I think one of the reasons Rhand ended up being ejected was because one of the scum was absent. Had all three mafia been active, I think they would’ve managed to swing elsewhere.
After Grapefruit voted Rhand he didn’t show up again until Day 2.
I think one of the reasons Rhand ended up being ejected was because one of the scum was absent. Had all three mafia been active, I think they would’ve managed to swing elsewhere.
After Grapefruit voted Rhand he didn’t show up again until Day 2.
That developed fast I agree with Sloth that we are likely dealing with a Janitor ish role based off the last flip. So a mass claim won't help much and not something that should really be relied on. Add that to KJ overall play, him wanting the mass claim right after that kill and his day one push timing wise on me he should be the choice today properly.
Still not really behind Sloth though like I normally am though his play yesterday felt a bit anti spew and he is trying to speedrun today as well, I would expect him to take time a bit more, but that is something to worry about if the game does not end today.
I stand by my reads from yesterday as well because nothng really changed. I could end today here but I want Grape and ZDS to give their piece, also want to give KJ a chance to talk more.
I mean if you're gonna fake claim why wouldnt you at least go with another non horror/gritty title?
Who knows what scum are doing this game, it seems nothing they are doing is optimal based off how successful we are each day. It should be easy enough to pick a movie that is not horror, I suppose they is risk of CC, but even still it is better then picking stuff that does not fit.
Still not really behind Sloth though like I normally am though his play yesterday felt a bit anti spew and he is trying to speedrun today as well, I would expect him to take time a bit more, but that is something to worry about if the game does not end today.
To be honest, I'm not sure what you're expecting from me, but since we have time while waiting for Grape and Dork, wanna talk this out?
Anti-spew means I'm connected to the red flips right? I don't see where that's a feasible thing I pushed or hinted, tell me more.
As for speed-running the game, yep, I'm absolutely doing that. I've said since D2 until one of KJ/HR/Grape flip town, I don't see the point stretching the game forward, as nothing would change the discussion. Perfectly happy to burn through the Days and either win or get a wakeup call. @Cantrip though I do strongly advocate for shorter Night phases in that case.
I think it was Dork in the spec of Realms (where I was scum) that was going "why aren't people scumreading sloth for wanting to end the Day early, wasn't he against it in the past?"
Which just goes to show how little Dork knows how to read me: I haven't been interested in prioritizing the entirety of the Day be used in quite a while - I've seen town talk themselves out of the correct choice way too many times for me to like the idea, and I never have wanted it when the conclusion is obvious and certain (i.e. now).
"I agree with Sloth's thought that there's probably a janitor, and his general assessment of KJ's play and actions today."
"Sloth could still be scum tho."
Lol, come on now, Jack. What happened to our Matter Bromance? Did it mean nothing to you?
I wanted to post this yesterDay but didn't have time before hammer: in a Rhand/HR/X world (which we now know to be true), if I were "X" it would mean on Day 1 I defended my dying buddy while taking jabs / attracting negative attention towards my relatively safe one. This is only possible if I was actively trying to lose the game.
Despite now being town-cleared I am going to claim since KJ asks so nicely, I'm Ferris Bueller's Day Off:
Role: Rolestopper, I turn my target and myself into ascetics for the Night.
Targets: Nobody N1, No one N2.
Why: Because firing blind could mean preventing an investigation or a protection.
Anyway, my POE pool was Grape/KJ/Sloth/Ter. Three of these players have made clear efforts to scumhunt and figure out the game, while the other one only has one notable scum read and it's an unusually and extremely simplistic one.
The same player spent Day 2 tunneling me for not wanting Rhand dead while being paranoid he is wrong about everything (in response to the lack of traction his me-case was getting)... yet didn't change his reads.
See: pretty much all his Day 2 posts.
The same player has decided to scumread me regardless of whether this makes sense.
— He entered Day 2 with "a PoE of ZDS+[Sloth/HR/Ter]": a Rhand/ZDS/HR team makes no sense (see above), and Rhand/ZDS/Ter would have meant Ter and I 1) gangbanged Eco, 2) defended our buddy to the bitter end even though it could only attract negative attention towards us, 3) killed Eco to make sure 1&2 make us look even worse . Only Rhand/ZDS/Sloth would have made some amount of sense, mostly from lack of significant interaction between Sloth and I.
