I can truthfully say that I don't know what you're talking about.
Oh yeah? Then I have no idea what YOU are talking about. So there!
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Anyways I'm off to bed gotta get up so I can wear a full suit tomorrow in 100 degree weather in a courtroom that I'm 90% sure doesn't have AC. Lucky me.
It's so hot I'm sweating despite AC, and I don't sweat much. Glad to see you survived.
I swear there was a game in the not-that-distant past where someone opened the game, in like their very first post with a way-too-in-depth analysis of every player in the game up to that point. And proceeded to get raked over the coals for it.
Does that sound familiar to anyone? I feel like this happened.
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I swear there was a game in the not-that-distant past where someone opened the game, in like their very first post with a way-too-in-depth analysis of every player in the game up to that point. And proceeded to get raked over the coals for it.
Does that sound familiar to anyone? I feel like this happened.
That's definitely happened to me in the past, but I suspect it might not be the same person. I've done the way-too-in-depth thing for a while now, though.
It was on Mafia Universe. Osie. Who is/was who I thought Crossbell was.
I was going to say that would be somewhat town+ for Osie. But if Crossbell is saying that's not him, then I guess I don't think anything.
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It was on Mafia Universe. Osie. Who is/was who I thought Crossbell was.
I was going to say that would be somewhat town+ for Osie. But if Crossbell is saying that's not him, then I guess I don't think anything.
Osie got flak for that? I vaguely remember them getting most of the flak that game for putting their foot in their mouth, not for trying to draw blood out of a stone.
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Oh, right, now I remember what happened that game.
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It was on Mafia Universe. Osie. Who is/was who I thought Crossbell was.
Assuming it isn't problematic to mention in this game, what thing did you tell Osie you were going to do?
Uh, I told him I would review a mafia set up of his.
Like an infinity amount of time ago?
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@Crossbell
so ya im with Proph on, "its too early for this Axel read", nonsense
did you even check the length between the posts, and the post count in compared to the rest of the game?
honestly I'll be lucky to get axel to respond sometimes
No, because while my explanation is a meta-read since it's easier to explain things that way, my actual read was off of tonal dissonance to what I feel is Axelrod's chakra.
ok well my brain is too small for that read then
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I thought it was Osie too, because cough cough they can't read me, but then again
he also doesn't play like this, but I guess if he is trying to mimic Proph, it could be possible
I thought it was Osie too, because cough cough they can't read me, but then again
he also doesn't play like this, but I guess if he is trying to mimic Proph, it could be possible
I've never been told that I have a similar playstyle to Osie before so that meshes up.
YOU said you had talked with me personally. And Osie is (I think) literally the only person on this site I have ever actually spoken to.
So what you MEANT was like, in PMs, or on Discord, or something. Hmmmmm?
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YOU said you had talked with me personally. And Osie is (I think) literally the only person on this site I have ever actually spoken to.
So what you MEANT was like, in PMs, or on Discord, or something. Hmmmmm?
My identity aside, you now have two votes on you again. Hopefully that's enough to get you to say something about players/posts outside of Crossbell/Prophylaxis/Wisp?
YOU said you had talked with me personally. And Osie is (I think) literally the only person on this site I have ever actually spoken to.
So what you MEANT was like, in PMs, or on Discord, or something. Hmmmmm?
My identity aside, you now have two votes on you again. Hopefully that's enough to get you to say something about players/posts outside of Crossbell/Prophylaxis/Wisp?
Yes, hopefully.
Right now though I am going to sleep. :link::link:
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YOU said you had talked with me personally. And Osie is (I think) literally the only person on this site I have ever actually spoken to.
So what you MEANT was like, in PMs, or on Discord, or something. Hmmmmm?
My identity aside, you now have two votes on you again. Hopefully that's enough to get you to say something about players/posts outside of Crossbell/Prophylaxis/Wisp?
Yes, hopefully.
Right now though I am going to sleep. :link::link:
So this is my main misgiving about Wisp. Not exactly sure if he's like LOCK SCUM, but I want to put my grievances out in the open for people to talk about.
My main concern with him is the "not voting in RVS" thing. This is very elementary/low sample size/basic meta analysis, but I did some cursory meta research on Wisp and found that he voted pretty early and used his vote early in two town games I looked at (Ballade and Mostly Seinen, while he waited on his vote in two of his recent scum games (Tarot Mafia and Darling in the FRANXX).
