We got 3 people who play their own game in this topic
Grape, DV, and Osie to a lesser extent
so its somewhat useless to bother with trying to change their minds, until we get a dead body that either proves them right or makes them have to re-evaluate
Meh. I like usual have been trying to get others to play. I never really solo the game unless I feel there is no engagement from anyone. Part of why I think you, Cantrip, and Proph are town here is that you are engaging with other players in good faith.
on a more serious note, I really don't think its Osie anymore
but nobody cares what I think
and I'm also to fence-sitty to bother
as well as I can't explain things well anyways
on a more serious note, I really don't think its Osie anymore
but nobody cares what I think
and I'm also to fence-sitty to bother
as well as I can't explain things well anyways
This is my issue with anything from Cross/Osie all of them are vapid meaningless none explained posts.
really? feels more like people don't like their thought process, outside a few inconsistencies
Im gonna hide in my own corner, and just laugh if Cross is town, and be like I told you so, if he flips wolf
Can you quote me anything you think is well reasoned? Or valuable?
This is my issue with anything from Cross/Osie all of them are vapid meaningless none explained posts.
really? feels more like people don't like their thought process, outside a few inconsistencies
Im gonna hide in my own corner, and just laugh if Cross is town, and be like I told you so, if he flips wolf
This is really bizarre, Wisp. On the one hand, you are defending me and suggesting I am town. Then you follow it up with a sentence that suggests that you think I am mafia.
This is my issue with anything from Cross/Osie all of them are vapid meaningless none explained posts.
really? feels more like people don't like their thought process, outside a few inconsistencies
Im gonna hide in my own corner, and just laugh if Cross is town, and be like I told you so, if he flips wolf
This is really bizarre, Wisp. On the one hand, you are defending me and suggesting I am town. Then you follow it up with a sentence that suggests that you think I am mafia.
Which one is it?
there is nothing relevant about that line
but if truly want me to write out what that statement means
it means, I don't really know, I am torn between the things on a macro level that I've see, the things I hated on a micro level
as well as what others have brought up
and I do not want to spend my time trying to save or push you in the world that I am wrong in either direction.
If you think that statement makes me look weird, then knock yourself out
but this isn't the hill u want to die on while straddling the line of L1
This is my issue with anything from Cross/Osie all of them are vapid meaningless none explained posts.
really? feels more like people don't like their thought process, outside a few inconsistencies
Im gonna hide in my own corner, and just laugh if Cross is town, and be like I told you so, if he flips wolf
This is really bizarre, Wisp. On the one hand, you are defending me and suggesting I am town. Then you follow it up with a sentence that suggests that you think I am mafia.
Which one is it?
there is nothing relevant about that line
but if truly want me to write out what that statement means
it means, I don't really know, I am torn between the things on a macro level that I've see, the things I hated on a micro level
as well as what others have brought up
and I do not want to spend my time trying to save or push you in the world that I am wrong in either direction.
If you think that statement makes me look weird, then knock yourself out
but this isn't the hill u want to die on while straddling the line of L1
This is my issue with anything from Cross/Osie all of them are vapid meaningless none explained posts.
really? feels more like people don't like their thought process, outside a few inconsistencies
Im gonna hide in my own corner, and just laugh if Cross is town, and be like I told you so, if he flips wolf
Can you quote me anything you think is well reasoned? Or valuable?
look in a mirror, and I don't feel doing anything else that involves the Osie slot
"look in the morrior", is because I think even if my ability to write decent cases was good, anything I would say would be fruitless talking to you. So like if we kill Cross and he is a wolf, good job, if he flips town, /shrug
but this isn't the hill u want to die on while straddling the line of L1
Hammering me early without maximizing discussion time stifles town's ability to win.
I like your posts, just keeping healthy paranoia since as you've mentioned in every game ever whether or not I was in it, my read on you is always wrong. Part of why I've been trying to keep hearing from Proph on you from the get go.
but this isn't the hill u want to die on while straddling the line of L1
Hammering me early without maximizing discussion time stifles town's ability to win.
I like your posts, just keeping healthy paranoia since as you've mentioned in every game ever whether or not I was in it, my read on you is always wrong. Part of why I've been trying to keep hearing from Proph on you from the get go.
its a empty threat, I would never do it, I am not petty enough to hinder towns time to gather information. and given the players in this game, we are going to need a lot of time lol.
