omg are we really doing these kind of posts, on day 4? seriously?
tbh here man, it feels like you literally just let Azreal die, and I don't understand the townie mindset in that at all
and its hard to believe that you couldn't conclude better reasons than, "Tubba and Highroller are wolves for pushing the 3p"
you also aren't reading the game when you made statements like, "Highroller was a witter", which wasn't true
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
She's been doing the scums job for them pretty well so far?
how so? Tammy was literally no consequence at all in Azreal dying, and Tammy was still more confirmed than Cantrip by a large margin. Tammy got hurt that Azreal was trying to naturally read him, and went full attack mode, for literally no reason.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
actually stratch that, every scenario leads to mylo/lylo
unless we kill a wolf, and Anak is also a wolf, and/or I do not kill him, but the latter isn't a world that is happening
if he is town, I will 100% blame him and Azreal, for keeping this stuff in their chats, and not bring it here for us to see
@Anak
its also wild to me, that you don't claim something when Azreal is alive, when you can both confirm it, and mechanically it looks so good
meaning I probably hit Tubba in that world. So you making a joke at this time is just so frustrating to me. Like we have been getting dunked on, and you keep telling us how Azreal is town, and neither of you have been efficiently using or telling us the information you had
like wtf man
so again I go back to the statement, "are y'all trolling"
I mean it was pretty much a better idea to go after Tubba no matter how you look at it.
I started with 5 vitality, currently sitting at 1. I would have been dead today if not for the bonus vitality from yesterday
@Anak
why didn't you claim yesterday..................
it would have been better for you regardless of your alignment
it just feels so stupid to me
Because people already thought we were scum together, so what was it gonna accomplish? It wasn't going to turn anything around for Az because nothing on that wagon was logical. Like obviously if I thought my claim would have saved Az at any point I would have done so.
Like you already knew we were Witted all game, does me giving him vitality instantly make us both town to everyone? Nobody listened to As anyway, they weren't gonna buy us townfirming each other
but I could have probably town-firmed you or at least town leaned you, meaning you wouldn't have one vit today. but again its still hard to believe you care enough to save Azreal, when your thoughts align with, "He is so obvious town"
actually stratch that, every scenario leads to mylo/lylo
unless we kill a wolf, and Anak is also a wolf, and/or I do not kill him, but the latter isn't a world that is happening
if he is town, I will 100% blame him and Azreal, for keeping this stuff in their chats, and not bring it here for us to see
@Anak
its also wild to me, that you don't claim something when Azreal is alive, when you can both confirm it, and mechanically it looks so good
meaning I probably hit Tubba in that world. So you making a joke at this time is just so frustrating to me. Like we have been getting dunked on, and you keep telling us how Azreal is town, and neither of you have been efficiently using or telling us the information you had
like wtf man
so again I go back to the statement, "are y'all trolling"
I mean it was pretty much a better idea to go after Tubba no matter how you look at it.
I started with 5 vitality, currently sitting at 1. I would have been dead today if not for the bonus vitality from yesterday
no it wasn't, what makes you any better than Tubba, other than the ramblings of a loon, who refused to be clear with his thoughts, a majority of this game
@Anak
why didn't you claim yesterday..................
it would have been better for you regardless of your alignment
it just feels so stupid to me
Because people already thought we were scum together, so what was it gonna accomplish? It wasn't going to turn anything around for Az because nothing on that wagon was logical. Like obviously if I thought my claim would have saved Az at any point I would have done so.
Like you already knew we were Witted all game, does me giving him vitality instantly make us both town to everyone? Nobody listened to As anyway, they weren't gonna buy us townfirming each other
but I could have probably town-firmed you or at least town leaned you, meaning you wouldn't have one vit today. but again its still hard to believe you care enough to save Azreal, when your thoughts align with, "He is so obvious town"
I mean I don't understand how you think I literally let Az die when I was defending him so much that I was getting scum read for it, and getting called out by others for doing so.
But sure keep deriding me for letting die the one person I was the most invested in this game
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Your list in 2612 was Highroller, Sloth, Cuth, Tubba, LastWhisper, Tammy, KJ, but you voted Highroller and Bur. Was it literally just Bur's vote that tipped you over?
I need to rethink a bunch of stuff, because the Az wagon has too many town unless it's exactly Bur and Bessie.
My apologies KJ.
Yeah Burs vote was completely terrible, and they were one I thought had a slim chance of having a wagon built against them given the time. Does that help?
Sure.
Does that mean you thought that Bur had a better chance of getting a wagon than Tubba?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Anak
it could just be me projecting honestly
but like if I thought someone was obvious town, I would not have 60 posts, and assuming that additional information could not be better than not giving it at all.
It's all about timing. It's right about when things are getting to the point of no return, and it's the token scum who knows the flip is town and wants to distance it from themselves.
