Given that it's Fourth of July weekend, in addition to people having various scheduling issues, I was thinking about extending day 72 hours to 11 PM, Monday, EST.
To express your opinions on this matter, remember to bold text. Also, to make it easier for me, probably best to quote this post as well.
Would like to extend the deadline.
Someone should unvote Osie so that we don't accidentally hammer.
Quote from Lastwhisper »
Of course it's Osie, of course it is.
@Proph we have different definitions of LHF if u think Osie is that.
I would prefer not to be wrong on someone who is actually playing the game, but both Axel and DV have pointed out things not to like. And if this was town!Osie, I think he'd be more frustrated?
Like I said, everyone in the game has expressed indifference or suspicion on Osie's slot besides Cantrip and I. That qualifies as "low hanging fruit" to me.
I don't have a large body of experience with Osie but I don't /think/ this is his scum game?
Again, our definitions are different
that's like calling Azreal LHF where his town game go evaporated because of his playstyle in that one game recently
he was not LHF
Osie is not LHF
I do think that Osie is thinking critically enough, that the small amount of inconsistencies, should maybe be overlooked for at least day 1? but in the case of me, I'd probably just vote you anyways.
I don't really see myself voting in Cantrip/Grape/DV/Axel
which leaves what
you, Dota, KJ
and KJ hasn't done anything really wolfy or townie
Dota had that one forceful vote, but that's about it
and you, well, call it omgus, even though my read does encompass other thoughts, the fact that I got double teamed as town, by two different players, leaves a bad taste in my mouth
Osie re-evaluating me looks better, I don't what the hell your re-evaluation was
Also if you're scum and talked me out of me tunneling you, then well done.
I think this post (among others) would be.. a little harder to post/enter your brain as something worthy of posting if you were a wolf, while if you're town then this is a pretty natural thought to have.
Quote from Wisp »
man i dont want proph to be a wolf
his luck on this site would be so devastating if that was the case again
I wanna give him a chance
I hope I'm right lmao and I'm not about to get MEGA SNOWED
my wolf game is abysmal, so like IDK why u keep talking about being snowed
As previously mentioned, day is currently set to end on Friday, 11 PM EST.
Given that it's Fourth of July weekend, in addition to people having various scheduling issues, I was thinking about extending day 72 hours to 11 PM, Monday, EST.
To express your opinions on this matter, remember to bold text. Also, to make it easier for me, probably best to quote this post as well.
I would like to know what you all think, whether the answer be agreement, disagreement, agreement to day extension but disagreement as to the length, or just general ambivalence.
I'm personally fine with an extension, since my work schedule is insane for the rest of the week
I didn't get the chance to look at DoTA games yesterday; I'll try to do so this weekend.
Still pretty concerned with the gamestate bifurcation I mentioned in this post. It's just - am I the one in the wrong here, or is everyone else just wrong, and the wolves are taking advantage of it?
I do agree that there is likely at least one scum voting you, but unsure about two.
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I'm also not getting the memo about everyone townreading killjoy. Does he have recent scum/town games I can look back on?
@killjoy? I don't recall you randing scum recently.
Axel's no longer my strongest scumread, but the fact that the wagon pretty much matches up to my scumreads is telling. Killjoy is the other possibility IMO, maybe a bit more equity than Axel outside of Axel being useless.
Recognizes Osie is saying OMGUS, goes IDK man, but doesn't say anything more than that.
Except it's not just OMGUS. I've been very conscious about my play this game and paid attention to how I'm drawing people onto my wagon. You handwaving it as OMGUS is a strawman to defend yourself.
Osie re-evaluating me looks better, I don't what the hell your re-evaluation was
Did you want me to talk about my thought process behind this? I alluded to my approach a little earlier but I can go more in-depth if you'd like.
Quote from Wisp »
my wolf game is abysmal, so like IDK why u keep talking about being snowed
Because like I said - I genuinely do not know what your alignment is this time. Has wolf me ever pushed town you?
i think wolf u just does w/e he thinks he can do, so IDk
for what its worth, you have almost always just pocketed me, and told people evaluate me later, but like of course in a micro game, that evaluation process doesn't really work
Of course it's Osie, of course it is.
@Proph we have different definitions of LHF if u think Osie is that.
