KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
oh yes that's also part of why i want to kill sloth
he's trying to get you dead and that's a dumb idea at this point in the game
well lets look at the player count
7/1/4
killing me, makes 7/4, one dies, assuming boom dies, you get
5/4, so its lylo?
ohh ya, if we don't kill a wolf, the game will be in a perpetual lylo, that I don't think town wins, tbh
at least in the worst case, killing me still puts town in perpetual lylo
if we yeet town, and Anak isn't a wolf, the game will end when I kill Anak
if Anak is a wolf, we will be 6/4, or at least y'all will
I feel like that's ambiguous.
To be more clear: Did you ever say why you wanted specifically to be a part of the yeet on Boom, whereas Wisp would not be.
and the second one is that wisp tells us who he targeted before we maj
something something subtext
Wait, I assumed the reason you wanted a yeet instead of Wisp's ability was because if he uses it, you lose vit as well, but this post suggests that that's not the case and you still want Wisp to hit someone, just not Boom.
So why is that?
no i mean it's not fair to wisp to say he shouldn't use his ability tonight
he can go for a witted or whatever, i expect to lose one vitality
but i want a yeet on boom instead of him doing it for other reasons
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Anak and Az's certainty on one another was bizarre as hell yesterDay and now that we have both their claims, it's even more unwarranted: Neither of these claims should have confirmed the other for themselves, something that Anak makes a note of when explaining why he didn't claim yesterDay.
Az is also not an idiot. Why wouldn't he claim Anak's role to town when it was looking like there was no other way to save himself? He may have been potentially unkillable if I'm understanding the combination of both his role and Anak's, outside of the yeet, yet he didn't bring it up? What the hell?
Like, Az himself had already claimed by this point, so there was no reason to not have Anak claim or out him.
In a scum!Anak world, this could point to his role being made up, now that Az is not here to call him out on it.
Why? Not sure, but seriously don't just discard it.
Bolded doesn't fit with the rest of what you are saying. Anak's claimed power absolutely would have been strong evidence for Az.
Hey Cuth,now that your role is out, did you specify why you originally claimed you wanted to yeet boom instead of Wisp?
Also woot 9000 posts.
Since when is there a Title for 9k posts? I've never seen anyone use it.
unrelated? i picked boom because he was squarely in the poe after d1 and softed so that if there wasn't a good reason to clear him we could yeet him and i could get a shot off n2 without being more explicit
i've been actively against a wisp yeet all game because i think his 3p claim is fair and that he's trying to town-side while fulfilling his objective
[quote=Sloth]Az is also not an idiot.[/b]
uhhm we pretty much yeeted him for playing awkwardly, so like I said before, I could see it
especially given how ambitious he has been almost the entirety of this game
I feel like that's ambiguous.
To be more clear: Did you ever say why you wanted specifically to be a part of the yeet on Boom, whereas Wisp would not be.
this had to do with whether we should yeet boom or let wisp target and kill him overnight and us yeet another person
i was advocating for yeet targeting a witted poe person and us yeeting the person that would allow me to get a shot off instead of yeeting someone else and making wisp kill boom
also: @wisp i absolutely could have shot n2 actually; i had 3 vit before you drained, so i would have died but technically been able to make the shot (assuming that the shot processes before the drain)
Tammy would also have to be playing the best scumgame of her life.
Bur has no agenda but made a couple of insightful points when I talked to him.
KJ is KJ. Maybe he's slipping through the cracks? Like of these three players, I'd probably pick him for scum first, but only just barely and not with any sort of confidence.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Tammy would also have to be playing the best scumgame of her life.
Bur has no agenda but made a couple of insightful points when I talked to him.
KJ is KJ. Maybe he's slipping through the cracks? Like of these three players, I'd probably pick him for scum first, but only just barely and not with any sort of confidence.
I've never noted Bur to have an agenda in general. That might not be a tell for him.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Yeah Cuth could you give a little dive on your Sloth read? I want to see how it lines up with Azrael's.
it'll take a lot more work than i'm ready to do today to delve into
but the main points i'd level against him are
blatant wolf-siding in reads and behaviors and agenda-driven interactions (see: how he's talked with me and how he pushed for the people he was voting for yesterday)
i don't think sloth has, like, an accuracy tell or anything
but it doesn't feel organic at all
and beyond just a baseline that takes into account how slow this game has been
i don't have an opinion on bur, but kj has been breathing life into the game and trying to work with people, myself included, when it's altogether not necessary
also can you explain exactly how you vaguely mentioned it, to the class?
