GG Jack. Even if I had been able to make my analysis posts, I probably would have cleared you mostly for that wagon D1. That was a pretty good bus.
I was gonna ask you to post more and maybe I would have got there, but that bus was pretty good.
Hopefully this is a lesson that tunneling is bad and analysis is important.
Not letting people post/post a decent amount only helps scum. The less info in the game the better for them.
This is a good hint about my scum play, I tend to struggle to pressure people that I know are town so normally end up resort to bussing, not something I'm proud of but is something that happens. A lot of town were playing really good games also which made it harder to push you all. Lucky for me my teammates bussing me back so heavily gave me a good town spot, then the good old town paranoia of each other took over which was helped by speed kills. If I was more in my prime scum days I would have the confidence to push back on people more, but those days are long gone.
You had me sweating day one though your push on me while I think was wrong for the reaosns you gave, it put pressure on me I did not want at a time when my team was under pressure and others had me in their sights. Axel saved me big time when he got you to back off. Then I just took adv of the rhand kill and lived off that.
TBF that's a lesson you have to learn the hard way. I used to tunnel like that A LOT. Eventually you realize that if you're too certain, you're probably missing something.
This is very true death tunnelling rarely works, but in some cases like with Eco this game it can. I have had a lot of experiances of this both ways as Matter game showed.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
You killed without even letting the condemned person get off a single post.
AGAIN
JFC
No, I'm not bitter....
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I am only a teeny-tiny bit mollified by the fact that Jack played a strong game and very much had me town-reading him before I died.
It was also a super risky game that probably shouldn't have worked, but then there were some pretty unfortunate actions that happened after.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
You killed without even letting the condemned person get off a single post.
AGAIN
JFC
No, I'm not bitter....
Hush now, child.
It's over. Live and learn.
In fairness, I really should have unvoted instead of just said "let's wait for ZDS."
I was SO sure Jack was town. For reasons I can't even explain honestly.
Thanks for the game, Cantrip. I enjoyed the set-up. Was fun (mostly!)
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Like I said. I don't blame anyone for this game. It's a lesson.
Remember what happened here, and try not to repeat it.
It takes a while to get out of the mindset of "this is the way things are, we don't need to examine further." when you're sure. Eventually you see that the thing you were sure of was wrong more often than not.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
...welp...as much as I love getting lectured and yelled at after I apologize and admit I ****ed up...think I'll just skip this one.
Please understand, as frustrating as it is, it’s just a game. Nobody is really going to care 24 hours after whoever makes the last post.
On the other hand, one thing I can’t immediately let go was the constant attempt to skip the actual discussion part of the game [where the teamwork happens] in favor of just quickly flipping people until MyLo, and then flipping some more. I don’t know why it manifested in a mini of all setups, which naturally has shorter-than-standard deadlines for MTGS. It’s neither fun nor fair, and that needs to be addressed regardless of who wins. And I’m *****ing about it now because I don’t want it to happen again, to anyone, ever.
For example, with time to reread, someone might have noticed that Axelrod crumbed his flavor with his gifs, and that would out the scum who tried to claim his flavor.
This isn’t even directed at you specifically. I’m just as guilty with putting Grape in hammer range so early, I know what it feels like to think “yeah the game is basically over who cares.”
...welp...as much as I love getting lectured and yelled at after I apologize and admit I ****ed up...think I'll just skip this one.
Please understand, as frustrating as it is, it’s just a game. Nobody is really going to care 24 hours after whoever makes the last post.
On the other hand, one thing I can’t immediately let go was the constant attempt to skip the actual discussion part of the game [where the teamwork happens] in favor of just quickly flipping people until MyLo, and then flipping some more. I don’t know why it manifested in a mini of all setups, which naturally has shorter-than-standard deadlines for MTGS. It’s neither fun nor fair, and that needs to be addressed regardless of who wins. And I’m *****ing about it now because I don’t want it to happen again, to anyone, ever.
For example, with time to reread, someone might have noticed that Axelrod crumbed his flavor with his gifs, and that would out the scum who tried to claim his flavor.
This isn’t even directed at you specifically. I’m just as guilty with putting Grape in hammer range so early, I know what it feels like to think “yeah the game is basically over who cares.”