I would prefer not to be wrong on someone who is actually playing the game, but both Axel and DV have pointed out things not to like. And if this was town!Osie, I think he'd be more frustrated?
Of course it's Osie, of course it is.
@Proph we have different definitions of LHF if u think Osie is that.
I would prefer not to be wrong on someone who is actually playing the game, but both Axel and DV have pointed out things not to like. And if this was town!Osie, I think he'd be more frustrated?
Not if the game is going exactly as planned.
i mean I'm not going out my way to save you here, but I find it funny that as per usual you decided to evaluate me, which given that you did re-evaluate it, means your attentions to me, don't look like someone that was trying to push a mis-execute, but evaluate me early
Are you at all not worried about Proph, can you explain to me again why are confident enough to call him town here?
Osie re-evaluating me looks better, I don't what the hell your re-evaluation was
Did you want me to talk about my thought process behind this? I alluded to my approach a little earlier but I can go more in-depth if you'd like.
Quote from Wisp »
my wolf game is abysmal, so like IDK why u keep talking about being snowed
Because like I said - I genuinely do not know what your alignment is this time. Has wolf me ever pushed town you?
i think wolf u just does w/e he thinks he can do, so IDk
for what its worth, you have almost always just pocketed me, and told people evaluate me later, but like of course in a micro game, that evaluation process doesn't really work
but yes, explain to me your re-evaluation again
I'm not convinced that wolf Proph tries to defend me like he has tbh. Also... Grape and DoTA's votes seem agenda-driven. Axel's and DV's just look like sad OMGUS because I had them in POE.
Osie re-evaluating me looks better, I don't what the hell your re-evaluation was
Did you want me to talk about my thought process behind this? I alluded to my approach a little earlier but I can go more in-depth if you'd like.
Quote from Wisp »
my wolf game is abysmal, so like IDK why u keep talking about being snowed
Because like I said - I genuinely do not know what your alignment is this time. Has wolf me ever pushed town you?
i think wolf u just does w/e he thinks he can do, so IDk
for what its worth, you have almost always just pocketed me, and told people evaluate me later, but like of course in a micro game, that evaluation process doesn't really work
but yes, explain to me your re-evaluation again
I'm not convinced that wolf Proph tries to defend me like he has tbh. Also... Grape and DoTA's votes seem agenda-driven. Axel's and DV's just look like sad OMGUS because I had them in POE.
do know why u think the first sentence, but dota's vote has agenda vibes, and honestly if you look at Grape's original wall on you, it doesn't really seem to say much from what I recall, that makes you "so" bad, but he just states he is keeping the vote. so yes I can see both of these. My brain just doesn't really expect wolf!Grape to be able to talk like this. I imagine more timidness, but maybe I am misremembering
Of course it's Osie, of course it is.
@Proph we have different definitions of LHF if u think Osie is that.
I would prefer not to be wrong on someone who is actually playing the game, but both Axel and DV have pointed out things not to like. And if this was town!Osie, I think he'd be more frustrated?
Not if the game is going exactly as planned.
i mean I'm not going out my way to save you here, but I find it funny that as per usual you decided to evaluate me, which given that you did re-evaluate it, means your attentions to me, don't look like someone that was trying to push a mis-execute, but evaluate me early
Are you at all not worried about Proph, can you explain to me again why are confident enough to call him town here?
I think Proph is evaluating and reevaluating. I also don't feel that what he's been called out for has been very scummy? I townread him quickly mostly on tone, and I think he's lived up to that read.
As previously mentioned, day is currently set to end on Friday, 11 PM EST.
Given that it's Fourth of July weekend, in addition to people having various scheduling issues, I was thinking about extending day 72 hours to 11 PM, Monday, EST.
To express your opinions on this matter, remember to bold text. Also, to make it easier for me, probably best to quote this post as well.
I would like to know what you all think, whether the answer be agreement, disagreement, agreement to day extension but disagreement as to the length, or just general ambivalence.
As someone who has hosted a bit, I think that this should not be telling people to respond in the thread where their responses can be read into. That said, I work at the time of the current deadline so I would appreciate the extension. Also an extension would always help me out as I am town and want more discussion to occur. Intrinsically now, anybody who rejects the extension looks scummy which is a problem.
Osie re-evaluating me looks better, I don't what the hell your re-evaluation was
Did you want me to talk about my thought process behind this? I alluded to my approach a little earlier but I can go more in-depth if you'd like.