Paraphrasing, I said, "I trust you, the vig claimed to me but they're not active in the skill chat."
Wait - Cuth skilled you? When?
Actually, guys is this a good time to claim who has skilled you so far this game?
And if not, at the very least this: @ALL Did Cuth skill you this game at any point? If so, when? (answer even if done during d3)
why wouldn't any wolf RB me after i've been pretty obviously teasing a vig shot for the last two phases and explicitly said i was going to be able to use the ability last night
Can you show me these claims?
And, oh yeah, why the hell would you shoot me??
read my posts from the last two phases
and because you voted villagers and have a terrible poe and are pushing a wolf-sided agenda mostly
What makes my POE terrible?
Also **** off with that wolf-sided agenda vague bs. Be specific. Give actual arguments and examples.
killing me, makes 7/4, one dies, assuming boom dies, you get
5/4, so its lylo?
ohh ya, if we don't kill a wolf, the game will be in a perpetual lylo, that I don't think town wins, tbh
at least in the worst case, killing me still puts town in perpetual lylo
if we yeet town, and Anak isn't a wolf, the game will end when I kill Anak
if Anak is a wolf, we will be 6/4, or at least y'all will
Sigh.
So given this correct scenario, why shouldn't you be the kill toDay?
Like, seriously.
Anak and Az's certainty on one another was bizarre as hell yesterDay and now that we have both their claims, it's even more unwarranted: Neither of these claims should have confirmed the other for themselves, something that Anak makes a note of when explaining why he didn't claim yesterDay.
Az is also not an idiot. Why wouldn't he claim Anak's role to town when it was looking like there was no other way to save himself? He may have been potentially unkillable if I'm understanding the combination of both his role and Anak's, outside of the yeet, yet he didn't bring it up? What the hell?
Like, Az himself had already claimed by this point, so there was no reason to not have Anak claim or out him.
In a scum!Anak world, this could point to his role being made up, now that Az is not here to call him out on it.
Why? Not sure, but seriously don't just discard it.
Bolded doesn't fit with the rest of what you are saying. Anak's claimed power absolutely would have been strong evidence for Az.
I'm not sure what you mean by doesn't fit, but by "confirmed" I meant alignment-wise.
killing me, makes 7/4, one dies, assuming boom dies, you get
5/4, so its lylo?
ohh ya, if we don't kill a wolf, the game will be in a perpetual lylo, that I don't think town wins, tbh
at least in the worst case, killing me still puts town in perpetual lylo
if we yeet town, and Anak isn't a wolf, the game will end when I kill Anak
if Anak is a wolf, we will be 6/4, or at least y'all will
Sigh.
So given this correct scenario, why shouldn't you be the kill toDay?
Like, seriously.
if y'all make it to lylo/mylo, you are not winning this game either way
killing me, makes 7/4, one dies, assuming boom dies, you get
5/4, so its lylo?
ohh ya, if we don't kill a wolf, the game will be in a perpetual lylo, that I don't think town wins, tbh
at least in the worst case, killing me still puts town in perpetual lylo
if we yeet town, and Anak isn't a wolf, the game will end when I kill Anak
if Anak is a wolf, we will be 6/4, or at least y'all will
Sigh.
So given this correct scenario, why shouldn't you be the kill toDay?
Like, seriously.
actually stratch that, every scenario leads to mylo/lylo
unless we kill a wolf, and Anak is also a wolf, and/or I do not kill him, but the latter isn't a world that is happening
if he is town, I will 100% blame him and Azreal, for keeping this stuff in their chats, and not bring it here for us to see
@Anak
its also wild to me, that you don't claim something when Azreal is alive, when you can both confirm it, and mechanically it looks so good
meaning I probably hit Tubba in that world. So you making a joke at this time is just so frustrating to me. Like we have been getting dunked on, and you keep telling us how Azreal is town, and neither of you have been efficiently using or telling us the information you had
like wtf man
so again I go back to the statement, "are y'all trolling"
@Sloth
maybe Az's claim wouldn't be town firm for Azreal, but Anak's would be for Azreal if he believed it
and wolf!Iso chooses to give consistent VT to one of the players that could possibly destroy him?
I mean from the way Az was handling Anak, its very clear that Anak was giving him vit, like that should be without a doubt here
like you shouldn't really even be questioning that
I really just want to solve this game, even if I lose, but like Highroller needs to not death tunnel me today, or I will completely lose my focus
HR should be happy as **** to let you and me trade off tonight considering he has me as one of his top scum reads.
