We don't just disagree on the math, CC. We also disagree about the relevence of the four-pack that Silver proposed. And it doesn't make sense for you to still be doing, or at least you should have reconsidered your position here. If you think I'm town, then I really believe what I'm saying. But no, you're pushing your position still, in your discussions with Sloth, and using it against him as well. But not me, like I said, and not Silver, who was the first person who had this position.
So, if the position of [there are scum in Silver, Rhand, Bur, Crops] is scattershot and comes from a scum mindset, why are two of the people who hold it not scum in your eyes?
First of all, what Silver said was that "There's probably a wolf in the players who followed me onto Iso but I'm gonna town lean them all anyway," which is not shading anyone at all. There's no comparison there.
As for your stance, okay so maybe it's just me who got caught up in the math, but it doesn't change much. My vote on Sloth came after his response to my initial jab. As I've already stated, I read your responses as genuine whereas his read fake to me. So again, there's really no comparison.
You're framing this as though my vote is simply for that initial scattershot post, but it is not. It is for his response to the initial accusation. Sloth basically refusing to even have this conversation at this point just replying "no u" and scoffing the whole thing off pretty much solidifies it at this point.
@GJ: Actually I specifically said I didn't endorse leaving him alive until day 3, just that I was leaning town atm. But thanks for calling my statement stupid, that was very helpful. The bold text was an especially nice touch.
Gonna be really bummed if Az tried to come back and rolled wolf for a third game in a row and that's why he hasn't posted
Whisper should claim his wincon on threat of being the default exile, on the presumption that he's actually just a serial killer
my wincon is kill 3 of 5 people, via being on their train and/or my ability, my ability does very little too people who aren't my target, so u don't have to worry me killing literally anyone, and I don't kill, I just take vitality
I am not a serial killer, I would certainly not be able to achieve my win-con by claiming
I claimed mainly to stop this team discussion because Rhand and Silver should know better, and I don't particularly agree with GJ looking worse because of something that isn't happening
Gonna be really bummed if Az tried to come back and rolled wolf for a third game in a row and that's why he hasn't posted
Whisper should claim his wincon on threat of being the default exile, on the presumption that he's actually just a serial killer
my wincon is kill 3 of 5 people, via being on their train and/or my ability, my ability does very little too people who aren't my target, so u don't have to worry me killing literally anyone, and I don't kill, I just take vitality
I am not a serial killer, I would certainly not be able to achieve my win-con by claiming
Gonna be really bummed if Az tried to come back and rolled wolf for a third game in a row and that's why he hasn't posted
Whisper should claim his wincon on threat of being the default exile, on the presumption that he's actually just a serial killer
my wincon is kill 3 of 5 people, via being on their train and/or my ability, my ability does very little too people who aren't my target, so u don't have to worry me killing literally anyone, and I don't kill, I just take vitality
I am not a serial killer, I would certainly not be able to achieve my win-con by claiming
anyways can I lol-cat now?
Who are the people you need to kill?
no idea, I can tell you that they all have something in common, that isn't alignment-based though
@GJ: Actually I specifically said I didn't endorse leaving him alive until day 3, just that I was leaning town atm. But thanks for calling my statement stupid, that was very helpful. The bold text was an especially nice touch.
I am glad you got my point. Wisp as a matter of fact did, but it does appear I misread your post. An easy mistake to make when someone uses a double negative.
the only thing I want to assume is that one, they aren't all town, and two, 4 of them aren't all mafia (yes I am assuming 4 mafia, it makes sense)
that would be kinda unfair for one side I think? Honestly I don't know anything about game balance
at this point idc, considered this game not the forefront of my energy. I have to find people that have a certain ability that aligns with the mechanic of this game, which my ability does literally nothing to differentiate from, so like
the one good thing of being a 3rd party, is that I can still scum hunt, since I don't also have the pressure of TMI, but like it's still pretty damn hard to win.