Quote from Wisp »
my wolf game is abysmal, so like IDK why u keep talking about being snowed
Because like I said - I genuinely do not know what your alignment is this time. Has wolf me ever pushed town you?
i think wolf u just does w/e he thinks he can do, so IDk
for what its worth, you have almost always just pocketed me, and told people evaluate me later, but like of course in a micro game, that evaluation process doesn't really work
but yes, explain to me your re-evaluation again
I'm not convinced that wolf Proph tries to defend me like he has tbh. Also... Grape and DoTA's votes seem agenda-driven. Axel's and DV's just look like sad OMGUS because I had them in POE.
do know why u think the first sentence, but dota's vote has agenda vibes, and honestly if you look at Grape's original wall on you, it doesn't really seem to say much from what I recall, that makes you "so" bad, but he just states he is keeping the vote. so yes I can see both of these. My brain just doesn't really expect wolf!Grape to be able to talk like this. I imagine more timidness, but maybe I am misremembering
Wolf Grape was strong, he just was burning out back when he was last playing iirc.
Out of the four votes on you, Osie, I think DV's is actually the one that looks the most agenda-driven.
Gun to head, I think you are town, and I will try to defend you to prevent scum from scoring a mislunch. My lack of experience playing with you is kinda showing, but I need to have more of a backbone here.
I still want to take another look at KJ, but I am otherwise pretty comfortable with townreads of Proph/Cantrip/Wisp for the time being. DV is awkward for me since I feel like he could go either way.
Out of the four votes on you, Osie, I think DV's is actually the one that looks the most agenda-driven.
Gun to head, I think you are town, and I will try to defend you to prevent scum from scoring a mislunch. My lack of experience playing with you is kinda showing, but I need to have more of a backbone here.
My scumread on DV boils down to a couple of things:
1) Out of all of the votes on the Crossbell wagon, his feels the most agenda-driven. With an exception, he's been pretty gung-ho about not liking Crossbell or I. I fear that he may be trying to chain mislunches (he's tunnelling Crossbell, then when he flips town he will shift to focus to me)
2) I feel like his posts have been kind of narrow? Like he doesn't show much insight into his thought process for his townreads, and he went from post 223 to 327 without really catching up.
3) PoE. Think if Crossbell is town, there's likely at least scum on his wagon. I like Grape atm, and DoTA may be town. We'll see on Axel after he completes his catchup.
I have to say that I do like this post from DV though. It's self meta, but it reads as somewhat genuine.
Quote from DV »
This is a severe misunderstanding of my scum rage game play. Typically as scum I argue about pendantic ***** to appear playing the game and then get annoyed by players ignoring my correct statements.
Its likely hard for players to seperate that from my town game play, because my town play focused on specific things but for me it was always with a purpose. Maybe not a purpose that other players understood, but a purpose none the less. Largely my town reads/gameplay in the last 5(? more maybe) years hyper evolved into me taking an active role to get players to respond to me to see these specific things/meta reads and that turned into me largely bullying people/becoming more toxic as I took the game too seriously.
My scum games I'd just get mad because people would say that something I did was a scum tell or something really dumb and then I'd just use that as a cover for my aimlessness which is in my opinion always been my biggest scum tell. Really though what I'm trying to get across is that it wasn't fake, it was always anger misplaced as it may have been.
I'll read up on his games and report back to you. My gut kinda likes him though.
He had little to no reaction on both of us voting for him, and I liked him asking "If you feel Axel isn't doing much, then why didn't you poke him for reads, analysis, explanations, anything while the two of you had your back and forth?". Plus there was Cantrip's bold thing.
I'll read up on his games and report back to you. My gut kinda likes him though.
He had little to no reaction on both of us voting for him, and I liked him asking "If you feel Axel isn't doing much, then why didn't you poke him for reads, analysis, explanations, anything while the two of you had your back and forth?". Plus there was Cantrip's bold thing.
Except I was saying that I wanted Axel to do stuff.
I don't like DoTA's vote on Crossbell; it feels opportunistic to me. I am fine with his questioning on Crossbell, but the vote feels.. premature? Like he's looking for someone to incriminate. Would still like to see him zoom out/focus on the game at large.
