Sorry, I misread a post of LastWhisper's from earlier in which he explains that the witted all have the ability to establish permanent, limited communications. CropCircles did exactly that with me, which I believe means he's one of the Witted.
Also, NOT controlling who LW shoots at is EXTREMELY loose play here. If you're letting an anti-town neutral fire without instructions, that's super bad.
Rofl at the idea of controlling LW. What leverage do you have on him? I think he's 1/3 of the way toward winning already and it's not like anyone's actually going to lynch him.
Hmm. I wonder if we can do some kind of non-crypto-claim encoding of roles via skill.
Like, full-claiming, but with code names. Where people partner up, claim their buddies' role for them, but don't indicate who that is. If there's roles that synergize and could become more valuable through coordination, that could be interesting. But we'd need to somehow set up a system where most if not all of the players are exchanging info, but without identifying that publicly. I guess you could random.org and hope for the best, or assign people to select from a pool.
This depends on setup variables that are unknown to me though.
Hey, Az? Did you miss the part in which usage of The Skill costs vitality, and therefore your plan weakens the entire town?
Also, your plan is that we all roleclaim, but only to one person, and even then only as a codename, which is ridiculous for two reasons:
1. Grapefruit tells you who is PMing you, and
2. Even if he didn't, what the hell use is it to mass claim when nobody knows who the hell you are?
So you decided to mass roleclaim without any of the benefits of an actual mass roleclaim?
What were you thinking would be the benefit of this?
I can't even read Sloth's post without feel ling I am talking to a wall who already made his mind up and twisting intentions to fit his narrative.
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GJ throwing shade on Vaimes and conveniently ignoring the obvious alternative in his “1 or 2 things” argument is bs. Like, you can only not think of that alternative if you’re purposefully ignoring to come from a malicious place – Wisp calls him on it literally within minutes, it was not a hard conclusion.
Why would town want to keep him around just to waste his ability? The town argument to not kill Wisp is he is useful for narrowing PoE, not shooting into FPSing townies.
Everyone else is town to varying degrees - most of them by POE and with cuth, WMU and...Iso, I think, being the weakest.
Imagine thinking Iso is the closest townie to null after he delivered CC on a silver platter. Iso is NEVER a wolf on a cc wolf flip.
• GJ trying to prove to everyone that Boomfrog has read the game in 1117, 1120, and 1121 and ends up showing that they actually haven’t is kind of hilarious.
I don't think I need to even go into how backwards you got it.
@highroller, pretend wisp isn't going to die and wash your hands of a potential town **** up. Who are the other wolves?
I can't even read Sloth's post without feel ling I am talking to a wall who already made his mind up and twisting intentions to fit his narrative.
sounds like town sloth tbh
also literally respond to anything highroller says, that's not about me
He clearly got bullied by a 3p claim, and its also probably a bit of his personality, since you can see by how he posts, that he thinks highly of his thoughts, and less of everyone else's
I will wait till tomorrow to talk about CC, I want to see his flip
one thought is that, if CC is a wolf, he clearly didn't feel as motivated, and it wouldn't be that weird for him to ask his partners to buss him, I mean in the longcon its a terrible plan, so it also will probably be some extreme tinfoil
best case he self-evaluates and I don't have to think about it, in the above world
I can't even read Sloth's post without feel ling I am talking to a wall who already made his mind up and twisting intentions to fit his narrative.
sounds like town sloth tbh
also literally respond to anything highroller says, that's not about me
He clearly got bullied by a 3p claim, and its also probably a bit of his personality, since you can see by how he posts, that he thinks highly of his thoughts, and less of everyone else's
I will wait till tomorrow to talk about CC, I want to see his flip
one thought is that, if CC is a wolf, he clearly didn't feel as motivated, and it wouldn't be that weird for him to ask his partners to buss him, I mean in the longcon its a terrible plan, so it also will probably be some extreme tinfoil
best case he self-evaluates and I don't have to think about it, in the above world
I mean, I don't really have him as a wolf read either. I don't think a wolf with half effort would make such a piss poor effort in reading. Take it from this ********: You want to be an ********, make sure you are a correct ********
I am treating him as an outed wolf, because he is one. If he is a game throwing townie, that's a different outside of this thread discussion
She wore a quiet dignity, quite unlike the awareness of station that I usually encountered in those better born than I.
