if i have a wolf vig why do i hint at it from d2 and then never use it
if i have a different powerful wolf role why do i play this way all game and then soft a pr d2 as a member of the poe and then fully claim vig d3 as someone near the bottom of the poe and then not even try to claim the wolf kill or anything
if i don't have a major role why do i hint at a powerful and obvious one from d2 and then still pretend i do
Dude, stop acting as if your crumbs were obvious. You've shown us your crumbs, all you say is you will do something cool or exciting or something to that effect once you have more Vit. That could literally mean anything.
You could claim judge or doctor or anything today, and it would fit with your crumbs, in no way is vig a given.
Your role is plausible, the fact that you keep pointing out you crumbed it is weak bs.
This kind of makes it seem like you didn't even bother to check and just jumped on the easy yeet opportunity: KJ even quoted both posts and his error was CLEARLY discernable.
ya ur right my obvious 3p ass is trying to randomly kill people disingenuously, or are u finna suggest I am a wolf? Your right, I didn't read it, I got excited because if Bessie was a confirmed wolf, I could win, so excuse me for rushing.
Stop making bad posts
Stop being pissy. It's annoying. I have no patience for it and I'm trying to engage.
I'm trying to say that if not scum, you've essentially given up.
If you haven't given up, you're just filling the thread with your negativity and believe it or not, that's not fun.
This kind of makes it seem like you didn't even bother to check and just jumped on the easy yeet opportunity: KJ even quoted both posts and his error was CLEARLY discernable.
ya ur right my obvious 3p ass is trying to randomly kill people disingenuously, or are u finna suggest I am a wolf? Your right, I didn't read it, I got excited because if Bessie was a confirmed wolf, I could win, so excuse me for rushing.
Stop making bad posts
Stop being pissy. It's annoying. I have no patience for it and I'm trying to engage.
I'm trying to say that if not scum, you've essentially given up.
If you haven't given up, you're just filling the thread with your negativity and believe it or not, that's not fun.
nah I'm solving the game, I'm trying to lower the PoE whole you attack the posts of the obvious 3p, I retracted my mistake like 3 posts later if you were paying attention
Also don't tell me how I should feel, this whole game has been piss poor
@slothful
It doesn't matter, I've try to analyze night actions which is bad, another world I can assume is that wolves have been perma roleblocking Cuth because of his breadcrumb, which of course we wouldn't realize until he actually made his shot
I'm assuming that he is real, and that makes Highroller also real
I am re-building my PoE with that in mind
Again, half of the roles alive right now would benefit from HR as well. I don't know why you're linking only them?
Though if you mean that this proves the existence of a RB - yeah, probably? I mean we already did have a Jailkeeper, but there's no reason why scum wouldn't have their own either specially if no claim has been made.
god is Anak mafia? Because like what the ****, this PoE makes no sense to me.
Clearing Tammy and KJ based on behavior. If anyone other than KJ claimed a double vote that had never actually been used, I'd probably steamroll them. Like his claim is actually making my skin crawl, but goddamn it if he isn't one of my strongest townreads.
Clearing Sloth because Tammy is alive, hasn't been blocked, and hasn't been announcing her targets to Sloth.
I guessssss maybe remove Cuth/Boom? Cuth is wine incarnate but I can't bring myself to keep squeezing him for anything, any hint of gamesolving. Boom's had ok posts toDay.
I don't like this, because I can't clear both Bur and Highroller unless there's another neutral out there, or the scumteam is small to compensate for town having WEAK ABILITIES.
I wish I could completely wipe away my memories of this game and start over fresh.
Sloth why are you getting into a slapfight with Wisp and then trying to take the moral high ground. Like honest to god, find me a redflip or I'll breathe fire on you or something.
if i have a wolf vig why do i hint at it from d2 and then never use it
if i have a different powerful wolf role why do i play this way all game and then soft a pr d2 as a member of the poe and then fully claim vig d3 as someone near the bottom of the poe and then not even try to claim the wolf kill or anything
if i don't have a major role why do i hint at a powerful and obvious one from d2 and then still pretend i do
Dude, stop acting as if your crumbs were obvious. You've shown us your crumbs, all you say is you will do something cool or exciting or something to that effect once you have more Vit. That could literally mean anything.
