I'm wondering if there's friction between Bur's role and bessie's. Would you classify a neighborizer such as him as psudoinvestigative due to the ability in those private conversations to get insight not possible in the public thread, or is a communication ability not thought of like that in balancing?
@Tammy: I think boom's ability is expensive enough to be in a game with you and have you both be town, sure.
Dude, why even ask this, there's no definite right answer without Grape confirming it.
But no, Neighborhoods don't give any info nor do they prevent you from lying, they aren't masons. Neighborhoods is just another chat to bluff your way in as scum, same as the thread.
I literally said why I wanted to know: To see if I should include Bur in the group of investigatives already claimed/outed. It wasn't so much "What would Grape do" but "how should I look at this when trying to deduce what roles are in the game?"
I'm just trying to learn man. Teach me.
TEACH ME YOUR WAYS, OH TYRANT KING OF MAFIA
Oh, also, full disclosure, I believe your role the least. Your role is a strictly worse role than Cuth is claiming, and has the most potential to have additional abilities on top of your "1 to 1". Although Bur is up there too.
How likely do you think it is that Bur has more abilities, Sloth? What's the powerlevel of Bur's passive neighcorizer?
Re: Awakening ability: Ok, so why has no one claimed it? We've massclaimed, and no one besides me has confessed to hiding anything about their ability.
Also Cuth did not skill me.
Highroller:OH i see where the confusion is. I wasn't saying "I currently think it's Lylo, I was saying "LyLo is when we should claim values".
@Vaimes: I'm not gonna clear Sloth because Tammy isn't dead. I don't feel like Tammy was a big threat to Sloth in the early game. Do you not think it's possible for Sloth to deep wolf this much?
you're on a different track than i was when i wrote what you initially replied to
i'm trying to get you to come up with a reasonable world where i claim what i do here when i do as a wolf
To justify the later use of it I suppose.
My theory, if you're scum, you're likely either a Strongman or a Ninja. But saying "why would I do this as scum" Is WIFOM.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Tubba
If the team is a combination of Bur/Cuth/Anak, then highroller can suck my toe, I'm hoping it is for the clout, since that means everyone of my charms hit a wolf, but who knows
but when we're talking about me calling a lot of attention to myself and explicitly claiming an obviously provable mechanic
the leading theories for me being a wolf and doing this is to move suspicion off myself? by spending most of my time this game talking about this ability before intentionally not killing anyone or claiming a kill or anything?
because either i do have a kill and i chose not to use it or i have another strong PR and who knows what i was doing there (also i didn't do anything n1) or i didn't have a strong PR at all and i'm doing this because i want to draw attention to myself for ??? reasons instead of spending that time playing the game and trying to get villagers yeeted instead of wolves
i'm not defending the overall quality of my play and depth of my engagement, but this is something that makes far, far more sense if i have exactly the role i have
and people insisting that i'm saying the wolves have exactly one rb and that's damning is pretty silly for numerous reasons
Cuth honestly man, people just took better, that's what it comes down to, when you play like this, if it's any consolation, I would love to kill Anak before everyone because I think he is always in the PoE, and he is also witted
I can't keep playing around people knowing that they are playing poorly, and then using wifom to defend their behavior, it just doesn't work like that, and you know that, you should know that
Give me a wolf poe of 4 people, it shouldn't be hard
and sloth pushing wisp here is bad because that's literally one of two options the wolves were going for as soon as they saw the role in the game
and this is why i'm not comfortable with highroller specifically
either they get him yeeted right away through town paranoia or they try to force it through lategame for an easy misyeet
because it's absolutely a justifiable position to be like "hey this is a hostile we don't trust him to townside", and any yeet that's not on a wolf is good for them
yeeting wisp here is basically conceding that we don't really care about getting the wolves and that we somehow think this will be easier to do tomorrow when we have even fewer villagers alive
am i saying that villagers won't conclude that it's best to yeet wisp? no, but i think the way sloth has handled that, in conjunction with the way his poe and pushes have evolved over time, is specifically a bad look for him
also anyone who thinks wisp has a chance in hell of being a wolf at this point is reading a different game, and i'm prepared to eat my metaphorical hat on that point
this gamestate feels like one where we correctly built a decent (if small) village core at the top, albeit with mediocre communication and solving, but haven't actually resolved the poe very well, and there's a subset of said poe that's specifically trying to push the people not in that group/onto very specific names instead of the genuinely most wolfy people who don't have much going for them at all
and doing anything other than finding the villagers in the poe and dunking on the rest is doing a massive disservice to ourselves and the people who have died so far
Cuth honestly man, people just took better, that's what it comes down to, when you play like this, if it's any consolation, I would love to kill Anak before everyone because I think he is always in the PoE, and he is also witted
I can't keep playing around people knowing that they are playing poorly, and then using wifom to defend their behavior, it just doesn't work like that, and you know that, you should know that
Give me a wolf poe of 4 people, it shouldn't be hard