— According to him I "should have embraced the Jack pressure" because "saving a town read [is better] than foolhardily pushing a scum read". This makes no sense as I would then be sacrificing a town read to save another town read.
— He goes as far as to tie me to HR with no explanation given.
Relevant links: Nonsensical POE, "ZDS should have wagoned Jack" non-sense, tying me to HR (+bonus TMI?)
The same player, if you have been paying attention, had a townlean on HR and was nonplussed about flinging him into the horizon (including playing "devil's advocate" to defend his reaction to the red check, a great way to push pro-scum ideas without taking responsibility for them), yet we are supposed to believe he had him in his POE at Day 2 start.
Relevant links: "To play devil's advocate, Defending HR's reaction
If you haven't figured it out or clicked any link yet, the player I am talking about is Grapefruit. He is the player most likely to be scum #3. Kill me if I'm wrong, but I'm not wrong.
Vote: Grapefruit
I will now catch-up past the beginning of the Day.
(Preview edit: Sorry about the giant wall)
Despite now being town-cleared I am going to claim since KJ asks so nicely, I'm Ferris Bueller's Day Off:
Role: Rolestopper, I turn my target and myself into ascetics for the Night.
Targets: Nobody N1, No one N2.
Why: Because firing blind could mean preventing an investigation or a protection.
I wish you had read the rest of the game and saw the thread consensus that claiming at this time was unnecessary and should not be done before doing this, but sure. Do you, I guess.
Dork, your post is nice and all but trying to convince us all that Grape has a high chance of being scum is sort of a waste of time? We're all already there.
I just think KJ's more likely the correct one. Join us there (not now, wait till others have posted), and if it's wrong, then we go Grape.
Dork, your post is nice and all but trying to convince us all that Grape has a high chance of being scum is sort of a waste of time? We're all already there.
I just think KJ's more likely the correct one. Join us there (not now, wait till others have posted), and if it's wrong, then we go Grape.
He’s saying we should kill Grapefruit instead of Killjoy, your royal obnoxiousness.
But it’s chill.
Easy like Sunday morning.
After Grapefruit voted Rhand he didn’t show up again until Day 2.
Fair enough
Yes
Also cause it's nice I think I actually read you right for once.
Given this, do you still believe that it's unlikely mafia have this role?
The role I'm describing exist and it's usually mafia-aligned role. I can't remember its name.
Let's not get distracted though, that was speculation at most.
(Still paranoid of you actually. Just in case.
ALL of the flips so far have been flipped exactly as expected, so why would they have changed the larger picture in any way?
Eco/Axel's didn't
And like I said there was also a night phase.
@ter answer.
Eco's musings on rhand should have left zero doubt he was town honestly.
Answer, vote KJ, and go to bed.
(I'm serious, trust me.)
Good. Definitely vote KJ then. (And go the **** to sleep.)
vote KJ
Still not really behind Sloth though like I normally am though his play yesterday felt a bit anti spew and he is trying to speedrun today as well, I would expect him to take time a bit more, but that is something to worry about if the game does not end today.
I stand by my reads from yesterday as well because nothng really changed. I could end today here but I want Grape and ZDS to give their piece, also want to give KJ a chance to talk more.
Who knows what scum are doing this game, it seems nothing they are doing is optimal based off how successful we are each day. It should be easy enough to pick a movie that is not horror, I suppose they is risk of CC, but even still it is better then picking stuff that does not fit.
So let them say their piece then vote
Anti-spew means I'm connected to the red flips right? I don't see where that's a feasible thing I pushed or hinted, tell me more.
As for speed-running the game, yep, I'm absolutely doing that. I've said since D2 until one of KJ/HR/Grape flip town, I don't see the point stretching the game forward, as nothing would change the discussion. Perfectly happy to burn through the Days and either win or get a wakeup call.