You could claim judge or doctor or anything today, and it would fit with your crumbs, in no way is vig a given.
Your role is plausible, the fact that you keep pointing out you crumbed it is weak bs.
he did crumb he had a strong role? So uhhm ok? Pick a target and focus on them, you have just been ripping on everyone this phase so 4, and if not for that maybe I could align with your thoughts, even tho most people refuse to align with mine. It's like you are trying to make sure options are stay open, rather than solving the game
@vaimes can you confirm if Im correct in how im assessing your role?
@ALL did everyone answer whether or not Cuth skilled you?
The reason for this is that Wisp got in my head with cuth vit math: If Cuth skilled you, he has more vit than he claimed and that's not a good look.
Sloth why are you getting into a slapfight with Wisp and then trying to take the moral high ground. Like honest to god, find me a redflip or I'll breathe fire on you or something.
he did crumb he had a strong role? So uhhm ok? Pick a target and focus on them, you have just been ripping on everyone this phase so 4, and if not for that maybe I could align with your thoughts, even tho most people refuse to align with mine. It's like you are trying to make sure options are stay open, rather than solving the game
Sigh. Ok, let me stop. Sorry.
This game has gotten annoying and reading the day hasnt helped though I shouldnt have lashed out at Wisp.
I'm also very short on time as mentioned (gotta go right about now actually).
I'll step back and start from scratch when I return.
Right now, I kind of feel that if the yeet is not Wisp, then somewhere in {cuth/bessie/anak} seems like a good place to focus on?
I will dive into those three when I'm back.
if i have a wolf vig why do i hint at it from d2 and then never use it
if i have a different powerful wolf role why do i play this way all game and then soft a pr d2 as a member of the poe and then fully claim vig d3 as someone near the bottom of the poe and then not even try to claim the wolf kill or anything
if i don't have a major role why do i hint at a powerful and obvious one from d2 and then still pretend i do
You tried to use it though, right? Also it's expensive.
i did, but that's my point lol
are there any town roles claiming that they blocked me because they were suspicious? no
There's also no proof you did it, nor that you were prevented from doing it.
Either you're telling the truth or you're lying, which doesn't help us solve you.
you're on a different track than i was when i wrote what you initially replied to
i'm trying to get you to come up with a reasonable world where i claim what i do here when i do as a wolf
if i have a wolf vig why do i hint at it from d2 and then never use it
if i have a different powerful wolf role why do i play this way all game and then soft a pr d2 as a member of the poe and then fully claim vig d3 as someone near the bottom of the poe and then not even try to claim the wolf kill or anything
if i don't have a major role why do i hint at a powerful and obvious one from d2 and then still pretend i do
Dude, stop acting as if your crumbs were obvious. You've shown us your crumbs, all you say is you will do something cool or exciting or something to that effect once you have more Vit. That could literally mean anything.
You could claim judge or doctor or anything today, and it would fit with your crumbs, in no way is vig a given.
Your role is plausible, the fact that you keep pointing out you crumbed it is weak bs.
i literally claimed my entire role except for the fact that it was a vig shot by d3, and i claimed that to vaimes
stop acting like it was so soft you could barely tell i claimed anything at all
you're the only person who's been down my throat asking me to explain things i've said about my role multiple times previously every phase
arguing I aint doing anything though, that really pisses me off
To be fair, the argument isn’t that you’re not doing anything, but that you’re not doing it with the care and thought you were before. You seem to be making snap assumptions that don’t consider all the info. I get it that you don’t want to die or lose your chance to win. Your stance on Az/Anak and HR/Cuth are starting points for a discussion but you’re taking them as a foregone conclusion and snapping at people that bring it up to talk about it.