dude my poe's been basically the same for a while
high confidence at least 2 in [bessie, sloth, tubba], with a side of [hr, bur, anak? (pending further review based on vaimes' opinions)] more or less in that order
i literally have no opinion on cantrip, and i think boom's claim d2 and behavior around eod there was a good look so he's a distinct v lean
if you want to see an interesting comparison, look over the last couple phases at how kj and sloth ask people questions
kj is probing, actually asking very good clarifying questions and then jotting it down in a little notebook and keeping on going
he's looking around the poe and trying to make sure he's keeping things straight and people have good stories and all
sloth is just straight up either pushing people through asking them questions (couching them in such a way that it's like an "explain yourself you wolf" instead of a "this doesn't make sense to me can you help me understand), or giving random space for people to propagate ideas, and there's a lot less genuine exploration and a lot less... movement? the narrative structure makes sense as a whole, ie his reads trend in a general direction big picture, but there aren't very many little picture moments that make me be like "ah yes this is what's happening under the surface"
and given that most of his time has been spent prosecuting villagers since d1, you can understand why this bothers me
I'll vote Bessie or Anak before I vote you, probably? I think you are just walking all over people's thoughts of you, with wifom that is just not something we can ever use. And it's not like you are a dumb player, I want to believe you know exactly what your re doing regardless of your alignment.
Also I can't handle Tubba's posts, they are getting to me
and sloth pushing wisp here is bad because that's literally one of two options the wolves were going for as soon as they saw the role in the game
and this is why i'm not comfortable with highroller specifically
either they get him yeeted right away through town paranoia or they try to force it through lategame for an easy misyeet
because it's absolutely a justifiable position to be like "hey this is a hostile we don't trust him to townside", and any yeet that's not on a wolf is good for them
yeeting wisp here is basically conceding that we don't really care about getting the wolves and that we somehow think this will be easier to do tomorrow when we have even fewer villagers alive
am i saying that villagers won't conclude that it's best to yeet wisp? no, but i think the way sloth has handled that, in conjunction with the way his poe and pushes have evolved over time, is specifically a bad look for him
also anyone who thinks wisp has a chance in hell of being a wolf at this point is reading a different game, and i'm prepared to eat my metaphorical hat on that point
this gamestate feels like one where we correctly built a decent (if small) village core at the top, albeit with mediocre communication and solving, but haven't actually resolved the poe very well, and there's a subset of said poe that's specifically trying to push the people not in that group/onto very specific names instead of the genuinely most wolfy people who don't have much going for them at all
and doing anything other than finding the villagers in the poe and dunking on the rest is doing a massive disservice to ourselves and the people who have died so far
Highroller is playing mediocre regardless of his alignment, that's why he still thinks I am a wolf, I expect Highroller as a wolf based on this particular playstyle, to freeze up. I would never listen to any of his opinions, especially seeing his play in the micro we just finished. This is a team game and he is absolutely not a team player
it's analyzing patterns of behavior and mindsets when you think for yourself
that's why i phrased it the way i did lol
because it's an absolutely valid way to read people
all i'm saying is that for people to push the narrative that i'm a wolf for my behavior, they need to be able to construct a narrative whereby not even the most understandable, but an understandable motive for my behavior as a wolf exists
because while i understand that the overall level of analysis this game isn't that deep, and i haven't helped much in that regard, i'm not going to let people get away with saying things are wolfy without actually giving any good reasons (especially if, as in this case, i think it would be quite difficult to explain the way i've played if i'm not exactly my role as claimed particularly given that there are basically no worlds in which i'm the wolf version of my claimed role lol)
Highroller is playing mediocre regardless of his alignment, that's why he still thinks I am a wolf, I expect Highroller as a wolf based on this particular playstyle, to freeze up. I would never listen to any of his opinions, especially seeing his play in the micro we just finished. This is a team game and he is absolutely not a team player
but what if he's a wolf who realized that pushing you was justifiable and just kept doing it, and who switched from "this might be a wolf or might be neutral" to "non-town player, yeet"
like i would have v-read that much more if he'd done it super strongly for two phases and then been like "okay, time's over, that's it"
but i think wolves are super hesitant to bring you to endgame when they're both afraid of you potentially targeting one of them at night and know that there's a reasonable case to be made for you being the kill here from a village pov
and d4 is absolutely the worst time to be pushing for your yeet in my book
if people think highroller has been villagery independent of that push i'm ok with listening to that
but i'm strongly against v-reading him for that specifically at this point because it's gone from "no that's silly" to "that might actually just straight up lose us the game most of the time" and he's still doing it and not much else at all
I'm v reading him because of meta, but it's weaker since I don't have an actual wolf game from him.
