At least 8? I wanna say my first game (Amnesia) was in 2012 but I can't specifically remember.
It's been a while.
I've never seen two of the same role on the same side before. It's certainly possible but if it happened that choice was made knowing full well both of you would be suspicious when claiming.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
why the **** should i bother helping town anyways, I am clearly dying today
double trackers would never believe it, I read those two quotes real quick, didnt even notice
@Highroller
what exactly is there not to get? your role if real pretty much means there exists a role that can disrupt abilities, which aligns with Cuth's claim
but it still has never seen the light of day till today
wolves most likely have some kind of investigative role, I do not believe its killjoy, Bessie's fits the bill
they are in the PoE either way
It doesn’t reeeally matter, I kinda thought it was a scum watcher claim anyways.
Might be, but it's not LITERALLY Cantrip's claim so I'm gonna not just roast her on THAT specifically.
I'm not a huge fan of the reactionary vote on Wisp though.
Wisp’s lack of thought (rereading the claims, or thinking about the odds of duplicate roles) and his vote makes me feel that he has moved from trying to figure out the game to just trying to get through the day.
we are literally stalling anyways, cause we all know where this gunna go
so maybe I do want to end the day rather than see people talk about how I need to die, instead of actively trying to find a wolf, so I can win
Wisp’s lack of thought (rereading the claims, or thinking about the odds of duplicate roles) and his vote makes me feel that he has moved from trying to figure out the game to just trying to get through the day.
I would like to see you put a vote on a mafia read. Pushing Wisp toDay just waives responsibility from scumhunting.
Wisp, if bessie is still likely mafia then why bother unvoting? Is there some other direction you’d like to push?
I don't know, my wim is slowly dying, mechanically regardless of my mistake, I think an investigative role has to lie in mafia
anyone I vote just leads to another vote on me, it's literally the easiest direction to move now
because we lose if we hit town here, and Sloth is also a wolf
If it weren’t almost/basically lylo I’d try to force a watcher > doctor > vig plan.
this might as well be lylo/mylo, cause it will be tomorrow, if we yeet me, so we should start thinking about what directions we are going
if wolves could win based off the claims, I would already have been hammered by now, that's something I guess
I do not think the direction of the kills will follow mechanical claims, its still more likely to be you or tammy
because neither affects the PoE, just like how Cantrip's kill went
Curious why nobody has talked about why I believe Cuth/Highroller have to be linked mechanically
Highroller was the only one who brought it up
@Vaimes
yes, it's highly likely, doesn't mean it doesn't irk me, because again, it's super unlikely we ever kill that anyways
anyways, I am going to build a team assuming Bessie is just a wolf here, after I get out of work
literally got full claims from everyone, and majority are like, "yup doesn't help at all"
instead of trying to analyze them
Of all the claims so far, Cuth’s is easily the wolfiest.
That’s all I’ve got until I can look at them all side-by-side.
oi look here
i know this is kind of what i get for crumbing it so obviously in thread but also if it wasn't for randomly being targeted by wisp at the start of the game this wouldn't have come up in the first place
but tell me why i play this the way i've played this mechanically as a wolf ever
also you silly beans of course the claims aren't locking the game we've been doing them one at a time and there's a good chance the wolves had a pretty good idea of what our roles were/what would be safe to claim already given the rate at which people have been outing
The linkage is only there because I find it unbelievable that a roleblocker has his for 2 prior night phases, but I guess that world could exist because of vit costs, and given my existence.
U would always evaluate Cuth first anyways, and figure out Highroller afterwards.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
literally got full claims from everyone, and majority are like, "yup doesn't help at all"
instead of trying to analyze them
Of all the claims so far, Cuth’s is easily the wolfiest.
That’s all I’ve got until I can look at them all side-by-side.
oi look here
i know this is kind of what i get for crumbing it so obviously in thread but also if it wasn't for randomly being targeted by wisp at the start of the game this wouldn't have come up in the first place
but tell me why i play this the way i've played this mechanically as a wolf ever
/shrug
That is just wine, but I will say that you not even having one decent push all game doesn't at all line up with how you played the DLP game
Maybe GJ isn't a wolf, and it's just highroller, since that post howlssss. Keeping my vote, I didn't shade anyone also
I take 1 vit from people I don't need to target and 3 from people I do, it still requires in worlds of 7 starting vit, 3 days phases to kill someone by myself. Actually 3 day phases to set up and a night phase to off them
Do you target people during the Day and during the Night and take 1/3 vitality each time?
I can only give a charm once a day, it takes 1 vitality for me to use
At night I can remove the charm from everyone that has one (by again using 1 Vit), taking 1 Vit from someone that's not my target, and 3 Vit for a person that is my target, and I heal Vit for that amount (because my role would be useless otherwise)
Anyone that has a charm, every day, I know when they send a private message to someone for the first time
Gonna be really bummed if Az tried to come back and rolled wolf for a third game in a row and that's why he hasn't posted
Whisper should claim his wincon on threat of being the default exile, on the presumption that he's actually just a serial killer
my wincon is kill 3 of 5 people, via being on their train and/or my ability, my ability does very little too people who aren't my target, so u don't have to worry me killing literally anyone, and I don't kill, I just take vitality
I am not a serial killer, I would certainly not be able to achieve my win-con by claiming
Anyone know where HR claimed though? I can't find it.
I'll just claim again.
I'm Verity, the King-in-Waiting. I have 4 vitality. My ability is I turn into a dragon. When I'm a dragon, I become really sleepy and can only post once every 24 hours and my vitality becomes 1. Once per phase during my slumber, I can create a skill channel with a player that lasts 2 phases. I can have multiple versions of these chats up. As long as I'm asleep, any of the people I'm in chat link with cannot have their abilities blocked, redirected, or prevented.
My ability blows, which is why I've never used it.
I thought I just caught Sloth slipping, but apparently not, thanks to Vaimes
Anyways, I guess it's time for me to spill the beans:
I'm Nettle, Town Skill Master.
The ability that I teased yesterday is that I turn any Skill chat that targets me (but not other way round) into a regular neighborhood.
I was targeted yesterday by Tammy (day start), Wisp (after I targeted him with Skill), Vaimes (after I mentioned that my role can be mod-confirmed), Bessie (soon after Vaimes) and Boom (~48h before day end)
I also targeted Cantrip yesterday with my Skill, hoping that he'd be more active that way, but that didn't seem to work.
Anyways, yes, I can confirm what Vaimes said about claiming vig.
Bessie didn't talk that much, only mentioned that they scum read Az/Anak, suspect Vaimes and think Cuth is neutral. They claimed that they opened the chat since they were curious.
Boom didn't say why they targeted me, only that they guessed what my ability does. They said they were saving their skill for coordinating the double yeet with possibly Az. And asked me for my "real reads" after I said in the thread I want Az dead towards the end of Day.