Disagree. That quoted post with bolded emphasis feels like an aha moment, which is harder for scum to fake than town. Not impossible, but the conviction feels more likely town, too.
I don't like DoTA's vote on Crossbell; it feels opportunistic to me. I am fine with his questioning on Crossbell, but the vote feels.. premature? Like he's looking for someone to incriminate. Would still like to see him zoom out/focus on the game at large.
Disagree. That quoted post with bolded emphasis feels like an aha moment, which is harder for scum to fake than town. Not impossible, but the conviction feels more likely town, too.
^^^
It felt to me like one of my early scumgames where I tried going hard on possible "slips". Like as if there had been some actual seriousness to my scumslip comment on Wisp in early game.
Osie re-evaluating me looks better, I don't what the hell your re-evaluation was
Did you want me to talk about my thought process behind this? I alluded to my approach a little earlier but I can go more in-depth if you'd like.
Quote from Wisp »
my wolf game is abysmal, so like IDK why u keep talking about being snowed
Because like I said - I genuinely do not know what your alignment is this time. Has wolf me ever pushed town you?
i think wolf u just does w/e he thinks he can do, so IDk
for what its worth, you have almost always just pocketed me, and told people evaluate me later, but like of course in a micro game, that evaluation process doesn't really work
but yes, explain to me your re-evaluation again
I'm not convinced that wolf Proph tries to defend me like he has tbh. Also... Grape and DoTA's votes seem agenda-driven. Axel's and DV's just look like sad OMGUS because I had them in POE.
You can either engage with my scum read on you or you can not.
Both you and Proph claim to not understand it, even though I've been VERY CLEAR about it the whole time.
All of your reads are weak, your town reads are questionable and your scum reads were literally "2 scum voting me out of four people".
I'm against the extension, don't see it serving a major purpose and I have plans this weekend.
I do agree that there is likely at least one scum voting you, but unsure about two.
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I'm also not getting the memo about everyone townreading killjoy. Does he have recent scum/town games I can look back on?
@killjoy? I don't recall you randing scum recently.
Axel's no longer my strongest scumread, but the fact that the wagon pretty much matches up to my scumreads is telling. Killjoy is the other possibility IMO, maybe a bit more equity than Axel outside of Axel being useless.
You've not explained how either of these are scum reads.
@Proph,
Since you continue to town read Osie, What bit of anaylsis are you seeing that makes you see town? And I want quotes.
Osie re-evaluating me looks better, I don't what the hell your re-evaluation was
Did you want me to talk about my thought process behind this? I alluded to my approach a little earlier but I can go more in-depth if you'd like.
Quote from Wisp »
my wolf game is abysmal, so like IDK why u keep talking about being snowed
Because like I said - I genuinely do not know what your alignment is this time. Has wolf me ever pushed town you?
i think wolf u just does w/e he thinks he can do, so IDk
for what its worth, you have almost always just pocketed me, and told people evaluate me later, but like of course in a micro game, that evaluation process doesn't really work
but yes, explain to me your re-evaluation again
I'm not convinced that wolf Proph tries to defend me like he has tbh. Also... Grape and DoTA's votes seem agenda-driven. Axel's and DV's just look like sad OMGUS because I had them in POE.
You have been confidant of your Proph read well before this post, this post was made today.
What about the last few days of gameplay has made you think Proph was town?
Really want to express how much I dislike Crossbell's posting.
Was a slight pressure vote now is an actual vote.
Like DV didn't even realize he wasn't voting me. Really absurd disengagement. I called out him for defending Wisp by chainsawing a vote and he quibbled about my wording instead of engaging with my read. And then he blusters about how I'm not engaging with a read which is clearly bogus and OMGUS from him? This is classic scum DV struggling to find a logical foothold to push town and jumping on what he sees as a LHF wagon alongside a buddy. Probably DoTA, maybe Grapefruit, much less likely Axel.
This is my issue with anything from Cross/Osie all of them are vapid meaningless none explained posts.
really? feels more like people don't like their thought process, outside a few inconsistencies
Im gonna hide in my own corner, and just laugh if Cross is town, and be like I told you so, if he flips wolf
Really want to express how much I dislike Crossbell's posting.
Was a slight pressure vote now is an actual vote.