Like look at that post as town, what does it accomplish? ***** all that's what. Cuth doesn't mention any reason why there, doesn't nominate another person, doesn't even toss a vote because they don't want attention.
Town there is literally better off posting nothing than what Cuth did.
What do you mean "wolf siding in reads"? You seem to be implying he knows who the wolves are? If so, back that up a bit?
the people he's pushing and town-reading by and large trend towards a wolf victory if my reads aren't entirely off base in a majority of worlds
pure town-siding is only pushing wolves, pure wolf-siding is only pushing villagers
etc
his reads and such are rather inaccurate and (and this is important) i don't really think his justifications (sparsely given, to boot) for pushing the worst of these opinions don't feel very organic
and sloth can put passion and pizzazz into posts all day long, but the floaty complex non-linear process is what's particularly town-indicative from him, and i've not seen that at all since like d1
and instead he's just been picking on low-hanging targets and pushing for many bad yeets
@Anak
it could just be me projecting honestly
but like if I thought someone was obvious town, I would not have 60 posts, and assuming that additional information could not be better than not giving it at all.
I lost 1 night 1, 1 night 2, gained one day three, and lost 3 last night.
I even said that I didn't think Az was confirmed, just that his heart was ***** and we needed his analysis to keep us in the game. If he was around on say Day 6 then he's probably deep scum that needs yeeting! Az directly referenced that in his town read of me.
It's disingenuous to suggest that I actually knew As was town, he was just a top townread with a bad wagon on him.
@KJ yeah exactly, and honestly trying to align with Az a bit played into me picking But too. Didn't help at all though
It's all about timing. It's right about when things are getting to the point of no return, and it's the token scum who knows the flip is town and wants to distance it from themselves.
Like look at that post as town, what does it accomplish? ***** all that's what. Cuth doesn't mention any reason why there, doesn't nominate another person, doesn't even toss a vote because they don't want attention.
Town there is literally better off posting nothing than what Cuth did.
Why would it have to accomplish anything tangible? Why could it not just be as simple as him saying "I don't agree with this wagon"?
Also, clarify your role for me. You have Wit, and as long as you're Witted with someone, you gain a Vitality per Night. Every Night regardless, you lose one Vitality. Is that correct?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
It's all about timing. It's right about when things are getting to the point of no return, and it's the token scum who knows the flip is town and wants to distance it from themselves.
Like look at that post as town, what does it accomplish? ***** all that's what. Cuth doesn't mention any reason why there, doesn't nominate another person, doesn't even toss a vote because they don't want attention.
Town there is literally better off posting nothing than what Cuth did.
yes, because i was already voting my top suspects and i wasn't ever going to case them, and they were voting az
She's been doing the scums job for them pretty well so far?
how so? Tammy was literally no consequence at all in Azreal dying, and Tammy was still more confirmed than Cantrip by a large margin. Tammy got hurt that Azreal was trying to naturally read him, and went full attack mode, for literally no reason.
She herself stated that she feels like she's living in opposite land in terms of reads and then player alignment after flipping. If I'm scum I keep that person around for sure, at least until more priority targets are gone
@Anak
it could just be me projecting honestly
but like if I thought someone was obvious town, I would not have 60 posts, and assuming that additional information could not be better than not giving it at all.
I lost 1 night 1, 1 night 2, gained one day three, and lost 3 last night.
I even said that I didn't think Az was confirmed, just that his heart was ***** and we needed his analysis to keep us in the game. If he was around on say Day 6 then he's probably deep scum that needs yeeting! Az directly referenced that in his town read of me.
It's disingenuous to suggest that I actually knew As was town, he was just a top townread with a bad wagon on him.
@KJ yeah exactly, and honestly trying to align with Az a bit played into me picking But too. Didn't help at all though
IF you don't think he was confimed, why were you aligning your reads with his so heavily? If you weren't certain he was town, why were you acting as if you were?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Anak and Az's certainty on one another was bizarre as hell yesterDay and now that we have both their claims, it's even more unwarranted: Neither of these claims should have confirmed the other for themselves, something that Anak makes a note of when explaining why he didn't claim yesterDay.
Az is also not an idiot. Why wouldn't he claim Anak's role to town when it was looking like there was no other way to save himself? He may have been potentially unkillable if I'm understanding the combination of both his role and Anak's, outside of the yeet, yet he didn't bring it up? What the hell?
Like, Az himself had already claimed by this point, so there was no reason to not have Anak claim or out him.
In a scum!Anak world, this could point to his role being made up, now that Az is not here to call him out on it.
Why? Not sure, but seriously don't just discard it.
Bolded doesn't fit with the rest of what you are saying. Anak's claimed power absolutely would have been strong evidence for Az.
I'm not sure what you mean by doesn't fit, but by "confirmed" I meant alignment-wise.