If you look at his ISOs in his town games, he votes early, but more than that, his tone is just way more self confident and self-assured. I'll just repost the first five posts from each game as an example:
Town games:
(this is referring to me, not the Crossbell in this game)
Scum games:
I might be cherry-picking town or scum games here from Wisp because I'm not the most familiar with his meta, but just read the posts I've quoted. He's more self assertive and confident as town. Plus, look how he just lock-towns me in Mostly Seinen II. I feel if he was town, he wouldn't be treating me with kid gloves like the way he is doing now. I feel like he would be voting me and being way more comfortable voicing his concerns about me, rather than what he is doing now. (saying that I haven't "towned it up" and saying that I'm not natural, without voting me)
The tonal difference is there I feel, and I think his tone this game matches his scum self more than his town self.
First off I know that the game is young but you pushing a scum read off of something as minor as a change in RVS behavior feels very out of character for you. Second Wisp is notoriously inconsistent and I know for a fact has expressed disdain for RVS in the past. No clue if it's recent. I also find it unlikely that you really believe that Wisp would have a pattern of RVS'ing as town but not mafia. Very unlikely. Puts me in mind of what DV was just describing about finding a technicality to nitpick as scum. Going to have to reevaluate Crossbell now because I think you two are very probably unaligned.
I swear there was a game in the not-that-distant past where someone opened the game, in like their very first post with a way-too-in-depth analysis of every player in the game up to that point. And proceeded to get raked over the coals for it.
Does that sound familiar to anyone? I feel like this happened.
It was on Mafia Universe. Osie. Who is/was who I thought Crossbell was.
I was going to say that would be somewhat town+ for Osie. But if Crossbell is saying that's not him, then I guess I don't think anything.
Can confirm it was Osie and he was absolutely raked over the coals for it before other things happened that combusted. And now I'm doubting myself because I remember hard defending that on the argument it was town indicative for Osie specifically but I think it might just not be as indicative as I thought it was in general to be scummy.
Going to reread crossbell when I have time which is a lot of posts.
@DV how did you arrive your two groups? How much of it just scum reads versus partner worldbuilding? Your stance on me seems to have worsened on basically nothing as far as I can see.
I wouldn't say you are cherry-picking, you are just meta reading the wrong things
ohh well
ping me again, when you have a case on someone who might actually flip red
still probably not DV
Then what should I be meta-reading into? Should I even attempt to use your past games as reference?
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If you say this a third time, I might hate it less. (No, I won't.)
Unless he doesn't do enough for another 48 hours, I don't think Wisp is a good D1 Elim here.
Is this all you have to say regarding my meta diving? I was hoping for someone to actually indicate that they at least read my post.
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My guess right now.
0 - 1 scum exists in
Axel, Wisp, Proph, Crossbell
0 - 2 scum exist in
Dota, KJ, Grape and Cantrip
Conclusion Dota, KJ, Grape and Cantrip are a better place to vote out right now. Not sure where to point though.
How do you come to this conclusion and then vote Axelrod in your next post?
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My sole townread at this point is Crossbell because 1) I think they're thinking about the game in a fairly nuanced fashion, 2) I think the early wagon on them was pushed in bad faith, and 3) sort by postcount become werewolf expert.
First off I know that the game is young but you pushing a scum read off of something as minor as a change in RVS behavior feels very out of character for you. Second Wisp is notoriously inconsistent and I know for a fact has expressed disdain for RVS in the past. No clue if it's recent. I also find it unlikely that you really believe that Wisp would have a pattern of RVS'ing as town but not mafia. Very unlikely. Puts me in mind of what DV was just describing about finding a technicality to nitpick as scum. Going to have to reevaluate Crossbell now because I think you two are very probably unaligned.
I feel like his tone this game is also different from his previous town games. You focused on me nitpicking about the votes, but you didn't mention anything about what I said regarding his tone.
If I see someone cast an early vote in their two past town games and then not do the same as scum, of course I'm going to bring that up.
And again I don't know if the two town games I linked are actually his past two town games, but I know Ballade ended somewhat recently and I was in Mostly Seinen II, so you can see how he treated me in that game versus this game.