@Tubba
not really, I would have reacted the same way, regardless of the urgency of the situation, not reading isn't really indicative of anything for me.
I stand by my stance of HR/Cuth, I am pushing more so towards the t/t side though, mechanically it makes sense, my original problem was focusing on the fact that we have not seen a roleblocker, but it's easily possible that they just had it locked on Cuth the whole time. I am mostly getting frustrated because I can barely get any real-time with anyone anymore.
and yes sometimes I am super serious about my reads because I watch them get dunked on, and then they happen to be right a lot, ask me about GJ read in the micro that just ended, and my read of ZDS, which got completely walked over.
We really need to move away from talking about Wisp. It is mechanically never worth yeeting Wisp.
1) We yeet Wisp and scum eliminate a townie of their choice.
2) We yeet a Wit and Wisp goes away, and it's frankly hard for us to not yeet a Wit.
3) We yeet a non-Wit and Anak is eliminated
3a) If Anak is town that's the same cost as if we yeet Wisp,
3b) If Anak is scum then that's awesome.
None of those three scenarios (2, 3a, 3b) is worse then yeeting Wisp.
We have two choices:
Decide Anak is scum and we yeet a non-Wit and let Wisp kill Anak.
Decide Anak is town so we yeet a Wit so wisp leaves the game and Anak survives.
I'm confident Anak is scum, his claim makes no sense to be made after Azreal died.
That leaves Bessie, Bur, Vaimes and me as valid yeets. Or if we think all the non-wits are town then we just yeet Anak directly.
I think it's safe to assume scum figured out Tammy's role. That means her being alive is either they knew Cantrip was a dangerous role or they were afraid of getting caught by the watcher. I'm inclined to believe the latter.
I think it's interesting to see who has supported Anak's claim and who is challenging it. I excused Bur's lack of main thread discussion D3 because he had a bunch of private chats going, but he has noticably continued to basically sit back toDay as well. I don't see a world where Bur doesn't fit into the scum team. Also, mafia-neighborizer is a fairly common role.
@Bur why didn't you just claim your role directly D1? Why play games and try to entice people to Skill you?
I think there's more to Bur's role then he claimed. Like maybe he gets to know the roles of those who skill him. This whole game is based on the Skill. There must be more going on with it.
BoomFrog: That plan is so terrible I'm going to refer to it as "Operation Town Loss."
We may well be at LyLo today and should proceed as though we are. That means we need to lynch a hostile today or we lose. Wisp is 100% confirmed to be hostile. Killing him is obviously the correct choice.
Some might point out that LastWhisper might be neutral instead of mafia. Were this true, then the need to kill LastWhisper is actually greater than killing a mafia, due to the fact that if LastWhisper is telling the truth about how his role works, his continued existence doubles the number of potential nightkills, and if he kills a town, this will also result in a town loss.
Killing LastWhisper is, in all scenarios, the safest possible option.
we are literally stalling anyways, cause we all know where this gunna go
so maybe I do want to end the day rather than see people talk about how I need to die, instead of actively trying to find a wolf, so I can win
The point is that you don’t need to find a wolf to win. You just need the yeet to be anyone besides you.
Wisp’s lack of thought (rereading the claims, or thinking about the odds of duplicate roles) and his vote makes me feel that he has moved from trying to figure out the game to just trying to get through the day.
I would like to see you put a vote on a mafia read. Pushing Wisp toDay just waives responsibility from scumhunting.
I currently suspect Anak and Cuthalion. I read the articles Azrael posted, I do not believe he is an idiot. I think he would have claimed the information he had on Anak’s role, if Anak is being truthful about his role.
