As of post #1276, Grapefruit21 has been ejected! He was:
The Empire Strikes Back, Town Mirror "Stopped they must be; on this all depends. Only a fully trained Jedi Knight, with the Force as his ally, will conquer Vader and his Emperor. If you end your training now - if you choose the quick and easy path as Vader did - you will become an agent of evil."
Strike Back: Once per game, at Night, you may choose that all abilities that target you this Night instead target the player that used the ability.
So...what have we learned?
Clearly that we're all wrong.
Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice: Once per game, at Night, you may target a player; you will be told if that player has an ability and if it is "investigative", "protective", or "other". You may use this ability only if three other players have quoted you in the previous Day.
Jesus Christ, Cantrip, were you on PCP when making this role?
Also, I think I'm missing it? Unless you mean that Goo targeted you with his ability which isn't a claim.
Also why would Goo target you, that's so weird.
I'm Ferris Bueller's Day Off:
Role: Rolestopper, I turn my target and myself into ascetics for the Night.
Targets: Nobody N1, No one N2.
Why: Because firing blind could mean preventing an investigation or a protection.
Now, on ZDS: I'm Beetlejuice, Town Ability Investigator.
I have a one shot that tells me the classification of a player's role: cop-ish, doc-ish, or not-either-ish (paraphrased). Unfortunately he came up the third result,
We know for a fact KJ's claim was true ergo so are his results.
Unless you or Jack wants to pop up and tell me why a protective role isn't showing as protective on a town ability check....I don't see how its not obvious
Unless you or Jack wants to pop up and tell me why a protective role isn't showing as protective on a town ability check....I don't see how its not obvious
Because KJ had he information you just got at soD the entire game and seemed to think ZDS's answer was plausible, or, at the very least, did not warrant immediate suspicions
Yeah my role isn't really powerful, but it is investigative so it has some utility. Like I said if ZDS had been anything but the result* I got it would clear him, or it can catch someone in a lie if they lie about their role.
This essentially reads "yeah my results did not clear ZDS as I hoped."
But if the results had been damning, do you maybe think that he would have said so?
Also, why aren't you claiming? Seriously. We are at LyLo, and it's actually important. Do you have a reason not to claim? Because I'm here to tell you that no you don't. Game's over after toDay so no need for secrecy.
I don't know why it didn't bother KJ. Maybe cause like me (until I looked it up today on mafia wiki) he didnt realize that rolestopper is considered a protective role.
Claim your role in clear terms: Are you a gravedigger? Are you a vig? Did you kill KJ? Did you target Axel's corpse? What is your flavor?
Etc.
Also confirmed with Cantrip that he would only consider a role that prevented killing effects from occurring to be "protective". Therefore, Ascetic would not necessarily count, as it does not do that.
KJ had all that information and didnt seem to disbelieve ZDS's claim.
Speaking of. Claimmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Why is Jack so uninterested in this game.
Not uninterested more expected it to be over by now, now we are in a final 4 I need to take this more serious again. I gave my thoughts each day and did not expect you all to end yesterday so fast.
KJ had all that information and didnt seem to disbelieve ZDS's claim.
Speaking of. Claimmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Why is Jack so uninterested in this game.
Not uninterested more expected it to be over by now, now we are in a final 4 I need to take this more serious again. I gave my thoughts each day and did not expect you all to end yesterday so fast.
Jack convince me of your towniness and let us bromance our way to victory.
We're at MuskLo.
We're at MuskLo and Ter's one of the options and I'm town that has to figure out her alignment.
This is the nightmare scenario.
I guess we could no yeet but that's boring so I won't.
Ter, claim.
I'm not joking, do it now. I'll go immediately after, barring something. But claim. Now.
No yeet could be the right option but it is also the dirty one and not something I like to win by normally, I likely die if we do also which will be annoying as hell to scream in spec chat on the last day so rather end it today my way.
You've gotten into my heart already, Jackie-boy
Agreed.
What do you think of Ter's... ....claim....? I want to say it's a claim but nothing she's saying makes sense to me.
Also do you think Goo would have targeted her with his ability?
KJ had all that information and didnt seem to disbelieve ZDS's claim.
Speaking of. Claimmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Why is Jack so uninterested in this game.
Not uninterested more expected it to be over by now, now we are in a final 4 I need to take this more serious again. I gave my thoughts each day and did not expect you all to end yesterday so fast.
Jack convince me of your towniness and let us bromance our way to victory.
Or snow me. Either way, let's do this.
You know I don't like to try and force the world view on people I'm town, I prefer to be judged off my own play and get my town reads off merit. Why should I see you as town though the only reason would be you voting Rhand so early but hard for me to give you merit for that like you want me to. The HR thing is more in your favor but man pretty much killed himself. I also did not like the way you were trying to speed run the last 2 days which has put us in this spot. That all being said I do find your effort today as town as scum I think you would just Pocket Ter and not push her this way and just try to convince me to vote ZDS which would be the easier sell.
You've gotten into my heart already, Jackie-boy
Agreed.
