Tammy IS kinda consensus though.
I don't recall seeing any like, SOLID reasons for her to be town? It was mostly "she just seems really townie" iirc.
If anyone has a good one, tell me. I'd like to know.
i would be floored if she flips w after the interaction with az yesterday
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
So Bur’s power feels too strong for scum, Cuth’s Vig claim hasn’t been countered and town should have a KP or some kind of Vit drain. Cuth has not been towny, but was that to stay under the radar and duck NK?
@Cuth How long does it take to charge up your shot?
If no one else is claiming to have lost vit over the course of the game (Wisp-related vit doesn't count), it means scum were either always vitdraining one living villager and the one they NK'd, OR it's a lie, there's only one vitdrain target, and there's one scum in Boom/HR.
Think everyone is assuming GJ was one who died to vitdrain, but there was no second person who claimed?
If no one else is claiming to have lost vit over the course of the game (Wisp-related vit doesn't count), it means scum were either always vitdraining one living villager and the one they NK'd, OR it's a lie, there's only one vitdrain target, and there's one scum in Boom/HR.
Think everyone is assuming GJ was one who died to vitdrain, but there was no second person who claimed?
its possible since double vit hits gives a lot of info
And Highroller is right, we might have to kill Wisp toDay.
If I'm understanding it correctly, if we misyeet a non-witted target toDay, Wisp will just target Anak because wincon. Plus the NK, that's three dead villagers. If we yeet a witted person and they're town, Wisp leaves the game, and we go into Night potentially 6v4; we only lose if someone with one vit is drained + NK. Best-case scenario is killing a wolf ofc, so we go into Night with 7/1/3, but that will only succeed if people put in the work right now.
I think Anak has to be town here. Given that Az must have been getting a steady supply of vitality from Anak, the only way Anak is scum is if 1) he fooled the **** outta Az and 2) if he could perpetually generate vitality somehow. No way scum are just bleeding out their own life force for a wineplay.
I will say, since claims will be coming out soon I assume, I do have knowledge of a player in this game being able to generate vitality, and if scum have a similar role then it has to be exactly Anak, but then it just goes back to "how badly did Azrael misread Anak" and I want to say that's not the case.
Basically what Vaimes said: I have hard time seeing this level of manipulation from mafia!Anak. If he indeed is mafia, I know who's winning best individual mafia award next year.
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So Bur’s power feels too strong for scum, Cuth’s Vig claim hasn’t been countered and town should have a KP or some kind of Vit drain. Cuth has not been towny, but was that to stay under the radar and duck NK?
@Cuth How long does it take to charge up your shot?
think its just delaying the inevitable honestly
because the PoE that dies is vaimes/Tammy probably, unless we are horribly wrong on tammy
so trying to find the wolves is still overall better
think its just delaying the inevitable honestly
because the PoE that dies is vaimes/Tammy probably, unless we are horribly wrong on tammy
so trying to find the wolves is still overall better
You aren't wrong, but I don't really expect you to be objective about this regardless.
think its just delaying the inevitable honestly
because the PoE that dies is vaimes/Tammy probably, unless we are horribly wrong on tammy
so trying to find the wolves is still overall better
You aren't wrong, but I don't really expect you to be objective about this regardless.
fair Mr Knife DUck
interesting that Highroller has nothing to say after being super wrong
So Bur’s power feels too strong for scum, Cuth’s Vig claim hasn’t been countered and town should have a KP or some kind of Vit drain. Cuth has not been towny, but was that to stay under the radar and duck NK?
@Cuth How long does it take to charge up your shot?
i've said this many times
it takes 2 vit to remove 4 vit from someone
Sorry, I thought you had a way to generate Vit by picking the lynch, and started without enough Vit to shoot.
I think Anak has to be town here. Given that Az must have been getting a steady supply of vitality from Anak, the only way Anak is scum is if 1) he fooled the **** outta Az and 2) if he could perpetually generate vitality somehow. No way scum are just bleeding out their own life force for a wineplay.
