But why does scum!HR kill Igno over literally anyone townie?
Isn't the point that in this scenario he didn't? That he targeted Vaimes and igno died protecting him?
ET's flip specifically says "Prevent all kills that would target that player during that Night" It's not a bastard game and it's kinda bastardy to lie in a mod flip
Strongman should go through bodyguard. It does in most cases, that's the point of a strongman. I'll ask Cantrip though.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
We really need to solve ignoramus so the whole game doesn’t have to play “lhf or lurking scum” all of Day 2/3.
THAT'S the reasoning? You play against your supposed town win con and kill a player you're not scum reading because Vaimes' (a player you barely interacted with) expressed some urge to solve them?
HR: Ah yes. The player I believe has the actual ability to find out an alignment without a danger of misyeet/kill has expressed interest in a specific player. CLEARLY the most Towny thing to do is MURDER THE HELL OUT OF THE PLAYER FOR THEM.
Why would a town vig shoot a player not on their scum list?
Honestly, between the last two games I've been in, I've had an abysmal record at finding mafia. I thought I'd idiot-proof this by going after the person everyone seemed to agree needed a flip.
HR: Ah yes. The player I believe has the actual ability to find out an alignment without a danger of misyeet/kill has expressed interest in a specific player. CLEARLY the most Towny thing to do is MURDER THE HELL OUT OF THE PLAYER FOR THEM.
No need to worry ladies and vagoos, for I am here!
• Vote: Highroller (E-1) : Mainly because of the reaction to Goo's claim ("I trust the uncounterclaimed cop with a guilty result on me!"), also because I was scumreading him yesterDay and I want some vindication after the fiasco my other reads were.
Fun fact: Despite posting several times already, Highroller's only content toDay has been his claim. No reads, no opinions, just "kill me now". I kind of expect him to self-hammer to shorten the Day (little does he know I agree with Sloth we shouldn't let things drag on).
• I was expecting to get vigged last Night so I didn't do a full reread. I did reread the beginning of the game before Rhand started posting content, because I still believe scum-Rhand is capable of faking reads and content — which means he did not want to create content.
My conclusion is there is most likely little to no notable scum involvement pre-#271 (not to say they didn't post, but what they did post did not make an impact) and Rhand did not want to get in the way of our infighting and time wasting.
Also I agree with KJ(iirc) that Jack and Goo are spewed clear (independently of any cop claim).
I don't think there will ever be a safer bet than HR based on his reaction and his going into anti-spew mode, but I'm glad to learn I was (also) right yesterDay on that claim being a meme (or was it?... who cares).
I kinda had an inkling that Vaimes was not actually a cop. This situation reminded me of a recent Among Us game where my friend claimed my other friend vented, then when most of the votes were down, he says he didn't, he was just really confident.
ZDS: What do you think about Axel re:spew though? I was struggling there.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Also, Sloth also isn't a cop with a redcheck on me. If he did target me with something, IDK what he could have done to make him think I'm scum because of it.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I mean, that was meant as "in the world where he's a scum vig that didn't perform the factional NK" but I guess I can see that as an attempt to buddy Vaimes in that world.
Shooting Eco and the NK going elsewhere still makes more sense to me.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
ZDS: I had a question for you in my big post: which of the other folks pushing Eco is scum? It's very likely that one scum pushed Eco yesterday, and since you likely won't just admit it was you, who was it and why?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
As for ZDS: I read the eoD. What I saw was someone that was absolutely convinced they were right and would never second-guess it. Which fits with him as town. Him as scum is smarter, more flexible and more capable of diplomacy. A ssssssssssssssssssslippery snake as scum, a rock as town.
Sides, as scum he would have given up on Rhand way sooner. A 1-shot BP is not that useful if you're outted.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I got a similar vague answer when I asked what sort of notification you'd be given if you were redirected.
I'm not voting a un-counterclaimed cop. Feel free to hammer.
HR answer me.
Why would a town vig shoot a player not on their scum list?
I call absolute horse ***** on this being a feel good movie.
(Kidding. Also I said "possible", not guaranteed. I may also not be understanding fully. I'm tired and really should sleep.)
(Kidding!)
He seemed to be saying "because Vaimes said we need to solve that slot" which is bad.
Talk to me, Goose.
You have absolute power, Maverick. Yeeessss!
Highroller (3): Slothful, Grapefruit21, Jackrito
Not Voting (6): Axelrod, gooLagoon, Highroller, Killjoy, TerRaine, ZeDorkSlipeur
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eject!
Day 2 deadline is Thursday, February 18th, at 4:15pm MST.
Please inform me if there are any errors in votecounts.
If you have a question for me, the most consistent way to quickly get my attention is to ping me on Discord.
THAT'S the reasoning? You play against your supposed town win con and kill a player you're not scum reading because Vaimes' (a player you barely interacted with) expressed some urge to solve them?
Vaimes: I am a cop!
HR: I buy that!
Vaimes: REALLY wanna solve igno.
HR: Ah yes. The player I believe has the actual ability to find out an alignment without a danger of misyeet/kill has expressed interest in a specific player. CLEARLY the most Towny thing to do is MURDER THE HELL OUT OF THE PLAYER FOR THEM.
Honestly, between the last two games I've been in, I've had an abysmal record at finding mafia. I thought I'd idiot-proof this by going after the person everyone seemed to agree needed a flip.
I assumed after Vaimes posted this:
that he was admitting he wasn't really a cop.
Your words.
In case my point isn't clear.
You say that lying about your role is anti town AND you said if he wasn't a cop he'd have been counterclaimed.
While wanting us to believe you went on the word of someone who you thought LIED about their role to make your kill?
Where is everyone?
• Vote: Highroller (E-1) : Mainly because of the reaction to Goo's claim ("I trust the uncounterclaimed cop with a guilty result on me!"), also because I was scumreading him yesterDay and I want some vindication after the fiasco my other reads were.
Fun fact: Despite posting several times already, Highroller's only content toDay has been his claim. No reads, no opinions, just "kill me now". I kind of expect him to self-hammer to shorten the Day (little does he know I agree with Sloth we shouldn't let things drag on).
• I was expecting to get vigged last Night so I didn't do a full reread. I did reread the beginning of the game before Rhand started posting content, because I still believe scum-Rhand is capable of faking reads and content — which means he did not want to create content.
My conclusion is there is most likely little to no notable scum involvement pre-#271 (not to say they didn't post, but what they did post did not make an impact) and Rhand did not want to get in the way of our infighting and time wasting.
Also I agree with KJ(iirc) that Jack and Goo are spewed clear (independently of any cop claim).
I do not have a red check on Highroller. It was a bluff.
But if Sloth has actual mechanical evidence against Killjoy, then that might be the safer bet.
And if Sloth is fine with killing Highroller first, I’ll go ahead and vote unless someone is strongly opposed.
Define Strongly?
I mean...Robocop was gritty scifi violent action film.
They Live is a horror film
Strongly, as in, would rather keep the Day phase going to ask questions or whatever.
Great movie AND novella.
Some of his greats are non horror.
This one if particular was a draw for Stranger Things
ZDS: What do you think about Axel re:spew though? I was struggling there.
Also cause he's FOS and he still believed Vaimes' was a cop at the end of the day
Shooting Eco and the NK going elsewhere still makes more sense to me.
ZDS is still within range but line I said earlier his positioning is awkward for Rhands buddy.
ZDS: I had a question for you in my big post: which of the other folks pushing Eco is scum? It's very likely that one scum pushed Eco yesterday, and since you likely won't just admit it was you, who was it and why?
.....
I don't think Ter and Sloth are scum together this game.
Just kidding.