You of all people have no right to accuse anyone of clearing others too easily or ignoring HR's meta.
And yes, they are soft clears. Not strong, definitive clears. It's in the name. They are there for temporary POE until we get further evidence. What's your issue with that?
For the record I have a stronger (non-meta) town read on you because of that push: it pisses me off how wrong you are, but I think you are more likely to be town with a massive blindspot than malicious scum.
And can you actually answer my question about why HR is the only reacting so badly to the game mechanics? It's not a push against you.
"I think the thing is (or at least, the thing for me) is that you made such an entrance, tried to get/got us out of RVS, but then you were so quick to softclear people. But you haven't done anything with those softclears. If you limited your PoE to Rhand/HR/Poke then why didn't you ask any of us questions? Why not push those people, hey what do you think of XYZ. You made a lot of noise, that's good, but it doesn't seem like you're interested in furthering anything else. Perhaps this is throwing stones from a glass house and could be applied to anyone in this game - and this isn't to say that the burden of saving the town, eliminating COVID-19 and eating the rich all lies on your shoulders. But those softclears were *very* flimsy, as if you didn't want to consider those people (like, scum could def do what you softcleared those 3 for), but then you're also not looking at the remaining people. And when someone called this out, you resorted to a clapback ("you of all people have no right"). I don't see any initiative here after your entrance."
- Woodstock, 2021 (he's in a different timezone, he's visiting family for Christmas)
I started playing in 2006 and this is my first time seeing someone treat RVS like a holy time period where nothing telling can happen, and treat ending RVS like a blasphemy.
IIRC you started a while ago as well, I have no idea why you are acting like a newcomer who is taking the name "Random Voting Stage" way too literally.
Again, the entire point of RVS is for something to happen in it that puts an end to it. Because the first serious votes are based on RVS stuff, they are rarely great votes. Don't act like this is your first RVS ever.
Anyway, you are voting me for voting Rhand over #25, and your secondary scumspect is Grape who had a "scum ping" from that post and defended my vote-post as "solid".
What makes you so sure there was nothing to see in that post?
I will NOT take "because it happened in RVS" for an answer. It's a cop-out.
If Grape and me are scum for attacking #25, why aren't you treating Rhand as conftown? Why did you give your bronze medals to "Everyone else" rather than "Everyone except Rhand"?
You don't make sense.
Yeah, you're going to have to go back to your Intro To Scarecrow Making course in the coming year, because those are some terrible strawmen.
Your claim was that Rhand making a conversational post during RVS made him mafia. The correct answer is no, that's not a valid reason to think someone is mafia. Your post is completely baseless. Your mindset was clearly not one of good-faith analysis towards trying to find mafia, but instead trying to opportunistically hunt for someone to kill.
To reiterate, Highroller doesn't make sense. He is grasping at straws with his vote, and not taking the logical conclusion that if the push on Rhand at the end of RVS was scummy then Rhand himself must be town.
The more Rhand makes OK posts* the more I think HR TMI'd and attacked a push he knew was bad because he knew Rhand was town.
*(Though I'd like to see more reads and less theorycrafting from him)
... Are you being serious right now?
You're actually going to argue, "The only way Highroller could know my push was bad is if he's mafia!"
No, dude, we all know it because it's obvious. Your push was just THAT awful. It transparently had no logical basis whatsoever. Even people who think you're town agree with this.
You probably used that laughing Snoopy because you were waiting for an opportunity to use it, but it makes me want to lynch you.
Everything else we’re getting is just hedging.
Do you have a real opinion on anyone? Even a townread?
"Tbh I wouldn't call my #141 or #142 hedging, it's a unique perspective no one else made. Labeling that interaction as TvS, that's a real observation that can be furthered with more posts from either side. #143 was essentially open thinking but I'm down to expand on any of my reads in #151. Not that I have to be asked to provide content, but I feel like what I've put out since coming back to the thread after my inactivity, it's not shabby at all! Pearls of wisdom were shared. If you want to lynch me for being fun then Alexa play Sorry Not Sorry by Demi Lovato"
Woodstock, 2020 (he flies quick. And he LOVES Demi!)
@Pokechu: In the TvS interaction you feel happened between Highroller and Johnny, which one is town and which one is scum? #141 is directed against HR, while #142 leans more towards GJ being scum.
I said in those posts that at the time I wasn't sure which world I believed in more. I think now I believe in GJ being the scum more. HR's reaction could've been knee-jerk or defensive town. And I really don't like how GJ was just like "bronze feels awkward!" why? Empty shading essentially.
Like, both sides are weird in this interaction, GJ and HR. But ATM I think GJ was slightly weirder and I feel like there's at least one scum between GJ, HR, and ZDS and I think GJ fits better with ZDS than HR.
to clarify Woodstock (he aint clear sometimes, his mind a lil cloudy from the flight back)
it's nice that you're voting HR now, that's cool. But the basis for that IMO wasn't convincing (Grape as silver for instance), original Rhand+Wisp vote was surface-level depth and interactions w Rhand seem empty for him being your "big push" at the start. Perhaps because it was RVS so no one is going to solve the game anytime soon. So maybe I'm being preemptive here. I'll do another ISO before I move my vote anywhere. Keeping it on Grape now because I like him :^)
I felt a shift from these posts. I really did. Like, some sort of tonal shift.
Well, I mean, yeah. I made it pretty explicit. This feels like something someone who knows Grape is town would use as shade to then come back to later.
I felt a shift from these posts. I really did. Like, some sort of tonal shift.
Well, I mean, yeah. I made it pretty explicit. This feels like something someone who knows Grape is town would use as shade to then come back to later.
why would i come back to it later if i'm saying it now? LOL
I felt a shift from these posts. I really did. Like, some sort of tonal shift.
Well, I mean, yeah. I made it pretty explicit. This feels like something someone who knows Grape is town would use as shade to then come back to later.
why would i come back to it later if i'm saying it now? LOL
I felt a shift from these posts. I really did. Like, some sort of tonal shift.
Well, I mean, yeah. I made it pretty explicit. This feels like something someone who knows Grape is town would use as shade to then come back to later.
why would i come back to it later if i'm saying it now? LOL
?
I was referring to GJ.
But you were talking about Grape... I think we're both confused
But you were talking about Grape... I think we're both confused
Well, let's go back to the beginning.
GJ's posts rubbed me the wrong way because they felt like shade from someone who already knows that Grape is town. I completely disagreed with GJ's reasoning, as I believed that were Grape and ZDS both mafia, it would only be natural for Grape to distance himself from ZDS.
Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I want to at least note this for my own reference when I'm rereading the game.
Because "maybe I'm reading too much into it" is clearly a sign of overconfidence?
Like, it's very presumptuous and way too quick to solve. And I think the thing is, you could have this hypothesis, of course, but how Highroller is using it to actively put down GJ *without* supplementing this suspicion of GJ with additional evidence, is strange. He is consciously shading GJ but not taking it anywhere. Is he suspicious of GJ from these posts? IMO GJ's questions didn't warrant this level of shade from Highroller. This raises my eyebrow
But the second takes it to another level and presumes as if the answer is on a silver platter and all we must do is listen to him.
to this?
He is consciously shading GJ but not taking it anywhere.
Those are complete contradictions!
You can't say, "Whoa! Highroller's going way too far with this! GJ doesn't deserve this level of presumptuous suspicion!" while at the same time saying, "Highroller isn't taking his shade of GJ anywhere," that doesn't make any sense.
not to grandstand, but like as the god reader of GJ, I am like 99.9% sure, that dude is literally just a wolf
and I don't think anything outside of me being dead, will change that
unless he completely wows me in the next couple of days
I do not normally play like this anymore, but since this game is small, there isn't many directions to take
not to grandstand, but like as the god reader of GJ, I am like 99.9% sure, that dude is literally just a wolf
and I don't think anything outside of me being dead, will change that
unless he completely wows me in the next couple of days
I do not normally play like this anymore, but since this game is small, there isn't many directions to take
@GJ
come out and play please
Im phone posting from Michigan. It's also new year's eve. I won't be wowing anyone.
Also i can't mention things, but you'll forgive me for not taking you at the word of being a God reader of me.
not to grandstand, but like as the god reader of GJ, I am like 99.9% sure, that dude is literally just a wolf
and I don't think anything outside of me being dead, will change that
unless he completely wows me in the next couple of days
I do not normally play like this anymore, but since this game is small, there isn't many directions to take
@GJ
come out and play please
Im phone posting from Michigan. It's also new year's eve. I won't be wowing anyone.
Also i can't mention things, but you'll forgive me for not taking you at the word of being a God reader of me.
ya I'm just gonna ignore the latter half of this quote, this is clearly my first game back on this site, I don't know what you are talking about
and I am sad that you won't wow me yet, but you make a fair point. I tend to be oblivious to things like holidays and how they affect the playerbase
But you haven't done anything with those softclears. If you limited your PoE to Rhand/HR/Poke then why didn't you ask any of us questions? Why not push those people, hey what do you think of XYZ.
Rhand I was already (done) pushing, you and HR weren't posting.
Your claim was that Rhand making a conversational post during RVS made him mafia. The correct answer is no, that's not a valid reason to think someone is mafia. Your post is completely baseless. Your mindset was clearly not one of good-faith analysis towards trying to find mafia, but instead trying to opportunistically hunt for someone to kill.
Grape made a similar claim in #28, although he was cryptic at the time and did not expand on it until later. Is he scum for also not treating Rhand's post as merely conversational?
In fact, I would like you to spell out your Grape read without using your read on me as its basis.
You're actually going to argue, "The only way Highroller could know my push was bad is if he's mafia!"
No, dude, we all know it because it's obvious. Your push was just THAT awful. It transparently had no logical basis whatsoever. Even people who think you're town agree with this.
Lack of response regarding the missing logical conclusion that Rhand must be town noted.
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159 pings me as a townie reaction to BS. Hmm.
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Unvote, Vote: Pokechu
For coincidentially focusing his entire catch-up on the three bonking candidates (Johnny, HR, myself), coincidentially making us his top 3 scum, and coincidentially making me (who has the most votes) his top scum read. Such chained coincidences and such unoriginal thoughts can't be natural.
For all the fence-sitting, particularly in 141, 142 and 148.
For saying nothing about Rhand and Grape, and asking them question that are actually about the GentlemanDorkRoller trio (146, 149). Which somehow lead to them being town-read .
For having absolutely nothing to say to or about Whispy, other than mentioning him in passing when talking about me. He put him in 151 at what I assume is Null, so I'd expect to see more effort into figuring out the Whisper.
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If Pokechu flips scum I'll definitely take a hard look at Whispy, that lack of mention/interaction isn't organic. (I'm not chainbonking by the way, it is far from a foregone conclusion that if Poke is scum so is Whispy.)
All in all it's as if Poke had already decided what the readslist in 151 would look like and the entire point of the catch-up was to slide everyone into their predetermined slots.
There is no justification for why so much of his attention is focused on the bonking-candidates trio and no justification for putting Grape and Rhand higher than Whispy (or Whispy lower than them, same difference).
LMAO my 141 142 148 weren’t hedging. Go off though
maybe people just vote you because you’re suspicious.... that’s what we supposed to do right? LOL
Also incorrect to say I focused my entire catch up on my bottom 3 (I quoted Rhand and Grape) and even if I did, OK???????? I have a bottom three at least. it’s not like I’m saying “mmm idk everyone’s null ;( no feelings here come back D2” if you really have a question about a read ask
I don't really think anyone needs to worry about me atm lol. I'm just existing, not radiating towniness nor wolfiness. I'm good right where I am
If u want some thoughts you can ask me, in between my regular posts, which I'll probably spend some time talking about your new scum lean @ZDS, and Pokechu's posts in detail
Lastly, I think ZDS has given the best read of me so far, "He isn't playing like his wolf or town game"
It wasn't me, I believe you are referring to Rhand's #75
Hm did you just give Wisp a reason to townread me rather than taking the undeserved credit that no one was going to look back for anyways?
That’s not a scum mindset.
Back to the drawing board I guess.
Woodstock would like to comment that for having a macho man as your avatar this post was surprisingly weak.
I would (confidently) say that post from ZDS was NAI. It's not a "scum mindset" but it really doesn't have to be (or not be) to absolve someone of suspicion. Wisp maybe just had a surreal flatulence (brain fart) and typed the wrong name, either way it wasn't that much credit given to whoever made the observation that Wisp wasn't playing like either of his games. It's preemptive to loosen up on someone because they don't cap on an opportunity to steal a penny's worth of credit. NAI for ZDS but I'm not sure how I feel about you from this. Doghouse on fire I say it's a bad look but this is my $0.02, pearls of wisdom. Old dog and new tricks and all
OMGUS can be a natural adverse reaction to what you feel is an unfair attack, or it can be a calculated attempt to discredit both the attack and the attacker.