Cropcircles has been condemned.
He was: Kettricken - Town Sacrifice
It is an odd language, yours. You speak of passing time as in the mountains we speak of passing wind. As if it were a thing to be rid of.
You are Kettricken, Sacrifice of the Mountain Kingdom. Sacrifice is a translation of the local word for royalty and you take the meaning to heart. You care deeply about your subjects, always striving to do what is right for your people and hating the opulence that the nobles of the Seven Kingdom's expect. You formed a close bond with the wolf Nighteyes in your travels after your betrothal to King-in-Waiting Verity.
You start with 3 Vitality.
The Wit: 1-Shot Anytime Action - You bond with another player and are able to each send one 30-word message per phase to each other.
Glorious Queen: Night Action - You may spend 4V to reveal your alignment to one of your Wit partner(s).
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
It is now Night 1. Night one ends Tuesday at 8:00am AEDT (In about 56 hours).
Silent as a blinded ship, floating hull up in the sea. Silent as a scream underwater.
After the mob tore down Kettricken and found no evidence of ill intent they uneasily retired for the night with latches drawn and weapons within arms reach.
As morning breaks Rhand's body has been found washed up on the beach.
He was Kennit - Town Pirate
Kennit, you are the storm.
You are the ambitious pirate Kennit. You dream of becoming the King of all Pirates and your fiercely loyal crew is fueled by your ambition. With your consort Etta and first mate Sorcor, your life becomes enmeshed with the lives of the Vestrit family.
You start with 3 Vitality.
Maroon: Night Action - You may spend 2V to make target player unable to use any abilities that resolve normally and unable to be targeted by any abilities that resolve normally for that night.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
It is now Day 2. With 16 alive it takes 9 to condemn.
Deadline for Day 2 is on Tuesday the 29th at 8am AEDT (this is at 4PM monday the 28th EST).
I’m no longer townreading iso. I’m interested in what he does today, but his posts after his first catchup were a bit meh, and he didn’t really feel like he was trying to actually read cc. It’s not about being wrong, but I think there should have been some hesitation. I had a theory overnight that he was attacking cropcirckes for attacking rhand because they were partners, but that’s obviously wrong.
I’m not really sure what my reads look like anymore.
And I’m not sure why cc got so deflated when they had the potential to be a friendly neighbor. I know they had to be gifted vitality for it, but I don’t know why they didn’t out that.
Oh yeah sorry I forgot. I’m running on very little sleep right now.
Thank you! I’m bummed that we couldn’t actually talk though. I would have used skill in return but I don’t want to use vitality.
I don’t have a role that benefits from skill. I just really like neighborhoods and having someone to talk to to both sort and talk about the game. I was especially hoping that through chatting I’d get a better feel for the gamestate.
I don’t have any advice for exams because I don’t really give online exams due to the issues of proctoring and cheating; I do papers and projects which still gets cheating but cuts it done somewhat.
@Grapefruit: You forgot # to execute in your votecount
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Well, ****. I had all of my bets on CC actually being scum. Not sure why he didn't just say "hey guys I can confirm myself" instead of wasting our lynch.
...and I was going to vote Rhand coming into toDay, but I see that's not an option, either.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I am pretty sure KJ is town from his reaction, unless he got super good at pretending to not have TMI
also, it never ceases to amaze me how town can make this game so much harder than it needs to be, but any other comments will be post game
also for the sake of clarity
which I did not previously know, blame wording
anyone that is targeted by the wit chat, also becomes witted, sooooooooooooooo
I am still not going to target highroller unless its a consensus obviously
First off, cool, and thanks. I'm good - for now. That's enough for a couple uses.
The lynch, well...that was...something. Didn't peg CC for giving up that easy D1. That definitely could still have been turned around with only 4-5 votes down on him.