I think I'm there too. When he said he still lost Vitality when others Witted him, then his play makes less sense as scum. Why would Iso Wit a townie when all it does is kill him and make the Townie harder to kill.
@Bur: IDK what the prevalence of daychat is nowadays. I don't read other setups, and I don't remember whether or not games I was in had it. I'm guessing there's a lot of it?
I have a theory about that though: This game has a lot of flavorful thematic chat elements. It's possible that Mafia doesn't have traditional daychat. Maybe Skill links between Mafia are free or something.
Having only one mafia target you would certainly be most efficient, but assuming that the mafia acted this way is not a good idea. I would say there are reasons to have multiple people target you. Maybe they didn't actually coordinate who was targeting you.
You're assuming that a group of people acted perfectly mechanically, but humans are prone to error, and sometimes make rash decisions.
I guess I would say there's probably at least one (to get the info) but at most two scum in the group of [People who Skilled you]. While it's possible for people to act rashly, I don't think the entire team would. Rather, I don't think more than half the team would not consider coordinating in that way. Just from a... general competence standpoint. Some people might make a mistake, but not everyone will.
This is only if you're town, obviously. How many scum target you as scum would depend on roles.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
So Bur’s power feels too strong for scum, Cuth’s Vig claim hasn’t been countered and town should have a KP or some kind of Vit drain. Cuth has not been towny, but was that to stay under the radar and duck NK?
@Cuth How long does it take to charge up your shot?
i've said this many times
it takes 2 vit to remove 4 vit from someone
Sorry, I thought you had a way to generate Vit by picking the lynch, and started without enough Vit to shoot.
yes, i started with 2 vit and would gain one if we yeeted the person i picked at SoD
(incidentally, i forgot to submit this phase, but that's pretty immaterial atp)
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
You know what a cool role might be? Free Mafia Skill Enabler. While they are alive, Skill chats between Mafia are free during Day. Obviously at night the regular chat would be in effect.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@KJ: Could you please open up what you are basing your theory on more than just "well, they could have done it/maybe they made a mistake".
I could use that same argument for saying they maybe this game doesn't have a mafia but cult instead and that Az was actually cult leader who flips town, but that wouldn't make really convincing argument.
I don't mind you thinking that there's 1-2 mafia in [Tammy/Wisp/Vaimes/Bessie/Boom], but I want more solid arguments than that.
Anyways,
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@KJ: Could you please open up what you are basing your theory on more than just "well, they could have done it/maybe they made a mistake".
I could use that same argument for saying they maybe this game doesn't have a mafia but cult instead and that Az was actually cult leader who flips town, but that wouldn't make really convincing argument.
I don't mind you thinking that there's 1-2 mafia in [Tammy/Wisp/Vaimes/Bessie/Boom], but I want more solid arguments than that.
Anyways,
You are assuming that fallible, independent humans acted perfectly as a team in this case. Guessing that they might have, sure. Do that, be likely wrong. Assuming that is a bad idea. Basing a worldview around that is similarly bad. Because it's illogical to assume that the whole team were perfectly coordinated.
You saying it's a slippery slope from my argument to yours doesn't follow. My argument doesn't change the whole structure of the game of Mafia. Mine is just "Maybe the mafia chat is more flavorful than just a generic daychat in this game with a lot of chat mechanics."
I'm just not assuming they communicated about it, whereas you are assuming that, and I don't think that's a safe assumption even if the scum have Daychat.
Why do you think "0 to 1" targeted you? Why 0 specifically? You're saying they want to learn your role, but you also think that maybe none of them targeted you? Why?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
interesting that Highroller has nothing to say after being super wrong
Tell you what, go through Azrael's posts and find me the coherent, intelligible arguments that are sensible and have logical basis that are not later contradicted by him later arguing the exact opposite thing at another point in the game.
Anyone know where HR claimed though? I can't find it.
I'll just claim again.