This is my issue with anything from Cross/Osie all of them are vapid meaningless none explained posts.
really? feels more like people don't like their thought process, outside a few inconsistencies
Im gonna hide in my own corner, and just laugh if Cross is town, and be like I told you so, if he flips wolf
Can you quote me anything you think is well reasoned? Or valuable?
look in a mirror, and I don't feel doing anything else that involves the Osie slot
"look in the morrior", is because I think even if my ability to write decent cases was good, anything I would say would be fruitless talking to you. So like if we kill Cross and he is a wolf, good job, if he flips town, /shrug
Wisp your entire point is that they are saying something valuable and people disagree with them. I'm asking what things they are saying is town.
Fundementally you need something that you see them posting that comes from a town mindset.
If you are not saying that you think they are town what are you trying to say? Why write that at all?
Why would I look in the mirror? Are you saying that you think my reasons are wrong? What reasons would those be then?
Don't say that I don't engage with you and then when I try and engage you go limp and say "nah". Cause that's on you.
Think the wolves plan this game is to discredit or mislunch one or both of us, and that is why I am suspicious of DV
outside you, I don't imagine many wolves planning things out
I think some just take what they can get, and if they can get a semi-decent enough reason to vote someone, they will
but if Osie is town, I can't imagine both wolves are off wagon
@DV
hey, if you think are right, do your thing
I will hammer anyone at EoD outside myself either way
actually that is lie, there are people I wouldn't vote
Killjoy/Cantrip/Grape
killjoy is still too null
mayyyyyyyybe axel, but like I think his mannerisms are townie, and I am still holding a lot of weight on his entrance
@DV
hey, if you think are right, do your thing
I will hammer anyone at EoD outside myself either way
actually that is lie, there are people I wouldn't vote
Killjoy/Cantrip/Grape
killjoy is still too null
mayyyyyyyybe axel, but like I think his mannerisms are townie, and I am still holding a lot of weight on his entrance
I'm actually really confused by this post.
You were just a while ago talking about how you felt that eliminating someone in the low posters was correct.
You've removed all of the low posters but Dota, and then also would vote Proph/Osie who you said you think may be town but people disagree with them?
Where did I say I wouldn't mind voting off the lower posters?
I would rather kill in the lower posters, as long as their is somewhat of a reason to do so
what is the problem here, you all live in your own world anyways, I want no part of it
ohh I misread that statement
so yes I would, because in the end, my feelings don't matter if I have to prevent a no-execute, which is more detrimental to the overall game state, than the possibility of losing town
@Proph
I would probably see myself voting Dota, as it stands at the moment
not that I necessarily have a read on KJ or Grape, but I think its correct to vote in the lower posters, then trying to figure out if consistent posters are being malicious
I can pull out reasons to like, as well as hate you, but that's mostly tone, and I know how much u hate tonal reads
the same goes for Crossbell, but on a macro level, the reasons to town lean him, heavily outweigh the reasons to wolf read him
I can also pull out reasons to like DV/Axel
which leaves a PoE of Cantrip/KJ/Grape/Dota
I am hoping I can lower that PoE more so as day 1 goes on
also I agree that we shouldn't be putting people to L2
but at the same time, its been stated several times that Cross is at L2, so any new vote isn't really "blissful ignorance", at this point
well actually he should be L3 now, since one of the voters was DV
I am curious to see how Dota re-evaluates Crossbell
You said right here you thought it was correct to vote in low posters.
@DV
hey, if you think are right, do your thing
I will hammer anyone at EoD outside myself either way
actually that is lie, there are people I wouldn't vote
Killjoy/Cantrip/Grape
killjoy is still too null
mayyyyyyyybe axel, but like I think his mannerisms are townie, and I am still holding a lot of weight on his entrance
what is the problem here, you all live in your own world anyways, I want no part of it
This train of thought kinda feels like you're trying to act like a newer player than you are. Whether it's scummy or not, I'm relatively uncertain, but I definitely don't like it one way or another.
Where did I say I wouldn't mind voting off the lower posters?
I would rather kill in the lower posters, as long as their is somewhat of a reason to do so
what is the problem here, you all live in your own world anyways, I want no part of it
What do you mean we all live in our own worlds?