Which one do you think Rhand is doing?
I'm not going to jump at your throat if I don't like your answer... as long as you actually commit to a stance and stop the "on the one hand this, on the other hand that" dance.
I’m pretty sure the bolded means ZDS and GJ are unaligned.
Why do you say this? And to clarify: do you mean unaligned as not wolf/wolf? Also, since this was post #45, and there's been two new pages of content, do you still have this viewpoint? Do you think their townreads of each other (ZDS softclears GJ in post #78, GJ townreads ZDS in his interactions with you and also his readslist post #99) support them being unaligned?
I am more convinced by your argument over GJ's (wrt Grape/ZDS, which would be town or scum) and thought GJ's was strange. But not necessarily wrong or scummy. I do think GJ's townread of ZDS could be pocketing though (even though he said he doesn't pocket). Also think it's strange that ZDS came into the game hard hitting and believes he shifted us out of RVS but in #78 he quickly softclears three different players. Including himself, that's 4 of the 7 players. How do you make strides to solve the game when you can only suspect three players? Pings me. This is why I feel like there's pocketing on at least one side here.
It wasn't me, I believe you are referring to Rhand's #75
Hm did you just give Wisp a reason to townread me rather than taking the undeserved credit that no one was going to look back for anyways?
That’s not a scum mindset.
Back to the drawing board I guess.
Woodstock would like to comment that for having a macho man as your avatar this post was surprisingly weak.
I would (confidently) say that post from ZDS was NAI. It's not a "scum mindset" but it really doesn't have to be (or not be) to absolve someone of suspicion. Wisp maybe just had a surreal flatulence (brain fart) and typed the wrong name, either way it wasn't that much credit given to whoever made the observation that Wisp wasn't playing like either of his games. It's preemptive to loosen up on someone because they don't cap on an opportunity to steal a penny's worth of credit. NAI for ZDS but I'm not sure how I feel about you from this. Doghouse on fire I say it's a bad look but this is my $0.02, pearls of wisdom. Old dog and new tricks and all
You probably used that laughing Snoopy because you were waiting for an opportunity to use it, but it makes me want to lynch you.
Everything else we’re getting is just hedging.
Do you have a real opinion on anyone? Even a townread?
I haven't finished my posts yet, if that was all you were getting from me trust me I'd be disappointed too.
Meant to include this in my last post (still not finished posting all my thoughts obv)
I don't think ZDS is a wolf off of this. I can't really expand this idea further, but he reminds me of me (arrogant bastard that I am).
Of the whole page 1, I probably like Grape the least so far.
My feeling is that mafia!ZDS saw town!Grape say he had a light scum ping on me and figured that a push in my direction would get a following.
Have you played with ZDS before? I feel like on D1 scum is not going to think that any push on any player would get much of a following. But I did like your analysis here..... $0.02. Let me ponder on this and see if I can make heads or tails, make an observation. This just pinged me. I *want* to say this is shading (because it seems so presumptuous) but I *know* it (probably) isn't. This pinged me for some reason and I'm not sure why
What's your take on Wisp? To try to explain my ZDS read again I liked his process of drawing a conclusion from Wisp's claim. I think there was something there to dig into and my initial reaction was his, but when I had a second thought I drew the opposite conclusion so I think that ZDS scum reading Wisp for that is a very natural and real thought process even if I disagree.
You have an awesome and menacing rolename. I'm envious, and at the same time I wonder: why would you claim it? If you are town, you made yourself a NK target (I had confirmation rolenames and abilities are linked, so it's unlikely you have a *****ty role with an awesome name).
Also the "I am town as well what a coincidence" line sounds like "hello fellow youth town", but even I will admit I may be reading too much into it.
What conclusion did he make here? Correct me if I'm wrong but this is ZDS' only post commenting on Wisp's claim. He pointed out the obvious (flavor-claiming makes you a NK target, something I said on the first page #21). Also slightly shaded with his last comment. Is the conclusion the Rhand/Wisp scum team? I guess but like others in the game I wouldn't call that solid (although I am late on that). Wouldn't call it a conclusion either tbh.
I do like your #122 though. How do you feel about it now, seeing that ZDS has given Wisp a soft-clear? Does it make this earlier conclusion performative (similar to his #78)?
And aside from the confusion at the roles, do you have any posts from HR that you liked? Or does your townread on him only hinge on how he is confused?
These are all about me and to a lesser extent Johnny, with the exception of 147 which is a PTAP.
Thank you for proving my point and entertaining us, now die and I hope to see you again some other game.
@Pokechu
Why do you handle rhand calling your posts busy body work differently than how you handle ZDS calling them the same thing. I guess if you call it makes me raise an eyebrow, a read than sure, maybe it isn't hedging. But there really isn't a lot of anything in your posts that feel like an actual conclusion
Twice now you have responded to posts attacking your thought process with laughter and/or immediate discrediting. Do you think my assumption is also wrong? Also remember to answer my question, please and thanks
@Rhand
Explain to me how ZDS pointing out my mistake makes you like him, what else is he suppose to do there? Unless you consider just responding with, "that wasn't me", to be the less townie response.
Just for asking the question of Pokechu I was about to ask. I have no clue how he ended with me as top town.
Tbh if you don’t think you’re playing a good game then why do you play? I know I’m town and I know my posts are good. I don’t understand the train of thought behind posts like these. Not to say you should suddenly replace out (of course I want to play with you, you’ve been cool so far) but this is a very weak reason to unvote someone.
His posts and his trains of thought match mine. I know I’m town. I can bring up specific posts and quotes I like - I know we have the same opinion of ZDS’ #78. But I don’t think that would do much more than simply saying he reads genuine and I like his posts so far.
@Pokechu
Why do you handle rhand calling your posts busy body work differently than how you handle ZDS calling them the same thing. I guess if you call it makes me raise an eyebrow, a read than sure, maybe it isn't hedging. But there really isn't a lot of anything in your posts that feel like an actual conclusion
Twice now you have responded to posts attacking your thought process with laughter and/or immediate discrediting. Do you think my assumption is also wrong? Also remember to answer my question, please and thanks
ZDS’ post is the only one I responded to with pure laughter and even that one I’m clearly going to respond seriously once I organize my thoughts. I also already explained why those posts in question weren’t “hedging.” Rhand was the first to label them that, I explained why they weren’t fun. So why should I entertain the idea, when ZDS brings it up (hedging) and I already explained why he’s wrong? That deserves an “LOL” and nothing more. Maybe an LMAO too
Lastly, I think ZDS has given the best read of me so far, "He isn't playing like his wolf or town game"
It wasn't me, I believe you are referring to Rhand's #75
Hm did you just give Wisp a reason to townread me rather than taking the undeserved credit that no one was going to look back for anyways?