Sloth in particular since we are talking about him, has had an extremely poor day 4, I expect some real cases on wolves, but he has defaulted to trashing on everyone posts, that's all it is. And I bet I can even find more instances of this if I back read him
I'm v reading him because of meta, but it's weaker since I don't have an actual wolf game from him.
Sloth in particular since we are talking about him, has had an extremely poor day 4, I expect some real cases on wolves, but he has defaulted to trashing on everyone posts, that's all it is. And I bet I can even find more instances of this if I back read him
Ccuth, will u be around in like 3 hours, cause I would really like for you to do some real time with me, like you iso highroller, since I'm a little biased there, and I will iso Sloth
Cuth honestly man, people just took better, that's what it comes down to, when you play like this, if it's any consolation, I would love to kill Anak before everyone because I think he is always in the PoE, and he is also witted
I can't keep playing around people knowing that they are playing poorly, and then using wifom to defend their behavior, it just doesn't work like that, and you know that, you should know that
Give me a wolf poe of 4 people, it shouldn't be hard
dude my poe's been basically the same for a while
high confidence at least 2 in [bessie, sloth, tubba], with a side of [hr, bur, anak? (pending further review based on vaimes' opinions)] more or less in that order
i literally have no opinion on cantrip, and i think boom's claim d2 and behavior around eod there was a good look so he's a distinct v lean
the others are all ride or die
Idk what to think of this slip.
Still waiting for Bessie.
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Cuth honestly man, people just took better, that's what it comes down to, when you play like this, if it's any consolation, I would love to kill Anak before everyone because I think he is always in the PoE, and he is also witted
I can't keep playing around people knowing that they are playing poorly, and then using wifom to defend their behavior, it just doesn't work like that, and you know that, you should know that
Give me a wolf poe of 4 people, it shouldn't be hard
dude my poe's been basically the same for a while
high confidence at least 2 in [bessie, sloth, tubba], with a side of [hr, bur, anak? (pending further review based on vaimes' opinions)] more or less in that order
i literally have no opinion on cantrip, and i think boom's claim d2 and behavior around eod there was a good look so he's a distinct v lean
@Cuth
Tbh though, highroller still thinking I can be a wolf, does feel kinda forced
@Bur
I noticed him say Cantrip, but i just assumed he wrong the wrong name, I have no how that can be misconstrued as a slip, or if you seriously believe that
@Cuth
Tbh though, highroller still thinking I can be a wolf, does feel kinda forced
@Bur
I noticed him say Cantrip, but i just assumed he wrong the wrong name, I have no how that can be misconstrued as a slip, or if you seriously believe that
Idk if slip is wrong word and brain fart is better, but I'm referring to Cuth thinking Cantrip was still alive.
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Man Tubba and Cuth are responding so well, right now, I hate this.
what do you make of the way tubba was run up d2 (i think?) and then has basically not had much of any pressure since then apart from from a few people specifically
do you think he did anything differently that could cause that change?
@sloth
Why are you not voting Anak?
Also did you ever say why you targeted GJ
@Boom
I asked you the same question, if you think he is a wolf, relying on my ability is stupid, since that gaurentees more information going into the night
Man Tubba and Cuth are responding so well, right now, I hate this.
what do you make of the way tubba was run up d2 (i think?) and then has basically not had much of any pressure since then apart from from a few people specifically
do you think he did anything differently that could cause that change?
not really? I have never cared much for those kind of thoughts, I think the entire thread dynamic, literally f'ed up so much natural thread progression between day 2 and 3
I am gonna be so obnoxious if Anak and Sloth end up being scumbuddies.
