@Ter feel free to hammer, this game couldn't be more stagnant and we need more info.
Like, I can't believe I came back and the Day's still going. Seriously guys?
@Ter feel free to hammer, this game couldn't be more stagnant and we need more info.
Like, I can't believe I came back and the Day's still going. Seriously guys?
Will do so once people are about to make use of twilight posting
And there's like 15 hours until the deadline. Rhand would seem pretty much toast here, but there was definitely a lot of flailing at the deadline.
Killjoy will then make his push against Jack and vote Jack in #605. I'm not really evaluating that move right now, just noting it.
Highroller follows Killjoy onto Jack at #614. He says "I want Rhand to roleclaim" but nothing else about him.
Rhand's claim comes at #615. Robocop - Town Gifter.
Killjoy is the first to react to Rhand's claim. He doesn't express belief in it, or support for Rhand, he prods Rhand some more for his reads. And I can't help but feel that if Killjoy is trying to save his buddy at this time, he would have made some kind of point that the role doesn't make a lot of sense for scum, is verifiable, etc. He just doesn't do that. It does not feel like a buddy interaction to me.
Eco., who is voting Rhand, makes some of these points, but it's obviously not enough to get him to move his vote.
ZDS posts at #626 and is still pushing for an Eco. vote. Doesn't have a lot to say about Rhand, but is suspicious of the Jack counter-wagon, so that's good.
Vaimes posts at #632 and says nothing directly about the role-claim, just that his vote is not leaving Rhand. Rude if that's his scum-buddy.
I post at #644. I don't think the claim is good enough to not yeet Rhand over, but I'm still favoring Eco. I also say that I will review this case Killjoy is making against Jack to see if I think anything is there. That was all true, but make of it what you will.
TerRaine switches from me to Eco. at #646, which perhaps makes Eco the serious alternate. Says she is taking Rhand's claim with a grain of salt. I agreed with her criticism of Eco here.
Rhand finally places a vote, and chooses the Jack counter-wagon at #658. That has to be a good look for Jack, when Eco was sitting right there for him to hop. No reason to make the choice between yourself and your buddy if you don't have to.
Now, Eco and Jack each have 3 votes as potential alternates to Rhand still sitting at 5.
I had forgotten, but Jack Unvotes here - so that other vote I tallied for him wasn't actually the final vote. (I thought I had remembered his vote coming closer to the deadline.) Reason for the unvote seems to be mainly because he thinks the role is provable and could create problems for scum if true. Jack notably does not hop the Eco counter-wagon, however, because he still doesn't see Eco as scum, while recognizing that this makes him the actual Rhand alternate. No scum does this.
So, Jack Town?
My conclusion on Killjoy's Jack case comes at #680, and, pat myself on the back here because I don't see it. I tell Killjoy he should move his vote, and he seems to agree and unvotes Jack in #682.
Killjoy does not immediately hop the Eco. wagon, which is a plus, though he does seems to be prepping himself to vote that way in #685.
And now we're at 90 minutes to deadline. Rhand has 4 votes and Eco has 3.
Highroller, still voting Jack, does not pick a side, but asks that question in #690 about site-meta and Rhand's claim that I didn't care for.
TerRaine and ZDS still pushing for the Eco. yeet. Killjoy still waffling, but then comes down on the Eco side of things and votes Eco at #699. Which puts them both at 4 votes. I'm just all in on the Town-Killjoy read, I guess, because this still feels natural and legit to me.
Killjoy then asks me about my opinion of a CFD to Sloth, which, I decline, but I also just don't think is something a scum Killjoy who is voting Eco with scum Rhand on the line does.
I say I would switch to Rhand at #705.
Killjoy agrees we might have to switch if we can't get enough for an Eco lynch at #706.
So it's then, with about 10 minutes until the deadline, that Jack comes back with the actual
And I already said that I don't think the Rhand lynch happens without that. Technically, with Killjoy, myself and Highroller, we could have done it without Jack, but Killjoy and myself were expressing an Eco. preference and Highroller hadn't said.