This is a really strange attitude to have to me.
I'm asking you who you think is scum and your response is "Meh doesn't matter."
@DV
hey, if you think are right, do your thing
I will hammer anyone at EoD outside myself either way
actually that is lie, there are people I wouldn't vote
Killjoy/Cantrip/Grape
killjoy is still too null
mayyyyyyyybe axel, but like I think his mannerisms are townie, and I am still holding a lot of weight on his entrance
Why Grape?
Sigh I think he has been pretty god damn natural so far, but I did think a little that his wall on you, didn't match the conclusion of, "I am keeping my vote"
again, y'all do u
if you think I am a wolf, vote me?
I'm trying to handle my emotional investment as town for once
Osie/Proph/Dota
are the ones I believe have the most things that I can interpret as being wolfy
@osie
if I am acting, it's only to prevent myself from spazing out
So you joined the wagon with two of your scum reads?
But straight up where do you get the idea that WE are playing our own game?
You are the one playing your own game you're refusing to answer any questions at all. You are throwing out reads and then *****ing about other people not engaging you and then when we do you go "NAH".
yes I did
and I have explained my thoughts
I think if you remove all the inconsistencies from Osie's posts, he is extremely townie
and that says a lot, given how utterly garbage his posts were in his last wolf game
but since we are on that subject, let me go check that game out while I have time
Think the wolves plan this game is to discredit or mislunch one or both of us, and that is why I am suspicious of DV
Proph how many times have you been mislunched as town? I recall once, and you pretty much asked for it
I don't think DV is malicious in any way, I just dislike players when they focus on one side of a two sided coin
aka telling me why someone is a wolf while ignoring a large portion of their posts. That's the only problem I have with him
I think everything that has been stated on Crossbell has been accurate for the most part? so what exactly is happening here?
You town and wolves successfully created a scenario to vote off Osie, and me and you are the only ones that see the possibility of town!Cross?
Also I was the only real scum lean you came up with, every other vote and scum lean, just feels like filler? like they exist just to exist.
@Wisp - Can you talk to me about KJ and DoTA individually? What are your current thoughts on each of them in detail?
There is nothing to say about Killjoy, he is neither towny nor wolfy, and dota outside his entrance hasn't been the worst (but like if we kill in the lower posters, he is who I prefer)
Grapefruit has been pretty damn natural, like I said, the only quells I had were in his wall towards Osie, which felt like the conclusion didn't match the content, but given how he plays the game, its not at all as weird as I think it is, and I also just don't expect wolf!Grape to talk like that.
I feel like my question (in 265) was essentially what KJ asked in 267. Why did you give me this dismissive response while going into detail when responding to KJ?
I answered you in 266, then when KJ asked in 267 I read it as looking for a more in-depth explanation. My response to you wasn't meant to come across as dismissive, my apologies if it did.
I mean, nothing is ever that easy. But right not it really just seems like that. Kind of a lot.
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The one page an evening thing review isn't really keeping up with the thread very well. But I've been so tired this week, I just don't feel like doing more. I might start skipping around.
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@DoTArchon: I want you to zoom out a little. What are your thoughts on players in this game not named Killjoy, Crossbell, or Axelrod?
I'm sitting with a lot of null/slight town reads outside of those three.
Grape has been a town read for me since early in the game, I tunneled townGrape hard in the last game I played before I left (Friends and Enemies) and I might be biased in favour of a townGrape here, but I don't get scum vibes from his posts. I might not agree 100% with his read of you but I can see how he got there.
I've been struggling with Wisp since the early game, a lot of their posts feel like I'm reading a private conversation between you, CrOsie and Wisp. Their posts engaging with others outside of that grouping have been ok but since most of their posts are within that discussion I'm having a hard time getting a bearing on them. I'm sure I remember townWisp being a bit more volatile than they've been here but it's been three years since I last played Mafia and people change so I can't trust that as a meta read. Wisp is just below null for me at this point.
D_V is another player I've been townreading since early on, I played a few games with D_V during my time here and this feels more like townD_V than scumD_V, although like I said it's been three years so I can't trust meta. Feels like antagonistic town, pushing people to engage and not letting them handwave his questions away (as seen in his interactions with both Wisp and Osie)
Cantrip hasn't had a lot of posts, but every post has content and every post looks to be progressing his reads and the game state. He's trying to figure things out and asking relevant questions toward that end.