Tbh when asked to claim I took so long because I was iso Axel to see if he hinted at it. Eventually I realized though neither Sloth or Ter cared enough to check so just went with it
Hey, moaning from the cheap seats in Spec forum is practically a tradition unto itself.
It's so easy to complain how terrible everyone is playing after you are dead and know everything.
Sorry if I made it too personal TerRaine. Not intentional.
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Listen, objectively, so long as I was alive we lost this game no matter what.
I would have killed anyone before I killed Jack this game and didn't care to revisit it. I ****ed up badly.
Sorry - but I am super glad this game didn't end up being by-the-numbers as it appeared it was going to be originally.
Listen, objectively, so long as I was alive we lost this game no matter what.
I would have killed anyone before I killed Jack this game and didn't care to revisit it. I ****ed up badly.
Sorry - but I am super glad this game didn't end up being by-the-numbers as it appeared it was going to be originally.
I have no idea why you townread me though, it's not like I took your side in anything. I wanted you dead half the game
Just kidding, I actually disagree (to an extent). In the context of how this game was going, taking our time to hear Grape or me would not have made much of a difference, other than causing pointless and boring lulls.
The entire point of the Day phase is to debate. Argue why you think it's better to flush Player A than Player B. Agree with Player C and disagree with Player D. This keeps town invested and forces scum to take stances.
But what if the town hubristicly decides they will win by randoflushing in the POE and there is no need to debate? Then there's no need to take it slow either. You are only going to miss some memes.
This game's result was the logical conclusion of that town hubris, and of a fantastic display of effective distancing by the scum team Day 1.
So congratulations scum, especially Jack for a tight performance, and boo town, except Eco and Axel you guys did ok.
It takes a while to get out of the mindset of "this is the way things are, we don't need to examine further." when you're sure. Eventually you see that the thing you were sure of was wrong more often than not.
I personally have the opposite issue, in spite of what it may seem. I have no certainty about anything, I can see anyone as either town or scum, so I pick arbitrary criteria that I think make sense to try and sort players. Then I go all in gambling on them. Sometimes it works relatively well, and sometimes like here I am the worst analyst of all times.
Town
Ecophagy, Top Gun, Town Ascetic Vigilante
Axelrod, Back to the Future, Town Vengeful Roleblocker
Slothful, Who Framed Roger Rabbit, Town Shutoff Miller
Grapefruit21, The Empire Strikes Back, Town Mirror
gooLagoon, Stand by Me, Town Deathcop
ZeDorkSlipeur, Ferris Bueller's Day Off, Town Target+Self Rolestopper
ignoramus, E.T., Town Bodyguard
Killjoy, Beetlejuice, Town Investigator
TerRaine, Never Ending Story, Town Gravedigger
Mafia
Rhand, Robocop, Mafia Gifter
Jackrito, Predator, Mafia Rolethief
Highroller, Nightmare on Elm Street, Mafia Strongman
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Roles
Ecophagy Top Gun, Town Ascetic Vigilante "I feel the need...the need for speed."
Maverick: Non-killing abilities that target you will be blocked (and expended). I Am Dangerous: Once per game, at Night, you may shoot target player.
Axelrod Back to the Future, Town Vengeful Roleblocker "Wait a minute, Doc. Are you telling me you built a time machine...out of a DeLorean?"
Fix the Future: If you are killed at Night, before the start of the following Night, you may target another player; if you do, that player will be roleblocked the following Night.
Slothful Who Framed Roger Rabbit, Town Shutoff Miller "But I'm a Toon. Toons are supposed to make people laugh."
Is He Always This Funny, or Only on Days When He's Wanted for Murder: You are a miller; any alignment investigation on you will show you as a member of the Mafia. Say Hello...Harvey: Once per game, at Night, you may choose to not be a Miller for that Night.
Grapefruit21 The Empire Strikes Back, Town Mirror "Stopped they must be; on this all depends. Only a fully trained Jedi Knight, with the Force as his ally, will conquer Vader and his Emperor. If you end your training now - if you choose the quick and easy path as Vader did - you will become an agent of evil."
Strike Back: Once per game, at Night, you may choose that all abilities that target you this Night instead target the player that used the ability.
gooLagoon Stand by Me, Town Deathcop "It happens sometimes. Friends come in and out of your life, like busboys in a restaurant."