Like DV didn't even realize he wasn't voting me. Really absurd disengagement. I called out him for defending Wisp by chainsawing a vote and he quibbled about my wording instead of engaging with my read. And then he blusters about how I'm not engaging with a read which is clearly bogus and OMGUS from him? This is classic scum DV struggling to find a logical foothold to push town and jumping on what he sees as a LHF wagon alongside a buddy. Probably DoTA, maybe Grapefruit, much less likely Axel.
Jesus christ stop the adhoms and explain your reads.
We got 3 people who play their own game in this topic
Grape, DV, and Osie to a lesser extent
so its somewhat useless to bother with trying to change their minds, until we get a dead body that either proves them right or makes them have to re-evaluate
I work at the time of the current deadline so I would appreciate the extension. Also an extension would always help me out as I am town and want more discussion to occur. Intrinsically now, anybody who rejects the extension looks scummy which is a problem.
Really want to express how much I dislike Crossbell's posting.
Was a slight pressure vote now is an actual vote.
Like DV didn't even realize he wasn't voting me. Really absurd disengagement. I called out him for defending Wisp by chainsawing a vote and he quibbled about my wording instead of engaging with my read. And then he blusters about how I'm not engaging with a read which is clearly bogus and OMGUS from him? This is classic scum DV struggling to find a logical foothold to push town and jumping on what he sees as a LHF wagon alongside a buddy. Probably DoTA, maybe Grapefruit, much less likely Axel.
Jesus christ stop the adhoms and explain your reads.
There's no adhom in there. And unlike you, my reads have been explained in detail. If you have more specific questions then you can engage in questions rather than spewing yourself scum.
I work at the time of the current deadline so I would appreciate the extension. Also an extension would always help me out as I am town and want more discussion to occur. Intrinsically now, anybody who rejects the extension looks scummy which is a problem.
Would like to extend the deadline.
Someone should unvote Osie so that we don't accidentally hammer.
Like I said, everyone in the game has expressed indifference or suspicion on Osie's slot besides Cantrip and I. That qualifies as "low hanging fruit" to me.
I don't have a large body of experience with Osie but I don't /think/ this is his scum game?
that's like calling Azreal LHF where his town game go evaporated because of his playstyle in that one game recently
he was not LHF
Osie is not LHF
I don't really see myself voting in Cantrip/Grape/DV/Axel
which leaves what
you, Dota, KJ
and KJ hasn't done anything really wolfy or townie
Dota had that one forceful vote, but that's about it
and you, well, call it omgus, even though my read does encompass other thoughts, the fact that I got double teamed as town, by two different players, leaves a bad taste in my mouth
Osie re-evaluating me looks better, I don't what the hell your re-evaluation was
@Highroller
Crossbell - 4 (Grapefruit21, DOTArchon, Axelrod, D_V) - PLURALITY
DOTArchon - 2 (Prophylaxis, Crossbell)
Prophylaxis - 2 (Cantripmancer, Wisp)
Not Voting - 1 (Killjoy)
Did you want me to talk about my thought process behind this? I alluded to my approach a little earlier but I can go more in-depth if you'd like.
Because like I said - I genuinely do not know what your alignment is this time. Has wolf me ever pushed town you?
Still pretty concerned with the gamestate bifurcation I mentioned in this post. It's just - am I the one in the wrong here, or is everyone else just wrong, and the wolves are taking advantage of it?
Axel's no longer my strongest scumread, but the fact that the wagon pretty much matches up to my scumreads is telling. Killjoy is the other possibility IMO, maybe a bit more equity than Axel outside of Axel being useless.
Except it's not just OMGUS. I've been very conscious about my play this game and paid attention to how I'm drawing people onto my wagon. You handwaving it as OMGUS is a strawman to defend yourself.
for what its worth, you have almost always just pocketed me, and told people evaluate me later, but like of course in a micro game, that evaluation process doesn't really work
but yes, explain to me your re-evaluation again
Not if the game is going exactly as planned.
Are you at all not worried about Proph, can you explain to me again why are confident enough to call him town here?
I'm not convinced that wolf Proph tries to defend me like he has tbh. Also... Grape and DoTA's votes seem agenda-driven. Axel's and DV's just look like sad OMGUS because I had them in POE.
I think Proph is evaluating and reevaluating. I also don't feel that what he's been called out for has been very scummy? I townread him quickly mostly on tone, and I think he's lived up to that read.