That’s not a scum mindset.
Back to the drawing board I guess.
Woodstock would like to comment that for having a macho man as your avatar this post was surprisingly weak.
I would (confidently) say that post from ZDS was NAI. It's not a "scum mindset" but it really doesn't have to be (or not be) to absolve someone of suspicion. Wisp maybe just had a surreal flatulence (brain fart) and typed the wrong name, either way it wasn't that much credit given to whoever made the observation that Wisp wasn't playing like either of his games. It's preemptive to loosen up on someone because they don't cap on an opportunity to steal a penny's worth of credit. NAI for ZDS but I'm not sure how I feel about you from this. Doghouse on fire I say it's a bad look but this is my $0.02, pearls of wisdom. Old dog and new tricks and all
Lastly, I think ZDS has given the best read of me so far, "He isn't playing like his wolf or town game"
It wasn't me, I believe you are referring to Rhand's #75
Hm did you just give Wisp a reason to townread me rather than taking the undeserved credit that no one was going to look back for anyways?
That’s not a scum mindset.
Back to the drawing board I guess.
Woodstock would like to comment that for having a macho man as your avatar this post was surprisingly weak.
I would (confidently) say that post from ZDS was NAI. It's not a "scum mindset" but it really doesn't have to be (or not be) to absolve someone of suspicion. Wisp maybe just had a surreal flatulence (brain fart) and typed the wrong name, either way it wasn't that much credit given to whoever made the observation that Wisp wasn't playing like either of his games. It's preemptive to loosen up on someone because they don't cap on an opportunity to steal a penny's worth of credit. NAI for ZDS but I'm not sure how I feel about you from this. Doghouse on fire I say it's a bad look but this is my $0.02, pearls of wisdom. Old dog and new tricks and all
this says otherwise @Pokechu
No, it doesn’t. I made a jest and then I provided my honest thoughts and commentary. My response to ZDS is the only post I’ve made so far where I only responded with laughter.
No he didn't. He said he had a, "Minor scum ping on Rhand." That is not even remotely the same thing as saying Rhand must be mafia because he asked LastWhisper a softball question.
who wants to take a guess on how long Rhand lives for?
anyone?
I’m hoping one of my abilities gives me bulletproof lol.
It’s a micro, if no shenanigans happen that’s a max of 4 Days I think? (2 mislynches, 2 mafia lynches)
That means I’ll be alive for at least a quarter of the game-time. Yay!
I like this Snoopy guy so far.
@Wisp what made you lose stock in entrances?
And react like you've just found aliens at Roswell?
In fact, I would like you to spell out your Grape read without using your read on me as its basis.
How am I supposed to do that when the thing that pinged me on Grape was his reaction to your post?
That's like me saying, "Hey, summarize your case on me but never use the letter e."
Lack of response regarding the missing logical conclusion that Rhand must be town noted.
His posts and his trains of thought match mine. I know I’m town. I can bring up specific posts and quotes I like - I know we have the same opinion of ZDS’ #78. But I don’t think that would do much more than simply saying he reads genuine and I like his posts so far.
No he didn't. He said he had a, "Minor scum ping on Rhand." That is not even remotely the same thing as saying Rhand must be mafia because he asked LastWhisper a softball question.
It was actually two things. One was suspecting you (for largely the same reason if not the same actual posts, for me it was the mechanical talk more than the LW softball which was fine.) but the more important one was the process on LW. I think he drew the exact wrong conclusion from it but I don't think that scum would speculate about his claim like that and decide to push him over it. It just felt like town trying to play the possibilities with LW openly talking about his role.
who wants to take a guess on how long Rhand lives for?
anyone?
I’m hoping one of my abilities gives me bulletproof lol.
It’s a micro, if no shenanigans happen that’s a max of 4 Days I think? (2 mislynches, 2 mafia lynches)
That means I’ll be alive for at least a quarter of the game-time. Yay!
I like this Snoopy guy so far.
@Wisp what made you lose stock in entrances?
And react like you've just found aliens at Roswell?
I use my vote as part of my process to determine if someone who pinged me really is scum. I unvoted Rhand fairly quickly after I figured I had probably overreacted. You are the one acting like you are seeing UFOs.
In fact, I would like you to spell out your Grape read without using your read on me as its basis.
How am I supposed to do that when the thing that pinged me on Grape was his reaction to your post?
That's like me saying, "Hey, summarize your case on me but never use the letter e."
I want you to give your independent read on Grape, it shouldn't be that hard .
Currently, your Grape read is a catch-22 infused with confirmation bias. He is scum for defending my vote on Rhand, AND he is scum for turning on me. I bet if he had stood with me you would be calling him scum for that reason.
That makes it hard to tell if you are sincere. Maybe you are scum and struggling to fake reads, so you stick to one and a half simplistic ones. Maybe you are town and stuck in a tunnel so narrow you will come out of it making "drr drr" sounds.
Help me figure you out. The best thing you have going for you right now in my view is your interaction with Pokechu following its terrible reentrance, and without a flip that's of limited value.
Lack of response regarding the missing logical conclusion that Rhand must be town noted.
I don't understand how Rhand must be town.
If I'm scum for making a bad attack on Rhand, and if Grape is scum for defending that attack, then by that train of thought it logically follows that Rhand must be the town victim of a scum pile-on.
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@Whispy: Not that I mind the attention, but why did you have absolutely nothing to say to or about Pokechu until I went after him (and got my eyes on you in the process)?
And why did you not ask Rhand the question in 172 until way after Pokechu gave his opinion on the same subject?
@Rhand
Explain to me how ZDS pointing out my mistake makes you like him, what else is he suppose to do there? Unless you consider just responding with, "that wasn't me", to be the less townie response.
What I would do as mafia when getting undeserved credit is either not mention it at all and take the town points or spin it into an attack on the one giving the credit if plausible. The one exception being if the one giving the wrong credit is a buddy.
Just setting it straight seems to be the townie response because it doesn’t only show that he’s not interested in getting town credit, but is also figuring out me by giving me the credit (and pointing you there as well).
@Pokechu what community (or communities) do you usually play in?
It was actually two things. One was suspecting you (for largely the same reason if not the same actual posts, for me it was the mechanical talk more than the LW softball which was fine.) but the more important one was the process on LW. I think he drew the exact wrong conclusion from it but I don't think that scum would speculate about his claim like that and decide to push him over it. It just felt like town trying to play the possibilities with LW openly talking about his role.