@Cantrip though I do strongly advocate for shorter Night phases in that case.
I think it was Dork in the spec of Realms (where I was scum) that was going "why aren't people scumreading sloth for wanting to end the Day early, wasn't he against it in the past?"
Which just goes to show how little Dork knows how to read me: I haven't been interested in prioritizing the entirety of the Day be used in quite a while - I've seen town talk themselves out of the correct choice way too many times for me to like the idea, and I never have wanted it when the conclusion is obvious and certain (i.e. now).
"Sloth could still be scum tho."
Lol, come on now, Jack. What happened to our Matter Bromance? Did it mean nothing to you?
Despite now being town-cleared I am going to claim since KJ asks so nicely, I'm Ferris Bueller's Day Off:
Role: Rolestopper, I turn my target and myself into ascetics for the Night.
Targets: Nobody N1, No one N2.
Why: Because firing blind could mean preventing an investigation or a protection.
Anyway, my POE pool was Grape/KJ/Sloth/Ter. Three of these players have made clear efforts to scumhunt and figure out the game, while the other one only has one notable scum read and it's an unusually and extremely simplistic one.
The same player had the strangest progression on Rhand, calling the whole bunch of nothing that is 271 "good", then voting & unvoting him over the Jack's-readslist-confusion-thingie, shows explicit resistance to burying Rhand while having him as null, and finally does get convinced to vote him 1~2 days before deadline, as his last post of Day 1. If he truly considered Rhand merely "null", barely had any scumread at all, and had no issue voting over a fairly small detail, then why was he so reluctant to vote?
Relevant links: Apparently calling everything NAI is good-posting, quick vote and explanation and unvote, does not want to vote Rhand, null on Rhand (bonus: his only scumread is Sloth and is sheeped from KJ), defending Rhand (without calling him town), coming to terms with voting Rhand
The same player had a town-read on HR for nothing else than meta, when he is perfectly capable of townreading HR for non-meta reasons, and while HR was not playing like his usual town-self (who is nitpicky and laser-focused to an annoying extent).
Relevant links: Very superficial meta townlean on HR, defending HR (implicitly for meta) (bonus sheeping KJ's Sloth vote), more superficial meta read
The same player barely had any scumread Day 1 where he wasn't sheeping someone.
Relevant link: Only original """scumread""" I found
The same player spent Day 2 tunneling me for not wanting Rhand dead while being paranoid he is wrong about everything (in response to the lack of traction his me-case was getting)... yet didn't change his reads.
See: pretty much all his Day 2 posts.
The same player has decided to scumread me regardless of whether this makes sense.
— He entered Day 2 with "a PoE of ZDS+[Sloth/HR/Ter]": a Rhand/ZDS/HR team makes no sense (see above), and Rhand/ZDS/Ter would have meant Ter and I 1) gangbanged Eco, 2) defended our buddy to the bitter end even though it could only attract negative attention towards us, 3) killed Eco to make sure 1&2 make us look even worse
— According to him I "should have embraced the Jack pressure" because "saving a town read [is better] than foolhardily pushing a scum read". This makes no sense as I would then be sacrificing a town read to save another town read.
— He goes as far as to tie me to HR with no explanation given.
Relevant links: Nonsensical POE, "ZDS should have wagoned Jack" non-sense, tying me to HR (+bonus TMI?)
The same player, if you have been paying attention, had a townlean on HR and was nonplussed about flinging him into the horizon (including playing "devil's advocate" to defend his reaction to the red check, a great way to push pro-scum ideas without taking responsibility for them), yet we are supposed to believe he had him in his POE at Day 2 start.
Relevant links: "To play devil's advocate, Defending HR's reaction
If you haven't figured it out or clicked any link yet, the player I am talking about is Grapefruit. He is the player most likely to be scum #3. Kill me if I'm wrong, but I'm not wrong.
Vote: Grapefruit
I will now catch-up past the beginning of the Day.
(Preview edit: Sorry about the giant wall)
KJ's at L-1, btw.
I just think KJ's more likely the correct one. Join us there (not now, wait till others have posted), and if it's wrong, then we go Grape.