Perhaps notably, Highroller posts at #717 and is still pushing the Jack-wagon.
Killjoy and I do a bit of deadline flailing here. 5 minutes, and I do not know the actual vote count, just that it's close, and I'm basically saying we have to vote whoever has more. It all this stuff here that also feels very town from Killjoy, like we were pretty much on the same wavelength.
(and Me! With the very important 8th vote at #729, missing the hammer by 2 seconds.)
Post-yeet spew doesn't tell too much. Vaimes asks if he should rescind his Cop claim now :evil:. TerRaine seems to think we shouldn't be posting at all. Is that a thing where you play? I've never heard of a game where the players were supposed to keep track of the votes and police themselves and stop posting once they think they have yeeted someone. How terrible would that be if they were wrong about the vote-count? It has always been that you can keep posting until the Mod. tells you to stop.
And that was it.
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Personally, that solidified where I already was, but didn't do much in terms of giving me greater insight into the remaining people in my POE.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Okay, Sloth, for the record, the way you’ve been acting this Day phase is not very fun. Consider whether getting your way in the way you’ve been doing it is worth turning people off.
I’ll vote sometime this evening, once I’ve had a chance to respond to KJ, and I think there was something else I wanted to do that I’m forgetting at the moment.
Sloth and Grape were absent Rhand voters at the end, and ZDS and TerRaine were strong Eco voters at the end.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
TerRaine seems to think we shouldn't be posting at all. Is that a thing where you play? I've never heard of a game where the players were supposed to keep track of the votes and police themselves and stop posting once they think they have yeeted someone. How terrible would that be if they were wrong about the vote-count? It has always been that you can keep posting until the Mod. tells you to stop.
Wasn't about the vote count. The day ended at 4PM. Thought that we were supposed to stop posting as the countdown clock had ya know....count down
Okay, Sloth, for the record, the way you’ve been acting this Day phase is not very fun. Consider whether getting your way in the way you’ve been doing it is worth turning people off.
Tbh, I am aware of that. That's why I'm not posting much right now, just kind of reading along and waiting for the yeet to finally happen.
Butttt, if you don't post after a long enough time and your only excuse is "I got nothing else to say, just waiting for them to take way too long to make the obvious choice" you kind of get understandably prodded into activity.
I'm seriously not trying to harp on it.
Do you have any questions for me?
Gold: TerRaine
Silver: Jackrito
Bronze: Tie, Rhand and Axelrod
So yeah, HR is still in anti-spew mode and fakes content by repeating old reads.
So far this is -ing.
The important information out of this is that Axel and Jack were both "scumread" by the two known-or-caught scum, including before the anti-spew started, so I'm adding Axel to the spewed-clear list (where Jack already is).
Thus is the crux of my problem with your slot, ZDS. Your reads COULD go anywhere, which is a place scum like to be in and town generally don't naturally arrive in. It's a thousand posts in and you don't have any hard stances.
Are you willing to commit to a read anywhere at all? You've made arguments for where scum can't be, so where ARE they?
You are being unfair.
YesterDay, my scum reads were Eco, HR, and for a short while Axel-instead-of-Eco. Eco is dead, HR is about to be, and the Axel read came from a misunderstanding. Is it that surprising I don't have another scumspects queued up?
Furthermore, there is no reason to single me out for not having strong non-HR scumreads. Off the top of my head I can only think of Sloth, Grape and HR himself having those. Ter and Goo are sheeping Sloth, and Axel, Jack and you yourself all "could go anywhere".
And third, have you heard of our Lord and Saviour POE? Clearing players is useful, it's not like I'm pulling an Highroller and putting nothing new on the table.
In conclusion if you want to scumspect me for opposing the Rhand wagon it's fine, but that argument is horse*****.
(When I have reads I('ll) let it be known. I have not been shy about speaking my mind so far, I am not going to start now.)
I'm leaning the third is ZDS atm. He hasn't really committed to any reads 1000 posts into the game, and now he's making an argument that it's dangerous to look at the Eco wagon for scumspects, which mostly just precludes him (and a little Ter).