I'm Verity, the King-in-Waiting. I have 4 vitality. My ability is I turn into a dragon. When I'm a dragon, I become really sleepy and can only post once every 24 hours and my vitality becomes 1. Once per phase during my slumber, I can create a skill channel with a player that lasts 2 phases. I can have multiple versions of these chats up. As long as I'm asleep, any of the people I'm in chat link with cannot have their abilities blocked, redirected, or prevented.
My ability blows, which is why I've never used it.
v/la for a couple days I don't feel good, which might be anxiety, but I really can't concentrate right now. Read the day opening, and literally don't remember much of it except we're massclaiming, which i"m fine with.
I'm good to claim whenever.
(boom since you claim you're good at picking up crumbs or tells, we'll see if you picked up mine.)
I think Anak has to be town here. Given that Az must have been getting a steady supply of vitality from Anak, the only way Anak is scum is if 1) he fooled the **** outta Az and 2) if he could perpetually generate vitality somehow. No way scum are just bleeding out their own life force for a wineplay.
Do you have confirmation that Azreal was receiving vitality?
v/la for a couple days I don't feel good, which might be anxiety, but I really can't concentrate right now. Read the day opening, and literally don't remember much of it except we're massclaiming, which i"m fine with.
I'm good to claim whenever.
(boom since you claim you're good at picking up crumbs or tells, we'll see if you picked up mine.)
Oh Bur's recount of our chat is correct.
Lol, yeah, the fact that you think it's guessable confirms my suspicions.
Maybe GJ isn't a wolf, and it's just highroller, since that post howlssss. Keeping my vote, I didn't shade anyone also
I take 1 vit from people I don't need to target and 3 from people I do, it still requires in worlds of 7 starting vit, 3 days phases to kill someone by myself. Actually 3 day phases to set up and a night phase to off them
Do you target people during the Day and during the Night and take 1/3 vitality each time?
I can only give a charm once a day, it takes 1 vitality for me to use
At night I can remove the charm from everyone that has one (by again using 1 Vit), taking 1 Vit from someone that's not my target, and 3 Vit for a person that is my target, and I heal Vit for that amount (because my role would be useless otherwise)
Anyone that has a charm, every day, I know when they send a private message to someone for the first time
Gonna be really bummed if Az tried to come back and rolled wolf for a third game in a row and that's why he hasn't posted
Whisper should claim his wincon on threat of being the default exile, on the presumption that he's actually just a serial killer
my wincon is kill 3 of 5 people, via being on their train and/or my ability, my ability does very little too people who aren't my target, so u don't have to worry me killing literally anyone, and I don't kill, I just take vitality
I am not a serial killer, I would certainly not be able to achieve my win-con by claiming
Anyone know where HR claimed though? I can't find it.
I'll just claim again.
I'm Verity, the King-in-Waiting. I have 4 vitality. My ability is I turn into a dragon. When I'm a dragon, I become really sleepy and can only post once every 24 hours and my vitality becomes 1. Once per phase during my slumber, I can create a skill channel with a player that lasts 2 phases. I can have multiple versions of these chats up. As long as I'm asleep, any of the people I'm in chat link with cannot have their abilities blocked, redirected, or prevented.
My ability blows, which is why I've never used it.
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I thought I just caught Sloth slipping, but apparently not, thanks to Vaimes
Anyways, I guess it's time for me to spill the beans:
I'm Nettle, Town Skill Master.
The ability that I teased yesterday is that I turn any Skill chat that targets me (but not other way round) into a regular neighborhood.
I was targeted yesterday by Tammy (day start), Wisp (after I targeted him with Skill), Vaimes (after I mentioned that my role can be mod-confirmed), Bessie (soon after Vaimes) and Boom (~48h before day end)
I also targeted Cantrip yesterday with my Skill, hoping that he'd be more active that way, but that didn't seem to work.
Anyways, yes, I can confirm what Vaimes said about claiming vig.