... Did you not read the bolded text? He's saying that the softball against LW was fine - which, correct, it was. That is the exact logical opposite of what you said.
How did you not read your own bolded text?
I use my vote as part of my process to determine if someone who pinged me really is scum. I unvoted Rhand fairly quickly after I figured I had probably overreacted. You are the one acting like you are seeing UFOs.
Really? You're going to accuse me of seeing things that aren't real after admitting that yes, it was an overreaction on your part, and therefore not a vote that had logical basis, the very thing I've been saying for two pages now? That's the refuge you're taking? I'm wrong even though I'm exactly correct? Why did you spend two pages defending yourself when you yourself admit exactly what I've been accusing you of?
Yeah, you don't get to throw stones at Pokechu for making a blatantly contradictory attack when you've done the exact same thing prolonged over multiple pages.
I want you to give your independent read on Grape
Independent of what? Context? That's part of how reads work.
Case in point:
Currently, your Grape read is a catch-22 infused with confirmation bias. He is scum for defending my vote on Rhand, AND he is scum for turning on me. I bet if he had stood with me you would be calling him scum for that reason.
See, this is you completely ignoring context (willfully or accidentally) and the result is you completely mischaracterizing what I've been saying.
Gentleman_Johnny has tried to argue that it does not make sense that, were you and Grape both mafia, that he does not believe Grape would vote you. I have disagreed, arguing that it would be natural for Grape to make such a pivot.
I've never, however, used that as evidence for Grape being mafia.
You see? This is why understanding of context is important.
If I'm scum for making a bad attack on Rhand, and if Grape is scum for defending that attack, then by that train of thought it logically follows that Rhand must be the town victim of a scum pile-on.
Well, I mean, yeah. I can't imagine that there are three mafia in this game.
Also @Pokechu, reading the posts leading up to your reads list, I don’t understand how I ended up in the green part. It looked like you disliked most of my posts?
Highroller, you talk about context yet you answer as if the rest of our discussion didn't exist.
1) You say I'm scum for voting Rhand over what you see as a conversational RVS post. I point out Grape also saw that post as scummy (for his own reasons but that's not the issue). Neither Grape nor I dismissed Rhand's 25 as non-telling RVS fluff. Is attacking an RVS post scummy in general, or is it only scummy in my case but not in Grape's case?
2) Early in our dispute I pointed out playing fast and loose with my vote early on is part of my playstyle (the "thirdly" point). You brushed it off and clearly we have made zero progress in that regard since then. Let me spell it out in case it's too hard to understand: voting people over small things is my early-game modus operandi. It is NAI at the very most.
3) I understood your response to Johnny as you saying Grape's U-turn confirmed he was scum, if that is not the case I'm dropping this. I would still like you to provide reads other than on me, but I have low expectations.
4) It's not only about the numbers, it's about how Rhand should be higher in your town list than Johnny/Whispy/Poke if he is central to your scum reads. To put this another way, would you be voting me if you thought my Rhand vote could have been distancing/bussing?
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Re: Correcting Whispy's mistake: I did that on reflex with no intent behind it, like helping a woman carry a pram up some stairs. I had no idea Rhand (or anyone) would have such a positive reaction to it, and I have no idea what I would have done as scum. It's possible Rhand is right. It's possible he's not. In any case don't overanalyse something I did without thinking.
1) You say I'm scum for voting Rhand over what you see as a conversational RVS post.
Which you yourself admit was a vote that was illogical, yes.
I point out Grape also saw that post as scummy (for his own reasons but that's not the issue).
Grape is also someone on my suspicion list.
Neither Grape nor I dismissed Rhand's 25 as non-telling RVS fluff. Is attacking an RVS post scummy in general, or is it only scummy in my case but not in Grape's case?
What a silly false dichotomy.
The issue is you made an obviously nonsensical, baseless attack. That is suspicious. It's suspicious whenever it's done.
2) Early in our dispute I pointed out playing fast and loose with my vote early on is part of my playstyle (the "thirdly" point). You brushed it off and clearly we have made zero progress in that regard since then. Let me spell it out in case it's too hard to understand: voting people over small things is my early-game modus operandi. It is NAI at the very most.
I love how I point out that you're voting Rhand over nothing, you defend yourself for two pages arguing against this, and now you're freely admitting that your vote was an overreaction and that, in fact, voting people over nothing is something you do all the time.
So somehow you're cognizant enough of your nonsensical voting all the time to admit this, and yet also I'm the one who's wrong and also you still spent two pages arguing against me saying exactly what you're admitting to now.
Vote stands.
3) I understood your response to Johnny as you saying Grape's U-turn confirmed he was scum, if that is not the case I'm dropping this.
It's not the case.
4) It's not only about the numbers, it's about how Rhand should be higher in your town list than Johnny/Whispy/Poke if he is central to your scum reads. To put this another way, would you be voting me if you thought my Rhand vote could have been distancing/bussing
I don't understand the question. You can only distance/bus if you're mafia. Why would I not vote for mafia?
A) Quote me admitting my vote was illogical. I dare you. Me saying I later concluded I had overreacted is NOT the same thing as calling it illogical, not even close.
B) What a coincidence, my issue with you is you made an obviously nonsensical, baseless attack. That is suspicious. It's suspicious whenever it's done. But anyway, is the reason why you aren't going after Grape as hard as after me because he only stated Rhand pinged him and did not actually attack him? Are you still stuck in your dream-world where serious-voting in RVS is bad?
C) Small things are not nothing. Stop misrepresenting me. You are obnoxious.
D) Why do I have to explain everything to you like you are a child?
1. You think I made an unjustified, scummy attack on Rhand.
2. You are suspecting Grape for defending that attack.
3. If you thought I was onto something with my Rhand vote, you would not be voting me or suspecting Grape.
4. If you thought my attack on Rhand was a bus, you would be suspecting Rhand instead of Grape.
1+2+3+4 = Rhand should be your top town-read until you are proven wrong about either Grape or me.
[quote=ZDS]@Whispy: Not that I mind the attention, but why did you have absolutely nothing to say to or about Pokechu until I went after him (and got my eyes on you in the process)?