As someone who has hosted a bit, I think that this should not be telling people to respond in the thread where their responses can be read into. That said, I work at the time of the current deadline so I would appreciate the extension. Also an extension would always help me out as I am town and want more discussion to occur. Intrinsically now, anybody who rejects the extension looks scummy which is a problem.
Wolf Grape was strong, he just was burning out back when he was last playing iirc.
Gun to head, I think you are town, and I will try to defend you to prevent scum from scoring a mislunch. My lack of experience playing with you is kinda showing, but I need to have more of a backbone here.
More after I get out of work.
:thinking:
Unvote: Proph
Vote: Dota
@Highroller
Crossbell - 4 (Grapefruit21, DOTArchon, Axelrod, D_V) - PLURALITY
DOTArchon - 3 (Prophylaxis, Crossbell, Wisp)
Prophylaxis - 1 (Cantripmancer)
Not Voting - 1 (Killjoy)
Want to review his games first. My gut is telling me that DoTA might be a miss though.
Far more interested in (DV/X) worlds.
(Also, Wisp, I will chart out my thought process when I get some time)
1) Out of all of the votes on the Crossbell wagon, his feels the most agenda-driven. With an exception, he's been pretty gung-ho about not liking Crossbell or I. I fear that he may be trying to chain mislunches (he's tunnelling Crossbell, then when he flips town he will shift to focus to me)
2) I feel like his posts have been kind of narrow? Like he doesn't show much insight into his thought process for his townreads, and he went from post 223 to 327 without really catching up.
3) PoE. Think if Crossbell is town, there's likely at least scum on his wagon. I like Grape atm, and DoTA may be town. We'll see on Axel after he completes his catchup.
I have to say that I do like this post from DV though. It's self meta, but it reads as somewhat genuine.
I'm more confident on scum!DoTA then on any of my other scumreads tbh. He just checks all the boxen.
He had little to no reaction on both of us voting for him, and I liked him asking "If you feel Axel isn't doing much, then why didn't you poke him for reads, analysis, explanations, anything while the two of you had your back and forth?". Plus there was Cantrip's bold thing.
Except I was saying that I wanted Axel to do stuff.
What was Cantrip's bold thing?
^^^
It felt to me like one of my early scumgames where I tried going hard on possible "slips". Like as if there had been some actual seriousness to my scumslip comment on Wisp in early game.
You can either engage with my scum read on you or you can not.
Both you and Proph claim to not understand it, even though I've been VERY CLEAR about it the whole time.
All of your reads are weak, your town reads are questionable and your scum reads were literally "2 scum voting me out of four people".
I'm against the extension, don't see it serving a major purpose and I have plans this weekend.
Funny how your defense against voting someone who scumread you is that you didn't read their posts.
Your entire post is a scumclaim.
Vote: DV
(Voting for no real reason other than OMGUS.)
You've not explained how either of these are scum reads.
@Proph,
Since you continue to town read Osie, What bit of anaylsis are you seeing that makes you see town? And I want quotes.
What are you seeing that makes you see town?
You have been confidant of your Proph read well before this post, this post was made today.
What about the last few days of gameplay has made you think Proph was town?
Like DV didn't even realize he wasn't voting me. Really absurd disengagement. I called out him for defending Wisp by chainsawing a vote and he quibbled about my wording instead of engaging with my read. And then he blusters about how I'm not engaging with a read which is clearly bogus and OMGUS from him? This is classic scum DV struggling to find a logical foothold to push town and jumping on what he sees as a LHF wagon alongside a buddy. Probably DoTA, maybe Grapefruit, much less likely Axel.
No u
Im gonna hide in my own corner, and just laugh if Cross is town, and be like I told you so, if he flips wolf
Jesus christ stop the adhoms and explain your reads.
Grape, DV, and Osie to a lesser extent
so its somewhat useless to bother with trying to change their minds, until we get a dead body that either proves them right or makes them have to re-evaluate
DV is openly scumclaiming because the host didn't let him do it in scumchat.
There's no adhom in there. And unlike you, my reads have been explained in detail. If you have more specific questions then you can engage in questions rather than spewing yourself scum.
and I can't tell how serious you are being
Straight up,
This is angle shooting and you've modkilled me for this.