Anak's power would have confirmed his alignment to Azreal right? So what did the bolded mean?
What do you mean "wolf siding in reads"? You seem to be implying he knows who the wolves are? If so, back that up a bit?
the people he's pushing and town-reading by and large trend towards a wolf victory if my reads aren't entirely off base in a majority of worlds
pure town-siding is only pushing wolves, pure wolf-siding is only pushing villagers
etc
his reads and such are rather inaccurate and (and this is important) i don't really think his justifications (sparsely given, to boot) for pushing the worst of these opinions don't feel very organic
and sloth can put passion and pizzazz into posts all day long, but the floaty complex non-linear process is what's particularly town-indicative from him, and i've not seen that at all since like d1
and instead he's just been picking on low-hanging targets and pushing for many bad yeets
some have flipped v
some are me
some are wisp
etc
Why does wolf!Sloth not care about appearing to not have inside info though? How long does he think he can keep that up?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Anak
it could just be me projecting honestly
but like if I thought someone was obvious town, I would not have 60 posts, and assuming that additional information could not be better than not giving it at all.
I lost 1 night 1, 1 night 2, gained one day three, and lost 3 last night.
I even said that I didn't think Az was confirmed, just that his heart was ***** and we needed his analysis to keep us in the game. If he was around on say Day 6 then he's probably deep scum that needs yeeting! Az directly referenced that in his town read of me.
It's disingenuous to suggest that I actually knew As was town, he was just a top townread with a bad wagon on him.
@KJ yeah exactly, and honestly trying to align with Az a bit played into me picking But too. Didn't help at all though
IF you don't think he was confimed, why were you aligning your reads with his so heavily? If you weren't certain he was town, why were you acting as if you were?
Because he was one with the most effort in the game, and his reads made a lot of sense. It's still shocking to me that somehow everyone else just like...didn't see that. Or let scum cloud their judgment I guess.
It's one of the worst mis yeets I have seen in a while. Thought that doesn't mean much because I haven't played in a while.
ok first of, his reads did not make sense a lot of the time, that was literally the problem with him. A lot of people wanted to move on because of the no-yeet, and unless Sloth is a wolf, I don't think any wolves were in the grouping of those that hard pushed him
It's all about timing. It's right about when things are getting to the point of no return, and it's the token scum who knows the flip is town and wants to distance it from themselves.
Like look at that post as town, what does it accomplish? ***** all that's what. Cuth doesn't mention any reason why there, doesn't nominate another person, doesn't even toss a vote because they don't want attention.
Town there is literally better off posting nothing than what Cuth did.
Why would it have to accomplish anything tangible? Why could it not just be as simple as him saying "I don't agree with this wagon"?
Also, clarify your role for me. You have Wit, and as long as you're Witted with someone, you gain a Vitality per Night. Every Night regardless, you lose one Vitality. Is that correct?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Anak
it could just be me projecting honestly
but like if I thought someone was obvious town, I would not have 60 posts, and assuming that additional information could not be better than not giving it at all.
I lost 1 night 1, 1 night 2, gained one day three, and lost 3 last night.
I even said that I didn't think Az was confirmed, just that his heart was ***** and we needed his analysis to keep us in the game. If he was around on say Day 6 then he's probably deep scum that needs yeeting! Az directly referenced that in his town read of me.
It's disingenuous to suggest that I actually knew As was town, he was just a top townread with a bad wagon on him.
@KJ yeah exactly, and honestly trying to align with Az a bit played into me picking But too. Didn't help at all though
IF you don't think he was confimed, why were you aligning your reads with his so heavily? If you weren't certain he was town, why were you acting as if you were?
Because he was one with the most effort in the game, and his reads made a lot of sense. It's still shocking to me that somehow everyone else just like...didn't see that. Or let scum cloud their judgment I guess.
It's one of the worst mis yeets I have seen in a while. Thought that doesn't mean much because I haven't played in a while.
That's not a great reason to /barn him. Like, even if you agree, you still have your own thoughts. What did you two disagree on?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I don’t know about outed, but he’s wolfy, and has been all game.
Coy is putting it mildly, and it’s conveniently left you with no blood on your hands or hard stances on slots. Vote Cuth
It's all about timing. It's right about when things are getting to the point of no return, and it's the token scum who knows the flip is town and wants to distance it from themselves.
Like look at that post as town, what does it accomplish? ***** all that's what. Cuth doesn't mention any reason why there, doesn't nominate another person, doesn't even toss a vote because they don't want attention.
Town there is literally better off posting nothing than what Cuth did.
Why would it have to accomplish anything tangible? Why could it not just be as simple as him saying "I don't agree with this wagon"?
Also, clarify your role for me. You have Wit, and as long as you're Witted with someone, you gain a Vitality per Night. Every Night regardless, you lose one Vitality. Is that correct?