Please tell us, what do you plan on doing if/after I die and flip town? Will you press the eject button on Ter's seat, looking for the scum you apparently believe there had to be in the Eco wagon? And if she flips town, who will be next? Axel? Goo? How long do you plan on chasing that wild goose?
While you are at it, why don't you also tell us why you seem so confident we should "look at the Eco wagon for scumspects"? I think my analysis using wagon dynamics and known-or-caught scum behaviour was pretty solid, do you have anything other than a vague assumption?
Okay, Sloth, for the record, the way you’ve been acting this Day phase is not very fun. Consider whether getting your way in the way you’ve been doing it is worth turning people off.
I’ll vote sometime this evening, once I’ve had a chance to respond to KJ, and I think there was something else I wanted to do that I’m forgetting at the moment.
Sorry Vaimes I'm partially to blame too with my *****ing.
I just feel like we're stretching this out and going in circles when we have the option to get new info added to the pool and get rid of a scum player
Well, I did what I was going to do, so I am ready to vote anytime. Was there someone else who wanted to do/say something before we went to night?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I feel like everyone is leveling themselving in regards to ZDS. The level 1 play with a wagon like we had yesterday is that scum were working to keep it from going through. This happens all the time regardless of skill level. Yes bussing happens, but that doesn't mean you throw away classic mafia principles of wagon dynamics.
There is every chance I'm wrong (and I think I might have been very wrong about KJ and HR) but like ZDS absolutely deserves to be under scrutiny here.
Can you go deep into your read on me? From start to finish? I need to see if this recent paranoia is real.
Nope. My read on you is very simple and not going to be fleshed out toDay. EoD looks good (but not as good as I originally thought) for you that I'm never voting you toDay. The paranoia is my growing sense that my entire worldview is off and I should be sheeping Sloth. That's pretty much as deep as it's going to get before more flips since HR is the default and I'm tilting at my own personal windmill.
...Damn dude, if scum!you made this post, I don't nearly have enough respect for your scumgame. I want to townread this post for being so genuine. God damn.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Well, I did what I was going to do, so I am ready to vote anytime. Was there someone else who wanted to do/say something before we went to night?
ZDS kinda already commented on it, but I wanted Vaimes opinion on whether or not you were likely spewed town. I still want Vaimes to talk about it because I trust him more than ZDS.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I'm such an open book. I don't understand why anyone ever thinks I'm scum.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
YesterDay, my scum reads were Eco, HR, and for a short while Axel-instead-of-Eco. Eco is dead, HR is about to be, and the Axel read came from a misunderstanding. Is it that surprising I don't have another scumspects queued up?
I'm not criticizing you for not having any scumreads, ZDS. I'm saying reads of any type. You're not committing to many townreads either. The strongest townread I've seen from you is the Axel spew read. Specifically it's the only read that seems you really believe and is backed up with reasons. You had a few "gun to your head" reads D1 but those likely weren't confident (and one was Rhand town) and you appear to have come to Jack town D1, but... the other strong reads you have are mine (Jack and Goo spewed town) and the conscientious HR scumread. You haven't narrowed the PoE nearly as much as I'd like you to have if you were trying to solve the game.
Also, like, when you said "it's dangerous to look at the Eco wagon for scum!" you never followed through. That means there's scum... where? The Jack wagon? If you think HR is scum, and Rhand was scum, am I scum since the Jack wagon was the three of us? Or is it the Rhand wagon? Sloth kinda just parked his read there. Do you believe he caught Rhand for the reasons in his post? Is that post TMI?
You're not trying to narrow things down. Not really.
Furthermore, there is no reason to single me out for not having strong non-HR scumreads. Off the top of my head I can only think of Sloth, Grape and HR himself having those. Ter and Goo are sheeping Sloth, and Axel, Jack and you yourself all "could go anywhere".