And why did you not ask Rhand the question in 172 until way after Pokechu gave his opinion on the same subject?/quote]
because I do what I want, and sometimes I need someone else talking about something to motivate me to talk about it as well, as for the Rhand quote I pulled out, I don't particularly have a reason for picking it out, I was just curious since Rhand plays with a lot of wine based on his own mafia play
IF ZDS is town, I am locking my vote on Highroller for funsies day 2
@Whispy: Not that I mind the attention, but why did you have absolutely nothing to say to or about Pokechu until I went after him (and got my eyes on you in the process)?
And why did you not ask Rhand the question in 172 until way after Pokechu gave his opinion on the same subject?
because I do what I want, and sometimes I need someone else talking about something to motivate me to talk about it as well, as for the Rhand quote I pulled out, I don't particularly have a reason for picking it out, I was just curious since Rhand plays with a lot of wine based on his own mafia play
IF ZDS is town, I am locking my vote on Highroller for funsies day 2
Poke and Whispy are scum. Whispy is intentionally staying out of the DorkRoller slap-fight and plans on using the false dichotomy to chain misbonks, while Poke stirs the pot.
I wonder how you would have reacted if he had put me as top town with as only reason your posts about me.
I would be completely fine with him calling you town specifically for being attacked by me. I would not be fine with him calling you town then calling me scum for attacking you (the order of operations is different). I am befuddled he is not already calling you town and using that as a secondary anchor to analyse the game, it seems like he is not interested in much beyond finding an excuse to stick his vote somewhere and never remove it.
That aside, with Poke and Whispy literally open-wolfing I'm more and more thinking he may be town after all .
@zds
you are mafia in HR's eyes, nothing you will say will change that, he has already decided how you entered was from a wolf perspective
Thanks Sherlock, I didn't know One day the stars will align and Highroller will change his mind. Then the skies will open, the angels will sing, and the Rapture will begin and send us all to Heaven.
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@Pokechu what community (or communities) do you usually play in?
Smashboards. I've also played twice on Mafia Universe. The only one in this game I've played with before is Wispy Woods.
What communities/community do you play in? I think you played in this year's Championships on MU, right? I did 2019. I won - barely! LOL But you might've played with someone named Kary? They're from my place! Smashboards!!! I love Kary :^) (but don't tell them that)
@zds
you are mafia in HR's eyes, nothing you will say will change that, he has already decided how you entered was from a wolf perspective
Thanks Sherlock, I didn't know One day the stars will align and Highroller will change his mind. Then the skies will open, the angels will sing, and the Rapture will begin and send us all to Heaven.
Good luck with that, and I am staying out of the slap fight because I don't necessarily think HR is a wolf, and am not going to bother trying to change his mind on you
At this point I am just trying to figure if you are in fact town or just mafia
maybe give me some cases on why someone is town, rather than always trying to find reasons why someone new is mafia
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@Pokechu what community (or communities) do you usually play in?
Smashboards. I've also played twice on Mafia Universe. The only one in this game I've played with before is Wispy Woods.
What communities/community do you play in? I think you played in this year's Championships on MU, right? I did 2019. I won - barely! LOL But you might've played with someone named Kary? They're from my place! Smashboards!!! I love Kary :^) (but don't tell them that)
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I did play the championship yes, Kary was our last Nightkill in the qualifier.
I play mainly here and a bit on Mafia Colosseum and Civilisation Fanatics and a game here and there elsewhere.
I remember that Kary wasn’t a fan of having to explain herself.
Anyways, I don’t know the culture of your site apart from seeing Kary in action. I mainly wanted to know if brushing off a post with laughter is normal behavior there.
Town
Pokechu
Grapefruit
Rhand
Wisp
HR
GJ
ZDS
Scum
"I think the thing is (or at least, the thing for me) is that you made such an entrance, tried to get/got us out of RVS, but then you were so quick to softclear people. But you haven't done anything with those softclears. If you limited your PoE to Rhand/HR/Poke then why didn't you ask any of us questions? Why not push those people, hey what do you think of XYZ. You made a lot of noise, that's good, but it doesn't seem like you're interested in furthering anything else. Perhaps this is throwing stones from a glass house and could be applied to anyone in this game - and this isn't to say that the burden of saving the town, eliminating COVID-19 and eating the rich all lies on your shoulders. But those softclears were *very* flimsy, as if you didn't want to consider those people (like, scum could def do what you softcleared those 3 for), but then you're also not looking at the remaining people. And when someone called this out, you resorted to a clapback ("you of all people have no right"). I don't see any initiative here after your entrance."
- Woodstock, 2021 (he's in a different timezone, he's visiting family for Christmas)
Your claim was that Rhand making a conversational post during RVS made him mafia. The correct answer is no, that's not a valid reason to think someone is mafia. Your post is completely baseless. Your mindset was clearly not one of good-faith analysis towards trying to find mafia, but instead trying to opportunistically hunt for someone to kill.
... Are you being serious right now?
You're actually going to argue, "The only way Highroller could know my push was bad is if he's mafia!"
No, dude, we all know it because it's obvious. Your push was just THAT awful. It transparently had no logical basis whatsoever. Even people who think you're town agree with this.
"Tbh I wouldn't call my #141 or #142 hedging, it's a unique perspective no one else made. Labeling that interaction as TvS, that's a real observation that can be furthered with more posts from either side. #143 was essentially open thinking but I'm down to expand on any of my reads in #151. Not that I have to be asked to provide content, but I feel like what I've put out since coming back to the thread after my inactivity, it's not shabby at all! Pearls of wisdom were shared. If you want to lynch me for being fun then Alexa play Sorry Not Sorry by Demi Lovato"
Woodstock, 2020 (he flies quick. And he LOVES Demi!)
I said in those posts that at the time I wasn't sure which world I believed in more. I think now I believe in GJ being the scum more. HR's reaction could've been knee-jerk or defensive town. And I really don't like how GJ was just like "bronze feels awkward!" why? Empty shading essentially.
Like, both sides are weird in this interaction, GJ and HR. But ATM I think GJ was slightly weirder and I feel like there's at least one scum between GJ, HR, and ZDS and I think GJ fits better with ZDS than HR.
to clarify Woodstock (he aint clear sometimes, his mind a lil cloudy from the flight back)
it's nice that you're voting HR now, that's cool. But the basis for that IMO wasn't convincing (Grape as silver for instance), original Rhand+Wisp vote was surface-level depth and interactions w Rhand seem empty for him being your "big push" at the start. Perhaps because it was RVS so no one is going to solve the game anytime soon. So maybe I'm being preemptive here. I'll do another ISO before I move my vote anywhere. Keeping it on Grape now because I like him :^)
why would i come back to it later if i'm saying it now? LOL
I was referring to GJ.