The best strategy is just to vote on all the top trains, and hope that I don't have 3 town targets whom of which all die in the night?
at this point idc, considered this game not the forefront of my energy. I have to find people that have a certain ability that aligns with the mechanic of this game, which my ability does literally nothing to differentiate from, so like
the one good thing of being a 3rd party, is that I can still scum hunt, since I don't also have the pressure of TMI, but like it's still pretty damn hard to win.
The best strategy is just to vote on all the top trains, and hope that I don't have 3 town targets whom of which all die in the night?
Surely we are on sub-optimal strategies at this point? Best strategy would have been to say nothing, target hunt by pretending to scum hunt etc. I dont even know if Im going to let this affect my read of ou. I just dont like the puzzle on top of a puzzle. Now i need to question your motives three ways nstead of two, like is your vote townside, scumside or yourside?
ya but like again this GJ/Me linkage was dumb pre-flip, and I didn't want that has some false reason to bully GJ, and I'd rather just be left alone to do my own thing, since I was already getting heat for reasons I consider dumb, especially given my meta
what puzzle? I don't know who they are, and it would be insane to tell me straight up, since I can literally kill them after a few days, I know a grouping of 5 people all have a certain ability, which saying it possibly hurts both town, and wolves, as well as my chances of getting that information
I will me-side obviously when it comes down to it lol, but like if I know a mafia and a town target, I will go for the mafia based on my own personal bias, but again that probably lowers the chances of town being PoE by votes, which means I have to kill them myself
and I was scum hunting, I still think GJ looks terrible, and Rhand's "EMOTION" is such a dumb read
It wouldnt be the first time Wisp has made a false claim, nor the firat time they've made a false claim day one. Its not impossible for it to be true, I'm just aful skeptical. Its a chaos play that they would make as either alignment and i dont know what to do with it, so its probably better for me to just disregard it and keep reading them.
I believe Wisp. I just finished a game co-hosted by him where I claimed neutral as mafia and Wisp was very adamant that that claim should have gotten me lynched. Him claiming neutral as mafia right after would be extremely weird.
Mafia will know what that ability is he’s looking for since they’ll have multiples of the same mechanic related ability Wisp is talking about unless he has only 1 mafia target in his grouping of 5. Might as well full claim @Wisp so town knows too.
I believe Wisp. I just finished a game co-hosted by him where I claimed neutral as mafia and Wisp was very adamant that that claim should have gotten me lynched. Him claiming neutral as mafia right after would be extremely weird.
Mafia will know what that ability is he’s looking for since they’ll have multiples of the same mechanic related ability Wisp is talking about unless he has only 1 mafia target in his grouping of 5. Might as well full claim @Wisp so town knows too.
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I am looking for witted people, there are 5 of them
They all have an ability which is an extension of the game mechanic, they can make permanent, limited chats with people, idk if its still costs vitality though, it doesn't say
I believe Wisp. I just finished a game co-hosted by him where I claimed neutral as mafia and Wisp was very adamant that that claim should have gotten me lynched. Him claiming neutral as mafia right after would be extremely weird.
Mafia will know what that ability is he’s looking for since they’ll have multiples of the same mechanic related ability Wisp is talking about unless he has only 1 mafia target in his grouping of 5. Might as well full claim @Wisp so town knows too.
unvote
I am looking for witted people, there are 5 of them
They all have an ability which is an extension of the game mechanic, they can make permanent, limited chats with people, idk if its still costs vitality though, it doesn't say
Ok. Sounds legit.
What do you think about Tubba’s reaction to your initial claim?
So my vote on Tammy was pseudo-serious, mostly because of #8 where she encouraged KJ. The enthusiasm felt weird, but now I'm thinking she's just genuinely happy to have not rolled scum.
My phrasing in my vote was intended to be a reaction test to see who jumped on Tammy (and for what reasons) and who defended her.
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Tammy, Silver feel town.
Sloth feels like he's trying to solve, so he can be town.