Also Grape, if you think I'm scum, then just vote me and we can have a discussion. We generally shouldn't be putting people past L-2 but I would like to see people's votes reflect who they are actually scumreading. (Vote analysis in a 9p game is probably gonna be a ***** though)
I'd already talked about my disagreements with your tone read and didn't have anything new to add there. That post also literally says "my main concern with him is the "Not voting in RVS" thing. Which again if my pattern of reference is three games that I'm not sure are his most recent I wouldn't call it a super signifcant indicator without more evidence. Especially for someone as erratic (<3 you Wisp) as Wisp.
And I think you might be scum. But I think I'm more confident Crossbell is. Pending a reread. Which I said in my last post.
@Proph
I would probably see myself voting Dota, as it stands at the moment
not that I necessarily have a read on KJ or Grape, but I think its correct to vote in the lower posters, then trying to figure out if consistent posters are being malicious
I can pull out reasons to like, as well as hate you, but that's mostly tone, and I know how much u hate tonal reads
the same goes for Crossbell, but on a macro level, the reasons to town lean him, heavily outweigh the reasons to wolf read him
I can also pull out reasons to like DV/Axel
which leaves a PoE of Cantrip/KJ/Grape/Dota
I am hoping I can lower that PoE more so as day 1 goes on
also I agree that we shouldn't be putting people to L2
but at the same time, its been stated several times that Cross is at L2, so any new vote isn't really "blissful ignorance", at this point
well actually he should be L3 now, since one of the voters was DV
I am curious to see how Dota re-evaluates Crossbell
I looked at some older games, reread Wisp's ISO, tried to put myself in his town shoes and... I no longer believe that he is scum. On the contrary, I think he is actually leaning town.
I'd already talked about my disagreements with your tone read and didn't have anything new to add there. That post also literally says "my main concern with him is the "Not voting in RVS" thing. Which again if my pattern of reference is three games that I'm not sure are his most recent I wouldn't call it a super signifcant indicator without more evidence. Especially for someone as erratic (<3 you Wisp) as Wisp.
And I think you might be scum. But I think I'm more confident Crossbell is. Pending a reread. Which I said in my last post.
i do like that Cross re-evaluated me, but its not at all dangerous yet, especially given we have basically 4 non-existent players at the moment, with you and DV right on the line
its still possible its just Proph here, I am still waiting for him to re-evaluate me
If anyone wants the whole kit and kaboodle on how I re-evaluated Wisp, I can give it to you in the morning.
Essentially it involved skimming the early game of some of his older MTGS games (Shousling/Throne Room/Realm of the Elderlings, he may have been a neutral for one or two these games idk) and then actually trying to read his posts from the perspective of him randing town. I also read more of his game in Tarot.
I'd already talked about my disagreements with your tone read and didn't have anything new to add there. That post also literally says "my main concern with him is the "Not voting in RVS" thing. Which again if my pattern of reference is three games that I'm not sure are his most recent I wouldn't call it a super signifcant indicator without more evidence. Especially for someone as erratic (<3 you Wisp) as Wisp.
And I think you might be scum. But I think I'm more confident Crossbell is. Pending a reread. Which I said in my last post.
you are really that confident here, that Crossbell is a wolf?
@Proph
the timing of that post, guess we decided to stop bussing each other in our wolf chat. omegalul
I posted my 228 and just started skimming old games of yours, plus I reread your ISO and tried to put myself in your shoes. Your early game makes a lot of sense given that perspective. (Now I guess it's possible I should look at it from the opposite perspective, but shrug)
Your post 230 is also quite good. I do think the razor just points to scum being in the lower-activity posters thus far given MTGS site meta.
WTH. I had eight posts quoted via multiquote, clicked Reply, nothing. Went to another page and they're gone. So I'm just going to reply as I REREAD things and y'all can suffer my multiposting.
@Cantrip I don't get your town read on crossbell at all. You only added two details beyond engaged and solvey=town. The first was the Proph roleplay was a factor in other people (DV and myself notably) scum reading the wall post and you having a guess to the identity and projecting that to the town meta. I have a hard time seeing how that equals a top town read.
The meta read is actually playing a lot stronger here than I think I realized. Each subsequent post makes me feel like it's more likely who I think it is, and I'm freaking loving it. (Spoiler: I'm probably completely wrong, because I'm almost always wrong on these things, but something something blind squirrel...) I'm also happy with the volume of output. Again, not necessarily town on its own, but in combination with everything, feels indicative to me. The Axel read still doesn't meld with me (nor the DoTa one, tbf), but the meta dive at least lets me see where Cross is coming from.
Also if you're scum and talked me out of me tunneling you, then well done.