The chat with Wisp boils down to "wait, I thought you were wolf" and then us talking about reads. I can write some summary of you want, but I'm not currently spending much time on Wisp since I'm relatively sure he's neutral.
Vaimes spent some time on asking me to explain to him why I'm town, talking to me about his reads. Now that I actually reread the chat, he mentioned early on that Cuth skilled him (and later said that vig skilled him), so that checks out.
Tammy: I actually skilled Tammy N2 and claimed my role to them back then. She said that she targeted me since we got free chats D3. We talked a lot about reads, mainly revolving around Az/Anak. Then bit setup speculation, talked about the mass claim idea. Tammy actually thought at one point that Az TMI'd my role. Tammy then revealed to me some secrets about town protective/doctor(?) and then asked me about my read on Bessie.
I mentioned this to Tammy towards the end of Day, but I think there's 0-1 scum in the people who targeted me yesterday with Skill.
Me claiming that my role becomes mod-confirmed to those who target me with skill seems pretty tempting offer, but I don't think more than one scum would use their skill to check what my ability is, since they can obviously just share it with their mafia buddies.
So, [Tammy, Wisp, Vaimes, Bessie and Boom], out of which I should probably eye Bessie and Boom, maybe Vaimes.
Obviously ignore this if you have some good, concrete evidence that mafia has no means of communication to each other during the day. I just feel that most of the time these days mafia either has unlimited daychat or daychat enabler.
In the meantime, I'm Etta, Town Consort.
My ability is Queen's Protection. At Night, I can choose a player and spend 1 vit to protect them. If they get hit, they survive, and I lose an additional 1 vit. As a result, I have what I think is a fair amount of vit, though obviously not as much as before.
Thus far, none of my targets have been hit...yay.
I'm King Shrewd, Town Tyrant. I'm a pragmatic ruler, father of Chivalry, Verity, and Regal and unafraid of murder politics. I'm perfectly willing to doom myself so long as I bring my family's enemies down with me.
This translates to my ability Eye For Eye, I can spend 1 vit on me to take 1 vit away from others.
N1 I targeted no one.
N2 I killed GJ (ok, in fairness, I had no ******* clue he'd die) - this I claimed to Tammy, along with everything else, and you can see her one-sided conversation with me on her posts yesterDay which should have been another ******* clue, tammy.
N3 I targeted Boom for reasons stated. Kinda forgot he had that extra vit so I almost jumped on him when I saw he was alive. Wisp calling on cuth reminded me.
And that's it, now you know. Was it ******* worth it?
I'm back.
Ok, stepping away helped. I'm no longer annoyed at everything and I'm ready to try again.
I apologize if yesterday I was biting people's heads off.
I skimmed what I missed and I'm gonna answer to a few things that popped up to me.
In the meantime, I'm Etta, Town Consort.
My ability is Queen's Protection. At Night, I can choose a player and spend 1 vit to protect them. If they get hit, they survive, and I lose an additional 1 vit. As a result, I have what I think is a fair amount of vit, though obviously not as much as before.
Thus far, none of my targets have been hit...yay.
@tammy will confirm when she's available, she already knows the details of my ability, as well as my targets.
Something else I should bring up: One of the players taking vit at Night is town. I will not be explaining further at this time.
This is not what you claimed to me. I just double checked the skill, and you implied that you were a vit thief and said that you use one vitality to take one vitality. You said you didn't target HR night one, but that you were responsible for GJ night two. (And, you said yes that was me which I took to mean you took vitality from Boomfang. When I asked you why GJ instead of one of the top wagons, you talked about your suspicion on Johnny and that you didn't mean to kill him because you didn't expect him to die but you wanted to see how he reacted to losing vitality. In fact, in number 9, you literally asked me if I had an opinion on who you should shoot to which I replied that my understanding of the game was too *****ty to have an opinion on this. You said you have one more shot.
I don't know why you're claiming something completely different than what you claimed to me AND I don't know why you're claiming protection knowing that I know who the doctor is. Is there a reason you're not mentioning the targets you took?
Not only do I have a huge problem with you claiming something completely different than you claimed to me, but I'm hard counter claiming this role.
My name is Molly, and I'm the town Chandler. I'm trying to keep my family's shop alive. My ability is Mother's Pride and each night I can spend a certain amount of vitality to protect someone. They lose no vitality if they are attacked.
I claimed to Bur after wisp suggested I should claim because he's right I've been terrible this game. I do always pay attention to the night kill because I use the nightkill to gauge my understanding of the game, but I don't usually focus on it as much as I do this game. KJ - I asked you who you thought the nightkill would be because I wanted help with who I should target last night; KJ gave me a list. Also KJ when I asked you if Boom's role was compatible with a doctor, I meant with another player being a doctor not if he was basically the doctor. I also asked Bur yesterday, but they just said they hoped I wasn't the nightkill (which got me a little paranoid because I thought it meant that I was actually dying, which is why I started today saying that I thought Bur was town due to me being alive. Although if they thought Cantrip was vig, that would be more important than me, but I still think that Bur is likely town.) Oh and my reaction to the boomfang is me trying to work out how his role fit with mine, which I considered it might. I'd be the early game protection until my vitality ran out and by that time maybe he has enough vitality to pick up end game protection. This was also why I was trying to make sense of protective claims yesterday, because I am one. I did not leave any crumbs, but I've got doctor tells all over me.
When I got my role, I figured I'd see if I got a town read on Iso and if I thought Iso was town, I'd protect him until my vitality ran out. But then I got really concerned about the way he tunneled on crop circles day one and how it looked like he didn't read them after they're big wall of reads that I didn't think looked scummy. Not that it made him scum to be wrong or that he had to town read him, just that it didn't look like he was reading him. My town read just took a hit from it. Anyway I spent the night trying to figure out a town read that I trusted and found none, settled between Iso and Vaimes for protection thinking that if they were town they'd be more likely to die. Literally thought about protecting Rhand but decided he was more likely to be scum and wouldn't be the nightkill even if he were town. And I was wrong.
Doesn't matter though because I ****ed up the time zones. I asked Grapefruit for when deadline was and he converted it for me, but I don't live in EST anymore and forgot to convert to my actual time zone, so I missed deadline by a half an hour.
Night two I protected Sloth because I suck. Silver was my strongest town read at the time and should have been my no brainer protect especially with an investigative role. But I did not consider that silver would be a high priority kill, and I should have. I did consider Johnny because if I were scum that's who I'd kill. Johnny was putting in the most effort to solve and move the game forward out of anyone here, except wisp, and if I were scum that'd be my target. I only didn't protect him because he was just an even day double voter, so he was basically a vanilla townie day three, and I thought scum would go for a role that would affect them more. And I thought that the way Sloth was so convinced at the end of day meant that he had something on Azrael and that he was an investigative of some sort, so I protected there. (Oh, I double checked with grapefruit that my night two protection was one night only and did not affect Cuth's attack there. I knew it didn't, but I figured I'd double check so that I could verify I wasn't the cause of that.)