But you were talking about Grape... I think we're both confused
GJ's posts rubbed me the wrong way because they felt like shade from someone who already knows that Grape is town. I completely disagreed with GJ's reasoning, as I believed that were Grape and ZDS both mafia, it would only be natural for Grape to distance himself from ZDS.
Because "maybe I'm reading too much into it" is clearly a sign of overconfidence?
Wait what?
How did you go from this:
to this?
Those are complete contradictions!
You can't say, "Whoa! Highroller's going way too far with this! GJ doesn't deserve this level of presumptuous suspicion!" while at the same time saying, "Highroller isn't taking his shade of GJ anywhere," that doesn't make any sense.
and I don't think anything outside of me being dead, will change that
unless he completely wows me in the next couple of days
I do not normally play like this anymore, but since this game is small, there isn't many directions to take
@GJ
come out and play please
Im phone posting from Michigan. It's also new year's eve. I won't be wowing anyone.
Also i can't mention things, but you'll forgive me for not taking you at the word of being a God reader of me.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
and I am sad that you won't wow me yet, but you make a fair point. I tend to be oblivious to things like holidays and how they affect the playerbase
I’m vl/a today.
You missed post 17.
Rhand I was already (done) pushing, you and HR weren't posting.
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Grape made a similar claim in #28, although he was cryptic at the time and did not expand on it until later. Is he scum for also not treating Rhand's post as merely conversational?
In fact, I would like you to spell out your Grape read without using your read on me as its basis.
Lack of response regarding the missing logical conclusion that Rhand must be town noted.
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159 pings me as a townie reaction to BS. Hmm.
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Unvote, Vote: Pokechu
For coincidentially focusing his entire catch-up on the three bonking candidates (Johnny, HR, myself), coincidentially making us his top 3 scum, and coincidentially making me (who has the most votes) his top scum read. Such chained coincidences and such unoriginal thoughts can't be natural.
For all the fence-sitting, particularly in 141, 142 and 148.
For saying nothing about Rhand and Grape, and asking them question that are actually about the GentlemanDorkRoller trio (146, 149). Which somehow lead to them being town-read .
For having absolutely nothing to say to or about Whispy, other than mentioning him in passing when talking about me. He put him in 151 at what I assume is Null, so I'd expect to see more effort into figuring out the Whisper.
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If Pokechu flips scum I'll definitely take a hard look at Whispy, that lack of mention/interaction isn't organic. (I'm not chainbonking by the way, it is far from a foregone conclusion that if Poke is scum so is Whispy.)
There is no justification for why so much of his attention is focused on the bonking-candidates trio and no justification for putting Grape and Rhand higher than Whispy (or Whispy lower than them, same difference).
maybe people just vote you because you’re suspicious.... that’s what we supposed to do right? LOL
Also incorrect to say I focused my entire catch up on my bottom 3 (I quoted Rhand and Grape) and even if I did, OK???????? I have a bottom three at least. it’s not like I’m saying “mmm idk everyone’s null ;( no feelings here come back D2” if you really have a question about a read ask
[insert Snoopy laughing here]
If u want some thoughts you can ask me, in between my regular posts, which I'll probably spend some time talking about your new scum lean @ZDS, and Pokechu's posts in detail
Here are all the posts where he quotes Rhand or Grape:
Thank you for proving my point and entertaining us, now die and I hope to see you again some other game.
I haven’t read this post but here’s my response
LOL
Why do you handle rhand calling your posts busy body work differently than how you handle ZDS calling them the same thing. I guess if you call it makes me raise an eyebrow, a read than sure, maybe it isn't hedging. But there really isn't a lot of anything in your posts that feel like an actual conclusion
Twice now you have responded to posts attacking your thought process with laughter and/or immediate discrediting. Do you think my assumption is also wrong? Also remember to answer my question, please and thanks
Explain to me how ZDS pointing out my mistake makes you like him, what else is he suppose to do there? Unless you consider just responding with, "that wasn't me", to be the less townie response.
Just for asking the question of Pokechu I was about to ask. I have no clue how he ended with me as top town.
Tbh if you don’t think you’re playing a good game then why do you play? I know I’m town and I know my posts are good. I don’t understand the train of thought behind posts like these. Not to say you should suddenly replace out (of course I want to play with you, you’ve been cool so far) but this is a very weak reason to unvote someone.
I mean you look ok in my eyes, but of course what matters is how Pokechu got there
ZDS’ post is the only one I responded to with pure laughter and even that one I’m clearly going to respond seriously once I organize my thoughts. I also already explained why those posts in question weren’t “hedging.” Rhand was the first to label them that, I explained why they weren’t fun. So why should I entertain the idea, when ZDS brings it up (hedging) and I already explained why he’s wrong? That deserves an “LOL” and nothing more. Maybe an LMAO too
“Rhand was the first to label them that and I explained why they weren’t”
No “fun” is supposed to be in that sentence. This is serious business
No, it doesn’t. I made a jest and then I provided my honest thoughts and commentary. My response to ZDS is the only post I’ve made so far where I only responded with laughter.
Which, explain to me how you read this:
And react like you've just found aliens at Roswell?
How am I supposed to do that when the thing that pinged me on Grape was his reaction to your post?
That's like me saying, "Hey, summarize your case on me but never use the letter e."
I don't understand how Rhand must be town.
Now do Rhand and Whispy.
See:
I use my vote as part of my process to determine if someone who pinged me really is scum. I unvoted Rhand fairly quickly after I figured I had probably overreacted. You are the one acting like you are seeing UFOs.
I want you to give your independent read on Grape, it shouldn't be that hard .
Currently, your Grape read is a catch-22 infused with confirmation bias. He is scum for defending my vote on Rhand, AND he is scum for turning on me. I bet if he had stood with me you would be calling him scum for that reason.
That makes it hard to tell if you are sincere. Maybe you are scum and struggling to fake reads, so you stick to one and a half simplistic ones. Maybe you are town and stuck in a tunnel so narrow you will come out of it making "drr drr" sounds.
Help me figure you out. The best thing you have going for you right now in my view is your interaction with Pokechu following its terrible reentrance, and without a flip that's of limited value.
If I'm scum for making a bad attack on Rhand, and if Grape is scum for defending that attack, then by that train of thought it logically follows that Rhand must be the town victim of a scum pile-on.
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@Whispy: Not that I mind the attention, but why did you have absolutely nothing to say to or about Pokechu until I went after him (and got my eyes on you in the process)?