@Wisp & HR - If Wisp fires without clearance from us, we absolutely have to pull the trigger with a lynch, and I will be right there with you calling for his head. If he works with us, we should absolutely cooperate with him and help him get that win. But if he goes rogue, we can't allow extra kills on innocents to take place. It's just too damaging. Best practices would be for us to make sure that Wisp can make it onto each lynch to maximize his chances, and I'd propose that we use FOS counts to determine his target just prior to end of day.
To that end, vote GJ, FOS GJ.
Wisp, would you mind tracking those FOS counts for us? Or does someone else want to take point on that?
Wisp, what's the wording on your ability again? Can the people who are witted help you achieve your win con? Can the wit be activated by day, or only by night? If by day, then we could activate that on the lynch targets prior to end of day.
We have someone who open-claimed wit who can answer that, right? Was that HR?
Wow, aren't we just so much better off now than we would be if we had lynched Wisp?
I'm going to need to analyze the CropCircles bandwagon a lot more, and I encourage everyone else to do so as well. The case against CropCircles prior to him deciding to take a dive was nonexistent.
doesn't feel as bad since I have a solo win-con, so the only thing I am hurting is myself honestly
I'll continue to play but I'm just not having fun playing around highroller bravado
@Azreal
just clarifying some things before I answer that question
My fault for claiming to be fair, I had no idea how close to a serial killer my role actually was before I claimed it
since I assumed people had more health, and I did not know that wit could spread via others being witted
also given that from what we've seen of two deaths, a lot of abilities activate via vit
people should honestly just stop adding 3ps to games, like its nice that at least this role works around the mechanics, but it's so boring not having anyone to work with, as well as my life, is literally always hanging by a thread at any point
ok first off
Highroller has not been targeted by me what so ever
I can only target people to give charms during the day, pay the **** attention before you try to shade me (AND U ARE LITERALLY TOLD)
and I didn't even use my drain last night, Cuth can literally confirm that
I'm going to need to analyze the CropCircles bandwagon a lot more, and I encourage everyone else to do so as well. The case against CropCircles prior to him deciding to take a dive was nonexistent.
ohh no it was there, that Rhand read was completely fabricated, CC was not reading the game to the best of their ability, and not adequately using their vote to the advantage of town
Azreal somehow saw a glimpse of town in CC's terrible iso, which going on a limb makes very little sense
like maybe he believes it, its hard to say, but the way he jumped back after the whole self-vote feels oddly townie
personally I hated him bringing up OOG to defend his change of playstyle, but he went through the trouble, of posting all the post numbers for why GJ is a baddie in his opinion, even if he didn't instantiate them, which feels better than him not explaining them at all
Okay I lied, I have some idea of what I want to do toDay.
- figure out if Highroller would lie to get Wisp killed, and whether it's AI
- untangle Azrael's whatever the ****
- bully Tubba for continuing to hide behind a scum-but-not-really read and decide if I want to kill him for it
- kill WMU for being lurking scum, or Boomfrog for being a scum replacement
Side note, I kind of think Bur is town now but it's a bad read. And I don't really want to reward him for his behavior.
Soul reading wolf. Hasn't really done anything of value, haven't been impressed with his pop ins.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Or we could kill him.
Because, y'know, he's not town? And his win-con isn't ours? And why would we want to give him that?
Rofl at the idea of controlling LW. What leverage do you have on him? I think he's 1/3 of the way toward winning already and it's not like anyone's actually going to lynch him.
Hey, Az? Did you miss the part in which usage of The Skill costs vitality, and therefore your plan weakens the entire town?
Also, your plan is that we all roleclaim, but only to one person, and even then only as a codename, which is ridiculous for two reasons:
1. Grapefruit tells you who is PMing you, and
2. Even if he didn't, what the hell use is it to mass claim when nobody knows who the hell you are?
So you decided to mass roleclaim without any of the benefits of an actual mass roleclaim?
What were you thinking would be the benefit of this?
Why would town want to keep him around just to waste his ability? The town argument to not kill Wisp is he is useful for narrowing PoE, not shooting into FPSing townies.
