the second one doesn't /realllly/ read like a bus.
It being a consistent trend doesn't make it any less of a game-losing play. You really want to bet the game on early game shade that never went anywhere, and a bus vote when the DoTA execute was basically guaranteed? What was the point of all that ISO diving then?
Basically, you have to wait until KJ either clears or condemns himself.
He's been doing a pretty bloody good job of the latter in case you hadn't noticed. Like have you not noticed that he's only picked up posting while Grape has disappeared and ambient thread pressure says he might just be able to wriggle out of being voted off?
@DV
hey, if you think are right, do your thing
I will hammer anyone at EoD outside myself either way
actually that is lie, there are people I wouldn't vote Killjoy/Cantrip/Grape
killjoy is still too null
mayyyyyyyybe axel, but like I think his mannerisms are townie, and I am still holding a lot of weight on his entrance
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
TLDR:
He's capable of playing well as town. I could seriously bounce ideas and talk about the gamestate with him if I was talking to the same KJ from 80s Feel Good Mafia. But this KJ has just not made any real impact to the gamestate and his analysis feels shallow. In 80s Feel Good he was even ISOing Jack, comparing his previous games to this one, and concluded that he was different than his earlier towngames. He's active and probing - he voted Eco in that game to figure out his alignment and also voted Rhand who ended up flipping scum. He also did a bunch of analysis after the Rhand flip to figure out who the mafia was. I don't see that KJ in this game.
Working on changing that now (in the 11th hour of the possibly last day)
Like I said i'm rereading so maybe that'll help?
AAAAAA FK ME
Thinking emoji
My square pegs are slowly morphing into round holes
>_>
I need to bounce off this team theory with you
Killjoy if this is your town game, it's gross, stop appealing to Proph, have enough self awareness to understand why he is where he is, and do something about it
Your accusatory tone about things not game related continues to irk me.
But don't you think Wisp is scum??
The entire post is hard scumreading Cross (or should be by tone and intensity), but the final conclusion seems like he's still building. I don't feel like this is a fair analysis of Cross from Grape.
Tthe fact that LW and Grape haven't voted you for the win is probably a better indication.
Exactly. If KJ isn't wolf then town has already lost because neither he nor I will be unvoting, it would just be a matter of time.
1) A Grape/Eco team
2) Executing Eco first, because he's scum in both KJ/Eco and Grape/Eco worlds, and I don't think Grape/KJ is a possibility.
3) I don't think Grape/KJ is a possibility because Grape voted KJ Yesterday in a way that did not feel like a bus. In addition, KJ kinda semi-shaded Grape at the beginning of the game with the "jumping a second vote on a town player before that player entered the thread" read.
My job is figuring out if one of you is town, and I'm still don't believe either of you deserve me doing ***** at work. Nor do either of you deserve me taking the time to re-evaluate your alignments anyways.
9pm est, give or take 15-20mins to get home. Which leaves about 1 hour before end of day
I've stated my thoughts in thread
I hate giving a pass to KJ, but the game just makes more sense with eco/grape
Your whole Grape read was based on him having a bad scum game, but now you're calling him mafia and assuming his scum game is still too bad to recognise a buddy going down.
Come on!
if you're town I'll actually apologize to you postgame. but this game would have to be really weird for you to not be a wolf I think
we will see what happens in the next couple of hours
I don't want a postgame apology, I want to win. Literally the only reason I "fit" the worlds is because Cantrip lurked D1 and because because KJ and GF didn't post enough to interact with. It's bollocks.
I can't believe you'd drop this on me just before I have to go to bed. Stupid 3am deadline.
These are the two posts that make me think that KJ/Grape are not it. First post is unnecessary shading from KJ that I don't think happens if they're buddies, and the second one doesn't /realllly/ read like a bus.
He's been doing a pretty bloody good job of the latter in case you hadn't noticed. Like have you not noticed that he's only picked up posting while Grape has disappeared and ambient thread pressure says he might just be able to wriggle out of being voted off?
Man they both just appealing to you now lol
I still think Wisp is leaning town though.
I'm busy atm, still waiting for KJ to clear or condemn himself.