Last night I protected Vaimes. I actually considered Cantrip, but much like night one I thought well Cantrip really isn't posting much so why would they kill him? I looked over the list that KJ gave me and ultimately went for Vaimes. I thought if town he'd be a likely kill for the same reason that I thought Johnny would be a likely kill - not that he's doing as much solving as Johnny was but he's a strong presence when he's here.
So yes, I'm a sucky ass doctor and I'm doing terribly. I keep considering the actual nightkill and then discounting it which just says my understanding of the game state is actual ass.
He’s the last person with original wit. He witted me day two, didn’t want me to tell wisp.
I’m good holding onto people’s claims but not in massclaim when there’s literally no other reason to not claim it than you just don’t want wisp to charm you.
Oh, and it looks like we’re mass claiming?
Ok, I’m Brashen Trell, town first mate, I can spend 2 Vit to learn who visits a player at night. I have no useful results to share.
I’m Thymara, Town Dragon Keeper. My flavor is that I’m ugly but my father loves me anyways, and I help other ugly dragons sneak out of the city.
Started off Skill-less, could be used on me but I couldn’t use it (with the exception of Day 3, I used the free Skill to talk to Bur). And with the free vit on Day 3 I was able to pay to “transform” into an Elderling, which now allows me to use the Skill. I also started passively generating vitality. I haven’t spent any of it.
Dead Roles
It is an odd language, yours. You speak of passing time as in the mountains we speak of passing wind. As if it were a thing to be rid of.
You are Kettricken, Sacrifice of the Mountain Kingdom. Sacrifice is a translation of the local word for royalty and you take the meaning to heart. You care deeply about your subjects, always striving to do what is right for your people and hating the opulence that the nobles of the Seven Kingdom's expect. You formed a close bond with the wolf Nighteyes in your travels after your betrothal to King-in-Waiting Verity.
You start with 3 Vitality.
The Wit: 1-Shot Anytime Action - You bond with another player and are able to each send one 30-word message per phase to each other.
Glorious Queen: Night Action - You may spend 4V to reveal your alignment to one of your Wit partner(s).
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
Kennit, you are the storm.
You are the ambitious pirate Kennit. You dream of becoming the King of all Pirates and your fiercely loyal crew is fueled by your ambition. With your consort Etta and first mate Sorcor, your life becomes enmeshed with the lives of the Vestrit family.
You start with 3 Vitality.
Maroon: Night Action - You may spend 2V to make target player unable to use any abilities that resolve normally and unable to be targeted by any abilities that resolve normally for that night.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
True courage is about facing life without flinching. I don't mean the times when the right path is hard, but glorious at the end. I'm talking about enduring the boredom, the messiness, and the inconvenience of doing what is right.
You are the wife of Prince Chivalry. Despite the humiliation of his bastard child Fitzchivalry, you stayed true to your husband and strove to provide an education for Fitz. You are a gracious and kind lady of court if quite eccentric.
You start with 2 Vitality.
Graceful Queen: Night Action - You target a player. If they did not take an action that night, they gain 1V.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
The Fool - Town Fool
Death is always less painful and easier than life! You speak true. And yet we do not, day to day, choose death. Because ultimately, death is not the opposite of life, but the opposite of choice. Death is what you get when there are no choices left to make.
You are an enigma and a mystery. As the fool in King Shrewd's court, you have no name and are just known by your title. You are pale as snow and speak in riddles. While King Shrewd values you highly, his sons are deeply suspicious of your influence. Your one fast friend is another outcast at Buckkeep, the bastard child Fitz.
You start with 1 Vitality.
White Prophet: Passive - On even-numbered Days, you have a second vote. This vote cannot be used to vote the same player twice. This ability is not active if there are only 3 players alive.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
Fitzchivalry - Town Royal Bastard
No. No wolf wastes time on vengeance, and that is what this is. Vengeance, pure and simple. When people look most vicious, what you are seeing is not their animal side. It is the savagery that only humans can muster. When you see me loyal to my family, then you see the wolf.
You are Fitz, the bastard son of King-in-Waiting Chivalry. Your Grandfather, King Shrewd, brought you to Buckkeep and made sure your education was provided for, putting you under the care of Burrich, his stable master (and Chivalry's man), and Chade, his bastard half-brother and Royal Assassin. As a young man, you formed a close bond with the wolf Nighteyes and the King's Fool.
You start with 4 Vitality.
The Wit: 1-Shot Anytime Action - You bond with another player and are able to each send one 30-word message per phase to each other.
Untamed Skill: Passive - When you spend Vitality to create a Skill chat, the number of phases of the chat is 1 + the Vitality spent. (You still must spend at least 1V to open a chat)
Hard to Kill: Passive - The first time you would lose more than 3V, you instead lose 2V.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
Diplomacy is the velvet glove that cloaks the fist of power.
You are a wealthy trader in Bingtown. Married to Alise, you are generous with your money, allowing her to pursue her love of dragons. You have a narcissistic and jealous streak, but are highly respected in Bingtown society.
You start with 3 Vitality.
Mutually Beneficial: Night Action - You may spend 2V to learn who another target player visits that night. That player gains 1V.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Maybe GJ isn't a wolf, and it's just highroller, since that post howlssss. Keeping my vote, I didn't shade anyone also
I take 1 vit from people I don't need to target and 3 from people I do, it still requires in worlds of 7 starting vit, 3 days phases to kill someone by myself. Actually 3 day phases to set up and a night phase to off them
Do you target people during the Day and during the Night and take 1/3 vitality each time?
I can only give a charm once a day, it takes 1 vitality for me to use
At night I can remove the charm from everyone that has one (by again using 1 Vit), taking 1 Vit from someone that's not my target, and 3 Vit for a person that is my target, and I heal Vit for that amount (because my role would be useless otherwise)
Anyone that has a charm, every day, I know when they send a private message to someone for the first time
Gonna be really bummed if Az tried to come back and rolled wolf for a third game in a row and that's why he hasn't posted
Whisper should claim his wincon on threat of being the default exile, on the presumption that he's actually just a serial killer
my wincon is kill 3 of 5 people, via being on their train and/or my ability, my ability does very little too people who aren't my target, so u don't have to worry me killing literally anyone, and I don't kill, I just take vitality
I am not a serial killer, I would certainly not be able to achieve my win-con by claiming
Anyone know where HR claimed though? I can't find it.
I'll just claim again.
I'm Verity, the King-in-Waiting. I have 4 vitality. My ability is I turn into a dragon. When I'm a dragon, I become really sleepy and can only post once every 24 hours and my vitality becomes 1. Once per phase during my slumber, I can create a skill channel with a player that lasts 2 phases. I can have multiple versions of these chats up. As long as I'm asleep, any of the people I'm in chat link with cannot have their abilities blocked, redirected, or prevented.
My ability blows, which is why I've never used it.
I thought I just caught Sloth slipping, but apparently not, thanks to Vaimes
Anyways, I guess it's time for me to spill the beans:
I'm Nettle, Town Skill Master.