You Guys Wanna Go See a Dead Body: When you die, you may choose two target players. The first player's alignment will be revealed to the second player.
ZeDorkSlipeur Ferris Bueller's Day Off, Town Target+Self Rolestopper "Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it."
Take the Day Off: Once per game, at Night, you may target another player. During that Night, prevent all non-killing actions that would target you or your target made by players other than you or your target.
ignoramus E.T., Town Bodyguard "E.T. phone home."
Ouuuuchhh: Once per game, at Night, you may target another player. Prevent all kills that would target that player during that Night. If you prevent a kill this way, you die.
Killjoy Beetlejuice, Town Ability Investigator "I'm the ghost with the most, babe."
Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice: Once per game, at Night, you may target a player; you will be told if that player has an ability and if it is "investigative", "protective", or "other". You may use this ability only if three other players have quoted you in the previous Day.
TerRaine Never Ending Story, Town Gravedigger "Having a luck dragon with you is the only way to go on a quest."
Save Fantasia: Once per game, at Night, target a dead player; the following Night, you gain one shot of that player's ability the following Night. You may only use this ability if you made at least 50 posts the Day before.
Rhand Robocop, Mafia Gifter "Serve the public trust, protect the innocent, uphold the law."
Madam, You Have Suffered an Emotional Shock: Once per game, at Night, you may target another player; that player will receive a bulletproof vest that has "the next kill made against you will be prevented and this vest will be destroyed".
Jackrito Predator, Mafia Rolethief "If it bleeds, we can kill it."
Trophies of Man: Once per game, if you successfully perform the faction kill, you may choose to learn the killed player's full role; if you do, you gain a 1-shot of that player's ability, if one exists. Only that player's alignment will be revealed in-thread.
Highroller Nightmare on Elm Street, Mafia Strongman "One, two, Freddy's coming for you.
Three, four, better lock your door.
Five, six, grab your crucifix.
Seven, eight, gonna stay up late.
Nine, ten, never sleep again."
Death by Dreams: Once per game, if you perform the faction kill, you may choose that any abilities that would prevent that kill instead don't. This does not affect redirection.
I personally have the opposite issue, in spite of what it may seem. I have no certainty about anything, I can see anyone as either town or scum, so I pick arbitrary criteria that I think make sense to try and sort players. Then I go all in gambling on them. Sometimes it works relatively well, and sometimes like here I am the worst analyst of all times.
I've been slowly moving towards a slower analytical process. Day 1 is hard, I can't commit to anything really there, but maybe I should have put more stock into what I saw as scummy.
Town Grape:
Grape started out the game with a bang (OR NOT APPERENTLY) but I kind of like his 160 as a reaction to the progression of the game in reaction to his (not actually) daykill. He has a habit of strongly townreading me early, and I think he's been right every time (though I think he was scum once) so it's not out of the ordinary for him to be townreading me out the gate.
I don't agree with his townread of HR in 383, I think it's too early for that.
I'm also slightly paranoid of the sheepvote onto Sloth in 402. In that same post, he asserts that there "should not be scumreads on HR" which, again, might be too early for that but the overtness of that is... kinda too much for scum maybe?
Also, this may be too overt, but Grape claiming that something is a "great reason to scumread Rhand" in 519 very obviously oozes scum motivation, and is thus an oppertunisitic vote on Rhand. The question is: is it too obvious? Grape's better scum than that, isn't he?
Eco:
Eco goes here because his posting has been reasonable, I can generally follow the logic, and there was a bit there in our questioning of Ignoramus that he was on the same page thought processwise. I also kind of like that he's analyzing the focus on himself. He also does what I do in that he attacks the problem from several sides (see 371, where he tries to get Axel to analyze his townreads that are scumreading him) which usually shows a genuine attempt to solve a puzzle he doesn't have all the pieces to.
I will say I disagree with 384, saying that Axel's long post about Eco vs. Igno is possibly negatively relevent to Axel's alignment. Specifically he says it's a lot of words to say that Axel will do the same, but whether or not Axel would do that is not relevent to Eco's alignment.