If Tammy is a wolf I will be...unhappy. Doubt it though, scum are letting her exist as woefully incorrect town to this point.
I still really don't see what's making people give But any townreads. KJ I sort of get but But isn't clear at all yet.
@Sloth We need to yeet scum today. Trading me off for Wisp is fine enough considering the circumstances, town can afford 1 for 1 trades still. Especially because I can't do ***** all anymore, my role isn't some power role that needs to live at all costs.
Yeah Cuth could you give a little dive on your Sloth read? I want to see how it lines up with Azrael's.
it'll take a lot more work than i'm ready to do today to delve into
but the main points i'd level against him are
blatant wolf-siding in reads and behaviors and agenda-driven interactions (see: how he's talked with me and how he pushed for the people he was voting for yesterday)
i don't think sloth has, like, an accuracy tell or anything
but it doesn't feel organic at all
and beyond just a baseline that takes into account how slow this game has been
i don't have an opinion on bur, but kj has been breathing life into the game and trying to work with people, myself included, when it's altogether not necessary
so i'm inclined to follow you a bit there
What do you mean "wolf siding in reads"? You seem to be implying he knows who the wolves are? If so, back that up a bit?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Your list in 2612 was Highroller, Sloth, Cuth, Tubba, LastWhisper, Tammy, KJ, but you voted Highroller and Bur. Was it literally just Bur's vote that tipped you over?
I need to rethink a bunch of stuff, because the Az wagon has too many town unless it's exactly Bur and Bessie.
My apologies KJ.
Yeah Burs vote was completely terrible, and they were one I thought had a slim chance of having a wagon built against them given the time. Does that help?
I kinda don’t think BoomFrog would consider me as one of the best players from our home site, which is why the comment stood out to me. But anyway, what I was trying to imply was that if BoomFrog said that about me, it was in a private chat, not in the thread.
...wait what? You think you caught him at a private chat (which would either be skill, and I don't see why they would, or mafiachat) and you're not pressing on it?
how exactly do you read this, as being caught?
and I don't even understand what Bessie is saying here?
@Anak
why didn't you claim yesterday..................
it would have been better for you regardless of your alignment
it just feels so stupid to me
Because people already thought we were scum together, so what was it gonna accomplish? It wasn't going to turn anything around for Az because nothing on that wagon was logical. Like obviously if I thought my claim would have saved Az at any point I would have done so.
Like you already knew we were Witted all game, does me giving him vitality instantly make us both town to everyone? Nobody listened to As anyway, they weren't gonna buy us townfirming each other
I really just want to solve this game, even if I lose, but like Highroller needs to not death tunnel me today, or I will completely lose my focus
HR should be happy as **** to let you and me trade off tonight considering he has me as one of his top scum reads.
If Tammy is a wolf I will be...unhappy. Doubt it though, scum are letting her exist as woefully incorrect town to this point.
I still really don't see what's making people give But any townreads. KJ I sort of get but But isn't clear at all yet.
@Sloth We need to yeet scum today. Trading me off for Wisp is fine enough considering the circumstances, town can afford 1 for 1 trades still. Especially because I can't do ***** all anymore, my role isn't some power role that needs to live at all costs.
...Anak. At the end of the last Day, you made a list of possible yeets, and those didn't include Bur. Bur you eventually voted Bur following one interaction with him. Can you explain that please?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
why is this game so hard
I will be irked
or vaimes, or tammy
i'm fully committed there
oh yes that's also part of why i want to kill sloth
he's trying to get you dead and that's a dumb idea at this point in the game
Anaklusmos
Bur
Slothful
Bessie
Cuth
removing boom because he should self-evaluate
that's my PoE, I don't feel like re-evaluating Killjoy, if someone else wants to
Also woot 9000 posts.
Since when is there a Title for 9k posts? I've never seen anyone use it.
7/1/4
killing me, makes 7/4, one dies, assuming boom dies, you get
5/4, so its lylo?
ohh ya, if we don't kill a wolf, the game will be in a perpetual lylo, that I don't think town wins, tbh
at least in the worst case, killing me still puts town in perpetual lylo
if we yeet town, and Anak isn't a wolf, the game will end when I kill Anak
if Anak is a wolf, we will be 6/4, or at least y'all will
To be more clear: Did you ever say why you wanted specifically to be a part of the yeet on Boom, whereas Wisp would not be.