@Vaimes
yes, it's highly likely, doesn't mean it doesn't irk me, because again, it's super unlikely we ever kill that anyways
anyways, I am going to build a team assuming Bessie is just a wolf here, after I get out of work
nah PoE points to, I think you are almost always guaranteed to be a wolf here
I can't really omgus, you know? since I am 3p
We do need to find a wolf here, or we kill me
but a small grouping have all but stopped trying to find wolves today
Tubba Fett
Anaklusmos
Bur
Slothful
Bessie
this PoE has all wolves, I am sure of it
I wish I could remove Sloth, I really want to remove Sloth, but his day 4 has been pretty awful
I need him to give me some real reads and not what he is doing now
icing on the cake would be y'all still losing even if you yeet me
there is 0 reason why this game is ongoing if we are guaranteed to lose from yeeting a wolf today, literally 0
so stop being lazy
if Sloth is town here he needs to holster, its simple
Tubba Fett
Anaklusmos
Bur
Bessie
gun to my head, the above is just it
and I can even point to my own evidence if need be to prove why the above is literally the best PoE for all the wolves
I am removing my, "Bur is town because his ability is provable read", because I think other people are just objectively better, and I refuse to lose to mod-gaming
if boom is a wolf, I don't really care anymore, but I might be super wrong there given his role is actually garbage
I do think his posts today have been the best I have seen from him
Tubba Fett
Anaklusmos
Bur
Bessie
Boom
maybe I'll just keep him in, and hope y'all do your due diligence if I am not alive going into day 5
What do you mean exact duplicates? You didn’t even read Killjoy’s post. You just saw an opportunity and jumped on it.
nah I thought I found a wolf, I didn't care to check the validity of Killjoy's statement since you were in the PoE anyways, and I didn't expect him to misread it
...dude your role sucks, especially compared to everything else.
Right, I'm off, and I promise to actually try to hunt next time I post instead of just exploding at everything that moves.
Question for when I return (Aside from what I've already asked): Who's NOT witted?
Wisp
Bessie
Boom
Cuth...?
Bur, I think?
Speaking of witted: I have severe doubts tubba is scum, so talk to me on why you think he is - there's a chance I've got conf bias here.
Come back with an actual PoE and we'll talk about Tubba.
My only read there is "has made no serious effort to lift self out of PoE, despite knowing he perpetually resides there otherwise."
I’d like to calmly and cordially, with the utmost respect and friendliness, invite you to kiss the darkest part of my ass. I’ve made several posts today regarding Anak/Az, have questioned Wisp about their interpretations of Anak/Az and HR/Cuth, and have questioned Cuth regarding his role and his play decisions up to this point. With only Wisp deigning to respond to me, and people seemingly content to just kill whomever, I’m not exactly sure what you’re looking for me to do to “make a serious effort to pull myself out of the POE.” My problems with Cuth, whole is role makes sense to exist in this game, he has done nothing with it, nor showed any urgency to charge it up so he could use it. Coupled with his evasion of my inquiries along those lines and his continued refusal to move the game ANYWHERE, makes it hard to see the Towniness.
Anak doesn’t look good to me, I can’t think of a good reason Az wouldn’t have outed Anak if Anak’s role is what he claimed it to be. Especially considering he made a point to note that Anak would start taking heat once he flipped. My guess is that Anak claimed Vig/Doc/something powerful that was best kept secret.
Wisp is getting increasingly frustrated and I imagine seeing they were still in the game after thinking they would be out with a win is heavily contributing to that. That’s why I’ve tried to engage without being confrontational, to get them thinking about the possibilities of what’s going on. If you assume HR is truthful, that’s fine but it should have no bearing on whether or not you think Cuth is. The roles as claimed and revealed via flip show HR’s ability protecting redirects etc, from townfirmed flip Rhand, so that’s another factor to consider. Also, you can’t simply assume Az is dumb or trolling and clear Anak. There’s more beneath the surface there.