As for you Proph, I have a similar difficulty with you as with Wisp, as most of your posts have either been talking with the two of them, or with others about the two of them. I can't understand your solid towncore read of you/Wisp/Osie, but that is mostly because my top scumread is in there.
Looking over your ISO I'm having a paranoid moment thinking you and Osie could be scum together, deciding in scumchat to push for being top posters in the game by focusing on conversing with one another and Wisp,especially since Osie decided to emulate you. It seems like too easy a trap to fall into though, so I'm trying not to give too much thought to it.
I'm beginning to have doubts about my townread of KJ, I liked the early question he asked and the follow up on that, but he has more posts than I do and only 2 or 3 of those are content posts. The rest are just short answers to questions about old games or complaints about Curse (which we can all understand)
@DoTArchon: I want you to zoom out a little. What are your thoughts on players in this game not named Killjoy, Crossbell, or Axelrod?
As for you Proph, I have a similar difficulty with you as with Wisp, as most of your posts have either been talking with the two of them, or with others about the two of them. I can't understand your solid towncore read of you/Wisp/Osie, but that is mostly because my top scumread is in there.
I've liked your engagement with people outside of your towncore though, like this question to me. You're asking people to look beyond just one or two reads and to evaluate the game as a whole.
Looking over your ISO I'm having a paranoid moment thinking you and Osie could be scum together, deciding in scumchat to push for being top posters in the game by focusing on conversing with one another and Wisp,especially since Osie decided to emulate you. It seems like too easy a trap to fall into though, so I'm trying not to give too much thought to it.
I mean, nothing is ever that easy. But right not it really just seems like that. Kind of a lot.
I really don't think they can both be scum, they have spent the majority of their posts talking to each other and only each other for that to be the case IMO.
Re-reading DV's point-by-point response to Crossbell in #119, and...it's fine?
There's some irony here in that DV accuses Crossbell (who I kind of just want to call Osie from here on out, but not sure if I should) of being agenda driven in his analysis of players, but this post looks very agenda driven itself. He makes some of the same points I did, somewhat slightly differently.
121 and 122 stand out a little because here is Crossbell asking Proph to give him more (more "depth" to his thoughts on certain players) and Proph completely shrugging him off with (paraphrase) "I have no thoughts." Stands out to me because of how buddy-buddy they are. I would have thought that if Crossbell was really interested in Proph's thoughts, or in prodding him for reactions, or whatever to get a read, this should have prompted something more. But I don't think it ever did.
DoTA maybe makes a fair point in #139 when he observes that Crossbell doesn't really seem to be trying to engage with me (Axel) just making his case based on a feeling/toneread he has that my posts seem "awkward." Crossbell seems very quick to dismiss other opinions that do not seem to share that feeling though. And his explanation for not interacting with me more is that I haven't "been around." Of course, I've been here every day. And I do answer questions.
Anyways Crossbell is trying way to hard to sort people off of really minor things IMO, it reads as scummy to me because its agenda driven when it is this weak, town shouldn't be pushing like this early on.
And scum wants the early attention that forcing a readlist in the first 100 posts gives... why?
Except he seems to have answered his own question, just a few post earlier:
Preliminary thoughts are that the wall feels like it's trying to roleplay/emulate me, but I also find objectively speaking that posting a huge read wall when most players (Cantrip, KJ, DoTA, Axel) have not really sat down and played the game yet is.. not the best look?
I'm all for more discussion, but the wallpost feels intentionally played up - which is easily explained by the fact that the account holder behind the Crossbell alt is deliberately trying to emulate my posting style. Blegh.
Nah, the trying to draw blood from a stone with an early readwall is entirely me playing in a standard manner for me. (As either alignment.)
Can't really argue that your not scum because of something you explicitly said you would do as scum.
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Have you been promising to explain this strong read/feeling you have for a while now but not done it yet?
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Yes, I'll most likely do it sometime tonight or tomorrow.
If you ISO me I'm pretty sure you can find my scattered thoughts on Osie, but I'll try to explain my thought process more in-depth when I have some time to focus on this game.