Again, not my argument. Also my PoE is pretty well defined. Jack/Goo/Axel spewed town, Sloth probably doesn't care enough about this game to be scum (that's new, haven't vocalized it yet), HR is scum. I have a weak townread on Ter. PoE is you and Grape, in that order. Importantly, my posting has been TRYING TO NARROW IT DOWN. Honestly Ter might be in the same boat as Sloth, though not as much.
And third, have you heard of our Lord and Saviour POE? Clearing players is useful, it's not like I'm pulling an Highroller and putting nothing new on the table.
In conclusion if you want to scumspect me for opposing the Rhand wagon it's fine, but that argument is horse*****.
(When I have reads I('ll) let it be known. I have not been shy about speaking my mind so far, I am not going to start now.)
I think my argument is completely fair, ZDS. You haven't committed to a whole lot steadfastly this game. I don't understand the offense.
I'm leaning the third is ZDS atm. He hasn't really committed to any reads 1000 posts into the game, and now he's making an argument that it's dangerous to look at the Eco wagon for scumspects, which mostly just precludes him (and a little Ter).
Please tell us, what do you plan on doing if/after I die and flip town? Will you press the eject button on Ter's seat, looking for the scum you apparently believe there had to be in the Eco wagon? And if she flips town, who will be next? Axel? Goo? How long do you plan on chasing that wild goose?
Well, first thing I'd do is pour out a glass for you, homie. You seem to think that the minute Day starts I'll be gunning for your head. No, you're just the most likely scum in my PoE. First thing I plan on doing tomorrow is analyzing Rhand+HR interactions to see if that shows anything.
And speaking of Ter, if you think that scum is unlikely to be on the Eco wagon, then what of Ter? Are you townreading her because she was on the Eco wagon, and you think there's unlikely scum there? I feel like you haven't considered that even.
While you are at it, why don't you also tell us why you seem so confident we should "look at the Eco wagon for scumspects"? I think my analysis using wagon dynamics and known-or-caught scum behaviour was pretty solid, do you have anything other than a vague assumption?
I don't think there IS scum on the Eco wagon specifically, I'm just not discounting it, and I don't like that you're specifically making that argument. It would be like me saying there's not a third scum on the Jack wagon from D1, because that was me. I'd be clearing myself.
You have enough awareness to know this, I feel. Come on.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
ZDS kinda already commented on it, but I wanted Vaimes opinion on whether or not you were likely spewed town. I still want Vaimes to talk about it because I trust him more than ZDS.
ZDS kinda already commented on it, but I wanted Vaimes opinion on whether or not you were likely spewed town. I still want Vaimes to talk about it because I trust him more than ZDS.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
From all this *****ing and moaning about how slow this game is, I almost forgot that Day 2 started not even four full days ago. Save me.
This game is moving fine.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Although, I was serious. Are we waiting for someone who wanted something specific at this point? Just this?
I wanted Vaimes opinion on whether or not you were likely spewed town. I still want Vaimes to talk about it because I trust him more than ZDS.
Vaimes is almost lock-town now if what you're hoping is to get a better read on him. If you just want his take on me, then, ok I guess.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Cantrip probably going to use some excuse like “having a life” again. How lame.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
As of post #1126, Highroller has been ejected! He was:
Nightmare on Elm Street, Mafia Strongman "One, two, Freddy's coming for you.
Three, four, better lock your door.
Five, six, grab your crucifix.
Seven, eight, gonna stay up late.
Nine, ten, never sleep again."
Death by Dreams: Once per game, if you perform the faction kill, you may choose that any abilities that would prevent that kill instead don't. This does not affect redirection.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Sloth and Vaimes, my dudes, any insight you'd like to share? Y'all are 2 for 2.
Aside from the fact that Axel was probably their most logical choice for the kill based on how things are going?
I guess there's something to be said for his flip.
I kind of wonder if Igno was our only protective role given Axel wasn't protected, but then it could also be that there's a fair amount of viable protection target this game given that so many players are strongly town lol.
Also why are you asking what I think, I have made it plainly obvious since yesterDay lol.
You know my first thought about this flip is that there's a scum role in Mafia where when you kill your target, you also "eat"/"bury" them or something, meaning that no one but the killer finds out what their role was.