I reread Azrael to see if there were any hints as to Anak's role. Nothing. Azrael just goes on about how clear Anak is and that's it.
His last will and testament was to murder HR/Bur/Cuth/Bessie. Cuth is at least doing a good job of arguing his case [so late into the game :V]. I really don't know what to do with Bur and HR. Both still seem town to me just based on behavior. Like yeah, HR tailing Wisp all game could be a smokescreen but he isn't wrong when he says that Ghostbusters played out almost exactly like this with a [fake] neutral claim.
Okay, now that Bessie has claimed, I can spill rest of the beans:
I can activate the skill for free if the chat doesn't last longer than one phase. The normal restrictions (like one chat at time, excluding D3 extra chat) still apply to me.
I targeted no one D1 since I kinda forgot about this game and came back near the EoD. I considered targeting Tammy D1 for thinking that she might have some ability that might benefit from getting targeted by the skill.
I targeted Tammy N1 however for reasons stated above. I also claimed to Tammy N1 my role.
D2 I targeted GJ since he said something about wanting to hear my thoughts/me to be more active.
N2 was Tammy again since I didn't really have any other ideas who to target and I felt good about Tammy.
D3 I targeted both Wisp and Cantrip. I was really excited to play with Cantrip, so I hoped I might be able to motivate him to play more (and since I wanted never insight into his mind, considering how little he had been present). Wisp was more of a "lolwisp what are you doing" kind of deal.
N3 was Cantrip again, since I felt like I still had more questions to him. I realised halfway through night that I probably should've targeted Wisp instead and told him not to drain Anak but it was too late to change my target at that point anyway.
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Why didnt you use it night 1 or 2? And did u say why you targeted Tammy?
@bessie
I don’t know why WakeMeUp did not use it N1.
I didn’t use it N2 because I was reluctant to spend that much Vit until I understood the game a little better.
N3 I targeted Tammy because, as has been said many times, she is being strongly town read by many players.
if you want more details than "you're probably a wolf through poe and reads", that should become more clear in about 24 hours
I want you to explain your given reason for voting for me when you voted for me. I don’t want you to go back and look for different reasons now that you have been asked to justify your vote.
my personal issue with tubba's posts, and i can understand if you don't resonate with this as much
is that he takes anak/me as his top w-reads
anak isn't, i thin? (i tend to agree with vaimes here?) and i'm not
and then he says "bessie hasn't done much since the tammy stuff", and then puts her third in the poe with a bunch of question marks around her
when he provides ~real reasons to v-read most other people and we know we have four wolves alive
but like seems almost afraid to give more of a read there
so my position is that having two incorrect wolf reads (probably) at the top of the poe isn't damning, but artificially creating distance between those two names and the actually wolfy people in the poe (imo) rings a little worrying to me
especially when his suspicion of me is literally "hasn't been doing much to advance the gamestate"
side note this: "nor showed any urgency to charge it up so he could use it"
is ridiculous
because that was literally what i was trying to do all of d2 and at this point the game's close to over and i'd have to use the ability twice correctly after getting off a shot and survive until at least d7 to use it again
but there's no real consideration as to why, with four wolves left over, i'm a hard wolf and bessie's not at all, though we seem to be in the same subset of players according to his reads
Okay, now that Bessie has claimed, I can spill rest of the beans:
I can activate the skill for free if the chat doesn't last longer than one phase. The normal restrictions (like one chat at time, excluding D3 extra chat) still apply to me.
I targeted no one D1 since I kinda forgot about this game and came back near the EoD. I considered targeting Tammy D1 for thinking that she might have some ability that might benefit from getting targeted by the skill.
I targeted Tammy N1 however for reasons stated above. I also claimed to Tammy N1 my role.
D2 I targeted GJ since he said something about wanting to hear my thoughts/me to be more active.
N2 was Tammy again since I didn't really have any other ideas who to target and I felt good about Tammy.
D3 I targeted both Wisp and Cantrip. I was really excited to play with Cantrip, so I hoped I might be able to motivate him to play more (and since I wanted never insight into his mind, considering how little he had been present). Wisp was more of a "lolwisp what are you doing" kind of deal.
N3 was Cantrip again, since I felt like I still had more questions to him. I realised halfway through night that I probably should've targeted Wisp instead and told him not to drain Anak but it was too late to change my target at that point anyway.
Sorry, but why is this important for people trying to read you?