Bessie didn't talk that much, only mentioned that they scum read Az/Anak, suspect Vaimes and think Cuth is neutral. They claimed that they opened the chat since they were curious.
Boom didn't say why they targeted me, only that they guessed what my ability does. They said they were saving their skill for coordinating the double yeet with possibly Az. And asked me for my "real reads" after I said in the thread I want Az dead towards the end of Day.
The chat with Wisp boils down to "wait, I thought you were wolf" and then us talking about reads. I can write some summary of you want, but I'm not currently spending much time on Wisp since I'm relatively sure he's neutral.
Vaimes spent some time on asking me to explain to him why I'm town, talking to me about his reads. Now that I actually reread the chat, he mentioned early on that Cuth skilled him (and later said that vig skilled him), so that checks out.
Tammy: I actually skilled Tammy N2 and claimed my role to them back then. She said that she targeted me since we got free chats D3. We talked a lot about reads, mainly revolving around Az/Anak. Then bit setup speculation, talked about the mass claim idea. Tammy actually thought at one point that Az TMI'd my role. Tammy then revealed to me some secrets about town protective/doctor(?) and then asked me about my read on Bessie.
I mentioned this to Tammy towards the end of Day, but I think there's 0-1 scum in the people who targeted me yesterday with Skill.
Me claiming that my role becomes mod-confirmed to those who target me with skill seems pretty tempting offer, but I don't think more than one scum would use their skill to check what my ability is, since they can obviously just share it with their mafia buddies.
So, [Tammy, Wisp, Vaimes, Bessie and Boom], out of which I should probably eye Bessie and Boom, maybe Vaimes.
Obviously ignore this if you have some good, concrete evidence that mafia has no means of communication to each other during the day. I just feel that most of the time these days mafia either has unlimited daychat or daychat enabler.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
So Bur’s power feels too strong for scum, Cuth’s Vig claim hasn’t been countered and town should have a KP or some kind of Vit drain. Cuth has not been towny, but was that to stay under the radar and duck NK?
@Cuth How long does it take to charge up your shot?
i've said this many times
it takes 2 vit to remove 4 vit from someone
Sorry, I thought you had a way to generate Vit by picking the lynch, and started without enough Vit to shoot.
yes, i started with 2 vit and would gain one if we yeeted the person i picked at SoD
(incidentally, i forgot to submit this phase, but that's pretty immaterial atp)
Respectfully, why didn’t you do more to try and get your shot online? Who did you pick other than Boom and when?
so unless both Highroller and Cuth are wolves, Highroller's ability is a red herring, or wolves have been hiding their roleblocks within their KP for god knows what reasons
Cuth is probably not a wolf? unless the team is exactly Cuth/Highroller, and that again means they have been either hiding their roleblock, or hitting people that weren't committing actions?
Thanks for coming to my ted talk
TLDR: Highroller and Cuth are wolves together, or not wolves at all
Boom/Highroller apparently both lost Vit? how?
my guess, is that maybeeeeeeeeeee their KP which is guaranteed based on the OP to actually take vit, is able to be split?? else again I have to believe wolves are hiding abilities in dead people, or Boom completely made this up, and is just a wolf, which ya still a possibility. Boom kinda feels good with his posts today.
Vaimes/Tammy town, we just lose to that anyways at this point
/shrug
Anak's ability probably points to town? or we can assume that Azreal got completely snowed by him, because from his reactions its clear that Anak's ability is real, or he is a wolf vit giver, that just gave Azreal vit over and over to sell his story
Bur's ability is probably real? which leaves this PoE?