My PoE is Cuth/Anak/???/???, I don’t think Sloth or Vaimes is ***, I feel I would’ve been yeeted D2 otherwise. I’m not sure how to interpret Bur’s role, it naturally feels townie? Tammy still feels obvTown and the uncountered Doc claim is pretty substantial, HR has been too bombastic in their approach to things they don’t like or agree with, where I think scum would be more conciliatory? But their role seems to counter a townfirmed Jailkeeper? Obviously there could be fake scum claims, but I don’t recall anyone claiming to be role blocked? Mechanics aside, I think HR is town. Bessie is a possible fit as scum, they just feel like they’ve been on the fringes of the game after making a big splash coming in hard at Tammy. Boom has been much better than Chad, judging them for their posts, I see someone thinking about solving this game. I think some of the plans they’ve brought forward are silly, but I can see where their thoughts come from at least, even if I don’t agree with them. KJ is starting to show up and I’ve liked that they’re pushing down their own paths. That’s indicative of KJasColumbo that equals Town. So I guess, Cuth/Anak/?Bessie?/?HR?Bur?
Thanks Tubba, and I do believe your playstyle is kinda the problem, like these emotional, for a better lack of words, bursts don't fully convey your thoughts that well.
Also Vaimes has a point despite your own self-bias.
I'm not trying to attack you either, I am literally the easiest person to talk to in this game probably. If you aren't a wolf, I would like to remove you from the PoE today.
Thanks Tubba, and I do believe your playstyle is kinda the problem, like these emotional, for a better lack of words, bursts don't fully convey your thoughts that well.
Also Vaimes has a point despite your own self-bias.
Oh, I absolutely know he does, I just don’t know what to do about it. I’m not prolific at the best of times, I prefer to sit and think about a problem by myself quietly. It doesn’t translate well to forum Mafia. I’d like to try a live game sometime to see if my shyness for lack of a better term has a chance to dissolve.
Do you think I have any valid points or am I just blowing smoke?
I do, I mean if you aren't a wolf, I'm pretty sure I would move the poe around a little
Cuth/Bessie/Anak/Bur
With boom around and not a wolf with bessie
Like Cuth is always a wolf before people should even think of evaluating highroller, despite his mediocre play here
I think our poe is relatively close but like there aren't many roads to go anymore, so it's hard to say if I should put any weight on that
I can't even hate you for getting frustrated because look at me lol.
I'm frustrated because despite me town siding so hard, this game has just not been going this way, and if I did not claim I would easily already have won.
Like I think the PoE is tight enough to not have to lunch me despite Highroller's thoughts. Like if we believe sloth is town, there is nothing to worry about.
I do, I mean if you aren't a wolf, I'm pretty sure I would move the poe around a little
Cuth/Bessie/Anak/Bur
With boom around and not a wolf with bessie
Like Cuth is always a wolf before people should even think of evaluating highroller, despite his mediocre play here
I think our poe is relatively close but like there aren't many roads to go anymore, so it's hard to say if I should put any weight on that
I can't even hate you for getting frustrated because look at me lol.
I'm frustrated because despite me town siding so hard, this game has just not been going this way, and if I did not claim I would easily already have won.
Yeah, I seem to recall some super intelligent guy mentioning that earlier in the thread...
I’m more frustrated than I have any right to be, I don’t seem to be growing. I feel like I’m thinking better, I’m just communicating *****tier. I’d like to firmly state that I’m not angry or have any ill will towards anyone playing, and only jokingly would like Vaimes to kiss my buttock.
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You could claim judge or doctor or anything today, and it would fit with your crumbs, in no way is vig a given.
Your role is plausible, the fact that you keep pointing out you crumbed it is weak bs.
All I asked her about were my targets.
I'm trying to say that if not scum, you've essentially given up.
If you haven't given up, you're just filling the thread with your negativity and believe it or not, that's not fun.
Also don't tell me how I should feel, this whole game has been piss poor
Though if you mean that this proves the existence of a RB - yeah, probably? I mean we already did have a Jailkeeper, but there's no reason why scum wouldn't have their own either specially if no claim has been made.
Clearing Tammy and KJ based on behavior. If anyone other than KJ claimed a double vote that had never actually been used, I'd probably steamroll them. Like his claim is actually making my skin crawl, but goddamn it if he isn't one of my strongest townreads.