Townish Vaimes:
So I'm rereading Vaimes and I don't hate him as much as I did. 167 seems a good attempt to poke Grape from odd angles, and is a fair analysis. I find myself agreeing with a good portion of his contentful posts (167, 282)and the ones I don't agree with (284,285) seem to have been arrived at naturally. My initial respose to not liking Vaimes was due to the fact that our reactions to things tend to be the same, and I felt like the incredulity in 350 in particular was out of nowhere and a bit too intense to be real.
Axelrod:
I'm not a huge fan of 311, where he says he says his list is similar to Vaimes barring Igno, but later when I ask him to commit to that he just says no. Normally I'd lightly townread such defiance but his response feels less "I haven't really thought about it" and more "I'm not going to commit on placement because i don't want to" which townie defiance would likely be more "you can't make me" or soemthing similar.
The read about Eco vs Igno is fair in 376. I can follow it, and it's not unreasonable. There' s a little bias in it, but it doesn't feel initially malicious.
I don't hate 536. The way he handled Rhand's post feels natural, as if he actually had those problems with it.
Actually, if I'm putting too much emphasis on the defiant non-commital in 311, I kind of... don't hate what else he's been doing.
TerRaine:
I still think, even though she's claimed that it's within her personality, the push on Eco is natural. It likely comes from a place of not knowing his alignment.
The list in 327 is a bit superficial, but maybe not unreasonable.
The fact that she's done a major push on two of my townreads is a thing I'm noticing though.
It also is worth noting that despite her having the highest postcount at the moment, I have the least confident read on her. That's kind of in the back of my mind rn but I'll leave her in town because genuine.
Null ZDS:
I can kinda make sense of his read on Ignoramus in 140, and it's a nice train of thought in terms of possible determining motive. I think that depends on Ignoramus's alignment though, as it's not as objectively true as I'd like it to be. He's thinking outside the box, which is good. I just worry that this type of read is the kind of obscure off the wall read that can be used to recolor scummy behavior to be town. Though, I think if the read was made sincerely, it's likely accurate.
The complete flip on Eco in 469 is fine though. It's similar to the read on Igno, but was predicated with ZDS up his Brexit up to then, which would be counterproductive because he could have easily gotten Eco executed if he wasn't careful. It's not out of [Eco/ZDS] range to distance/bus like that, but if it was theatre wouldn't Eco recipricate?
But then he votes Eco again in 538 and I hate it. It's completely unconnected to his other thoughts on Eco. The read just kind of materialized after an ISO. It makes sense, but Jack's posting being NAI is subjective and I wish ZDS would have questioned Eco a bit more on this before hardjumping on him if this was real. BUT I could logically see that read coming from an ISO. I'm just not a fan of his progression not having a trail here.
The position that Rhand is townish for not being able to figure out what to do feels like a bit of a softball, and I disagree with it.
Highroller:
He hasn't done much this game, but Elderlings just ended so I'm not willing to commit to a read on this slot just yet. I was hard scumreading him for Not Being Town, but he was and apperently that's just what he does. My earlier townread was a bit because I was scumreading him in Elderlings and I could follow his thoughts slightly better here than I could there, so, different play=different alignment, right? Since that's not the case, I don't wanna jump to any conclusions here, and want him to do more before I form a solid opinion.
One sidenote: One thing that may point to a town HR is the "currently listening to" music blurbs. If it's not role related, it might point to a relaxed, carefree HR this game, but I'm not confident in that this early in the game.
Ignoramus:
So originally, I had a noob town read on them, but they're not noob enough for that read to be relevent.Their playstyle is, by admission, generally scummy (shallow, weak reads) so I can't really read that as AI for them. Thus there's nothing REALLY telling in their posts, though I have the weirdest feeling they're trying to pocket me. From the gut/persisting townread on me out the gate to copying my list style. It's not super solid, but also I don't think it's completely baseless either.
I specifically don't like how they flipped on Eco and Axel in 456 because the read on Axel is based on someone else's read. and the Eco read doesn't make a whole lot sense to me, but again, maybe this is just a thing they do. I'd like to take more time and do research into their other games to see how much of this is normal/AI for them. I don't wanna fall into the trap I fell into in Elderlings where I read HR as Scummy In A Vacuum and didn't check to see if that was normal for them. I'm not gonna let this all go forever, but since they claim they thrive off of wolf spew, I'm willing to let them live a bit to maybe last long enough for a wolf to die to see what they do with that.