The ability that I teased yesterday is that I turn any Skill chat that targets me (but not other way round) into a regular neighborhood.
I was targeted yesterday by Tammy (day start), Wisp (after I targeted him with Skill), Vaimes (after I mentioned that my role can be mod-confirmed), Bessie (soon after Vaimes) and Boom (~48h before day end)
I also targeted Cantrip yesterday with my Skill, hoping that he'd be more active that way, but that didn't seem to work.
Anyways, yes, I can confirm what Vaimes said about claiming vig.
Bessie didn't talk that much, only mentioned that they scum read Az/Anak, suspect Vaimes and think Cuth is neutral. They claimed that they opened the chat since they were curious.
Boom didn't say why they targeted me, only that they guessed what my ability does. They said they were saving their skill for coordinating the double yeet with possibly Az. And asked me for my "real reads" after I said in the thread I want Az dead towards the end of Day.
The chat with Wisp boils down to "wait, I thought you were wolf" and then us talking about reads. I can write some summary of you want, but I'm not currently spending much time on Wisp since I'm relatively sure he's neutral.
Vaimes spent some time on asking me to explain to him why I'm town, talking to me about his reads. Now that I actually reread the chat, he mentioned early on that Cuth skilled him (and later said that vig skilled him), so that checks out.
Tammy: I actually skilled Tammy N2 and claimed my role to them back then. She said that she targeted me since we got free chats D3. We talked a lot about reads, mainly revolving around Az/Anak. Then bit setup speculation, talked about the mass claim idea. Tammy actually thought at one point that Az TMI'd my role. Tammy then revealed to me some secrets about town protective/doctor(?) and then asked me about my read on Bessie.
I mentioned this to Tammy towards the end of Day, but I think there's 0-1 scum in the people who targeted me yesterday with Skill.
Me claiming that my role becomes mod-confirmed to those who target me with skill seems pretty tempting offer, but I don't think more than one scum would use their skill to check what my ability is, since they can obviously just share it with their mafia buddies.
So, [Tammy, Wisp, Vaimes, Bessie and Boom], out of which I should probably eye Bessie and Boom, maybe Vaimes.
Obviously ignore this if you have some good, concrete evidence that mafia has no means of communication to each other during the day. I just feel that most of the time these days mafia either has unlimited daychat or daychat enabler.
In the meantime, I'm Etta, Town Consort.
My ability is Queen's Protection. At Night, I can choose a player and spend 1 vit to protect them. If they get hit, they survive, and I lose an additional 1 vit. As a result, I have what I think is a fair amount of vit, though obviously not as much as before.
Thus far, none of my targets have been hit...yay.
I'm King Shrewd, Town Tyrant. I'm a pragmatic ruler, father of Chivalry, Verity, and Regal and unafraid of murder politics. I'm perfectly willing to doom myself so long as I bring my family's enemies down with me.
This translates to my ability Eye For Eye, I can spend 1 vit on me to take 1 vit away from others.
N1 I targeted no one.
N2 I killed GJ (ok, in fairness, I had no ******* clue he'd die) - this I claimed to Tammy, along with everything else, and you can see her one-sided conversation with me on her posts yesterDay which should have been another ******* clue, tammy.
N3 I targeted Boom for reasons stated. Kinda forgot he had that extra vit so I almost jumped on him when I saw he was alive. Wisp calling on cuth reminded me.
And that's it, now you know. Was it ******* worth it?
I'm back.
Ok, stepping away helped. I'm no longer annoyed at everything and I'm ready to try again.
I apologize if yesterday I was biting people's heads off.
I skimmed what I missed and I'm gonna answer to a few things that popped up to me.
In the meantime, I'm Etta, Town Consort.
My ability is Queen's Protection. At Night, I can choose a player and spend 1 vit to protect them. If they get hit, they survive, and I lose an additional 1 vit. As a result, I have what I think is a fair amount of vit, though obviously not as much as before.
Thus far, none of my targets have been hit...yay.
@tammy will confirm when she's available, she already knows the details of my ability, as well as my targets.
Something else I should bring up: One of the players taking vit at Night is town. I will not be explaining further at this time.
This is not what you claimed to me. I just double checked the skill, and you implied that you were a vit thief and said that you use one vitality to take one vitality. You said you didn't target HR night one, but that you were responsible for GJ night two. (And, you said yes that was me which I took to mean you took vitality from Boomfang. When I asked you why GJ instead of one of the top wagons, you talked about your suspicion on Johnny and that you didn't mean to kill him because you didn't expect him to die but you wanted to see how he reacted to losing vitality. In fact, in number 9, you literally asked me if I had an opinion on who you should shoot to which I replied that my understanding of the game was too *****ty to have an opinion on this. You said you have one more shot.
I don't know why you're claiming something completely different than what you claimed to me AND I don't know why you're claiming protection knowing that I know who the doctor is. Is there a reason you're not mentioning the targets you took?
Not only do I have a huge problem with you claiming something completely different than you claimed to me, but I'm hard counter claiming this role.
My name is Molly, and I'm the town Chandler. I'm trying to keep my family's shop alive. My ability is Mother's Pride and each night I can spend a certain amount of vitality to protect someone. They lose no vitality if they are attacked.
I claimed to Bur after wisp suggested I should claim because he's right I've been terrible this game. I do always pay attention to the night kill because I use the nightkill to gauge my understanding of the game, but I don't usually focus on it as much as I do this game. KJ - I asked you who you thought the nightkill would be because I wanted help with who I should target last night; KJ gave me a list. Also KJ when I asked you if Boom's role was compatible with a doctor, I meant with another player being a doctor not if he was basically the doctor. I also asked Bur yesterday, but they just said they hoped I wasn't the nightkill (which got me a little paranoid because I thought it meant that I was actually dying, which is why I started today saying that I thought Bur was town due to me being alive. Although if they thought Cantrip was vig, that would be more important than me, but I still think that Bur is likely town.) Oh and my reaction to the boomfang is me trying to work out how his role fit with mine, which I considered it might. I'd be the early game protection until my vitality ran out and by that time maybe he has enough vitality to pick up end game protection. This was also why I was trying to make sense of protective claims yesterday, because I am one. I did not leave any crumbs, but I've got doctor tells all over me.
When I got my role, I figured I'd see if I got a town read on Iso and if I thought Iso was town, I'd protect him until my vitality ran out. But then I got really concerned about the way he tunneled on crop circles day one and how it looked like he didn't read them after they're big wall of reads that I didn't think looked scummy. Not that it made him scum to be wrong or that he had to town read him, just that it didn't look like he was reading him. My town read just took a hit from it. Anyway I spent the night trying to figure out a town read that I trusted and found none, settled between Iso and Vaimes for protection thinking that if they were town they'd be more likely to die. Literally thought about protecting Rhand but decided he was more likely to be scum and wouldn't be the nightkill even if he were town. And I was wrong.