I think this post (among others) would be.. a little harder to post/enter your brain as something worthy of posting if you were a wolf, while if you're town then this is a pretty natural thought to have.
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man i dont want proph to be a wolf
his luck on this site would be so devastating if that was the case again
I wanna give him a chance
I hope I'm right lmao and I'm not about to get MEGA SNOWED
I feel good about my Crossbell townread, and I also feel decently good about my newly re-evaluted Wisp townread. Can walk people through my thought process regarding Wisp if needed since I know it was pretty jarring.
Also if you're scum and talked me out of me tunneling you, then well done.
I think this post (among others) would be.. a little harder to post/enter your brain as something worthy of posting if you were a wolf, while if you're town then this is a pretty natural thought to have.
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man i dont want proph to be a wolf
his luck on this site would be so devastating if that was the case again
I wanna give him a chance
I hope I'm right lmao and I'm not about to get MEGA SNOWED
don't bother with these kinds of posts, I ignore them
I don't like DoTA's vote on Crossbell; it feels opportunistic to me. I am fine with his questioning on Crossbell, but the vote feels.. premature? Like he's looking for someone to incriminate. Would still like to see him zoom out/focus on the game at large.
Disagree. That quoted post with bolded emphasis feels like an aha moment, which is harder for scum to fake than town. Not impossible, but the conviction feels more likely town, too.
Man a part of me still hates crossbells axel case and a part of me really hates 237 from Proph. Also rereading a bunch of dota's early games, and this tone is just completely left field from either his town or wolf games, so it's probably completely NAI.
Killjoy: Pretty light in content, but that last post (150) is pretty solidly town paranoid KJ. Townlean.
Talk to me about why you think 150 is more likely to come from town paranoid killjoy? I'm looking at post 150 and while I do think it's a good callout (because DV jumping straight into assuming inside info on Crossbell's declaration of town on me is a weird assumption given the open setup) I don't see how it sharply indicates town killjoy.
It's not the content, it's the sharpness of the insight. Iirc, the feeling I often get from scum!KJ is sort of a meandering lost. He can't have sharp insights because he feels there's nothing to solve. He's honing in on something that he doesn't understand and applying focused scrutiny. I think that comes from town!KJ.
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DV: I hate reading DV. Scumlean.
Why does you hating reading DV automatically equivocate to a scumlean? Is it because he's been so vocal in pushing for Crossbell, one of your ostensibly stronger townreads?
Nah, it was simply for the reaction. (I know he reacted in a later post; more when I get there.)
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Proph: The energy and engagement give me generally good vibes, but the progression from 22, where he says he will easily be able to read Wisp, to 30, where he votes Wisp for "clumsy" posts feels weird, especially with Proph saying it's for Wisp's "early" posts.
@Proph: Can you show me Wisp being "clumsy", as you note in 30? In their "early" posts only, please.
I think post 8, post 19, post 25, and some extent post 29 are indicative of him being reactive/clumsy. I'm used to town Wisp being more proactive and not being afraid to voice out his opinions or to vote early. I would also feel like he would be more critical or dogged in his pursuit of me if he was town. Right now, it feels like he's treating me with kid gloves.
I can see what you're saying a bit with 19 and 25, but I'm really not seeing the reactiveness of 8 or 29. I know you've recently re-evaluated Wisp townward, but given the conviction you were showing based on early game meta comparison, right now it just looks like you've decided that trying to get Wisp mis-eliminated isn't worth the effort and you're going to push elsewhere. (I saw your explanation, and I don't want to ask you to provide more detail because I generally agree with what you "found", but your change in position is a bit, as you say, jarring.)
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You seem to be listing Wisp's annoyance with you and Cross as a point against them, but then you say it's understandable?
At the time I made that post, I thought it was understandable for him to be annoyed at being pressured by Crossbell and I as either alignment. I'd be annoyed if I was being hounded by two clones of mine, for example.[/quote]Ok, that makes sense.
Why does you hating reading DV automatically equivocate to a scumlean? Is it because he's been so vocal in pushing for Crossbell, one of your ostensibly stronger townreads?
Hey man when you gotta look for an excuse to scum read me this is how you do it.
Conclusion Dota, KJ, Grape and Cantrip are a better place to vote out right now. Not sure where to point though.
If you vote DoTA, I'll stop poking the monkey bear that is Axelrod and I'll vote DoTA with you.