Which in turn would mean that the mafia player in question could claim that role safely if it came to that. So I guess I come into this looking to see which players try to subtly push the idea that we should claim-
I think we should claim today to up our chances of getting the last scum. I don't care when I claim as long as it's after ZDS.
Him first me second works fine.
Oh, cool.
Ftr, I'm not against claiming but I don't see why we need it toDay. The idea of catching the last scum without mass-claims in a 2-for-2 game is not even remotely unlikely.
If we do claim, KJ claims first though.
"Oh no, I want ZDS to claim first." Unless you give a good strong reason right now, I could not care less.
Like, I can't believe I came back and the Day's still going. Seriously guys?
Will do so once people are about to make use of twilight posting
Killjoy will then make his push against Jack and vote Jack in #605. I'm not really evaluating that move right now, just noting it.
Highroller follows Killjoy onto Jack at #614. He says "I want Rhand to roleclaim" but nothing else about him.
Rhand's claim comes at #615. Robocop - Town Gifter.
Killjoy is the first to react to Rhand's claim. He doesn't express belief in it, or support for Rhand, he prods Rhand some more for his reads. And I can't help but feel that if Killjoy is trying to save his buddy at this time, he would have made some kind of point that the role doesn't make a lot of sense for scum, is verifiable, etc. He just doesn't do that. It does not feel like a buddy interaction to me.
Eco., who is voting Rhand, makes some of these points, but it's obviously not enough to get him to move his vote.
ZDS posts at #626 and is still pushing for an Eco. vote. Doesn't have a lot to say about Rhand, but is suspicious of the Jack counter-wagon, so that's good.
Vaimes posts at #632 and says nothing directly about the role-claim, just that his vote is not leaving Rhand. Rude if that's his scum-buddy.
I post at #644. I don't think the claim is good enough to not yeet Rhand over, but I'm still favoring Eco. I also say that I will review this case Killjoy is making against Jack to see if I think anything is there. That was all true, but make of it what you will.
TerRaine switches from me to Eco. at #646, which perhaps makes Eco the serious alternate. Says she is taking Rhand's claim with a grain of salt. I agreed with her criticism of Eco here.
Rhand finally places a vote, and chooses the Jack counter-wagon at #658. That has to be a good look for Jack, when Eco was sitting right there for him to hop. No reason to make the choice between yourself and your buddy if you don't have to.
Now, Eco and Jack each have 3 votes as potential alternates to Rhand still sitting at 5.
I had forgotten, but Jack Unvotes here - so that other vote I tallied for him wasn't actually the final vote. (I thought I had remembered his vote coming closer to the deadline.) Reason for the unvote seems to be mainly because he thinks the role is provable and could create problems for scum if true. Jack notably does not hop the Eco counter-wagon, however, because he still doesn't see Eco as scum, while recognizing that this makes him the actual Rhand alternate. No scum does this.
So, Jack Town?
My conclusion on Killjoy's Jack case comes at #680, and, pat myself on the back here because I don't see it. I tell Killjoy he should move his vote, and he seems to agree and unvotes Jack in #682.
Killjoy does not immediately hop the Eco. wagon, which is a plus, though he does seems to be prepping himself to vote that way in #685.
And now we're at 90 minutes to deadline. Rhand has 4 votes and Eco has 3.
Highroller, still voting Jack, does not pick a side, but asks that question in #690 about site-meta and Rhand's claim that I didn't care for.
TerRaine and ZDS still pushing for the Eco. yeet. Killjoy still waffling, but then comes down on the Eco side of things and votes Eco at #699. Which puts them both at 4 votes. I'm just all in on the Town-Killjoy read, I guess, because this still feels natural and legit to me.
Killjoy then asks me about my opinion of a CFD to Sloth, which, I decline, but I also just don't think is something a scum Killjoy who is voting Eco with scum Rhand on the line does.
I say I would switch to Rhand at #705.
Killjoy agrees we might have to switch if we can't get enough for an Eco lynch at #706.