@Anak
Too many posts too fast, hard to follow on mobile. Thanks again KJ.
I have Wit, my Wit is permanent and unbreakable. Each night, a vitality is drained from me and given to my Wit partner. I'm also Sealed and unable to use The Skill. I currently have 1 vitality.
I can survive as a vanilla town just fine, if I have no partner I lose no vitality.
A post doesn't have to be meaningful or accomplish anything tangible, but a post within the last stretch of hours in a day is far more likely to try and accomplish something than a full week out.
And it did do something, it further distanced Cuth from the misyeet. So it's not that it did nothing, it's that what it did was scummy
@Anak
it could just be me projecting honestly
but like if I thought someone was obvious town, I would not have 60 posts, and assuming that additional information could not be better than not giving it at all.
I lost 1 night 1, 1 night 2, gained one day three, and lost 3 last night.
I even said that I didn't think Az was confirmed, just that his heart was ***** and we needed his analysis to keep us in the game. If he was around on say Day 6 then he's probably deep scum that needs yeeting! Az directly referenced that in his town read of me.
It's disingenuous to suggest that I actually knew As was town, he was just a top townread with a bad wagon on him.
@KJ yeah exactly, and honestly trying to align with Az a bit played into me picking But too. Didn't help at all though
IF you don't think he was confimed, why were you aligning your reads with his so heavily? If you weren't certain he was town, why were you acting as if you were?
Because he was one with the most effort in the game, and his reads made a lot of sense. It's still shocking to me that somehow everyone else just like...didn't see that. Or let scum cloud their judgment I guess.
It's one of the worst mis yeets I have seen in a while. Thought that doesn't mean much because I haven't played in a while.
That's not a great reason to /barn him. Like, even if you agree, you still have your own thoughts. What did you two disagree on?
Just to cherry pick, but HR was a townread from Az and the person I pushed as scum more than any other in the game coming into today.
It's all about timing. It's right about when things are getting to the point of no return, and it's the token scum who knows the flip is town and wants to distance it from themselves.
Like look at that post as town, what does it accomplish? ***** all that's what. Cuth doesn't mention any reason why there, doesn't nominate another person, doesn't even toss a vote because they don't want attention.
Town there is literally better off posting nothing than what Cuth did.
Why would it have to accomplish anything tangible? Why could it not just be as simple as him saying "I don't agree with this wagon"?
Also, clarify your role for me. You have Wit, and as long as you're Witted with someone, you gain a Vitality per Night. Every Night regardless, you lose one Vitality. Is that correct?
@Anak
Too many posts too fast, hard to follow on mobile. Thanks again KJ.
I have Wit, my Wit is permanent and unbreakable. Each night, a vitality is drained from me and given to my Wit partner. I'm also Sealed and unable to use The Skill. I currently have 1 vitality.
I can survive as a vanilla town just fine, if I have no partner I lose no vitality.
A post doesn't have to be meaningful or accomplish anything tangible, but a post within the last stretch of hours in a day is far more likely to try and accomplish something than a full week out.
And it did do something, it further distanced Cuth from the misyeet. So it's not that it did nothing, it's that what it did was scummy
Whether scum!Cuth accomplished something is not relevant to your argument, which was that town!Cuth would be trying to accomplish something with his post. I disagree with that premise, but that's not what we're talking about.
Even if we accept that "a post within the last stretch of hours in a day is far more likely to try and accomplish something than a full week out." as being true, that doesn't mean that that post was meant to accomplish anything. You're trying to say that he made a post that should have been trying to accomplish something, but didn't, which is another premise I disagree with.
If we assume you made the argument that "scum!Cuth is trying to distance from the misYeet", then that's fine... but it's not more likely than town!Cuth just disagreeing with the wagon. I don't think that you can point to scum or town based on that argument.
Re: Wit: Can you establish another Wit now that Az is dead? Is your Wit being unbreakable and permanent different than the norm, meaning are other Wits breakable or temporary? Also remind me why and when you Witted Az in the first place.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Just to cherry pick, but HR was a townread from Az and the person I pushed as scum more than any other in the game coming into today.
Ok, I still don't understand the Bur over Tubba choice, even when Az was scumreading him, but I can't say for sure it was scum motivated without more info.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
didnt Azreal target Cuth? that is also an option
or we vote in one of them, either Anak or Cuth
Or Sloth, or Tubba. We have lots of ligit options. Which is why it is so weird to me that Anak is claiming he's dead. Anak should be pushing a yeet on a scummy witer. (Which he is) but he shouldn't be thinking he will die, he should be expecting Wisp to vanish.
It's all about timing. It's right about when things are getting to the point of no return, and it's the token scum who knows the flip is town and wants to distance it from themselves.