Vote Axelrod
I want to +town DV for this. If this is scum!DV being offered a DoTa wagon and then joining Cross on Axel instead, that's some deep pocketing. Maybe less so if both Axel and DoTa flip town, but generally...yeah, I think this is more likely to come from town.
I've read past 200, but I'm falling asleep, so more posts in the morning. Good night.
I'd already talked about my disagreements with your tone read and didn't have anything new to add there. That post also literally says "my main concern with him is the "Not voting in RVS" thing. Which again if my pattern of reference is three games that I'm not sure are his most recent I wouldn't call it a super signifcant indicator without more evidence. Especially for someone as erratic (<3 you Wisp) as Wisp.
And I think you might be scum. But I think I'm more confident Crossbell is. Pending a reread. Which I said in my last post.
@Proph
I would probably see myself voting Dota, as it stands at the moment
not that I necessarily have a read on KJ or Grape, but I think its correct to vote in the lower posters, then trying to figure out if consistent posters are being malicious
I can pull out reasons to like, as well as hate you, but that's mostly tone, and I know how much u hate tonal reads
the same goes for Crossbell, but on a macro level, the reasons to town lean him, heavily outweigh the reasons to wolf read him
I can also pull out reasons to like DV/Axel
which leaves a PoE of Cantrip/KJ/Grape/Dota
I am hoping I can lower that PoE more so as day 1 goes on
also I agree that we shouldn't be putting people to L2
but at the same time, its been stated several times that Cross is at L2, so any new vote isn't really "blissful ignorance", at this point
well actually he should be L3 now, since one of the voters was DV
I am curious to see how Dota re-evaluates Crossbell
Note to self: Come back to this post later.
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It's so hot I'm sweating despite AC, and I don't sweat much. Glad to see you survived.
Does that sound familiar to anyone? I feel like this happened.
That's definitely happened to me in the past, but I suspect it might not be the same person. I've done the way-too-in-depth thing for a while now, though.
I was going to say that would be somewhat town+ for Osie. But if Crossbell is saying that's not him, then I guess I don't think anything.
What you're saying does sound familiar, but I am unable to recall who or if the incident happened.
Osie got flak for that? I vaguely remember them getting most of the flak that game for putting their foot in their mouth, not for trying to draw blood out of a stone.
Assuming it isn't problematic to mention in this game, what thing did you tell Osie you were going to do?
Uhh which meme exactly are you talking about?
Like an infinity amount of time ago?
Oh I see. I thought it might be related to this game.
Last I heard, Osie stopped playing a few months ago and is only hosting. He said something about being too busy with work.
he also doesn't play like this, but I guess if he is trying to mimic Proph, it could be possible
I've never been told that I have a similar playstyle to Osie before so that meshes up.
So what you MEANT was like, in PMs, or on Discord, or something. Hmmmmm?
My identity aside, you now have two votes on you again. Hopefully that's enough to get you to say something about players/posts outside of Crossbell/Prophylaxis/Wisp?
Right now though I am going to sleep. :link::link:
Waiting Room for Axel to say anything about another players alignment that is actual anylsis.
First off I know that the game is young but you pushing a scum read off of something as minor as a change in RVS behavior feels very out of character for you. Second Wisp is notoriously inconsistent and I know for a fact has expressed disdain for RVS in the past. No clue if it's recent. I also find it unlikely that you really believe that Wisp would have a pattern of RVS'ing as town but not mafia. Very unlikely. Puts me in mind of what DV was just describing about finding a technicality to nitpick as scum. Going to have to reevaluate Crossbell now because I think you two are very probably unaligned.
Can confirm it was Osie and he was absolutely raked over the coals for it before other things happened that combusted. And now I'm doubting myself because I remember hard defending that on the argument it was town indicative for Osie specifically but I think it might just not be as indicative as I thought it was in general to be scummy.
Going to reread crossbell when I have time which is a lot of posts.
@DV how did you arrive your two groups? How much of it just scum reads versus partner worldbuilding? Your stance on me seems to have worsened on basically nothing as far as I can see.
Is this all you have to say regarding my meta diving? I was hoping for someone to actually indicate that they at least read my post.
How do you come to this conclusion and then vote Axelrod in your next post?
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My sole townread at this point is Crossbell because 1) I think they're thinking about the game in a fairly nuanced fashion, 2) I think the early wagon on them was pushed in bad faith, and 3) sort by postcount become werewolf expert.