KJ vs CC feels like two players putting their desire to be right on something trivial higher than any kind of win-con-related agenda, which makes me think they're TvT.
GJ's indignant frustration makes me want to town read him, but I think I remember him acting similarly as scum. @GJ: Can you list past scum games on this site so I can try to refresh my memory?
@Vaimes: Why does GJ rate a tier with 0-posters Iso and Az?
@Rhand: Do you think I like(d) your roleplay, or was I annoyed by it?
Tubba, WMU, Bur haven't really registered for me, which is only concerning, somewhat, for Bur, but maybe he's just busy. Cuth has mostly only registered for me because of their vote on me, but I can understand where he's coming from, so he's still null for me.
I think Chad has a >rand chance to be scum, mostly based on their "most of [Cantrip's] early posts struck me as odd" when I'd only made one post. Some reservations here, though, because I could see some town paranoia after the recent game he mentioned.
Highroller popping in to flavor claim and then peace-ing out is...pretty standard Highroller, I think. I'll need more data before forming an opinion.
@Wisp: So does your ability kill players who meet your criteria, or not? In 357 you said you have to kill players by being on their wagon or via your ability, but then you said you don't kill you just take vitality, so...?
Also, weren't we scum together not too long ago where you made up a terrible 3rd party role that either did get or should have gotten you sussed out?
I don't feel strongly enough about anyone to have a vote placed right now.
Unvote
Also, I was given a project at work yesterday that is going to consume a lot of time, so I likely will be light in my posting (said the guy with--now--two posts, haha) for at least the next 2-3 days. I'll try to keep up with the thread, though.
Wisp randomly claiming his role in middle of D1 seems pretty standard Wisp. I'm seconding Rhand here and want him to fully claim his role/wincon.
I don't immediately want to vote him out, but if we don't get rid flip after few Days and we're nearing LyLo, I'm more than willing to take Wisp behind the sauna.
I feel like there was something else that I needed to respond to, but I don't have time for it right now. If there was something, just ping me again.
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The GJ way path to no lynching:
Why this reaction?
As for your stance, okay so maybe it's just me who got caught up in the math, but it doesn't change much. My vote on Sloth came after his response to my initial jab. As I've already stated, I read your responses as genuine whereas his read fake to me. So again, there's really no comparison.
You're framing this as though my vote is simply for that initial scattershot post, but it is not. It is for his response to the initial accusation. Sloth basically refusing to even have this conversation at this point just replying "no u" and scoffing the whole thing off pretty much solidifies it at this point.
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@GJ: Actually I specifically said I didn't endorse leaving him alive until day 3, just that I was leaning town atm. But thanks for calling my statement stupid, that was very helpful. The bold text was an especially nice touch.
Whisper should claim his wincon on threat of being the default exile, on the presumption that he's actually just a serial killer
Claiming neutral out of the blue, with no actual pressure his way.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I am not a serial killer, I would certainly not be able to achieve my win-con by claiming
anyways can I lol-cat now?
ah okay. I read it as a response to there being a third party in the game and was confused.
Who are the people you need to kill?
I don't actually expect this strategy to help but it's fun to say it out loud.
I am glad you got my point. Wisp as a matter of fact did, but it does appear I misread your post. An easy mistake to make when someone uses a double negative.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
that would be kinda unfair for one side I think? Honestly I don't know anything about game balance
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Five target hitman is almost always like, 1/5 or 2/5 wolves
But if you don't know their flavor names I question the purpose of the role at all
Ah yeah okay that checks out
i'm mostly sitting back in my chair and occasionally stirring the contents of the slow-cooker that is my mind
feel like i feel fairly strongly about a few players in the game but don't know what i actually think about them
wisp is one
as is gj
i should probably also read the setup at some point
If they die but he didn't help it doesn't count.