Like look at that post as town, what does it accomplish? ***** all that's what. Cuth doesn't mention any reason why there, doesn't nominate another person, doesn't even toss a vote because they don't want attention.
Town there is literally better off posting nothing than what Cuth did.
Why would it have to accomplish anything tangible? Why could it not just be as simple as him saying "I don't agree with this wagon"?
Also, clarify your role for me. You have Wit, and as long as you're Witted with someone, you gain a Vitality per Night. Every Night regardless, you lose one Vitality. Is that correct?
@Anak
Too many posts too fast, hard to follow on mobile. Thanks again KJ.
I have Wit, my Wit is permanent and unbreakable. Each night, a vitality is drained from me and given to my Wit partner. I'm also Sealed and unable to use The Skill. I currently have 1 vitality.
I can survive as a vanilla town just fine, if I have no partner I lose no vitality.
A post doesn't have to be meaningful or accomplish anything tangible, but a post within the last stretch of hours in a day is far more likely to try and accomplish something than a full week out.
And it did do something, it further distanced Cuth from the misyeet. So it's not that it did nothing, it's that what it did was scummy
Whether scum!Cuth accomplished something is not relevant to your argument, which was that town!Cuth would be trying to accomplish something with his post. I disagree with that premise, but that's not what we're talking about.
Even if we accept that "a post within the last stretch of hours in a day is far more likely to try and accomplish something than a full week out." as being true, that doesn't mean that that post was meant to accomplish anything. You're trying to say that he made a post that should have been trying to accomplish something, but didn't, which is another premise I disagree with.
If we assume you made the argument that "scum!Cuth is trying to distance from the misYeet", then that's fine... but it's not more likely than town!Cuth just disagreeing with the wagon. I don't think that you can point to scum or town based on that argument.
Re: Wit: Can you establish another Wit now that Az is dead? Is your Wit being unbreakable and permanent different than the norm, meaning are other Wits breakable or temporary? Also remind me why and when you Witted Az in the first place.
Iso Witted Az on Day 1, not I. I don't actually know exactly when Iso did it, but early Day 1 somewhere.
Yes I theoretically could Wit someone else with Az gone now, but doing that would start draining a vitality each night. I'm not precisely sure how others Wits work, I just know how mine works because it's rather important to me living to understand it.
didnt Azreal target Cuth? that is also an option
or we vote in one of them, either Anak or Cuth
Or Sloth, or Tubba. We have lots of ligit options. Which is why it is so weird to me that Anak is claiming he's dead. Anak should be pushing a yeet on a scummy witer. (Which he is) but he shouldn't be thinking he will die, he should be expecting Wisp to vanish.
sloth is an option? but the problem here is Vit levels, I don't know who I can kill, but I know I can kill Anak. if I get removed from the game before night 4, then yes he doesn't have to worry, which is what he should be striving for if he isn't going to vote me.
Why would it have to accomplish anything tangible? Why could it not just be as simple as him saying "I don't agree with this wagon"?
Also, clarify your role for me. You have Wit, and as long as you're Witted with someone, you gain a Vitality per Night. Every Night regardless, you lose one Vitality. Is that correct?
@Anak
Too many posts too fast, hard to follow on mobile. Thanks again KJ.
I have Wit, my Wit is permanent and unbreakable. Each night, a vitality is drained from me and given to my Wit partner. I'm also Sealed and unable to use The Skill. I currently have 1 vitality.
I can survive as a vanilla town just fine, if I have no partner I lose no vitality.
A post doesn't have to be meaningful or accomplish anything tangible, but a post within the last stretch of hours in a day is far more likely to try and accomplish something than a full week out.
And it did do something, it further distanced Cuth from the misyeet. So it's not that it did nothing, it's that what it did was scummy
Whether scum!Cuth accomplished something is not relevant to your argument, which was that town!Cuth would be trying to accomplish something with his post. I disagree with that premise, but that's not what we're talking about.
Even if we accept that "a post within the last stretch of hours in a day is far more likely to try and accomplish something than a full week out." as being true, that doesn't mean that that post was meant to accomplish anything. You're trying to say that he made a post that should have been trying to accomplish something, but didn't, which is another premise I disagree with.
If we assume you made the argument that "scum!Cuth is trying to distance from the misYeet", then that's fine... but it's not more likely than town!Cuth just disagreeing with the wagon. I don't think that you can point to scum or town based on that argument.
Re: Wit: Can you establish another Wit now that Az is dead? Is your Wit being unbreakable and permanent different than the norm, meaning are other Wits breakable or temporary? Also remind me why and when you Witted Az in the first place.
Iso Witted Az on Day 1, not I. I don't actually know exactly when Iso did it, but early Day 1 somewhere.
Yes I theoretically could Wit someone else with Az gone now, but doing that would start draining a vitality each night. I'm not precisely sure how others Wits work, I just know how mine works because it's rather important to me living to understand it.