Clearing Sloth because Tammy is alive, hasn't been blocked, and hasn't been announcing her targets to Sloth.
I guessssss maybe remove Cuth/Boom? Cuth is wine incarnate but I can't bring myself to keep squeezing him for anything, any hint of gamesolving. Boom's had ok posts toDay.
Highroller
Bur
Iso/Anaklusmos
Tubba Fett
WMU/Bessie
I don't like this, because I can't clear both Bur and Highroller unless there's another neutral out there, or the scumteam is small to compensate for town having WEAK ABILITIES.
I wish I could completely wipe away my memories of this game and start over fresh.
@ALL did everyone answer whether or not Cuth skilled you?
The reason for this is that Wisp got in my head with cuth vit math: If Cuth skilled you, he has more vit than he claimed and that's not a good look.
@GRAPE VC please?
This game has gotten annoying and reading the day hasnt helped though I shouldnt have lashed out at Wisp.
I'm also very short on time as mentioned (gotta go right about now actually).
I'll step back and start from scratch when I return.
Right now, I kind of feel that if the yeet is not Wisp, then somewhere in {cuth/bessie/anak} seems like a good place to focus on?
I will dive into those three when I'm back.
Right, I'm off, and I promise to actually try to hunt next time I post instead of just exploding at everything that moves.
Question for when I return (Aside from what I've already asked): Who's NOT witted?
Wisp
Bessie
Boom
Cuth...?
Bur, I think?
Speaking of witted: I have severe doubts tubba is scum, so talk to me on why you think he is - there's a chance I've got conf bias here.
Yes this game is getting frustrating, you should tell of those reasons in regards to Tubba
My only read there is "has made no serious effort to lift self out of PoE, despite knowing he perpetually resides there otherwise."
Can you explain the whole Tammy and Sloth thing? And how it makes sloth look good? Like a literal play by play of everything if you can please
Tammy claimed her role to Sloth earlier and Tammy being alive points to Sloth not being mafia or Tammy would be dead.
@Vaimes: FYI, Tammy claimed her role and targets to me too ;p
@Bessie: Does your ability see Skill targetings too?
Uhh how long have you guys known? And she claimed her targets?
Tammy claimed to me D3 and with targets and reasonings.
I did claim to bur, and I claimed night one an two targets with my reasons. I did not say who I was protecting last night.
you're on a different track than i was when i wrote what you initially replied to
i'm trying to get you to come up with a reasonable world where i claim what i do here when i do as a wolf
i literally claimed my entire role except for the fact that it was a vig shot by d3, and i claimed that to vaimes
stop acting like it was so soft you could barely tell i claimed anything at all
you're the only person who's been down my throat asking me to explain things i've said about my role multiple times previously every phase
To be fair, the argument isn’t that you’re not doing anything, but that you’re not doing it with the care and thought you were before. You seem to be making snap assumptions that don’t consider all the info. I get it that you don’t want to die or lose your chance to win. Your stance on Az/Anak and HR/Cuth are starting points for a discussion but you’re taking them as a foregone conclusion and snapping at people that bring it up to talk about it.
not really, I would have reacted the same way, regardless of the urgency of the situation, not reading isn't really indicative of anything for me.
I stand by my stance of HR/Cuth, I am pushing more so towards the t/t side though, mechanically it makes sense, my original problem was focusing on the fact that we have not seen a roleblocker, but it's easily possible that they just had it locked on Cuth the whole time. I am mostly getting frustrated because I can barely get any real-time with anyone anymore.
and yes sometimes I am super serious about my reads because I watch them get dunked on, and then they happen to be right a lot, ask me about GJ read in the micro that just ended, and my read of ZDS, which got completely walked over.
I am raiding tonight, so I will be back later
@Sloth
my apologies for my reactions before, and to everyone else, mafia is stressful
1) We yeet Wisp and scum eliminate a townie of their choice.
2) We yeet a Wit and Wisp goes away, and it's frankly hard for us to not yeet a Wit.