Doesn't matter though because I ****ed up the time zones. I asked Grapefruit for when deadline was and he converted it for me, but I don't live in EST anymore and forgot to convert to my actual time zone, so I missed deadline by a half an hour.
Night two I protected Sloth because I suck. Silver was my strongest town read at the time and should have been my no brainer protect especially with an investigative role. But I did not consider that silver would be a high priority kill, and I should have. I did consider Johnny because if I were scum that's who I'd kill. Johnny was putting in the most effort to solve and move the game forward out of anyone here, except wisp, and if I were scum that'd be my target. I only didn't protect him because he was just an even day double voter, so he was basically a vanilla townie day three, and I thought scum would go for a role that would affect them more. And I thought that the way Sloth was so convinced at the end of day meant that he had something on Azrael and that he was an investigative of some sort, so I protected there. (Oh, I double checked with grapefruit that my night two protection was one night only and did not affect Cuth's attack there. I knew it didn't, but I figured I'd double check so that I could verify I wasn't the cause of that.)
Last night I protected Vaimes. I actually considered Cantrip, but much like night one I thought well Cantrip really isn't posting much so why would they kill him? I looked over the list that KJ gave me and ultimately went for Vaimes. I thought if town he'd be a likely kill for the same reason that I thought Johnny would be a likely kill - not that he's doing as much solving as Johnny was but he's a strong presence when he's here.
So yes, I'm a sucky ass doctor and I'm doing terribly. I keep considering the actual nightkill and then discounting it which just says my understanding of the game state is actual ass.
He’s the last person with original wit. He witted me day two, didn’t want me to tell wisp.
I’m good holding onto people’s claims but not in massclaim when there’s literally no other reason to not claim it than you just don’t want wisp to charm you.
Oh, and it looks like we’re mass claiming?
Ok, I’m Brashen Trell, town first mate, I can spend 2 Vit to learn who visits a player at night. I have no useful results to share.
I’m Thymara, Town Dragon Keeper. My flavor is that I’m ugly but my father loves me anyways, and I help other ugly dragons sneak out of the city.
Started off Skill-less, could be used on me but I couldn’t use it (with the exception of Day 3, I used the free Skill to talk to Bur). And with the free vit on Day 3 I was able to pay to “transform” into an Elderling, which now allows me to use the Skill. I also started passively generating vitality. I haven’t spent any of it.
I’m Nighteyes Town Wit Companion. I can spend 2 vitality to open a second wit pairing, and can transfer the messages I receive to anyone I’m witted with in addition to my own message. I targeted Johnny N1 and asked who he thought I should link. He wasn’t sure, suggested Iso or Tammy. After I threw my hands up when he was just going to shrug vote me, I didn’t really care anymore but when I noticed I was still alive, I picked Sloth because he wanted Az more than me and no offence to Tammy or Anak, but I’m pretty sure I think Tammy is town and Iso wasn’t towny to me and Anak is tainted by that still.
Vaimes is not likely to be scum, I would be dead if he was and there’s no reason to worry about my legacy if he’s scum.
Given how my ability is worded I would most certainly die if I used it.
I'm a vitality battery, so with my Wit I establish a permanent connection with someone, which was Az. Each night I lose a vitality and they gain a vitality while we are Witted. I can't break the connection and it lasts forever.
Trade off was I started with a bunch of vitality. Which is now all but gone.
And I'm unable to use The Skill. Hence, VT.
And given Wisp is probably gonna hit me again tonight, will be surprised to make it to tomorrow at this point
Dead Roles
It is an odd language, yours. You speak of passing time as in the mountains we speak of passing wind. As if it were a thing to be rid of.
You are Kettricken, Sacrifice of the Mountain Kingdom. Sacrifice is a translation of the local word for royalty and you take the meaning to heart. You care deeply about your subjects, always striving to do what is right for your people and hating the opulence that the nobles of the Seven Kingdom's expect. You formed a close bond with the wolf Nighteyes in your travels after your betrothal to King-in-Waiting Verity.
You start with 3 Vitality.
The Wit: 1-Shot Anytime Action - You bond with another player and are able to each send one 30-word message per phase to each other.
Glorious Queen: Night Action - You may spend 4V to reveal your alignment to one of your Wit partner(s).
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
Kennit, you are the storm.
You are the ambitious pirate Kennit. You dream of becoming the King of all Pirates and your fiercely loyal crew is fueled by your ambition. With your consort Etta and first mate Sorcor, your life becomes enmeshed with the lives of the Vestrit family.
You start with 3 Vitality.
Maroon: Night Action - You may spend 2V to make target player unable to use any abilities that resolve normally and unable to be targeted by any abilities that resolve normally for that night.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
True courage is about facing life without flinching. I don't mean the times when the right path is hard, but glorious at the end. I'm talking about enduring the boredom, the messiness, and the inconvenience of doing what is right.
You are the wife of Prince Chivalry. Despite the humiliation of his bastard child Fitzchivalry, you stayed true to your husband and strove to provide an education for Fitz. You are a gracious and kind lady of court if quite eccentric.
You start with 2 Vitality.
Graceful Queen: Night Action - You target a player. If they did not take an action that night, they gain 1V.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
The Fool - Town Fool
Death is always less painful and easier than life! You speak true. And yet we do not, day to day, choose death. Because ultimately, death is not the opposite of life, but the opposite of choice. Death is what you get when there are no choices left to make.
You are an enigma and a mystery. As the fool in King Shrewd's court, you have no name and are just known by your title. You are pale as snow and speak in riddles. While King Shrewd values you highly, his sons are deeply suspicious of your influence. Your one fast friend is another outcast at Buckkeep, the bastard child Fitz.
You start with 1 Vitality.
White Prophet: Passive - On even-numbered Days, you have a second vote. This vote cannot be used to vote the same player twice. This ability is not active if there are only 3 players alive.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
Fitzchivalry - Town Royal Bastard
No. No wolf wastes time on vengeance, and that is what this is. Vengeance, pure and simple. When people look most vicious, what you are seeing is not their animal side. It is the savagery that only humans can muster. When you see me loyal to my family, then you see the wolf.
You are Fitz, the bastard son of King-in-Waiting Chivalry. Your Grandfather, King Shrewd, brought you to Buckkeep and made sure your education was provided for, putting you under the care of Burrich, his stable master (and Chivalry's man), and Chade, his bastard half-brother and Royal Assassin. As a young man, you formed a close bond with the wolf Nighteyes and the King's Fool.
You start with 4 Vitality.
The Wit: 1-Shot Anytime Action - You bond with another player and are able to each send one 30-word message per phase to each other.
Untamed Skill: Passive - When you spend Vitality to create a Skill chat, the number of phases of the chat is 1 + the Vitality spent. (You still must spend at least 1V to open a chat)
Hard to Kill: Passive - The first time you would lose more than 3V, you instead lose 2V.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
Diplomacy is the velvet glove that cloaks the fist of power.