So it's then, with about 10 minutes until the deadline, that Jack comes back with the actual
5th vote:
And I already said that I don't think the Rhand lynch happens without that. Technically, with Killjoy, myself and Highroller, we could have done it without Jack, but Killjoy and myself were expressing an Eco. preference and Highroller hadn't said.
Perhaps notably, Highroller posts at #717 and is still pushing the Jack-wagon.
Killjoy and I do a bit of deadline flailing here. 5 minutes, and I do not know the actual vote count, just that it's close, and I'm basically saying we have to vote whoever has more. It all this stuff here that also feels very town from Killjoy, like we were pretty much on the same wavelength.
Killjoy will then place the
6th vote
at post #726. Which is followed immediately by Highroller with the
7th vote
At #728
(and Me! With the very important 8th vote at #729, missing the hammer by 2 seconds.)
Post-yeet spew doesn't tell too much. Vaimes asks if he should rescind his Cop claim now :evil:. TerRaine seems to think we shouldn't be posting at all. Is that a thing where you play? I've never heard of a game where the players were supposed to keep track of the votes and police themselves and stop posting once they think they have yeeted someone. How terrible would that be if they were wrong about the vote-count? It has always been that you can keep posting until the Mod. tells you to stop.
And that was it.
I’ll vote sometime this evening, once I’ve had a chance to respond to KJ, and I think there was something else I wanted to do that I’m forgetting at the moment.
Wasn't about the vote count. The day ended at 4PM. Thought that we were supposed to stop posting as the countdown clock had ya know....count down
Butttt, if you don't post after a long enough time and your only excuse is "I got nothing else to say, just waiting for them to take way too long to make the obvious choice" you kind of get understandably prodded into activity.
I'm seriously not trying to harp on it.
Do you have any questions for me?
So far this is -ing.
The important information out of this is that Axel and Jack were both "scumread" by the two known-or-caught scum, including before the anti-spew started, so I'm adding Axel to the spewed-clear list (where Jack already is).
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You are being unfair.
YesterDay, my scum reads were Eco, HR, and for a short while Axel-instead-of-Eco. Eco is dead, HR is about to be, and the Axel read came from a misunderstanding. Is it that surprising I don't have another scumspects queued up?
Furthermore, there is no reason to single me out for not having strong non-HR scumreads. Off the top of my head I can only think of Sloth, Grape and HR himself having those. Ter and Goo are sheeping Sloth, and Axel, Jack and you yourself all "could go anywhere".
And third, have you heard of our Lord and Saviour POE? Clearing players is useful, it's not like I'm pulling an Highroller and putting nothing new on the table.
In conclusion if you want to scumspect me for opposing the Rhand wagon it's fine, but that argument is horse*****.
(When I have reads I('ll) let it be known. I have not been shy about speaking my mind so far, I am not going to start now.)
Please tell us, what do you plan on doing if/after I die and flip town? Will you press the eject button on Ter's seat, looking for the scum you apparently believe there had to be in the Eco wagon? And if she flips town, who will be next? Axel? Goo? How long do you plan on chasing that wild goose?
While you are at it, why don't you also tell us why you seem so confident we should "look at the Eco wagon for scumspects"? I think my analysis using wagon dynamics and known-or-caught scum behaviour was pretty solid, do you have anything other than a vague assumption?
*COUGH* "updated state of the game" *COUGH* So yeah, HR is still in anti-spew mode and fakes content by repeating old reads.
Sorry Vaimes I'm partially to blame too with my *****ing.
I just feel like we're stretching this out and going in circles when we have the option to get new info added to the pool and get rid of a scum player
I really really shouldn't though.
Also, like, when you said "it's dangerous to look at the Eco wagon for scum!" you never followed through. That means there's scum... where? The Jack wagon? If you think HR is scum, and Rhand was scum, am I scum since the Jack wagon was the three of us? Or is it the Rhand wagon? Sloth kinda just parked his read there. Do you believe he caught Rhand for the reasons in his post? Is that post TMI?