What do you think of Ter's... ....claim....? I want to say it's a claim but nothing she's saying makes sense to me.
Also do you think Goo would have targeted her with his ability?
I think it makes sense tbh, this could be biased though since she was a pretty top town read for me the entire game. I can see her being impatient, and taking the first role available and vig is a good option and saved us miskilling KJ today which we were def going to do. I think if scum she would kill me and just have you and KJ fight it out. Its possible she kills KJ as scum because easy to hide behind it as a vig shot, but I don't feel that would be the optimal play personally, you kill the more town read people and let others fight it out.
Also since last scum is likely a janitor or something similar based off Axel flip, and also highly unlikely town had 2 vigs for many reasons. This means that she is likely telling the truth and should be clear here unless I'm being dumb and missing something.
So that leaves me ZDS and Sloth. Sloth was really low for me before this, but his play so far today is good, and ZDS has not really been great this game especially compared to my other exps with him as town. His end of day voting to try and force it on Eco over Rhand, if I remember right is espically bad. He fooled me badly in Prison so really don't want another repeat of that which is semi making me lean that way, which is a bad thing to admit lol. This is not somethign we should rush though.
Huh just figured out theres a tray for my laptop on this bike. Neat.
Ok. I was not actually impatient.
I waited til HR flipped to steal eco....I wanted to see if he was serious about being a strongman vig.
Since HR was FOS I stole defiled ecos corpse instead.
I was asking your yeet path for a reason sloth. I was telling you who I was targeting cause I was concerned about your crumbs D1 and didnt want us targeting the same person.
...ya know. Like Vaimes and I did instead.
I didn't go for Axel as i had already picked up a shot. Also had I not I probably still wouldn't have risked not getting anything/getting something useless.
You've gotten into my heart already, Jackie-boy
Agreed.
What do you think of Ter's... ....claim....? I want to say it's a claim but nothing she's saying makes sense to me.
Also do you think Goo would have targeted her with his ability?
Forgot to answer last bit, well I never got a message, he clearly did not trust you imo and likely he did check KJ. So that would leave ZDS as the only other person he could send message to. Which also seems not true imo. So yes I think Goo did send it to her.
...wait, you also take the ability of whoever you dig up???? That is nowhere in the description of the role. How the hell was I supposed to know that?
And @Jack based on your comments, you readily accept that/expected it? Was that a regular part of the gravedigger role that I forgot? 'Cause if so, I guess I definitely did.
You've gotten into my heart already, Jackie-boy
Agreed.
What do you think of Ter's... ....claim....? I want to say it's a claim but nothing she's saying makes sense to me.
Also do you think Goo would have targeted her with his ability?
Forgot to answer last bit, well I never got a message, he clearly did not trust you imo and likely he did check KJ. So that would leave ZDS as the only other person he could send message to. Which also seems not true imo. So yes I think Goo did send it to her.
Could have sent it to KJ and checked someone else.
But yea, I guess I do agree that it is unlikely, specially since she declared it immediately at the risk of being CC'd by any of us. Yeah, that part I believe readily.
KJ had all that information and didnt seem to disbelieve ZDS's claim.
Speaking of. Claimmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Why is Jack so uninterested in this game.
Not uninterested more expected it to be over by now, now we are in a final 4 I need to take this more serious again. I gave my thoughts each day and did not expect you all to end yesterday so fast.
Jack convince me of your towniness and let us bromance our way to victory.
Or snow me. Either way, let's do this.
You know I don't like to try and force the world view on people I'm town, I prefer to be judged off my own play and get my town reads off merit. Why should I see you as town though the only reason would be you voting Rhand so early but hard for me to give you merit for that like you want me to. The HR thing is more in your favor but man pretty much killed himself. I also did not like the way you were trying to speed run the last 2 days which has put us in this spot. That all being said I do find your effort today as town as scum I think you would just Pocket Ter and not push her this way and just try to convince me to vote ZDS which would be the easier sell.
Man, I just want the bromance back.
But yeah, I would love to hear you make an argument for me being scum and immediately rush my only two scummates two Days in a row. Like, we both know I could have saved either if I wanted to, at least for a Day. I know that I thrive on chaos, but I would never be so *****ty to my scummates as to treat them that way. That's jut not me as a person, that your AtE as you will.
Speaking of, my role. One sec.
(Jack, I want you to claim after me.)
...wait, you also take the ability of whoever you dig up???? That is nowhere in the description of the role. How the hell was I supposed to know that?
And @Jack based on your comments, you readily accept that/expected it? Was that a regular part of the gravedigger role that I forgot? 'Cause if so, I guess I definitely did.
And every site I check says Rolestopper is protective.
Technically my role is more grave robber but that's not how it was phrased to me. I mean in a game with flips gravediggers a useless as **** role otherwise.
I will remind you we did the same exact thing for Ryce's role in masquerade.
Oh…wait…
It WAS useful!
Now the question is do I believe Sloth bussed his whole team.
Or that ZDS is full of *****.
Sloth ya mind claiming for me?
So...what have we learned?