And why did you not ask Rhand the question in 172 until way after Pokechu gave his opinion on the same subject?
What I would do as mafia when getting undeserved credit is either not mention it at all and take the town points or spin it into an attack on the one giving the credit if plausible. The one exception being if the one giving the wrong credit is a buddy.
Just setting it straight seems to be the townie response because it doesn’t only show that he’s not interested in getting town credit, but is also figuring out me by giving me the credit (and pointing you there as well).
@Pokechu what community (or communities) do you usually play in?
How did you not read your own bolded text?
Really? You're going to accuse me of seeing things that aren't real after admitting that yes, it was an overreaction on your part, and therefore not a vote that had logical basis, the very thing I've been saying for two pages now? That's the refuge you're taking? I'm wrong even though I'm exactly correct? Why did you spend two pages defending yourself when you yourself admit exactly what I've been accusing you of?
Yeah, you don't get to throw stones at Pokechu for making a blatantly contradictory attack when you've done the exact same thing prolonged over multiple pages.
Independent of what? Context? That's part of how reads work.
Case in point:
See, this is you completely ignoring context (willfully or accidentally) and the result is you completely mischaracterizing what I've been saying.
Gentleman_Johnny has tried to argue that it does not make sense that, were you and Grape both mafia, that he does not believe Grape would vote you. I have disagreed, arguing that it would be natural for Grape to make such a pivot.
I've never, however, used that as evidence for Grape being mafia.
You see? This is why understanding of context is important.
Well, I mean, yeah. I can't imagine that there are three mafia in this game.
1) You say I'm scum for voting Rhand over what you see as a conversational RVS post. I point out Grape also saw that post as scummy (for his own reasons but that's not the issue). Neither Grape nor I dismissed Rhand's 25 as non-telling RVS fluff. Is attacking an RVS post scummy in general, or is it only scummy in my case but not in Grape's case?
2) Early in our dispute I pointed out playing fast and loose with my vote early on is part of my playstyle (the "thirdly" point). You brushed it off and clearly we have made zero progress in that regard since then. Let me spell it out in case it's too hard to understand: voting people over small things is my early-game modus operandi. It is NAI at the very most.
3) I understood your response to Johnny as you saying Grape's U-turn confirmed he was scum, if that is not the case I'm dropping this. I would still like you to provide reads other than on me, but I have low expectations.
4) It's not only about the numbers, it's about how Rhand should be higher in your town list than Johnny/Whispy/Poke if he is central to your scum reads. To put this another way, would you be voting me if you thought my Rhand vote could have been distancing/bussing?
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Re: Correcting Whispy's mistake: I did that on reflex with no intent behind it, like helping a woman carry a pram up some stairs. I had no idea Rhand (or anyone) would have such a positive reaction to it, and I have no idea what I would have done as scum. It's possible Rhand is right. It's possible he's not. In any case don't overanalyse something I did without thinking.
Grape is also someone on my suspicion list.
What a silly false dichotomy.
The issue is you made an obviously nonsensical, baseless attack. That is suspicious. It's suspicious whenever it's done.
I love how I point out that you're voting Rhand over nothing, you defend yourself for two pages arguing against this, and now you're freely admitting that your vote was an overreaction and that, in fact, voting people over nothing is something you do all the time.
So somehow you're cognizant enough of your nonsensical voting all the time to admit this, and yet also I'm the one who's wrong and also you still spent two pages arguing against me saying exactly what you're admitting to now.
Vote stands.
It's not the case.
I don't understand the question. You can only distance/bus if you're mafia. Why would I not vote for mafia?
B) What a coincidence, my issue with you is you made an obviously nonsensical, baseless attack. That is suspicious. It's suspicious whenever it's done. But anyway, is the reason why you aren't going after Grape as hard as after me because he only stated Rhand pinged him and did not actually attack him? Are you still stuck in your dream-world where serious-voting in RVS is bad?
C) Small things are not nothing. Stop misrepresenting me. You are obnoxious.
D) Why do I have to explain everything to you like you are a child?
1. You think I made an unjustified, scummy attack on Rhand.
2. You are suspecting Grape for defending that attack.
3. If you thought I was onto something with my Rhand vote, you would not be voting me or suspecting Grape.
4. If you thought my attack on Rhand was a bus, you would be suspecting Rhand instead of Grape.
1+2+3+4 = Rhand should be your top town-read until you are proven wrong about either Grape or me.
1+2+3+4-5 = Rhand is on par with all other non-ZDS and Grape people.
You are totally over representing this argument.
In HR’s world view, having everyone else (including me) at the same level makes sense.
And why did you not ask Rhand the question in 172 until way after Pokechu gave his opinion on the same subject?/quote]
because I do what I want, and sometimes I need someone else talking about something to motivate me to talk about it as well, as for the Rhand quote I pulled out, I don't particularly have a reason for picking it out, I was just curious since Rhand plays with a lot of wine based on his own mafia play
IF ZDS is town, I am locking my vote on Highroller for funsies day 2
you are mafia in HR's eyes, nothing you will say will change that, he has already decided how you entered was from a wolf perspective
You heard it here first.
I would be completely fine with him calling you town specifically for being attacked by me. I would not be fine with him calling you town then calling me scum for attacking you (the order of operations is different). I am befuddled he is not already calling you town and using that as a secondary anchor to analyse the game, it seems like he is not interested in much beyond finding an excuse to stick his vote somewhere and never remove it.
That aside, with Poke and Whispy literally open-wolfing I'm more and more thinking he may be town after all .
Thanks Sherlock, I didn't knowOne day the stars will align and Highroller will change his mind. Then the skies will open, the angels will sing, and the Rapture will begin and send us all to Heaven.Smashboards. I've also played twice on Mafia Universe. The only one in this game I've played with before is Wispy Woods.
What communities/community do you play in? I think you played in this year's Championships on MU, right? I did 2019. I won - barely! LOL But you might've played with someone named Kary? They're from my place! Smashboards!!! I love Kary :^) (but don't tell them that)
At this point I am just trying to figure if you are in fact town or just mafia
maybe give me some cases on why someone is town, rather than always trying to find reasons why someone new is mafia
I did play the championship yes, Kary was our last Nightkill in the qualifier.
I play mainly here and a bit on Mafia Colosseum and Civilisation Fanatics and a game here and there elsewhere.
I remember that Kary wasn’t a fan of having to explain herself.
Anyways, I don’t know the culture of your site apart from seeing Kary in action. I mainly wanted to know if brushing off a post with laughter is normal behavior there.