so like something isn't right here unless Bur or Boom is a wolf? both fit the the bill for the VT that could be producing the NK
ooooor it is a combination of Cuth/Highroller/x/x, filling them out with the people below
Tubba Fett
Slothful
Bessie
Tubba has claimed already from what I remember, but Sloth and Bessie need to claim
someone review that and tell me if any of my mechanical assumptions are bogus or not
kinda forgot to talk about killjoy, but like at this point, I don't care much for re-evaluating the slot, unless someone else wants to
I have very little reason to believe they are a wolf, and if they are then they fooled me
I’m Nighteyes Town Wit Companion. I can spend 2 vitality to open a second wit pairing, and can transfer the messages I receive to anyone I’m witted with in addition to my own message. I targeted Johnny N1 and asked who he thought I should link. He wasn’t sure, suggested Iso or Tammy. After I threw my hands up when he was just going to shrug vote me, I didn’t really care anymore but when I noticed I was still alive, I picked Sloth because he wanted Az more than me and no offence to Tammy or Anak, but I’m pretty sure I think Tammy is town and Iso wasn’t towny to me and Anak is tainted by that still.
Also when I quote it doesn't grab the whole post for some reason. Weird. I blame Curse
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I'm back.
Ok, stepping away helped. I'm no longer annoyed at everything and I'm ready to try again.
I apologize if yesterday I was biting people's heads off.
I skimmed what I missed and I'm gonna answer to a few things that popped up to me.
In the meantime, I'm Etta, Town Consort.
My ability is Queen's Protection. At Night, I can choose a player and spend 1 vit to protect them. If they get hit, they survive, and I lose an additional 1 vit. As a result, I have what I think is a fair amount of vit, though obviously not as much as before.
Thus far, none of my targets have been hit...yay.
@tammy will confirm when she's available, she already knows the details of my ability, as well as my targets.
Something else I should bring up: One of the players taking vit at Night is town. I will not be explaining further at this time.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Sloth
maybe Az's claim wouldn't be town firm for Azreal, but Anak's would be for Azreal if he believed it
and wolf!Iso chooses to give consistent VT to one of the players that could possibly destroy him?
I mean from the way Az was handling Anak, its very clear that Anak was giving him vit, like that should be without a doubt here
like you shouldn't really even be questioning that
Right, this is one of the problems with me just vomiting out a spiel of stream of consciousness thoughts. You're correct on this.
This is how I see it, however:
If Anak's role is true and he did target Azrael with it, then yeah, 100% he's town. No scum would use that ability on town even if they had it.
So yes, Az being hit by this would be enough for him to assume Anak's town and leave it be. I'm just not sure that's what happened.
(As an aside, note that none of the above is reason for Anak to assume Az's town, as he himself has brought up.)
Why didn't Anak claim his role while Az was alive to confirm it? Why didn't Az out Anak in an effort to at least raise some doubt that he was scum and maybe encourage us to choose a yeet outside of the two of them?
From both of their perspective, with Az dead, Anak is essentially useless and harmless - a narrative that Anak is very much pushing today. Meanwhile Az was out BP that through sheer convenience had been made superpowered by Iso from D1. I already brought if what Anak says it's true, outside of a yeet, Az was likely never dying. Not outing Anak at the cost of yeeting Az is simply not a ******* thing.
Even after he was officially yeeted, Az was still around long enough to make a couple of posts before Day ended. At no point in those posts did he think to essentially clear Anak? Why the hell wouldn't he? If he had, Anak is never getting yeet. Scum would be forced to NK him, a harmless player, instead of a potentially stronger PR because otherwise they would be keeping a townfirmed player in the game which never looks good for them.
That doesn't make sense to me. Why does it make sense to you all?
Ftr, super don't buy into the idea of "anak couldn't have fooled az any day." That's lazy thinking. Az was already wrong on GJ, and spent a great deal of early game calling me scum without explanation. He's already been wrong.
Anak and Az's certainty on one another was bizarre as hell yesterDay and now that we have both their claims, it's even more unwarranted: Neither of these claims should have confirmed the other for themselves, something that Anak makes a note of when explaining why he didn't claim yesterDay.
Az is also not an idiot. Why wouldn't he claim Anak's role to town when it was looking like there was no other way to save himself? He may have been potentially unkillable if I'm understanding the combination of both his role and Anak's, outside of the yeet, yet he didn't bring it up? What the hell?