Imagine thinking Iso is the closest townie to null after he delivered CC on a silver platter. Iso is NEVER a wolf on a cc wolf flip.
I don't think I need to even go into how backwards you got it.
@highroller, pretend wisp isn't going to die and wash your hands of a potential town **** up. Who are the other wolves?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
b) i'm ok with being a slot who gives wolves hope for a misyeet down the road for this phase
also literally respond to anything highroller says, that's not about me
He clearly got bullied by a 3p claim, and its also probably a bit of his personality, since you can see by how he posts, that he thinks highly of his thoughts, and less of everyone else's
I will wait till tomorrow to talk about CC, I want to see his flip
one thought is that, if CC is a wolf, he clearly didn't feel as motivated, and it wouldn't be that weird for him to ask his partners to buss him, I mean in the longcon its a terrible plan, so it also will probably be some extreme tinfoil
best case he self-evaluates and I don't have to think about it, in the above world
I thought your name sounded familiar. Huh.
I mean, I don't really have him as a wolf read either. I don't think a wolf with half effort would make such a piss poor effort in reading. Take it from this ********: You want to be an ********, make sure you are a correct ********
I am treating him as an outed wolf, because he is one. If he is a game throwing townie, that's a different outside of this thread discussion
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Also Sloth: I have the same reads as Rhand
Cropcircles (10): Iso, KJ, Wisp, GJ, Vaimes, Cropcircles, Tubba, Highroller, Cantrip, Sloth
Azrael (2): Silver, Rhand
BoomFrog (1): Cuth
Gentleman Johnny (1): BoomFrog
Slothful (1): Az
Iso (1): Bur
Not Voting (2): WMU, Tammy
Cropcircles has been condemned, scene to come.
Cropcircles has been condemned.
He was: Kettricken - Town Sacrifice
You are Kettricken, Sacrifice of the Mountain Kingdom. Sacrifice is a translation of the local word for royalty and you take the meaning to heart. You care deeply about your subjects, always striving to do what is right for your people and hating the opulence that the nobles of the Seven Kingdom's expect. You formed a close bond with the wolf Nighteyes in your travels after your betrothal to King-in-Waiting Verity.
You start with 3 Vitality.
The Wit: 1-Shot Anytime Action - You bond with another player and are able to each send one 30-word message per phase to each other.
Glorious Queen: Night Action - You may spend 4V to reveal your alignment to one of your Wit partner(s).
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
It is now Night 1. Night one ends Tuesday at 8:00am AEDT (In about 56 hours).
Please do not post.
After the mob tore down Kettricken and found no evidence of ill intent they uneasily retired for the night with latches drawn and weapons within arms reach.
As morning breaks Rhand's body has been found washed up on the beach.
He was Kennit - Town Pirate
You are the ambitious pirate Kennit. You dream of becoming the King of all Pirates and your fiercely loyal crew is fueled by your ambition. With your consort Etta and first mate Sorcor, your life becomes enmeshed with the lives of the Vestrit family.
You start with 3 Vitality.
Maroon: Night Action - You may spend 2V to make target player unable to use any abilities that resolve normally and unable to be targeted by any abilities that resolve normally for that night.
You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.
It is now Day 2. With 16 alive it takes 9 to condemn.
Deadline for Day 2 is on Tuesday the 29th at 8am AEDT (this is at 4PM monday the 28th EST).
wisp: thanks and also congrats on the wit yeet
I’m not really sure what my reads look like anymore.
Vote Tubba
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Oh yeah sorry I forgot. I’m running on very little sleep right now.
Thank you! I’m bummed that we couldn’t actually talk though. I would have used skill in return but I don’t want to use vitality.
I don’t have a role that benefits from skill. I just really like neighborhoods and having someone to talk to to both sort and talk about the game. I was especially hoping that through chatting I’d get a better feel for the gamestate.
I don’t have any advice for exams because I don’t really give online exams due to the issues of proctoring and cheating; I do papers and projects which still gets cheating but cuts it done somewhat.