You are a wealthy trader in Bingtown. Married to Alise, you are generous with your money, allowing her to pursue her love of dragons. You have a narcissistic and jealous streak, but are highly respected in Bingtown society.
You start with 3 Vitality.
Mutually Beneficial: Night Action - You may spend 2V to learn who another target player visits that night. That player gains 1V.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
if i have a wolf vig why do i hint at it from d2 and then never use it
if i have a different powerful wolf role why do i play this way all game and then soft a pr d2 as a member of the poe and then fully claim vig d3 as someone near the bottom of the poe and then not even try to claim the wolf kill or anything
if i don't have a major role why do i hint at a powerful and obvious one from d2 and then still pretend i do
if i have a wolf vig why do i hint at it from d2 and then never use it
if i have a different powerful wolf role why do i play this way all game and then soft a pr d2 as a member of the poe and then fully claim vig d3 as someone near the bottom of the poe and then not even try to claim the wolf kill or anything
if i don't have a major role why do i hint at a powerful and obvious one from d2 and then still pretend i do
You tried to use it though, right? Also it's expensive.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
if i have a wolf vig why do i hint at it from d2 and then never use it
if i have a different powerful wolf role why do i play this way all game and then soft a pr d2 as a member of the poe and then fully claim vig d3 as someone near the bottom of the poe and then not even try to claim the wolf kill or anything
if i don't have a major role why do i hint at a powerful and obvious one from d2 and then still pretend i do
You tried to use it though, right? Also it's expensive.
i did, but that's my point lol
are there any town roles claiming that they blocked me because they were suspicious? no
I'm wondering if there's friction between Bur's role and bessie's. Would you classify a neighborizer such as him as psudoinvestigative due to the ability in those private conversations to get insight not possible in the public thread, or is a communication ability not thought of like that in balancing?
@Tammy: I think boom's ability is expensive enough to be in a game with you and have you both be town, sure.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Az is also not an idiot. Why wouldn't he claim Anak's role to town when it was looking like there was no other way to save himself? He may have been potentially unkillable if I'm understanding the combination of both his role and Anak's, outside of the yeet, yet he didn't bring it up? What the hell?
Like, Az himself had already claimed by this point, so there was no reason to not have Anak claim or out him.
I point you to this and other posts. If Anak's claim is true and Az did not claim it (either to live or on Anak's behalf before eoD) or at least confirm it, then Azrael is an idiot. This is why I FOS Anak.
Compare and contrast this to an exchange between you and I, which is a legitimate example with actual reasoning to not claim when others may have thought it be best to:
I promised myself I would not town read this claim since you didn't claim earlier, so I am not
And yeah, I saw your multiple attempts to get me to claim yesterDay and your assumption that it was necessary. I disagreed, and I was right.
I skill-claimed Tammy in case I died overNight, then you'd have my flip and she'd fill in the blanks. Otherwise I was more or less expecting to claim toDay anyway. I took the necessary steps to make sure my info made it to town no matter what.
Like, you can huff and puff all you want about how claiming yesterDay was the right move but unless you can actually put a reason to the belief, you're just wrong.
I am tired of repeating this, it honestly feels like you're pretending not to understand.
if i have a wolf vig why do i hint at it from d2 and then never use it
if i have a different powerful wolf role why do i play this way all game and then soft a pr d2 as a member of the poe and then fully claim vig d3 as someone near the bottom of the poe and then not even try to claim the wolf kill or anything
if i don't have a major role why do i hint at a powerful and obvious one from d2 and then still pretend i do
You tried to use it though, right? Also it's expensive.
i did, but that's my point lol
are there any town roles claiming that they blocked me because they were suspicious? no
There's also no proof you did it, nor that you were prevented from doing it.
Either you're telling the truth or you're lying, which doesn't help us solve you.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I'm wondering if there's friction between Bur's role and bessie's. Would you classify a neighborizer such as him as psudoinvestigative due to the ability in those private conversations to get insight not possible in the public thread, or is a communication ability not thought of like that in balancing?
@Tammy: I think boom's ability is expensive enough to be in a game with you and have you both be town, sure.
Dude, why even ask this, there's no definite right answer without Grape confirming it.
But no, Neighborhoods don't give any info nor do they prevent you from lying, they aren't masons. Neighborhoods is just another chat to bluff your way in as scum, same as the thread.
What makes no sense at all is that anyone who thinks I'm somehow scum should just be more than happy to yeet anyone else and let Wisp kill me tonight. Would take out a scum and let Wisp go.
Why wouldn't we just yeet you today than risk another morning of "oh I hit him but didn't kill him apparently"?
Why are you pursuing the idea of "oh just let me live toDay, Wisp can kill me for you"?
uhhm I can't fathom what goes on in Azreal's head, and regardless of the mechanical information
maybe I just want to believe that Azreal is correct on his read of Anak, maybe that is what I wanna do
Now Anak arguing that new information couldn't possibly help is silly
Anak voting in a way that just feels so like it shouldn't be how you vote the day before lylo
and clearly someone is lying about something, that much we can assume
I have been going through Anak's post and has arguably some terrible thoughts
honestly I'm getting too tired to think right now
I have been going through Anak's wolf and town games, and he clearly has a very good grasp on how to write content regardless of his alignment, which makes this even harder.
so I guess tldr
If Azreal did claim what Anak is stating now, it would very easily make Anak lock town
This is without a doubt the worst post I've ever seen you make.
Have you gotten enough rest yet? Can you look back on this and...I don't know, fix it? Explain it better? What were you trying to say?
I know you're frustrated, but I ask you to step away and come back when you aren't. I don't mean to offend, but watching you complain through the last 2 pages of the thread has not made it a fun read. I will love to engage when you come back refreshed.
Maybe you can explain why I'm suddenly scum to you then?
This kind of makes it seem like you didn't even bother to check and just jumped on the easy yeet opportunity: KJ even quoted both posts and his error was CLEARLY discernable.
I’m Thymara, Town Dragon Keeper. My flavor is that I’m ugly but my father loves me anyways, and I help other ugly dragons sneak out of the city.
Started off Skill-less, could be used on me but I couldn’t use it (with the exception of Day 3, I used the free Skill to talk to Bur). And with the free vit on Day 3 I was able to pay to “transform” into an Elderling, which now allows me to use the Skill. I also started passively generating vitality. I haven’t spent any of it.
If I understand correctly your only ability is that you get to use the skill and steadily gain vit, nothing more - is that correct?
@slothful
It doesn't matter, I've try to analyze night actions which is bad, another world I can assume is that wolves have been perma roleblocking Cuth because of his breadcrumb, which of course we wouldn't realize until he actually made his shot
I'm assuming that he is real, and that makes Highroller also real
Evidently, there is no dreaming god, so I dunno if the free vit was a random thing or a scum thing that happened to benefit town.
I think it was a non random built in thing. Like, it was always going to happen D3 no matter what else was going on. Maaaaybe it was triggered by the no yeet but that seems unlikely and bad game design if no one knew that was possible.