I want you to explain your given reason for voting for me when you voted for me. I don’t want you to go back and look for different reasons now that you have been asked to justify your vote.
there are two answers to this question
number one: you're probably a wolf through poe and reads
number two: there's more resistance to a sloth (and to a lesser degree a tubba) yeet
my posting tomorrow will probably not change any of the reasonings behind the first answer, it will just set them out in a clearer way from which we can have conversations about the validity of my thought processes and where it's actually laid out in more depth for all to see
the actual reasons are pretty clear i think from what i've said (at least insofar as "these are my reads and this is a natural conclusion from those"), but i don't expect anyone else to be on board without understanding why i think the things i think
@Boom
If you believe Anak is obvious scum why are u voting bur here? A witted wolf yeet is one of the better options here.
Also I want you to give a new read on Bessie, do you not think this falls in line with her not enjoying wolfing as much as towning?
. I'm still trying to squeeze out value from you and Anak is the only one we can confidently get a bonus yeet on by using your charm. Although, I guess he could have a crazy high starting Vit and tank a second hit from you but that seems wild. If that happens I'll feel really sorry for you, but it seems unlikely.
Bessie always has difficulty keeping up in even medium sized games, her low volume of posting is NAI. And the extra work on the weekend is ligit, we never lie about RL influence regardless of alignment in game. The staying attack on Tammy was a plus. The push on Azreal was internally consistent but a minus for bad results. Her tone is pretty good considering her on a meta level, as Scum she's generally a lot more... mud slingy. It's waffly but I'm still leaning town. Definitely stays in the PoE though.
I've you can clear or condemn Tubba based on meta that'd be amazing. Cause I disagree with almost every conclusion he draws but I think it's more of a play style clash I'm having with several people on this board.
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I'm just trying to learn man. Teach me.
TEACH ME YOUR WAYS, OH TYRANT KING OF MAFIA
Oh, also, full disclosure, I believe your role the least. Your role is a strictly worse role than Cuth is claiming, and has the most potential to have additional abilities on top of your "1 to 1". Although Bur is up there too.
How likely do you think it is that Bur has more abilities, Sloth? What's the powerlevel of Bur's passive neighcorizer?
Re: Awakening ability: Ok, so why has no one claimed it? We've massclaimed, and no one besides me has confessed to hiding anything about their ability.
Also Cuth did not skill me.
Highroller:OH i see where the confusion is. I wasn't saying "I currently think it's Lylo, I was saying "LyLo is when we should claim values".
@Vaimes: I'm not gonna clear Sloth because Tammy isn't dead. I don't feel like Tammy was a big threat to Sloth in the early game. Do you not think it's possible for Sloth to deep wolf this much?
To justify the later use of it I suppose.
My theory, if you're scum, you're likely either a Strongman or a Ninja. But saying "why would I do this as scum" Is WIFOM.
@bessie: did you target anyone N1/N2 and did you get any results?
If the team is a combination of Bur/Cuth/Anak, then highroller can suck my toe, I'm hoping it is for the clout, since that means everyone of my charms hit a wolf, but who knows
but when we're talking about me calling a lot of attention to myself and explicitly claiming an obviously provable mechanic
the leading theories for me being a wolf and doing this is to move suspicion off myself? by spending most of my time this game talking about this ability before intentionally not killing anyone or claiming a kill or anything?