Probably should be in the hot seat as well.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Vote WMU
I am mildly pleased that Rhand actually was a pirate.
Stop using every mistake you make as an excuse to fail completely.
WMU (2): GJ, Vaimes
Tubba (1): GJ
Not Voting (14): Tubba Fett, Iso, Bur, Slothful, Cantripmancer, Highroller, BoomFrog, xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx, Silvercrys3467, Killjoy, Wisp Tammy, Cuthalion, Azrael
With 16 alive it takes 9 to condemn. Updated because I forgot.
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Well, ****. I had all of my bets on CC actually being scum. Not sure why he didn't just say "hey guys I can confirm myself" instead of wasting our lynch.
...and I was going to vote Rhand coming into toDay, but I see that's not an option, either.
I think my vote is best placed here:
Vote: Bur
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I did throw a small crumb out there
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Yes.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I hate you and English language equal amounts right now.
after seeing CC flip with only 3 health, I do not want to do any unnecessary damage
also, it never ceases to amaze me how town can make this game so much harder than it needs to be, but any other comments will be post game
which I did not previously know, blame wording
anyone that is targeted by the wit chat, also becomes witted, sooooooooooooooo
I am still not going to target highroller unless its a consensus obviously
The lynch, well...that was...something. Didn't peg CC for giving up that easy D1. That definitely could still have been turned around with only 4-5 votes down on him.
@Wisp & HR - If Wisp fires without clearance from us, we absolutely have to pull the trigger with a lynch, and I will be right there with you calling for his head. If he works with us, we should absolutely cooperate with him and help him get that win. But if he goes rogue, we can't allow extra kills on innocents to take place. It's just too damaging. Best practices would be for us to make sure that Wisp can make it onto each lynch to maximize his chances, and I'd propose that we use FOS counts to determine his target just prior to end of day.
To that end, vote GJ, FOS GJ.
Wisp, would you mind tracking those FOS counts for us? Or does someone else want to take point on that?
We have someone who open-claimed wit who can answer that, right? Was that HR?
I'm going to need to analyze the CropCircles bandwagon a lot more, and I encourage everyone else to do so as well. The case against CropCircles prior to him deciding to take a dive was nonexistent.
He already has, genius! He targeted me last night. Pay attention!
This is every level of foolish.
So the plan's to never kill Wisp? No, **** that.
Vote Wisp.
vote: Wisp
I'll continue to play but I'm just not having fun playing around highroller bravado
@Azreal
just clarifying some things before I answer that question
Sigh...Sorry Grape.
Vote Wisp
since I assumed people had more health, and I did not know that wit could spread via others being witted
also given that from what we've seen of two deaths, a lot of abilities activate via vit
Highroller has not been targeted by me what so ever
I can only target people to give charms during the day, pay the **** attention before you try to shade me (AND U ARE LITERALLY TOLD)
and I didn't even use my drain last night, Cuth can literally confirm that
what did you mean by tracking the FoS?
I would like Highroller to clarify why he thinks Wisp targeted him.
I would like for WMU and Boomfrog to explode.
And then we can go from there.
ohh no it was there, that Rhand read was completely fabricated, CC was not reading the game to the best of their ability, and not adequately using their vote to the advantage of town
Azreal somehow saw a glimpse of town in CC's terrible iso, which going on a limb makes very little sense
like maybe he believes it, its hard to say, but the way he jumped back after the whole self-vote feels oddly townie
personally I hated him bringing up OOG to defend his change of playstyle, but he went through the trouble, of posting all the post numbers for why GJ is a baddie in his opinion, even if he didn't instantiate them, which feels better than him not explaining them at all
- figure out if Highroller would lie to get Wisp killed, and whether it's AI
- untangle Azrael's whatever the ****
- bully Tubba for continuing to hide behind a scum-but-not-really read and decide if I want to kill him for it
- kill WMU for being lurking scum, or Boomfrog for being a scum replacement
Side note, I kind of think Bur is town now but it's a bad read. And I don't really want to reward him for his behavior.
gunna go iso-dive at some point and drop my thoughts if killing me will really put that sparkle in your eyes