Not a town one anyway.
I proposed a theory to Tammy that it was a scum role, due to the compulsory second vote, but obviously I have no way to prove that.
That makes no sense. That same event gave us extra vit/skill. If it IS a scum ability somehow, they would have never used it.
At least 8? I wanna say my first game (Amnesia) was in 2012 but I can't specifically remember.
It's been a while.
I've never seen two of the same role on the same side before. It's certainly possible but if it happened that choice was made knowing full well both of you would be suspicious when claiming.
Watcher/Tracker Combo is one of the most common roles you see in games.
The watcher (bessie) is theoretically the scummier of the two because it has more of a PR hunting vibe.
(Also because it hasn't flipped town.)
@sloth: Why did you change your name when you originally claimed?
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You mean the Etta thing? I figured Tammy might need my flavor - she didn't have it, but if asked about it I could provide it.
I wiki'd the name, just thought it'd be cool to be prostitute.
This kind of makes it seem like you didn't even bother to check and just jumped on the easy yeet opportunity: KJ even quoted both posts and his error was CLEARLY discernable.
ya ur right my obvious 3p ass is trying to randomly kill people disingenuously, or are u finna suggest I am a wolf? Your right, I didn't read it, I got excited because if Bessie was a confirmed wolf, I could win, so excuse me for rushing.
It's been a while.
I've never seen two of the same role on the same side before. It's certainly possible but if it happened that choice was made knowing full well both of you would be suspicious when claiming.
Unvote
I'm not a huge fan of the reactionary vote on Wisp though.
The fact that Bessie didn't point it out but instead omgus votes someone is pretty damning, not gonna lie
@Bessie
sigh jesus Killjoy, getting my hopes up
double trackers would never believe it, I read those two quotes real quick, didnt even notice
what exactly is there not to get? your role if real pretty much means there exists a role that can disrupt abilities, which aligns with Cuth's claim
but it still has never seen the light of day till today
wolves most likely have some kind of investigative role, I do not believe its killjoy, Bessie's fits the bill
they are in the PoE either way
like none of this is rocket science
who have you targeted
Wisp’s lack of thought (rereading the claims, or thinking about the odds of duplicate roles) and his vote makes me feel that he has moved from trying to figure out the game to just trying to get through the day.
******* hello?
WAHAT LACK OF THOUGHTS, HOLY **** MAN
so maybe I do want to end the day rather than see people talk about how I need to die, instead of actively trying to find a wolf, so I can win
instead of trying to analyze them
That’s all I’ve got until I can look at them all side-by-side.
anyone I vote just leads to another vote on me, it's literally the easiest direction to move now
because we lose if we hit town here, and Sloth is also a wolf
if wolves could win based off the claims, I would already have been hammered by now, that's something I guess
I do not think the direction of the kills will follow mechanical claims, its still more likely to be you or tammy
because neither affects the PoE, just like how Cantrip's kill went
Highroller was the only one who brought it up
@Vaimes
yes, it's highly likely, doesn't mean it doesn't irk me, because again, it's super unlikely we ever kill that anyways
anyways, I am going to build a team assuming Bessie is just a wolf here, after I get out of work
oi look here
i know this is kind of what i get for crumbing it so obviously in thread but also if it wasn't for randomly being targeted by wisp at the start of the game this wouldn't have come up in the first place
but tell me why i play this the way i've played this mechanically as a wolf ever
U would always evaluate Cuth first anyways, and figure out Highroller afterwards.
Anak: what was your view of bessie prior to her claim/reaction?
That is just wine, but I will say that you not even having one decent push all game doesn't at all line up with how you played the DLP game
Someone get the current votes
I'm Verity, the King-in-Waiting. I have 4 vitality. My ability is I turn into a dragon. When I'm a dragon, I become really sleepy and can only post once every 24 hours and my vitality becomes 1. Once per phase during my slumber, I can create a skill channel with a player that lasts 2 phases. I can have multiple versions of these chats up. As long as I'm asleep, any of the people I'm in chat link with cannot have their abilities blocked, redirected, or prevented.
My ability blows, which is why I've never used it.
Dead Roles
You are Kettricken, Sacrifice of the Mountain Kingdom. Sacrifice is a translation of the local word for royalty and you take the meaning to heart. You care deeply about your subjects, always striving to do what is right for your people and hating the opulence that the nobles of the Seven Kingdom's expect. You formed a close bond with the wolf Nighteyes in your travels after your betrothal to King-in-Waiting Verity.
You start with 3 Vitality.
The Wit: 1-Shot Anytime Action - You bond with another player and are able to each send one 30-word message per phase to each other.
Glorious Queen: Night Action - You may spend 4V to reveal your alignment to one of your Wit partner(s).
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
You are the ambitious pirate Kennit. You dream of becoming the King of all Pirates and your fiercely loyal crew is fueled by your ambition. With your consort Etta and first mate Sorcor, your life becomes enmeshed with the lives of the Vestrit family.
You start with 3 Vitality.
Maroon: Night Action - You may spend 2V to make target player unable to use any abilities that resolve normally and unable to be targeted by any abilities that resolve normally for that night.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
You are the wife of Prince Chivalry. Despite the humiliation of his bastard child Fitzchivalry, you stayed true to your husband and strove to provide an education for Fitz. You are a gracious and kind lady of court if quite eccentric.
You start with 2 Vitality.
Graceful Queen: Night Action - You target a player. If they did not take an action that night, they gain 1V.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
Death is always less painful and easier than life! You speak true. And yet we do not, day to day, choose death. Because ultimately, death is not the opposite of life, but the opposite of choice. Death is what you get when there are no choices left to make.
You are an enigma and a mystery. As the fool in King Shrewd's court, you have no name and are just known by your title. You are pale as snow and speak in riddles. While King Shrewd values you highly, his sons are deeply suspicious of your influence. Your one fast friend is another outcast at Buckkeep, the bastard child Fitz.
You start with 1 Vitality.
White Prophet: Passive - On even-numbered Days, you have a second vote. This vote cannot be used to vote the same player twice. This ability is not active if there are only 3 players alive.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
No. No wolf wastes time on vengeance, and that is what this is. Vengeance, pure and simple. When people look most vicious, what you are seeing is not their animal side. It is the savagery that only humans can muster. When you see me loyal to my family, then you see the wolf.
You are Fitz, the bastard son of King-in-Waiting Chivalry. Your Grandfather, King Shrewd, brought you to Buckkeep and made sure your education was provided for, putting you under the care of Burrich, his stable master (and Chivalry's man), and Chade, his bastard half-brother and Royal Assassin. As a young man, you formed a close bond with the wolf Nighteyes and the King's Fool.
You start with 4 Vitality.
The Wit: 1-Shot Anytime Action - You bond with another player and are able to each send one 30-word message per phase to each other.