because either i do have a kill and i chose not to use it or i have another strong PR and who knows what i was doing there (also i didn't do anything n1) or i didn't have a strong PR at all and i'm doing this because i want to draw attention to myself for ??? reasons instead of spending that time playing the game and trying to get villagers yeeted instead of wolves
i'm not defending the overall quality of my play and depth of my engagement, but this is something that makes far, far more sense if i have exactly the role i have
and people insisting that i'm saying the wolves have exactly one rb and that's damning is pretty silly for numerous reasons
I can't keep playing around people knowing that they are playing poorly, and then using wifom to defend their behavior, it just doesn't work like that, and you know that, you should know that
Give me a wolf poe of 4 people, it shouldn't be hard
and this is why i'm not comfortable with highroller specifically
either they get him yeeted right away through town paranoia or they try to force it through lategame for an easy misyeet
because it's absolutely a justifiable position to be like "hey this is a hostile we don't trust him to townside", and any yeet that's not on a wolf is good for them
yeeting wisp here is basically conceding that we don't really care about getting the wolves and that we somehow think this will be easier to do tomorrow when we have even fewer villagers alive
am i saying that villagers won't conclude that it's best to yeet wisp? no, but i think the way sloth has handled that, in conjunction with the way his poe and pushes have evolved over time, is specifically a bad look for him
also anyone who thinks wisp has a chance in hell of being a wolf at this point is reading a different game, and i'm prepared to eat my metaphorical hat on that point
this gamestate feels like one where we correctly built a decent (if small) village core at the top, albeit with mediocre communication and solving, but haven't actually resolved the poe very well, and there's a subset of said poe that's specifically trying to push the people not in that group/onto very specific names instead of the genuinely most wolfy people who don't have much going for them at all
and doing anything other than finding the villagers in the poe and dunking on the rest is doing a massive disservice to ourselves and the people who have died so far
yes yes i know
high confidence at least 2 in [bessie, sloth, tubba], with a side of [hr, bur, anak? (pending further review based on vaimes' opinions)] more or less in that order
i literally have no opinion on cantrip, and i think boom's claim d2 and behavior around eod there was a good look so he's a distinct v lean
the others are all ride or die
kj is probing, actually asking very good clarifying questions and then jotting it down in a little notebook and keeping on going
he's looking around the poe and trying to make sure he's keeping things straight and people have good stories and all
sloth is just straight up either pushing people through asking them questions (couching them in such a way that it's like an "explain yourself you wolf" instead of a "this doesn't make sense to me can you help me understand), or giving random space for people to propagate ideas, and there's a lot less genuine exploration and a lot less... movement? the narrative structure makes sense as a whole, ie his reads trend in a general direction big picture, but there aren't very many little picture moments that make me be like "ah yes this is what's happening under the surface"
and given that most of his time has been spent prosecuting villagers since d1, you can understand why this bothers me
Also I can't handle Tubba's posts, they are getting to me
it's analyzing patterns of behavior and mindsets when you think for yourself
that's why i phrased it the way i did lol
because it's an absolutely valid way to read people
all i'm saying is that for people to push the narrative that i'm a wolf for my behavior, they need to be able to construct a narrative whereby not even the most understandable, but an understandable motive for my behavior as a wolf exists
because while i understand that the overall level of analysis this game isn't that deep, and i haven't helped much in that regard, i'm not going to let people get away with saying things are wolfy without actually giving any good reasons (especially if, as in this case, i think it would be quite difficult to explain the way i've played if i'm not exactly my role as claimed particularly given that there are basically no worlds in which i'm the wolf version of my claimed role lol)
but what if he's a wolf who realized that pushing you was justifiable and just kept doing it, and who switched from "this might be a wolf or might be neutral" to "non-town player, yeet"
like i would have v-read that much more if he'd done it super strongly for two phases and then been like "okay, time's over, that's it"
but i think wolves are super hesitant to bring you to endgame when they're both afraid of you potentially targeting one of them at night and know that there's a reasonable case to be made for you being the kill here from a village pov
and d4 is absolutely the worst time to be pushing for your yeet in my book
but i'm strongly against v-reading him for that specifically at this point because it's gone from "no that's silly" to "that might actually just straight up lose us the game most of the time" and he's still doing it and not much else at all
Sloth in particular since we are talking about him, has had an extremely poor day 4, I expect some real cases on wolves, but he has defaulted to trashing on everyone posts, that's all it is. And I bet I can even find more instances of this if I back read him
he's been trashing on villagers' posts
not everyone's
key difference
i would actually like that so i have a concrete reason to dig myself back into the game and get gears turning
Man you really got me here questions everything, I can't believe I am about to reread the game again
Idk what to think of this slip.
Still waiting for Bessie.
in the meantime i'm down to answer anything off the cuff that doesn't require reading
if you want that and are okay with me making generalized statements predicated on my assumptions of who the wolves are lol
Tbh though, highroller still thinking I can be a wolf, does feel kinda forced
@Bur
I noticed him say Cantrip, but i just assumed he wrong the wrong name, I have no how that can be misconstrued as a slip, or if you seriously believe that
Can you explain your reason? Fourth request.
i was looking at the playerlist on the first page
cant died last night but wasn't crossed out there
lolme
great i don't like having people in the game i don't have opinions on
@bessie
Idk if slip is wrong word and brain fart is better, but I'm referring to Cuth thinking Cantrip was still alive.
if you want more details than "you're probably a wolf through poe and reads", that should become more clear in about 24 hours
What are your wolf leans?
do you think he did anything differently that could cause that change?