You're not trying to narrow things down. Not really.
Again, not my argument. Also my PoE is pretty well defined. Jack/Goo/Axel spewed town, Sloth probably doesn't care enough about this game to be scum (that's new, haven't vocalized it yet), HR is scum. I have a weak townread on Ter. PoE is you and Grape, in that order. Importantly, my posting has been TRYING TO NARROW IT DOWN. Honestly Ter might be in the same boat as Sloth, though not as much.
I think my argument is completely fair, ZDS. You haven't committed to a whole lot steadfastly this game. I don't understand the offense.
Well, first thing I'd do is pour out a glass for you, homie. You seem to think that the minute Day starts I'll be gunning for your head. No, you're just the most likely scum in my PoE. First thing I plan on doing tomorrow is analyzing Rhand+HR interactions to see if that shows anything.
And speaking of Ter, if you think that scum is unlikely to be on the Eco wagon, then what of Ter? Are you townreading her because she was on the Eco wagon, and you think there's unlikely scum there? I feel like you haven't considered that even.
I don't think there IS scum on the Eco wagon specifically, I'm just not discounting it, and I don't like that you're specifically making that argument. It would be like me saying there's not a third scum on the Jack wagon from D1, because that was me. I'd be clearing myself.
You have enough awareness to know this, I feel. Come on.
Vote Highroller
Vaimes is almost lock-town now if what you're hoping is to get a better read on him. If you just want his take on me, then, ok I guess.
If it comes down to actually determining whether Axelrod is scum, that can be future!whoever's problem.
We can take our time tomorrow.
vote HR
Or maybe it just pardons the yeet? One or the other.
And the other is Judge.
"We're all going to die and they're never going to give me my license."
"You can be my wingman anytime."
Highroller (5): Jackrito, ZeDorkSlipeur, Slothful, gooLagoon, Grapefruit21
Killjoy (1): TerRaine
TerRaine (1): Highroller
Not Voting (2): Axelrod, Killjoy
As of post #1126, Highroller has been ejected! He was:
"One, two, Freddy's coming for you.
Three, four, better lock your door.
Five, six, grab your crucifix.
Seven, eight, gonna stay up late.
Nine, ten, never sleep again."
Death by Dreams: Once per game, if you perform the faction kill, you may choose that any abilities that would prevent that kill instead don't. This does not affect redirection.
Day 3 will begin shortly thereafter.
If you have a question for me, the most consistent way to quickly get my attention is to ping me on Discord.
It is now Night 2; please don't post here until Day 3 begins.
Long story short (too late), Axelrod has been ejected! He was:
Day 3 has begun.
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to eject!
Day 3 deadline is set for Wednesday, February 24th at 9:00pm MST: https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20210224T21&p0=75&msg=Feelgood 80's Movie Mafia Day 3 Deadline&font=cursive.
Curious.
Sloth and Vaimes, my dudes, any insight you'd like to share? Y'all are 2 for 2.
I stayed awake to see Day start but think I'll go attempt to pass out now.
I think we should claim today to up our chances of getting the last scum. I don't care when I claim as long as it's after ZDS.
Him first me second works fine.
VOTE: KILLJOY
I'll check in every now and again to avoid a prod, but this is where we should be going today.
@ me if you have any questions, I guess.
I guess there's something to be said for his flip.
I kind of wonder if Igno was our only protective role given Axel wasn't protected, but then it could also be that there's a fair amount of viable protection target this game given that so many players are strongly town lol.
Also why are you asking what I think, I have made it plainly obvious since yesterDay lol.Which in turn would mean that the mafia player in question could claim that role safely if it came to that. So I guess I come into this looking to see which players try to subtly push the idea that we should claim- Oh, cool.
Ftr, I'm not against claiming but I don't see why we need it toDay. The idea of catching the last scum without mass-claims in a 2-for-2 game is not even remotely unlikely.
If we do claim, KJ claims first though.
"Oh no, I want ZDS to claim first." Unless you give a good strong reason right now, I could not care less.