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My sole townread at this point is Crossbell because 1) I think they're thinking about the game in a fairly nuanced fashion, 2) I think the early wagon on them was pushed in bad faith, and 3) sort by postcount become werewolf expert.
Yes, I'll most likely do it sometime tonight or tomorrow.
If you ISO me I'm pretty sure you can find my scattered thoughts on Osie, but I'll try to explain my thought process more in-depth when I have some time to focus on this game.
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My sole townread at this point is Crossbell because 1) I think they're thinking about the game in a fairly nuanced fashion, 2) I think the early wagon on them was pushed in bad faith, and 3) sort by postcount become werewolf expert.
it just feels weird that the grouping of you/Cross, seem to like each other, and everyone else has produced quells against both of you
1. I had wanted to offer player feedback as to the length of day because I've been in games - as both alignments - in which I've felt the day was too short, as well as days when I've felt the day was interminably long, and felt in both cases that the game suffered because of it. Therefore, I wanted a channel to get the player feedback as to make the game as fun as it can be.
I had assumed that this would be treated as OOC information. Apparently I was wrong. Apparently this has the potential for abuse. Live and learn.
So, in light of recent events, I'm going to ask that going forward, players PM me instead of posting things in the thread on this subject.
2. General reminder, don't bring OOC information into the game and try to use it in game. It's bad form, and it just makes the game less fun for no real gain.
3. If you believe that something I do may lend itself to a problem in game, I'm ok with you PMing me about it, or discussing it in the thread. Either is fine. However, do not say that a decision I've made has the potential to be a problem, and then immediately proceed to create the very problem you are saying might potentially arise.
I'm against the extension, don't see it serving a major purpose and I have plans this weekend.
DV is openly scumclaiming because the host didn't let him do it in scumchat.
Don't do this, basically.
I'm currently looking into the best solution for this matter. Thank you for your patience. I will make an announcement with regards to this, and what we're going to do with regards to day deadline, shortly.
1. Effective immediately, Crossbell has been replaced by Gentleman_Johnny. Thank you to Gentleman_Johnny for replacing in. I hope you enjoy the role of Ancestral Recall!
(As ever, be cool, the thread is not the place to discuss the circumstances surrounding the replacement, if you have any questions/comments/concerns, please PM me, you guys are vets, you've all experienced a replacement before. Moving on.)
2. Day is now set to end midnight, Tuesday, July 6, EST. To clarify, this is one hour after 11 PM, Monday, July 5 EST. So, day will be extended 73 hours.
Meh. I like usual have been trying to get others to play. I never really solo the game unless I feel there is no engagement from anyone. Part of why I think you, Cantrip, and Proph are town here is that you are engaging with other players in good faith.
but nobody cares what I think
and I'm also to fence-sitty to bother
as well as I can't explain things well anyways
Banana.
Can you quote me anything you think is well reasoned? Or valuable?
This is really bizarre, Wisp. On the one hand, you are defending me and suggesting I am town. Then you follow it up with a sentence that suggests that you think I am mafia.
Which one is it?
but if truly want me to write out what that statement means
it means, I don't really know, I am torn between the things on a macro level that I've see, the things I hated on a micro level
as well as what others have brought up
and I do not want to spend my time trying to save or push you in the world that I am wrong in either direction.
If you think that statement makes me look weird, then knock yourself out
but this isn't the hill u want to die on while straddling the line of L1
"look in the morrior", is because I think even if my ability to write decent cases was good, anything I would say would be fruitless talking to you. So like if we kill Cross and he is a wolf, good job, if he flips town, /shrug
Hammering me early without maximizing discussion time stifles town's ability to win.
I like your posts, just keeping healthy paranoia since as you've mentioned in every game ever whether or not I was in it, my read on you is always wrong. Part of why I've been trying to keep hearing from Proph on you from the get go.
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Wisp your entire point is that they are saying something valuable and people disagree with them. I'm asking what things they are saying is town.
Fundementally you need something that you see them posting that comes from a town mindset.
If you are not saying that you think they are town what are you trying to say? Why write that at all?
Why would I look in the mirror? Are you saying that you think my reasons are wrong? What reasons would those be then?