Like, Az himself had already claimed by this point, so there was no reason to not have Anak claim or out him.
In a scum!Anak world, this could point to his role being made up, now that Az is not here to call him out on it.
Why? Not sure, but seriously don't just discard it.
Bolded doesn't fit with the rest of what you are saying. Anak's claimed power absolutely would have been strong evidence for Az.
I'm not sure what you mean by doesn't fit, but by "confirmed" I meant alignment-wise.
Anak's power would have confirmed his alignment to Azreal right? So what did the bolded mean?
i would be floored if she flips w after the interaction with az yesterday
You are not answering my question. Also, when's the last time we've had a game here at MTGS without day chat/day chat enabler?
@Cuth How long does it take to charge up your shot?
Hate this game.
Think everyone is assuming GJ was one who died to vitdrain, but there was no second person who claimed?
If I'm understanding it correctly, if we misyeet a non-witted target toDay, Wisp will just target Anak because wincon. Plus the NK, that's three dead villagers. If we yeet a witted person and they're town, Wisp leaves the game, and we go into Night potentially 6v4; we only lose if someone with one vit is drained + NK. Best-case scenario is killing a wolf ofc, so we go into Night with 7/1/3, but that will only succeed if people put in the work right now.
i've said this many times
it takes 2 vit to remove 4 vit from someone
because the PoE that dies is vaimes/Tammy probably, unless we are horribly wrong on tammy
so trying to find the wolves is still overall better
interesting that Highroller has nothing to say after being super wrong
Sorry, I thought you had a way to generate Vit by picking the lynch, and started without enough Vit to shoot.
@Bur: IDK what the prevalence of daychat is nowadays. I don't read other setups, and I don't remember whether or not games I was in had it. I'm guessing there's a lot of it?
I have a theory about that though: This game has a lot of flavorful thematic chat elements. It's possible that Mafia doesn't have traditional daychat. Maybe Skill links between Mafia are free or something.
Having only one mafia target you would certainly be most efficient, but assuming that the mafia acted this way is not a good idea. I would say there are reasons to have multiple people target you. Maybe they didn't actually coordinate who was targeting you.
You're assuming that a group of people acted perfectly mechanically, but humans are prone to error, and sometimes make rash decisions.
I guess I would say there's probably at least one (to get the info) but at most two scum in the group of [People who Skilled you]. While it's possible for people to act rashly, I don't think the entire team would. Rather, I don't think more than half the team would not consider coordinating in that way. Just from a... general competence standpoint. Some people might make a mistake, but not everyone will.
This is only if you're town, obviously. How many scum target you as scum would depend on roles.
yes, i started with 2 vit and would gain one if we yeeted the person i picked at SoD
(incidentally, i forgot to submit this phase, but that's pretty immaterial atp)
Ideally Tammy would do this because she knows the Doctor and if true, they should not claim first.
But I'll do my best.
We have claims from:
Boom
Cuth
Bur
Anak
Wisp
A good order would be:
Tubba
Bessie
Sloth
Vaimes/Me/Tammy in any order
I think.
bessie and Sloth should claim next. If one of them is the doctor, lol.
i have a bird brain
HR claimed though I think so it doesn't matter
I could use that same argument for saying they maybe this game doesn't have a mafia but cult instead and that Az was actually cult leader who flips town, but that wouldn't make really convincing argument.
I don't mind you thinking that there's 1-2 mafia in [Tammy/Wisp/Vaimes/Bessie/Boom], but I want more solid arguments than that.
Anyways,
Anyways, I need to head to bed. I have some more stuff to claim if we massclaim (like my skill usage), but I can do that some other point.
You saying it's a slippery slope from my argument to yours doesn't follow. My argument doesn't change the whole structure of the game of Mafia. Mine is just "Maybe the mafia chat is more flavorful than just a generic daychat in this game with a lot of chat mechanics."
I'm just not assuming they communicated about it, whereas you are assuming that, and I don't think that's a safe assumption even if the scum have Daychat.