Unless I misunderstood
this seems like an ~accurate claim but we should probably
ignore it? in terms of deciding who to kill at any given point
i enjoy thinking about the world where it's just straight up a wolf role/something they came up with
gj is who i thought he is
that's not massively helpful but at least i have some familiarity with him
the one good thing of being a 3rd party, is that I can still scum hunt, since I don't also have the pressure of TMI, but like it's still pretty damn hard to win.
The best strategy is just to vote on all the top trains, and hope that I don't have 3 town targets whom of which all die in the night?
Surely we are on sub-optimal strategies at this point? Best strategy would have been to say nothing, target hunt by pretending to scum hunt etc. I dont even know if Im going to let this affect my read of ou. I just dont like the puzzle on top of a puzzle. Now i need to question your motives three ways nstead of two, like is your vote townside, scumside or yourside?
what puzzle? I don't know who they are, and it would be insane to tell me straight up, since I can literally kill them after a few days, I know a grouping of 5 people all have a certain ability, which saying it possibly hurts both town, and wolves, as well as my chances of getting that information
and I was scum hunting, I still think GJ looks terrible, and Rhand's "EMOTION" is such a dumb read
It wouldnt be the first time Wisp has made a false claim, nor the firat time they've made a false claim day one. Its not impossible for it to be true, I'm just aful skeptical. Its a chaos play that they would make as either alignment and i dont know what to do with it, so its probably better for me to just disregard it and keep reading them.
i'm a bit curious about the rationale
mm
it makes a lot of narrative sense timing-wise
that specific claim
and doesn't really achieve anything other than perhaps making us not yeet him if we believe it
Mafia will know what that ability is he’s looking for since they’ll have multiples of the same mechanic related ability Wisp is talking about unless he has only 1 mafia target in his grouping of 5. Might as well full claim @Wisp so town knows too.
unvote
They all have an ability which is an extension of the game mechanic, they can make permanent, limited chats with people, idk if its still costs vitality though, it doesn't say
Ok. Sounds legit.
What do you think about Tubba’s reaction to your initial claim?
My phrasing in my vote was intended to be a reaction test to see who jumped on Tammy (and for what reasons) and who defended her.
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Tammy, Silver feel town.
Sloth feels like he's trying to solve, so he can be town.
KJ vs CC feels like two players putting their desire to be right on something trivial higher than any kind of win-con-related agenda, which makes me think they're TvT.
GJ's indignant frustration makes me want to town read him, but I think I remember him acting similarly as scum. @GJ: Can you list past scum games on this site so I can try to refresh my memory?
@Vaimes: Why does GJ rate a tier with 0-posters Iso and Az?
@Rhand: Do you think I like(d) your roleplay, or was I annoyed by it?
Tubba, WMU, Bur haven't really registered for me, which is only concerning, somewhat, for Bur, but maybe he's just busy. Cuth has mostly only registered for me because of their vote on me, but I can understand where he's coming from, so he's still null for me.
I think Chad has a >rand chance to be scum, mostly based on their "most of [Cantrip's] early posts struck me as odd" when I'd only made one post. Some reservations here, though, because I could see some town paranoia after the recent game he mentioned.
Highroller popping in to flavor claim and then peace-ing out is...pretty standard Highroller, I think. I'll need more data before forming an opinion.
@Wisp: So does your ability kill players who meet your criteria, or not? In 357 you said you have to kill players by being on their wagon or via your ability, but then you said you don't kill you just take vitality, so...?
Also, weren't we scum together not too long ago where you made up a terrible 3rd party role that either did get or should have gotten you sussed out?
I don't feel strongly enough about anyone to have a vote placed right now.
Unvote
Also, I was given a project at work yesterday that is going to consume a lot of time, so I likely will be light in my posting (said the guy with--now--two posts, haha) for at least the next 2-3 days. I'll try to keep up with the thread, though.
I don't immediately want to vote him out, but if we don't get rid flip after few Days and we're nearing LyLo, I'm more than willing to take Wisp behind the sauna.
I feel like there was something else that I needed to respond to, but I don't have time for it right now. If there was something, just ping me again.
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2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
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{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player