Don't say that I don't engage with you and then when I try and engage you go limp and say "nah". Cause that's on you.
hey, if you think are right, do your thing
I will hammer anyone at EoD outside myself either way
I think some just take what they can get, and if they can get a semi-decent enough reason to vote someone, they will
but if Osie is town, I can't imagine both wolves are off wagon
Killjoy/Cantrip/Grape
killjoy is still too null
mayyyyyyyybe axel, but like I think his mannerisms are townie, and I am still holding a lot of weight on his entrance
So you're not going to engage at all?
I'm actually really confused by this post.
You were just a while ago talking about how you felt that eliminating someone in the low posters was correct.
You've removed all of the low posters but Dota, and then also would vote Proph/Osie who you said you think may be town but people disagree with them?
Do I have this right?
I would rather kill in the lower posters, as long as their is somewhat of a reason to do so
what is the problem here, you all live in your own world anyways, I want no part of it
so yes I would, because in the end, my feelings don't matter if I have to prevent a no-execute, which is more detrimental to the overall game state, than the possibility of losing town
You said right here you thought it was correct to vote in low posters.
Why Grape?
This train of thought kinda feels like you're trying to act like a newer player than you are. Whether it's scummy or not, I'm relatively uncertain, but I definitely don't like it one way or another.
What do you mean we all live in our own worlds?
This is a really strange attitude to have to me.
I'm asking you who you think is scum and your response is "Meh doesn't matter."
Who do you think is scum wisp and why?
if you think I am a wolf, vote me?
I'm trying to handle my emotional investment as town for once
Osie/Proph/Dota
are the ones I believe have the most things that I can interpret as being wolfy
@osie
if I am acting, it's only to prevent myself from spazing out
So you joined the wagon with two of your scum reads?
But straight up where do you get the idea that WE are playing our own game?
You are the one playing your own game you're refusing to answer any questions at all. You are throwing out reads and then *****ing about other people not engaging you and then when we do you go "NAH".
and I have explained my thoughts
I think if you remove all the inconsistencies from Osie's posts, he is extremely townie
and that says a lot, given how utterly garbage his posts were in his last wolf game
but since we are on that subject, let me go check that game out while I have time
I am giving Proph a chance to tell us why not though
Unvote: Dota
@Highroller
the problem is I am rushing my reads, and getting lost in real-time interactions, which I've never been good at
anyways, Osie can die
I don't think DV is malicious in any way, I just dislike players when they focus on one side of a two sided coin
aka telling me why someone is a wolf while ignoring a large portion of their posts. That's the only problem I have with him
I think everything that has been stated on Crossbell has been accurate for the most part? so what exactly is happening here?
You town and wolves successfully created a scenario to vote off Osie, and me and you are the only ones that see the possibility of town!Cross?
Also I was the only real scum lean you came up with, every other vote and scum lean, just feels like filler? like they exist just to exist.There is nothing to say about Killjoy, he is neither towny nor wolfy, and dota outside his entrance hasn't been the worst (but like if we kill in the lower posters, he is who I prefer)
Grapefruit has been pretty damn natural, like I said, the only quells I had were in his wall towards Osie, which felt like the conclusion didn't match the content, but given how he plays the game, its not at all as weird as I think it is, and I also just don't expect wolf!Grape to talk like that.
I mean, nothing is ever that easy. But right not it really just seems like that. Kind of a lot.
Grape has been a town read for me since early in the game, I tunneled townGrape hard in the last game I played before I left (Friends and Enemies) and I might be biased in favour of a townGrape here, but I don't get scum vibes from his posts. I might not agree 100% with his read of you but I can see how he got there.
I've been struggling with Wisp since the early game, a lot of their posts feel like I'm reading a private conversation between you, CrOsie and Wisp. Their posts engaging with others outside of that grouping have been ok but since most of their posts are within that discussion I'm having a hard time getting a bearing on them. I'm sure I remember townWisp being a bit more volatile than they've been here but it's been three years since I last played Mafia and people change so I can't trust that as a meta read. Wisp is just below null for me at this point.
D_V is another player I've been townreading since early on, I played a few games with D_V during my time here and this feels more like townD_V than scumD_V, although like I said it's been three years so I can't trust meta. Feels like antagonistic town, pushing people to engage and not letting them handwave his questions away (as seen in his interactions with both Wisp and Osie)
Cantrip hasn't had a lot of posts, but every post has content and every post looks to be progressing his reads and the game state. He's trying to figure things out and asking relevant questions toward that end.