If I see someone cast an early vote in their two past town games and then not do the same as scum, of course I'm going to bring that up.
Also Grape, if you think I'm scum, then just vote me and we can have a discussion. We generally shouldn't be putting people past L-2 but I would like to see people's votes reflect who they are actually scumreading. (Vote analysis in a 9p game is probably gonna be a ***** though)
And I think you might be scum. But I think I'm more confident Crossbell is. Pending a reread. Which I said in my last post.
I would probably see myself voting Dota, as it stands at the moment
not that I necessarily have a read on KJ or Grape, but I think its correct to vote in the lower posters, then trying to figure out if consistent posters are being malicious
I can pull out reasons to like, as well as hate you, but that's mostly tone, and I know how much u hate tonal reads
the same goes for Crossbell, but on a macro level, the reasons to town lean him, heavily outweigh the reasons to wolf read him
I can also pull out reasons to like DV/Axel
which leaves a PoE of Cantrip/KJ/Grape/Dota
I am hoping I can lower that PoE more so as day 1 goes on
also I agree that we shouldn't be putting people to L2
but at the same time, its been stated several times that Cross is at L2, so any new vote isn't really "blissful ignorance", at this point
well actually he should be L3 now, since one of the voters was DV
I am curious to see how Dota re-evaluates Crossbell
I looked at some older games, reread Wisp's ISO, tried to put myself in his town shoes and... I no longer believe that he is scum. On the contrary, I think he is actually leaning town.
My bad.
its still possible its just Proph here, I am still waiting for him to re-evaluate me
Essentially it involved skimming the early game of some of his older MTGS games (Shousling/Throne Room/Realm of the Elderlings, he may have been a neutral for one or two these games idk) and then actually trying to read his posts from the perspective of him randing town. I also read more of his game in Tarot.
@Proph
the timing of that post, guess we decided to stop bussing each other in our wolf chat. omegalul
I posted my 228 and just started skimming old games of yours, plus I reread your ISO and tried to put myself in your shoes. Your early game makes a lot of sense given that perspective. (Now I guess it's possible I should look at it from the opposite perspective, but shrug)
Your post 230 is also quite good. I do think the razor just points to scum being in the lower-activity posters thus far given MTGS site meta.
Let's try this?
Vote DoTArchon
The meta read is actually playing a lot stronger here than I think I realized. Each subsequent post makes me feel like it's more likely who I think it is, and I'm freaking loving it. (Spoiler: I'm probably completely wrong, because I'm almost always wrong on these things, but something something blind squirrel...) I'm also happy with the volume of output. Again, not necessarily town on its own, but in combination with everything, feels indicative to me. The Axel read still doesn't meld with me (nor the DoTa one, tbf), but the meta dive at least lets me see where Cross is coming from.
I think this post (among others) would be.. a little harder to post/enter your brain as something worthy of posting if you were a wolf, while if you're town then this is a pretty natural thought to have.
I hope I'm right lmao and I'm not about to get MEGA SNOWED
I feel good about my Crossbell townread, and I also feel decently good about my newly re-evaluted Wisp townread. Can walk people through my thought process regarding Wisp if needed since I know it was pretty jarring.
(DV/DoTA/Cantrip/Killjoy/Axel/Grapefruit)
Two scum in six?
don't bother with these kinds of posts, I ignore them
If you think I'm a bad guy, vote me, case me, do what you want to do to get me dead.
Nah, it was simply for the reaction. (I know he reacted in a later post; more when I get there.)
I can see what you're saying a bit with 19 and 25, but I'm really not seeing the reactiveness of 8 or 29. I know you've recently re-evaluated Wisp townward, but given the conviction you were showing based on early game meta comparison, right now it just looks like you've decided that trying to get Wisp mis-eliminated isn't worth the effort and you're going to push elsewhere. (I saw your explanation, and I don't want to ask you to provide more detail because I generally agree with what you "found", but your change in position is a bit, as you say, jarring.)
At the time I made that post, I thought it was understandable for him to be annoyed at being pressured by Crossbell and I as either alignment. I'd be annoyed if I was being hounded by two clones of mine, for example.[/quote]Ok, that makes sense.
I've read past 200, but I'm falling asleep, so more posts in the morning. Good night.
Like, it's an okay read for what it is, I just don't think a lot about it.
I do recognize the vote meta element and I know where it comes from, but that doesn't mean I think it's significant necessarily.
Note to self: Come back to this post later.