Scummy Sloth:
He hasn't really done anything. He says he wants to put as little effort into this game as possible, true, but still. He's blankvoted Rhand, and hinted that me and possibly Grape are scum because... theatre revolving around the daykill mix up? It's unclear.
The one thing I found noteworthy is that he stubbornly hugged his scumread of Rhand when I asked him to analyze whether or not a quick wagon popping up (even at Rhand's own behest) would, in a vacuum mean anything to his alignment, and instead of taking it into his analysis, he ignores it, claiming that "context matters". While that's true, it still makes sense to look at all angles, and his reluctence to do that is scummy to me.
Jackarito:
Jack has some big posts, which is good. I'm seeing him describe Igno as a "big red flag" and HR as "not a big fan of" but in the following post he votes HR because it's more recent. I feel like that language doesn't match the vote, and I feel like they should have added to the pressure already there on Igno instead of pushing somewhere else. It may well be a vanity scumread on Igno while pushing away on a townie. This is possibly compounded by the fact that in 451 they admit they might be wrong on HR, but don't actually make the decision on where to move the vote. Then he goes back to it in 540 where he's still scumreading Igno, but not voting for either now. I sense the scumread on HR is actually fake, though whether or not this is actually "pushing away from a buddy" or "latching on to executable town" is still up in the air.
Scum: Rhand:
Rhand starts off the game fluffing, like the rest of us do, though that's unusual for him I think... enough so that it's worth commenting on but not enough to assign as alignment telling. I still dislike that he decided to complain and flail instead of trying to do anything. I'm specifically against the fact that the one thing he DOES do to drum up content (asking us to vote him) he doesn't even analyze. I can't see Rhand asking us to vote him without a plan to analyze afterward.
I believe that he didn't grasp the subtle context of 'townread vs. read' regardless of alignment. The timing of it might be suspect as he was under pressure to have reads, but for now I'm gonna throw that in the NAI category
His reads list in 346 doesn't mention any of his nulls, nor Grape, nor Terraine. He later says that Grape is a 'total gut read' when Grape asks him. I get that he was rushing, but wouldn't he logically have said that after he said me and Eco were town in his list?I guess that's not super telling, given I don't actually know how much of a rush he was in.
Then he tunnels on Vaimes for a while, which is NAI.
I kinda like his take on Sloth though, that despite his postcount, he is low content. I also had this though.
However, 429 is a weird post. He's interacting with someone he believes to be town, but the post goes from "my reads aren't strong, you might be paranoid" to a series of accusatory questions that I'm not sure are asked of a townread generally. Also of note here, I don't think scum!Rhand makes this post to scum!Eco. The progression from just answering Eco to "maybe you're paranoid" to "why you do scummy things" don't make sense in that context, nor from a logical progression perspective.
Colorful List Grape/Eco/Vaimes/Axel/TerRaine
ZDS/HR/Igno
Sloth/Jack/Rhand
Note: ZDS is gray because despite all he's done, I keep not being able to come down on one side or the other. HR and Igno I could come down, but want to wait to see what they do later.
like, I was on the right track for most of the scumteam. I lost it after D1 though.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Also sorry I tunneled you!
This is a good hint about my scum play, I tend to struggle to pressure people that I know are town so normally end up resort to bussing, not something I'm proud of but is something that happens. A lot of town were playing really good games also which made it harder to push you all. Lucky for me my teammates bussing me back so heavily gave me a good town spot, then the good old town paranoia of each other took over which was helped by speed kills. If I was more in my prime scum days I would have the confidence to push back on people more, but those days are long gone.
You had me sweating day one though your push on me while I think was wrong for the reaosns you gave, it put pressure on me I did not want at a time when my team was under pressure and others had me in their sights. Axel saved me big time when he got you to back off. Then I just took adv of the rhand kill and lived off that.
This is very true death tunnelling rarely works, but in some cases like with Eco this game it can. I have had a lot of experiances of this both ways as Matter game showed.
Also, here's Eco giving me advice on the subject of tunneling. Post 110
You killed without even letting the condemned person get off a single post.
AGAIN
JFC
No, I'm not bitter....
It was also a super risky game that probably shouldn't have worked, but then there were some pretty unfortunate actions that happened after.