As for you Proph, I have a similar difficulty with you as with Wisp, as most of your posts have either been talking with the two of them, or with others about the two of them. I can't understand your solid towncore read of you/Wisp/Osie, but that is mostly because my top scumread is in there.
Looking over your ISO I'm having a paranoid moment thinking you and Osie could be scum together, deciding in scumchat to push for being top posters in the game by focusing on conversing with one another and Wisp,especially since Osie decided to emulate you. It seems like too easy a trap to fall into though, so I'm trying not to give too much thought to it.
I'm beginning to have doubts about my townread of KJ, I liked the early question he asked and the follow up on that, but he has more posts than I do and only 2 or 3 of those are content posts. The rest are just short answers to questions about old games or complaints about Curse (which we can all understand)
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Curse PremiumI don't think he is going to flip mafia though.
Plenty of times.
There's some irony here in that DV accuses Crossbell (who I kind of just want to call Osie from here on out, but not sure if I should) of being agenda driven in his analysis of players, but this post looks very agenda driven itself. He makes some of the same points I did, somewhat slightly differently.
121 and 122 stand out a little because here is Crossbell asking Proph to give him more (more "depth" to his thoughts on certain players) and Proph completely shrugging him off with (paraphrase) "I have no thoughts." Stands out to me because of how buddy-buddy they are. I would have thought that if Crossbell was really interested in Proph's thoughts, or in prodding him for reactions, or whatever to get a read, this should have prompted something more. But I don't think it ever did.
DoTA maybe makes a fair point in #139 when he observes that Crossbell doesn't really seem to be trying to engage with me (Axel) just making his case based on a feeling/toneread he has that my posts seem "awkward." Crossbell seems very quick to dismiss other opinions that do not seem to share that feeling though. And his explanation for not interacting with me more is that I haven't "been around." Of course, I've been here every day. And I do answer questions.
Then Crossbell says this:
Except he seems to have answered his own question, just a few post earlier:Can't really argue that your not scum because of something you explicitly said you would do as scum.
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Curse PremiumIf you ISO me I'm pretty sure you can find my scattered thoughts on Osie, but I'll try to explain my thought process more in-depth when I have some time to focus on this game.
so to get this straight, is there nothing you like about Osie's slot?
1. I had wanted to offer player feedback as to the length of day because I've been in games - as both alignments - in which I've felt the day was too short, as well as days when I've felt the day was interminably long, and felt in both cases that the game suffered because of it. Therefore, I wanted a channel to get the player feedback as to make the game as fun as it can be.
I had assumed that this would be treated as OOC information. Apparently I was wrong. Apparently this has the potential for abuse. Live and learn.
So, in light of recent events, I'm going to ask that going forward, players PM me instead of posting things in the thread on this subject.
2. General reminder, don't bring OOC information into the game and try to use it in game. It's bad form, and it just makes the game less fun for no real gain.
3. If you believe that something I do may lend itself to a problem in game, I'm ok with you PMing me about it, or discussing it in the thread. Either is fine. However, do not say that a decision I've made has the potential to be a problem, and then immediately proceed to create the very problem you are saying might potentially arise.
Don't do this, basically.
I'm currently looking into the best solution for this matter. Thank you for your patience. I will make an announcement with regards to this, and what we're going to do with regards to day deadline, shortly.
1. Effective immediately, Crossbell has been replaced by Gentleman_Johnny. Thank you to Gentleman_Johnny for replacing in. I hope you enjoy the role of Ancestral Recall!
(As ever, be cool, the thread is not the place to discuss the circumstances surrounding the replacement, if you have any questions/comments/concerns, please PM me, you guys are vets, you've all experienced a replacement before. Moving on.)
2. Day is now set to end midnight, Tuesday, July 6, EST. To clarify, this is one hour after 11 PM, Monday, July 5 EST. So, day will be extended 73 hours.
you are L1, and everyone wants your neck
I am a bit indifferent? I still hate your slot, but I am more reserved than most
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Gentleman Johnny - 4 (Grapefruit21, DOTArchon, Axelrod, D_V) - PLURALITY
Prophylaxis - 1 (Cantripmancer)
D_V - 1 (Prophylaxis)