Why do you think "0 to 1" targeted you? Why 0 specifically? You're saying they want to learn your role, but you also think that maybe none of them targeted you? Why?
I'll wait.
I'll just claim again.
I'm Verity, the King-in-Waiting. I have 4 vitality. My ability is I turn into a dragon. When I'm a dragon, I become really sleepy and can only post once every 24 hours and my vitality becomes 1. Once per phase during my slumber, I can create a skill channel with a player that lasts 2 phases. I can have multiple versions of these chats up. As long as I'm asleep, any of the people I'm in chat link with cannot have their abilities blocked, redirected, or prevented.
My ability blows, which is why I've never used it.
******* thank you!
I'm good to claim whenever.
(boom since you claim you're good at picking up crumbs or tells, we'll see if you picked up mine.)
Oh Bur's recount of our chat is correct.
Roles:
I'm Verity, the King-in-Waiting. I have 4 vitality. My ability is I turn into a dragon. When I'm a dragon, I become really sleepy and can only post once every 24 hours and my vitality becomes 1. Once per phase during my slumber, I can create a skill channel with a player that lasts 2 phases. I can have multiple versions of these chats up. As long as I'm asleep, any of the people I'm in chat link with cannot have their abilities blocked, redirected, or prevented.
My ability blows, which is why I've never used it.
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Respectfully, why didn’t you do more to try and get your shot online? Who did you pick other than Boom and when?
Cuth is probably not a wolf? unless the team is exactly Cuth/Highroller, and that again means they have been either hiding their roleblock, or hitting people that weren't committing actions?
Thanks for coming to my ted talk
TLDR: Highroller and Cuth are wolves together, or not wolves at all
Boom/Highroller apparently both lost Vit? how?
my guess, is that maybeeeeeeeeeee their KP which is guaranteed based on the OP to actually take vit, is able to be split?? else again I have to believe wolves are hiding abilities in dead people, or Boom completely made this up, and is just a wolf, which ya still a possibility. Boom kinda feels good with his posts today.
Vaimes/Tammy town, we just lose to that anyways at this point
/shrug
Anak's ability probably points to town? or we can assume that Azreal got completely snowed by him, because from his reactions its clear that Anak's ability is real, or he is a wolf vit giver, that just gave Azreal vit over and over to sell his story
Bur's ability is probably real? which leaves this PoE?
so like something isn't right here unless Bur or Boom is a wolf? both fit the the bill for the VT that could be producing the NK
ooooor it is a combination of Cuth/Highroller/x/x, filling them out with the people below
Tubba Fett
Slothful
Bessie
Tubba has claimed already from what I remember, but Sloth and Bessie need to claim
kinda forgot to talk about killjoy, but like at this point, I don't care much for re-evaluating the slot, unless someone else wants to
I have very little reason to believe they are a wolf, and if they are then they fooled me
Also when I quote it doesn't grab the whole post for some reason. Weird. I blame Curse
Curse still sucks.
Ok, stepping away helped. I'm no longer annoyed at everything and I'm ready to try again.
I apologize if yesterday I was biting people's heads off.
I skimmed what I missed and I'm gonna answer to a few things that popped up to me.
In the meantime, I'm Etta, Town Consort.
My ability is Queen's Protection. At Night, I can choose a player and spend 1 vit to protect them. If they get hit, they survive, and I lose an additional 1 vit. As a result, I have what I think is a fair amount of vit, though obviously not as much as before.
Thus far, none of my targets have been hit...yay.
@tammy will confirm when she's available, she already knows the details of my ability, as well as my targets.
Something else I should bring up: One of the players taking vit at Night is town. I will not be explaining further at this time.
This is how I see it, however:
Ftr, super don't buy into the idea of "anak couldn't have fooled az any day." That's lazy thinking. Az was already wrong on GJ, and spent a great deal of early game calling me scum without explanation. He's already been wrong.
Yeah, again, read above - sorry.