Could you Wit someone else? You know this for sure?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
didnt Azreal target Cuth? that is also an option
or we vote in one of them, either Anak or Cuth
Or Sloth, or Tubba. We have lots of ligit options. Which is why it is so weird to me that Anak is claiming he's dead. Anak should be pushing a yeet on a scummy witer. (Which he is) but he shouldn't be thinking he will die, he should be expecting Wisp to vanish.
sloth is an option? but the problem here is Vit levels, I don't know who I can kill, but I know I can kill Anak. if I get removed from the game before night 4, then yes he doesn't have to worry, which is what he should be striving for if he isn't going to vote me.
Yeah, if we yeet one of them you are out regardless of their Vit, and Anak lives.
didnt Azreal target Cuth? that is also an option
or we vote in one of them, either Anak or Cuth
Or Sloth, or Tubba. We have lots of ligit options. Which is why it is so weird to me that Anak is claiming he's dead. Anak should be pushing a yeet on a scummy witer. (Which he is) but he shouldn't be thinking he will die, he should be expecting Wisp to vanish.
sloth is an option? but the problem here is Vit levels, I don't know who I can kill, but I know I can kill Anak. if I get removed from the game before night 4, then yes he doesn't have to worry, which is what he should be striving for if he isn't going to vote me.
Yeah, if we yeet one of them you are out regardless of their Vit, and Anak lives.
Too many posts too fast, hard to follow on mobile. Thanks again KJ.
I have Wit, my Wit is permanent and unbreakable. Each night, a vitality is drained from me and given to my Wit partner. I'm also Sealed and unable to use The Skill. I currently have 1 vitality.
I can survive as a vanilla town just fine, if I have no partner I lose no vitality.
A post doesn't have to be meaningful or accomplish anything tangible, but a post within the last stretch of hours in a day is far more likely to try and accomplish something than a full week out.
And it did do something, it further distanced Cuth from the misyeet. So it's not that it did nothing, it's that what it did was scummy
Whether scum!Cuth accomplished something is not relevant to your argument, which was that town!Cuth would be trying to accomplish something with his post. I disagree with that premise, but that's not what we're talking about.
Even if we accept that "a post within the last stretch of hours in a day is far more likely to try and accomplish something than a full week out." as being true, that doesn't mean that that post was meant to accomplish anything. You're trying to say that he made a post that should have been trying to accomplish something, but didn't, which is another premise I disagree with.
If we assume you made the argument that "scum!Cuth is trying to distance from the misYeet", then that's fine... but it's not more likely than town!Cuth just disagreeing with the wagon. I don't think that you can point to scum or town based on that argument.
Re: Wit: Can you establish another Wit now that Az is dead? Is your Wit being unbreakable and permanent different than the norm, meaning are other Wits breakable or temporary? Also remind me why and when you Witted Az in the first place.
Iso Witted Az on Day 1, not I. I don't actually know exactly when Iso did it, but early Day 1 somewhere.
Yes I theoretically could Wit someone else with Az gone now, but doing that would start draining a vitality each night. I'm not precisely sure how others Wits work, I just know how mine works because it's rather important to me living to understand it.
Could you Wit someone else? You know this for sure?
After confirming with GF I can not Wit another person. However others can Wit me, and I would then give them 1 vitality each night. And the vitality drain is not optional and would kill me.
Az (8): Highroller, Sloth, Bur, Bessie, Wisp, KJ, Vaimes, Tammy
Tubba (4): Cuth, Bur, Wisp, KJ
Wisp (3): Highroller, BoomFrog , Az
Anak (3): Bessie, Sloth, Tammy
Cuth (2): Az, BoomFrog
Bur (1): Anak
Sloth (1): Cuth
Highroller (1): Anak
BoomFrog (1): Vaimes
Not Voting (2): Cantrip, Tubba
That is majority. Az has been condemned. Please stop posting while I post the end of day.
Hm. What does this mean?
I guess it probably means that there's probably not 3 scum in [Sloth/Bur/Bessie], and prob only one scum in [Sloth/Bessie] if we assume Anak is scum and Tammy is town. Tubba might be scum if Anak is as well.
@Anak: How could you think a wagon could get there on Bur given that almost no one actually voted him Yesterday?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Too many posts too fast, hard to follow on mobile. Thanks again KJ.
I have Wit, my Wit is permanent and unbreakable. Each night, a vitality is drained from me and given to my Wit partner. I'm also Sealed and unable to use The Skill. I currently have 1 vitality.
I can survive as a vanilla town just fine, if I have no partner I lose no vitality.
A post doesn't have to be meaningful or accomplish anything tangible, but a post within the last stretch of hours in a day is far more likely to try and accomplish something than a full week out.