3) We yeet a non-Wit and Anak is eliminated
3a) If Anak is town that's the same cost as if we yeet Wisp,
3b) If Anak is scum then that's awesome.
None of those three scenarios (2, 3a, 3b) is worse then yeeting Wisp.
We have two choices:
Decide Anak is scum and we yeet a non-Wit and let Wisp kill Anak.
Decide Anak is town so we yeet a Wit so wisp leaves the game and Anak survives.
I'm confident Anak is scum, his claim makes no sense to be made after Azreal died.
That leaves Bessie, Bur, Vaimes and me as valid yeets. Or if we think all the non-wits are town then we just yeet Anak directly.
I think it's safe to assume scum figured out Tammy's role. That means her being alive is either they knew Cantrip was a dangerous role or they were afraid of getting caught by the watcher. I'm inclined to believe the latter.
I think it's interesting to see who has supported Anak's claim and who is challenging it. I excused Bur's lack of main thread discussion D3 because he had a bunch of private chats going, but he has noticably continued to basically sit back toDay as well. I don't see a world where Bur doesn't fit into the scum team. Also, mafia-neighborizer is a fairly common role.
@Bur why didn't you just claim your role directly D1? Why play games and try to entice people to Skill you?
I think there's more to Bur's role then he claimed. Like maybe he gets to know the roles of those who skill him. This whole game is based on the Skill. There must be more going on with it.
Vote Bur
We may well be at LyLo today and should proceed as though we are. That means we need to lynch a hostile today or we lose. Wisp is 100% confirmed to be hostile. Killing him is obviously the correct choice.
Some might point out that LastWhisper might be neutral instead of mafia. Were this true, then the need to kill LastWhisper is actually greater than killing a mafia, due to the fact that if LastWhisper is telling the truth about how his role works, his continued existence doubles the number of potential nightkills, and if he kills a town, this will also result in a town loss.
Killing LastWhisper is, in all scenarios, the safest possible option.
You said you were withholding details about your role until LyLo AFTER saying you think it's LyLo. How aren't those two mutually exclusive?
What do you mean exact duplicates? You didn’t even read Killjoy’s post. You just saw an opportunity and jumped on it.
The point is that you don’t need to find a wolf to win. You just need the yeet to be anyone besides you.
I currently suspect Anak and Cuthalion. I read the articles Azrael posted, I do not believe he is an idiot. I think he would have claimed the information he had on Anak’s role, if Anak is being truthful about his role.
Ok. Am I scummy or is this just OMGUS?
Cuth did not skill me.
I don’t know, I will ask the mod.
Sorry so brief, I did not have an opportunity for a reread yet, I ended up working all day (unplanned).
I can't really omgus, you know? since I am 3p
We do need to find a wolf here, or we kill me
but a small grouping have all but stopped trying to find wolves today
Tubba Fett
Anaklusmos
Bur
Slothful
Bessie
this PoE has all wolves, I am sure of it
I wish I could remove Sloth, I really want to remove Sloth, but his day 4 has been pretty awful
I need him to give me some real reads and not what he is doing now
icing on the cake would be y'all still losing even if you yeet me
there is 0 reason why this game is ongoing if we are guaranteed to lose from yeeting a wolf today, literally 0
so stop being lazy
if Sloth is town here he needs to holster, its simple
Tubba Fett
Anaklusmos
Bur
Bessie
gun to my head, the above is just it
and I can even point to my own evidence if need be to prove why the above is literally the best PoE for all the wolves
I am removing my, "Bur is town because his ability is provable read", because I think other people are just objectively better, and I refuse to lose to mod-gaming
I do think his posts today have been the best I have seen from him
Tubba Fett
Anaklusmos
Bur
Bessie
Boom
maybe I'll just keep him in, and hope y'all do your due diligence if I am not alive going into day 5
If you believe Anak is obvious scum why are u voting bur here? A witted wolf yeet is one of the better options here.