Clearly that we're all wrong.
We're at MuskLo.
We're at MuskLo and Ter's one of the options and I'm town that has to figure out her alignment.
This is the nightmare scenario.
I guess we could no yeet but that's boring so I won't.
Ter, claim.
I'm not joking, do it now. I'll go immediately after, barring something. But claim. Now.
(sorry I tunneled you, KJ.)
Loving it, though.
Also surprised you don't know given my confusion over roles names when you were asking about Janitor
Also, I think I'm missing it? Unless you mean that Goo targeted you with his ability which isn't a claim.
Also why would Goo target you, that's so weird.
Rolestopper is a protective role. His claim don't match with KJ's results of "other"
Speaking of. Claimmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Why is Jack so uninterested in this game.
We know for a fact KJ's claim was true ergo so are his results.
Other means ZDS lied.
But if the results had been damning, do you maybe think that he would have said so?
Also, why aren't you claiming? Seriously. We are at LyLo, and it's actually important. Do you have a reason not to claim? Because I'm here to tell you that no you don't. Game's over after toDay so no need for secrecy.
Etc.
Also confirmed with Cantrip that he would only consider a role that prevented killing effects from occurring to be "protective". Therefore, Ascetic would not necessarily count, as it does not do that.
Lovely.
Yes. No. Yes. No. N.E.S
Not uninterested more expected it to be over by now, now we are in a final 4 I need to take this more serious again. I gave my thoughts each day and did not expect you all to end yesterday so fast.
Yes.
Are you a vig?
No.
Did you kill KJ?
Yes.
Did you target Axel's corpse?
No.
What is your flavor?
N.E.S
Ok, you're Gravedigger, but not Vig. So, what's all this then:
...How did you kill KJ if you're gravedigger???
Why wouldn't you target Axel, the only unflipped role, as gravedigger, the only role capable of counteracting unflipped roles???
...Nintendo Entertainment System?
Nightmare on Elm's Street?
Non English Speaker?
Not Elsewhere Specified?
Never Ending Story?
Or snow me. Either way, let's do this.
No yeet could be the right option but it is also the dirty one and not something I like to win by normally, I likely die if we do also which will be annoying as hell to scream in spec chat on the last day so rather end it today my way.
Agreed.
What do you think of Ter's... ....claim....? I want to say it's a claim but nothing she's saying makes sense to me.
Also do you think Goo would have targeted her with his ability?
dug up eco and took his *****
You know I don't like to try and force the world view on people I'm town, I prefer to be judged off my own play and get my town reads off merit. Why should I see you as town though the only reason would be you voting Rhand so early but hard for me to give you merit for that like you want me to. The HR thing is more in your favor but man pretty much killed himself. I also did not like the way you were trying to speed run the last 2 days which has put us in this spot. That all being said I do find your effort today as town as scum I think you would just Pocket Ter and not push her this way and just try to convince me to vote ZDS which would be the easier sell.
I think it makes sense tbh, this could be biased though since she was a pretty top town read for me the entire game. I can see her being impatient, and taking the first role available and vig is a good option and saved us miskilling KJ today which we were def going to do. I think if scum she would kill me and just have you and KJ fight it out. Its possible she kills KJ as scum because easy to hide behind it as a vig shot, but I don't feel that would be the optimal play personally, you kill the more town read people and let others fight it out.
Ok. I was not actually impatient.
I waited til HR flipped to steal eco....I wanted to see if he was serious about being a strongman vig.
Since HR was FOS I stole defiled ecos corpse instead.
I was asking your yeet path for a reason sloth. I was telling you who I was targeting cause I was concerned about your crumbs D1 and didnt want us targeting the same person.
...ya know. Like Vaimes and I did instead.
I didn't go for Axel as i had already picked up a shot. Also had I not I probably still wouldn't have risked not getting anything/getting something useless.
Forgot to answer last bit, well I never got a message, he clearly did not trust you imo and likely he did check KJ. So that would leave ZDS as the only other person he could send message to. Which also seems not true imo. So yes I think Goo did send it to her.
That is nowhere in the description of the role. How the hell was I supposed to know that?
And @Jack based on your comments, you readily accept that/expected it? Was that a regular part of the gravedigger role that I forgot? 'Cause if so, I guess I definitely did.
But yea, I guess I do agree that it is unlikely, specially since she declared it immediately at the risk of being CC'd by any of us. Yeah, that part I believe readily.
But yeah, I would love to hear you make an argument for me being scum and immediately rush my only two scummates two Days in a row. Like, we both know I could have saved either if I wanted to, at least for a Day. I know that I thrive on chaos, but I would never be so *****ty to my scummates as to treat them that way. That's jut not me as a person, that your AtE as you will.
Speaking of, my role. One sec.
(Jack, I want you to claim after me.)
And every site I check says Rolestopper is protective.
Technically my role is more grave robber but that's not how it was phrased to me. I mean in a game with flips gravediggers a useless as **** role otherwise.
I will remind you we did the same exact thing for Ryce's role in masquerade.