Quote for reference:
uhhm can you try to explain your case on Sloth? other than him trying to yeet me which is bad in your opinion
unrelated? i picked boom because he was squarely in the poe after d1 and softed so that if there wasn't a good reason to clear him we could yeet him and i could get a shot off n2 without being more explicit
i've been actively against a wisp yeet all game because i think his 3p claim is fair and that he's trying to town-side while fulfilling his objective
uhhm we pretty much yeeted him for playing awkwardly, so like I said before, I could see it
especially given how ambitious he has been almost the entirety of this game
this had to do with whether we should yeet boom or let wisp target and kill him overnight and us yeet another person
i was advocating for yeet targeting a witted poe person and us yeeting the person that would allow me to get a shot off instead of yeeting someone else and making wisp kill boom
also: @wisp i absolutely could have shot n2 actually; i had 3 vit before you drained, so i would have died but technically been able to make the shot (assuming that the shot processes before the drain)
People I lose to are Wisp (only if he's fakeclaiming and playing the best scumgame of his life), Tammy, KJ, and Bur.
I am pretty sure it would in that case, aka you would have gotten the shot off, and died
Bur has no agenda but made a couple of insightful points when I talked to him.
KJ is KJ. Maybe he's slipping through the cracks? Like of these three players, I'd probably pick him for scum first, but only just barely and not with any sort of confidence.
it'll take a lot more work than i'm ready to do today to delve into
but the main points i'd level against him are
blatant wolf-siding in reads and behaviors and agenda-driven interactions (see: how he's talked with me and how he pushed for the people he was voting for yesterday)
i don't think sloth has, like, an accuracy tell or anything
but it doesn't feel organic at all
and beyond just a baseline that takes into account how slow this game has been
i don't have an opinion on bur, but kj has been breathing life into the game and trying to work with people, myself included, when it's altogether not necessary
so i'm inclined to follow you a bit there
Also do you suspect bur or what?
....and yet you don't suspect bur?
Actually, guys is this a good time to claim who has skilled you so far this game?
And if not, at the very least this: @ALL Did Cuth skill you this game at any point? If so, when? (answer even if done during d3)
Also **** off with that wolf-sided agenda vague bs. Be specific. Give actual arguments and examples.
Who did you target D1?
So given this correct scenario, why shouldn't you be the kill toDay?
Like, seriously.
that alone is a big point against you in my book in terms of your solving
doesn't matter
why should he be?
unless we kill a wolf, and Anak is also a wolf, and/or I do not kill him, but the latter isn't a world that is happening
if he is town, I will 100% blame him and Azreal, for keeping this stuff in their chats, and not bring it here for us to see
@Anak
its also wild to me, that you don't claim something when Azreal is alive, when you can both confirm it, and mechanically it looks so good
meaning I probably hit Tubba in that world. So you making a joke at this time is just so frustrating to me. Like we have been getting dunked on, and you keep telling us how Azreal is town, and neither of you have been efficiently using or telling us the information you had
like wtf man
so again I go back to the statement, "are y'all trolling"
how much vit did you start with?
maybe Az's claim wouldn't be town firm for Azreal, but Anak's would be for Azreal if he believed it
and wolf!Iso chooses to give consistent VT to one of the players that could possibly destroy him?
I mean from the way Az was handling Anak, its very clear that Anak was giving him vit, like that should be without a doubt here
like you shouldn't really even be questioning that
HR should be happy as **** to let you and me trade off tonight considering he has me as one of his top scum reads.
If Tammy is a wolf I will be...unhappy. Doubt it though, scum are letting her exist as woefully incorrect town to this point.
I still really don't see what's making people give But any townreads. KJ I sort of get but But isn't clear at all yet.
@Sloth We need to yeet scum today. Trading me off for Wisp is fine enough considering the circumstances, town can afford 1 for 1 trades still. Especially because I can't do ***** all anymore, my role isn't some power role that needs to live at all costs.
why didn't you claim yesterday..................
it would have been better for you regardless of your alignment
it just feels so stupid to me
My apologies KJ.
Yeah Burs vote was completely terrible, and they were one I thought had a slim chance of having a wagon built against them given the time. Does that help?
and I don't even understand what Bessie is saying here?
This is a wolf post btw
Vote Cuth
Because people already thought we were scum together, so what was it gonna accomplish? It wasn't going to turn anything around for Az because nothing on that wagon was logical. Like obviously if I thought my claim would have saved Az at any point I would have done so.
Like you already knew we were Witted all game, does me giving him vitality instantly make us both town to everyone? Nobody listened to As anyway, they weren't gonna buy us townfirming each other
She's been doing the scums job for them pretty well so far?