And it did do something, it further distanced Cuth from the misyeet. So it's not that it did nothing, it's that what it did was scummy
Whether scum!Cuth accomplished something is not relevant to your argument, which was that town!Cuth would be trying to accomplish something with his post. I disagree with that premise, but that's not what we're talking about.
Even if we accept that "a post within the last stretch of hours in a day is far more likely to try and accomplish something than a full week out." as being true, that doesn't mean that that post was meant to accomplish anything. You're trying to say that he made a post that should have been trying to accomplish something, but didn't, which is another premise I disagree with.
If we assume you made the argument that "scum!Cuth is trying to distance from the misYeet", then that's fine... but it's not more likely than town!Cuth just disagreeing with the wagon. I don't think that you can point to scum or town based on that argument.
Re: Wit: Can you establish another Wit now that Az is dead? Is your Wit being unbreakable and permanent different than the norm, meaning are other Wits breakable or temporary? Also remind me why and when you Witted Az in the first place.
Iso Witted Az on Day 1, not I. I don't actually know exactly when Iso did it, but early Day 1 somewhere.
Yes I theoretically could Wit someone else with Az gone now, but doing that would start draining a vitality each night. I'm not precisely sure how others Wits work, I just know how mine works because it's rather important to me living to understand it.
Could you Wit someone else? You know this for sure?
After confirming with GF I can not Wit another person. However others can Wit me, and I would then give them 1 vitality each night. And the vitality drain is not optional and would kill me.
So uh, don't do that please?
Yeah, I was gonna say, all the dead Wit folks had one shots. If yours wasn't... that would be interesting.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Regardless there is 100% no reason to ever yeet Wisp. (Unless he's secretly scum which I'm ignoring). Every yeet costs us letting scum get a night kill and ping 1 Vit. Because town powers cost Vit stalling is a net loss for us. So even if Anak is town and Wisp is killing him, it's still not worth it to yeet Wisp to save Anak.
the game is over if we yeet witted town
the game is over if we lynch town and I kill Anak if he is town
the game is not over if we lynch town and I kill Anak and he is a wolf
the game is also not over if we yeet a wolf
those are the scenarios, removing me, removes the first town scenarios
so its not hard to see why I should die
Tubba (8): Az, GJ, Anak, KJ, Silver, BoomFrog, Wisp, Tammy
Az (5): Bur, HR, Bessie, Tubba, Sloth
BoomFrog (1): Cuth
Silver (1): GJ
Not Voting (2): Cantrip, Vaimes
If there are any issues please PM me. Scene to come shortly. Please stop posting as we are past the deadline.
So what does this mean?
First thing I see is that same group of [Bur/Sloth/Bessie] on Az again. Def not all three scum. Might be two? Although its the same wagon, so I'd have to check the votes there to see consistency. Will do that later.
Also noticing a lot of dead/me town on the Tubba wagon. Might push Tubba into wagonomically leaning scum.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I don’t know about outed, but he’s wolfy, and has been all game.
Coy is putting it mildly, and it’s conveniently left you with no blood on your hands or hard stances on slots. Vote Cuth
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
tbh here man, it feels like you literally just let Azreal die, and I don't understand the townie mindset in that at all
and its hard to believe that you couldn't conclude better reasons than, "Tubba and Highroller are wolves for pushing the 3p"
you also aren't reading the game when you made statements like, "Highroller was a witter", which wasn't true
I mean it was pretty much a better idea to go after Tubba no matter how you look at it.
I started with 5 vitality, currently sitting at 1. I would have been dead today if not for the bonus vitality from yesterday
when did u start losing health?
I mean I don't understand how you think I literally let Az die when I was defending him so much that I was getting scum read for it, and getting called out by others for doing so.
But sure keep deriding me for letting die the one person I was the most invested in this game
Oh Anak Answered me. IDK how I missed that.
Does that mean you thought that Bur had a better chance of getting a wagon than Tubba?
it could just be me projecting honestly
but like if I thought someone was obvious town, I would not have 60 posts, and assuming that additional information could not be better than not giving it at all.
It's all about timing. It's right about when things are getting to the point of no return, and it's the token scum who knows the flip is town and wants to distance it from themselves.
Like look at that post as town, what does it accomplish? ***** all that's what. Cuth doesn't mention any reason why there, doesn't nominate another person, doesn't even toss a vote because they don't want attention.
Town there is literally better off posting nothing than what Cuth did.
the people he's pushing and town-reading by and large trend towards a wolf victory if my reads aren't entirely off base in a majority of worlds
pure town-siding is only pushing wolves, pure wolf-siding is only pushing villagers
etc
his reads and such are rather inaccurate and (and this is important) i don't really think his justifications (sparsely given, to boot) for pushing the worst of these opinions don't feel very organic
and sloth can put passion and pizzazz into posts all day long, but the floaty complex non-linear process is what's particularly town-indicative from him, and i've not seen that at all since like d1
and instead he's just been picking on low-hanging targets and pushing for many bad yeets
some have flipped v
some are me
some are wisp
etc
I lost 1 night 1, 1 night 2, gained one day three, and lost 3 last night.