Also I want you to give a new read on Bessie, do you not think this falls in line with her not enjoying wolfing as much as towning?
I’d like to calmly and cordially, with the utmost respect and friendliness, invite you to kiss the darkest part of my ass. I’ve made several posts today regarding Anak/Az, have questioned Wisp about their interpretations of Anak/Az and HR/Cuth, and have questioned Cuth regarding his role and his play decisions up to this point. With only Wisp deigning to respond to me, and people seemingly content to just kill whomever, I’m not exactly sure what you’re looking for me to do to “make a serious effort to pull myself out of the POE.” My problems with Cuth, whole is role makes sense to exist in this game, he has done nothing with it, nor showed any urgency to charge it up so he could use it. Coupled with his evasion of my inquiries along those lines and his continued refusal to move the game ANYWHERE, makes it hard to see the Towniness.
Anak doesn’t look good to me, I can’t think of a good reason Az wouldn’t have outed Anak if Anak’s role is what he claimed it to be. Especially considering he made a point to note that Anak would start taking heat once he flipped. My guess is that Anak claimed Vig/Doc/something powerful that was best kept secret.
Wisp is getting increasingly frustrated and I imagine seeing they were still in the game after thinking they would be out with a win is heavily contributing to that. That’s why I’ve tried to engage without being confrontational, to get them thinking about the possibilities of what’s going on. If you assume HR is truthful, that’s fine but it should have no bearing on whether or not you think Cuth is. The roles as claimed and revealed via flip show HR’s ability protecting redirects etc, from townfirmed flip Rhand, so that’s another factor to consider. Also, you can’t simply assume Az is dumb or trolling and clear Anak. There’s more beneath the surface there.
My PoE is Cuth/Anak/???/???, I don’t think Sloth or Vaimes is ***, I feel I would’ve been yeeted D2 otherwise. I’m not sure how to interpret Bur’s role, it naturally feels townie? Tammy still feels obvTown and the uncountered Doc claim is pretty substantial, HR has been too bombastic in their approach to things they don’t like or agree with, where I think scum would be more conciliatory? But their role seems to counter a townfirmed Jailkeeper? Obviously there could be fake scum claims, but I don’t recall anyone claiming to be role blocked? Mechanics aside, I think HR is town. Bessie is a possible fit as scum, they just feel like they’ve been on the fringes of the game after making a big splash coming in hard at Tammy. Boom has been much better than Chad, judging them for their posts, I see someone thinking about solving this game. I think some of the plans they’ve brought forward are silly, but I can see where their thoughts come from at least, even if I don’t agree with them. KJ is starting to show up and I’ve liked that they’re pushing down their own paths. That’s indicative of KJasColumbo that equals Town. So I guess, Cuth/Anak/?Bessie?/?HR?Bur?
Also Vaimes has a point despite your own self-bias.
Oh, I absolutely know he does, I just don’t know what to do about it. I’m not prolific at the best of times, I prefer to sit and think about a problem by myself quietly. It doesn’t translate well to forum Mafia. I’d like to try a live game sometime to see if my shyness for lack of a better term has a chance to dissolve.
Do you think I have any valid points or am I just blowing smoke?
Cuth/Bessie/Anak/Bur
With boom around and not a wolf with bessie
Like Cuth is always a wolf before people should even think of evaluating highroller, despite his mediocre play here
I think our poe is relatively close but like there aren't many roads to go anymore, so it's hard to say if I should put any weight on that
I can't even hate you for getting frustrated because look at me lol.
I'm frustrated because despite me town siding so hard, this game has just not been going this way, and if I did not claim I would easily already have won.
Yeah, I seem to recall some super intelligent guy mentioning that earlier in the thread...
I’m more frustrated than I have any right to be, I don’t seem to be growing. I feel like I’m thinking better, I’m just communicating *****tier. I’d like to firmly state that I’m not angry or have any ill will towards anyone playing, and only jokingly would like Vaimes to kiss my buttock.