It's over. Live and learn.
In fairness, I really should have unvoted instead of just said "let's wait for ZDS."
I was SO sure Jack was town. For reasons I can't even explain honestly.
Thanks for the game, Cantrip. I enjoyed the set-up. Was fun (mostly!)
Remember what happened here, and try not to repeat it.
It takes a while to get out of the mindset of "this is the way things are, we don't need to examine further." when you're sure. Eventually you see that the thing you were sure of was wrong more often than not.
Anyway, fun game. Thank you Cantrip.
I feel for ZDS. He’s becoming a popular final mislynch
Thanks for the game Cantrip, the setup was a bit of a mess but it didn't really have much of an impact on the outcome.
Don’t worry bout giving me access. Thanks and thanks for the game
On the other hand, one thing I can’t immediately let go was the constant attempt to skip the actual discussion part of the game [where the teamwork happens] in favor of just quickly flipping people until MyLo, and then flipping some more. I don’t know why it manifested in a mini of all setups, which naturally has shorter-than-standard deadlines for MTGS. It’s neither fun nor fair, and that needs to be addressed regardless of who wins. And I’m *****ing about it now because I don’t want it to happen again, to anyone, ever.
For example, with time to reread, someone might have noticed that Axelrod crumbed his flavor with his gifs, and that would out the scum who tried to claim his flavor.
This isn’t even directed at you specifically. I’m just as guilty with putting Grape in hammer range so early, I know what it feels like to think “yeah the game is basically over who cares.”
Tbh when asked to claim I took so long because I was iso Axel to see if he hinted at it. Eventually I realized though neither Sloth or Ter cared enough to check so just went with it
It's so easy to complain how terrible everyone is playing after you are dead and know everything.
Sorry if I made it too personal TerRaine. Not intentional.
truth be told this is on me for thinking "minigame" was on par with "microgame"when I signed up and for jumping the gun once I thought I was right.
I should really work on that.
I would have killed anyone before I killed Jack this game and didn't care to revisit it. I ****ed up badly.
Sorry - but I am super glad this game didn't end up being by-the-numbers as it appeared it was going to be originally.
I have no idea why you townread me though, it's not like I took your side in anything. I wanted you dead half the game
Just kidding, I actually disagree (to an extent). In the context of how this game was going, taking our time to hear Grape or me would not have made much of a difference, other than causing pointless and boring lulls.
The entire point of the Day phase is to debate. Argue why you think it's better to flush Player A than Player B. Agree with Player C and disagree with Player D. This keeps town invested and forces scum to take stances.
But what if the town hubristicly decides they will win by randoflushing in the POE and there is no need to debate? Then there's no need to take it slow either. You are only going to miss some memes.
This game's result was the logical conclusion of that town hubris, and of a fantastic display of effective distancing by the scum team Day 1.
So congratulations scum, especially Jack for a tight performance, and boo town, except Eco and Axel you guys did ok.
I personally have the opposite issue, in spite of what it may seem. I have no certainty about anything, I can see anyone as either town or scum, so I pick arbitrary criteria that I think make sense to try and sort players. Then I go all in gambling on them. Sometimes it works relatively well, and sometimes like here I am the worst analyst of all times.
This is why I don't want to be alive in FloF (unless I'm town-cleared or whatever), I don't have the WIM to struggle.
Town
Ecophagy, Top Gun, Town Ascetic Vigilante
Axelrod, Back to the Future, Town Vengeful Roleblocker
Slothful, Who Framed Roger Rabbit, Town Shutoff Miller
Grapefruit21, The Empire Strikes Back, Town Mirror
gooLagoon, Stand by Me, Town Deathcop
ZeDorkSlipeur, Ferris Bueller's Day Off, Town Target+Self Rolestopper
ignoramus, E.T., Town Bodyguard
Killjoy, Beetlejuice, Town Investigator
TerRaine, Never Ending Story, Town Gravedigger
Mafia
Rhand, Robocop, Mafia Gifter
Jackrito, Predator, Mafia Rolethief
Highroller, Nightmare on Elm Street, Mafia Strongman
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Roles
Game musings to follow...
(This link is to my One Card Down server, which has spec chats from multiple ended games.)
like, I was on the right track for most of the scumteam. I lost it after D1 though.