I even said that I didn't think Az was confirmed, just that his heart was ***** and we needed his analysis to keep us in the game. If he was around on say Day 6 then he's probably deep scum that needs yeeting! Az directly referenced that in his town read of me.
It's disingenuous to suggest that I actually knew As was town, he was just a top townread with a bad wagon on him.
@KJ yeah exactly, and honestly trying to align with Az a bit played into me picking But too. Didn't help at all though
Also, clarify your role for me. You have Wit, and as long as you're Witted with someone, you gain a Vitality per Night. Every Night regardless, you lose one Vitality. Is that correct?
your point?
She herself stated that she feels like she's living in opposite land in terms of reads and then player alignment after flipping. If I'm scum I keep that person around for sure, at least until more priority targets are gone
Sorry if I missed it, what would you like me to clarify?
@Cuth Okay then, why did you make that post?
sorry not sure i'm being clear
this is entirely based on my perception of the game/reads
this isn't like "i think he's being TMI-y" specifically
but there are fewer and fewer worlds as times goes on in which our respective views of the game can be reconciled
and he continues to push almost exclusively people i think are villagers (and wisp)
Because he was one with the most effort in the game, and his reads made a lot of sense. It's still shocking to me that somehow everyone else just like...didn't see that. Or let scum cloud their judgment I guess.
It's one of the worst mis yeets I have seen in a while. Thought that doesn't mean much because I haven't played in a while.
I don’t know about outed, but he’s wolfy, and has been all game.
Coy is putting it mildly, and it’s conveniently left you with no blood on your hands or hard stances on slots.
Vote Cuth
Too many posts too fast, hard to follow on mobile. Thanks again KJ.
I have Wit, my Wit is permanent and unbreakable. Each night, a vitality is drained from me and given to my Wit partner. I'm also Sealed and unable to use The Skill. I currently have 1 vitality.
I can survive as a vanilla town just fine, if I have no partner I lose no vitality.
A post doesn't have to be meaningful or accomplish anything tangible, but a post within the last stretch of hours in a day is far more likely to try and accomplish something than a full week out.
And it did do something, it further distanced Cuth from the misyeet. So it's not that it did nothing, it's that what it did was scummy
Just to cherry pick, but HR was a townread from Az and the person I pushed as scum more than any other in the game coming into today.
or we vote in one of them, either Anak or Cuth
Even if we accept that "a post within the last stretch of hours in a day is far more likely to try and accomplish something than a full week out." as being true, that doesn't mean that that post was meant to accomplish anything. You're trying to say that he made a post that should have been trying to accomplish something, but didn't, which is another premise I disagree with.
If we assume you made the argument that "scum!Cuth is trying to distance from the misYeet", then that's fine... but it's not more likely than town!Cuth just disagreeing with the wagon. I don't think that you can point to scum or town based on that argument.
Re: Wit: Can you establish another Wit now that Az is dead? Is your Wit being unbreakable and permanent different than the norm, meaning are other Wits breakable or temporary? Also remind me why and when you Witted Az in the first place.
Iso Witted Az on Day 1, not I. I don't actually know exactly when Iso did it, but early Day 1 somewhere.
Yes I theoretically could Wit someone else with Az gone now, but doing that would start draining a vitality each night. I'm not precisely sure how others Wits work, I just know how mine works because it's rather important to me living to understand it.
You town read Tubba?
After confirming with GF I can not Wit another person. However others can Wit me, and I would then give them 1 vitality each night. And the vitality drain is not optional and would kill me.
So uh, don't do that please?
I guess it probably means that there's probably not 3 scum in [Sloth/Bur/Bessie], and prob only one scum in [Sloth/Bessie] if we assume Anak is scum and Tammy is town. Tubba might be scum if Anak is as well.
@Anak: How could you think a wagon could get there on Bur given that almost no one actually voted him Yesterday?
Congratulations Wisp. You've already won.
the game is over if we lynch town and I kill Anak if he is town
the game is not over if we lynch town and I kill Anak and he is a wolf
the game is also not over if we yeet a wolf
those are the scenarios, removing me, removes the first town scenarios
so its not hard to see why I should die
First thing I see is that same group of [Bur/Sloth/Bessie] on Az again. Def not all three scum. Might be two? Although its the same wagon, so I'd have to check the votes there to see consistency. Will do that later.
Also noticing a lot of dead/me town on the Tubba wagon. Might push Tubba into wagonomically leaning scum.
if not, it depends on wolves killing someone extra with their vit loss