Why are you not voting Anak?
Also did you ever say why you targeted GJ
@Boom
I asked you the same question, if you think he is a wolf, relying on my ability is stupid, since that gaurentees more information going into the night
Tubba looks bad for other reasons, for mostly be a hypocrite, and being more reactive than pro active
I reread Azrael to see if there were any hints as to Anak's role. Nothing. Azrael just goes on about how clear Anak is and that's it.
His last will and testament was to murder HR/Bur/Cuth/Bessie. Cuth is at least doing a good job of arguing his case [so late into the game :V]. I really don't know what to do with Bur and HR. Both still seem town to me just based on behavior. Like yeah, HR tailing Wisp all game could be a smokescreen but he isn't wrong when he says that Ghostbusters played out almost exactly like this with a [fake] neutral claim.
I can activate the skill for free if the chat doesn't last longer than one phase. The normal restrictions (like one chat at time, excluding D3 extra chat) still apply to me.
I targeted no one D1 since I kinda forgot about this game and came back near the EoD. I considered targeting Tammy D1 for thinking that she might have some ability that might benefit from getting targeted by the skill.
I targeted Tammy N1 however for reasons stated above. I also claimed to Tammy N1 my role.
D2 I targeted GJ since he said something about wanting to hear my thoughts/me to be more active.
N2 was Tammy again since I didn't really have any other ideas who to target and I felt good about Tammy.
D3 I targeted both Wisp and Cantrip. I was really excited to play with Cantrip, so I hoped I might be able to motivate him to play more (and since I wanted never insight into his mind, considering how little he had been present). Wisp was more of a "lolwisp what are you doing" kind of deal.
N3 was Cantrip again, since I felt like I still had more questions to him. I realised halfway through night that I probably should've targeted Wisp instead and told him not to drain Anak but it was too late to change my target at that point anyway.
I don’t know why WakeMeUp did not use it N1.
I didn’t use it N2 because I was reluctant to spend that much Vit until I understood the game a little better.
N3 I targeted Tammy because, as has been said many times, she is being strongly town read by many players.
I want you to explain your given reason for voting for me when you voted for me. I don’t want you to go back and look for different reasons now that you have been asked to justify your vote.
I still haven't opened chat today. I probably should, but haven't still decided who to target with it.
is that he takes anak/me as his top w-reads
anak isn't, i thin? (i tend to agree with vaimes here?) and i'm not
and then he says "bessie hasn't done much since the tammy stuff", and then puts her third in the poe with a bunch of question marks around her
when he provides ~real reasons to v-read most other people and we know we have four wolves alive
but like seems almost afraid to give more of a read there
so my position is that having two incorrect wolf reads (probably) at the top of the poe isn't damning, but artificially creating distance between those two names and the actually wolfy people in the poe (imo) rings a little worrying to me
especially when his suspicion of me is literally "hasn't been doing much to advance the gamestate"
side note this: "nor showed any urgency to charge it up so he could use it"
is ridiculous
because that was literally what i was trying to do all of d2 and at this point the game's close to over and i'd have to use the ability twice correctly after getting off a shot and survive until at least d7 to use it again
but there's no real consideration as to why, with four wolves left over, i'm a hard wolf and bessie's not at all, though we seem to be in the same subset of players according to his reads
you see what i mean?
there are two answers to this question
number one: you're probably a wolf through poe and reads
number two: there's more resistance to a sloth (and to a lesser degree a tubba) yeet
my posting tomorrow will probably not change any of the reasonings behind the first answer, it will just set them out in a clearer way from which we can have conversations about the validity of my thought processes and where it's actually laid out in more depth for all to see
the actual reasons are pretty clear i think from what i've said (at least insofar as "these are my reads and this is a natural conclusion from those"), but i don't expect anyone else to be on board without understanding why i think the things i think
Bessie always has difficulty keeping up in even medium sized games, her low volume of posting is NAI. And the extra work on the weekend is ligit, we never lie about RL influence regardless of alignment in game. The staying attack on Tammy was a plus. The push on Azreal was internally consistent but a minus for bad results. Her tone is pretty good considering her on a meta level, as Scum she's generally a lot more... mud slingy. It's waffly but I'm still leaning town. Definitely stays in the PoE though.
I've you can clear or condemn Tubba based on meta that'd be amazing. Cause I disagree with almost every conclusion he draws but I think it's more of a play style clash I'm having with several people on this board.