Untamed Skill: Passive - When you spend Vitality to create a Skill chat, the number of phases of the chat is 1 + the Vitality spent. (You still must spend at least 1V to open a chat)
Hard to Kill: Passive - The first time you would lose more than 3V, you instead lose 2V.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
You are a wealthy trader in Bingtown. Married to Alise, you are generous with your money, allowing her to pursue her love of dragons. You have a narcissistic and jealous streak, but are highly respected in Bingtown society.
You start with 3 Vitality.
Mutually Beneficial: Night Action - You may spend 2V to learn who another target player visits that night. That player gains 1V.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
Anak
Tubba
Live Roles:
I'm Verity, the King-in-Waiting. I have 4 vitality. My ability is I turn into a dragon. When I'm a dragon, I become really sleepy and can only post once every 24 hours and my vitality becomes 1. Once per phase during my slumber, I can create a skill channel with a player that lasts 2 phases. I can have multiple versions of these chats up. As long as I'm asleep, any of the people I'm in chat link with cannot have their abilities blocked, redirected, or prevented.
My ability blows, which is why I've never used it.
Dead Roles
You are Kettricken, Sacrifice of the Mountain Kingdom. Sacrifice is a translation of the local word for royalty and you take the meaning to heart. You care deeply about your subjects, always striving to do what is right for your people and hating the opulence that the nobles of the Seven Kingdom's expect. You formed a close bond with the wolf Nighteyes in your travels after your betrothal to King-in-Waiting Verity.
You start with 3 Vitality.
The Wit: 1-Shot Anytime Action - You bond with another player and are able to each send one 30-word message per phase to each other.
Glorious Queen: Night Action - You may spend 4V to reveal your alignment to one of your Wit partner(s).
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
You are the ambitious pirate Kennit. You dream of becoming the King of all Pirates and your fiercely loyal crew is fueled by your ambition. With your consort Etta and first mate Sorcor, your life becomes enmeshed with the lives of the Vestrit family.
You start with 3 Vitality.
Maroon: Night Action - You may spend 2V to make target player unable to use any abilities that resolve normally and unable to be targeted by any abilities that resolve normally for that night.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
You are the wife of Prince Chivalry. Despite the humiliation of his bastard child Fitzchivalry, you stayed true to your husband and strove to provide an education for Fitz. You are a gracious and kind lady of court if quite eccentric.
You start with 2 Vitality.
Graceful Queen: Night Action - You target a player. If they did not take an action that night, they gain 1V.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
Death is always less painful and easier than life! You speak true. And yet we do not, day to day, choose death. Because ultimately, death is not the opposite of life, but the opposite of choice. Death is what you get when there are no choices left to make.
You are an enigma and a mystery. As the fool in King Shrewd's court, you have no name and are just known by your title. You are pale as snow and speak in riddles. While King Shrewd values you highly, his sons are deeply suspicious of your influence. Your one fast friend is another outcast at Buckkeep, the bastard child Fitz.
You start with 1 Vitality.
White Prophet: Passive - On even-numbered Days, you have a second vote. This vote cannot be used to vote the same player twice. This ability is not active if there are only 3 players alive.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
No. No wolf wastes time on vengeance, and that is what this is. Vengeance, pure and simple. When people look most vicious, what you are seeing is not their animal side. It is the savagery that only humans can muster. When you see me loyal to my family, then you see the wolf.
You are Fitz, the bastard son of King-in-Waiting Chivalry. Your Grandfather, King Shrewd, brought you to Buckkeep and made sure your education was provided for, putting you under the care of Burrich, his stable master (and Chivalry's man), and Chade, his bastard half-brother and Royal Assassin. As a young man, you formed a close bond with the wolf Nighteyes and the King's Fool.
You start with 4 Vitality.
The Wit: 1-Shot Anytime Action - You bond with another player and are able to each send one 30-word message per phase to each other.
Untamed Skill: Passive - When you spend Vitality to create a Skill chat, the number of phases of the chat is 1 + the Vitality spent. (You still must spend at least 1V to open a chat)
Hard to Kill: Passive - The first time you would lose more than 3V, you instead lose 2V.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
You are a wealthy trader in Bingtown. Married to Alise, you are generous with your money, allowing her to pursue her love of dragons. You have a narcissistic and jealous streak, but are highly respected in Bingtown society.
You start with 3 Vitality.
Mutually Beneficial: Night Action - You may spend 2V to learn who another target player visits that night. That player gains 1V.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
if i have a wolf vig why do i hint at it from d2 and then never use it
if i have a different powerful wolf role why do i play this way all game and then soft a pr d2 as a member of the poe and then fully claim vig d3 as someone near the bottom of the poe and then not even try to claim the wolf kill or anything
if i don't have a major role why do i hint at a powerful and obvious one from d2 and then still pretend i do
i did, but that's my point lol
are there any town roles claiming that they blocked me because they were suspicious? no
I'm wondering if there's friction between Bur's role and bessie's. Would you classify a neighborizer such as him as psudoinvestigative due to the ability in those private conversations to get insight not possible in the public thread, or is a communication ability not thought of like that in balancing?
@Tammy: I think boom's ability is expensive enough to be in a game with you and have you both be town, sure.
A-hem.
I point you to this and other posts. If Anak's claim is true and Az did not claim it (either to live or on Anak's behalf before eoD) or at least confirm it, then Azrael is an idiot. This is why I FOS Anak.
Compare and contrast this to an exchange between you and I, which is a legitimate example with actual reasoning to not claim when others may have thought it be best to:
? Cuth? Why just Cuth?
We have a Doc, a JK, me, you. HR's role doesnt just affect KPs from my understanding.
Either you're telling the truth or you're lying, which doesn't help us solve you.
But no, Neighborhoods don't give any info nor do they prevent you from lying, they aren't masons. Neighborhoods is just another chat to bluff your way in as scum, same as the thread.
Why are you pursuing the idea of "oh just let me live toDay, Wisp can kill me for you"?
Have you gotten enough rest yet? Can you look back on this and...I don't know, fix it? Explain it better? What were you trying to say?
I know you're frustrated, but I ask you to step away and come back when you aren't. I don't mean to offend, but watching you complain through the last 2 pages of the thread has not made it a fun read. I will love to engage when you come back refreshed.
Maybe you can explain why I'm suddenly scum to you then?
It doesn't matter, I've try to analyze night actions which is bad, another world I can assume is that wolves have been perma roleblocking Cuth because of his breadcrumb, which of course we wouldn't realize until he actually made his shot
I'm assuming that he is real, and that makes Highroller also real
I am re-building my PoE with that in mind
Watcher/Tracker Combo is one of the most common roles you see in games.
The watcher (bessie) is theoretically the scummier of the two because it has more of a PR hunting vibe.
(Also because it hasn't flipped town.)
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You mean the Etta thing? I figured Tammy might need my flavor - she didn't have it, but if asked about it I could provide it.
I wiki'd the name, just thought it'd be cool to be prostitute.
Stop making bad posts