If his replacement works some magic then there's a chance I'll reevaluate, but we're over haflway through the Day and Chad has like no relevant content aside from his wallpost, which isn't even especially towny.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
man Cantrip really had only one post before Chad voted him, and it wasn't even his wall...
like How does that happened
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I think Chad has a >rand chance to be scum, mostly based on their "most of [Cantrip's] early posts struck me as odd" when I'd only made one post. Some reservations here, though, because I could see some town paranoia after the recent game he mentioned.
what reseverations... you literally made an RVS vote kinda? like that post doesn't even compare to your overall play as "any" alignment at all, especially not your wolf game, so ya, this response confuses me
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KJ vs CC feels like two players putting their desire to be right on something trivial higher than any kind of win-con-related agenda, which makes me think they're TvT.
Can you resist this read on CC at some point? since you know CC is the top train and everything
@Cantrip
Can you revisit this read on CC at some point? since you know CC is the top train and everything (small edit in the question)
like if Chad really wanted to start off with a vote on Cantrip, because, "He is scary", without mentioning the posts, or somehow misrepresenting the amount he posted, it probably would have looked better. It just looks so forced
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d Chad has like no relevant content aside from his wallpost, which isn't even especially towny.
that is pretty subjective, so what about the people like GJ? who think that post was good? Despite my thoughts on that slot, I still feel as if you've been a bit lazy as of late, and I don't particularly like it
I swear if this is all some garbage scum theater sandwich, I will be highly disappointed
Who the hell cares what they did in another game, the context matters, I don't know anything about ghostbusters, and rhands claim was God awful from what Osie said, lol
I have been fully transparent, and well in my town meta lol
I mean, objectively it wasn't. He said he won the game off of it.
honestly, Hi, Self-bias speaking here, and not trying to beat a dead horse but like, it still does not matter. Because we look at how it came to the point of him claiming, and his posts before and after, if he was in claim range, and it was like day 2 or onwards, then you kill it, the claim should mean almost nothing, especially not if its a 3p, maybe a doctor claim, or something
and this is exactly why I claimed first, cause
1. in my mind outside of the enigmas of Tubba and Highroller I shouldn't be voted if my content doesn't showcase a wolfy player on day 1, that's like pretty general mafia theory, but hey to each their own
2. my win-con is still better off being out in the open, than not, for someone like me who just radiates townieness, who could just randomly die. At least part of my role claim would have looked good, but I would still have to explain why I targeted people which could look worse for me, and I did not have a fake flavor claim to work around
that is pretty subjective, so what about the people like GJ? who think that post was good? Despite my thoughts on that slot, I still feel as if you've been a bit lazy as of late, and I don't particularly like it
Uhhh no it isn't, because Chad never actually answered the main question. He responded to Tammy about why the one post was weird, rather than why he stated that Cantrip had multiple posts.
idk GJ is a weirdo. Plus part of me thinks he doesn't go to bat for Chad there as scum, regardless of Chad's alignment, because it looks wack.
My no-context townie list starting with the towniest is as follows:
Tammy
Killjoy
Johnny
Highroller
Vaimes
Cantripmancer
Cuthalion
Slothful
From there are my more ambivalent reads:
Silver reads mostly town to me, but there is something off about his posting style that is giving me pause. Bur feels pretty townie throughout, but does seem to be avoiding making any splashes. And Tubba, I didn't like his initial response to LW coming out, but his posts on the subject after that felt genuine to me. Not much to go off of beyond that. I'm gonna say town on these guys, but more reluctantly so.
My bet for the scum team is Rhand, Az, Chad/Boom, and WMU. In (roughly) that order.
WMU and Chad haven't been around much, so this is somewhat just PoE. But WMU's post have almost entirely been asking softball questions that are unlikely to go anywhere. And I felt she overexplained her unvoting her RVS vote in a way that felt very unnatural:
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Sorry for inactivity these days, I will wait for the weekend to read through but from what I skimmed I saw Cantrip has just one post.
I hoped my RVS vote may bring me an idea of his alignament but I doubt it's effective after so much time.
The VC (post 164) showed him with 3 votes and I don't like this.
Unvote
Chad just had nothing posts, *****ed a lot about RVS, and than had that big catch up post which looked like busy work. That plus the reluctance to cast a vote after that post. It didn't look like he was trying to put pressure or get anything moving, just like he realized it looked weird that he hadn't voted yet and did it to keep up appearances.
Az's entrance felt like familiar townie Az to me, but that quickly fell off. I'm gonna barn...I think it was Silver who called it empty rhetoric. He's responded plenty to the LW discussion, so he's had the time to go into more detail, but just doesn't. And then not giving his reads, but just declaring that they are there is not a good look. I think he is hiding behind the game mechanic to avoid taking any stances. This all feels like classic scum Az to me. I haven't played with Az since, like I think Bush was still President. But I can't deny how familiar this feels.
Rhand has been posting a lot of fluff and joking more then hunting. Half his posts this game rub me the wrong way. Then bouncing from barning Iso to vote me without an explanation to the half-hearted push on Tubba, and then a lot of wasted energy arguing with Highroller. It all feels like he's trying to look like he's hunting more than actual hunting. Mostly a gut read, but the one I feel strongest.
I'll Vote:Rhand for good measure. I'm not gonna vote for Boom when he just replaced in. Not this far from a deadline. Could vote for Az or WMU if there is real interest there, but my wagon is the only one with any momentum and I don't super-duper think that's going to change.
There. I did the damn thing. I wash my hands of this whole affair.
The fact that the claimed neutral is pushing this game forward more than any other play other than myself is bothersome, even if he has a very self pres reason for doing so.
Oh my I hope CC flips mafia. That post is a goldmine.
@CC I wasn’t joking when I said that I think the whole mafia team is on page 2 of the postcount. I’m not hunting mafia because the people that are posting are all town.
There being a distinct lack of content in the last sixty-whatever posts is fine but half of the players being like "nah I'm just not gonna RVS" is
There's probably a wolf in the players who followed me onto Iso but I'm gonna town lean them all anyway
I had this thought as well, meaning one in {Silver, Rhand, Bur, Crops} - of these Crops seemed the flimsiest with the 'trend' comment.
Like, it's flimsy tho so
Nice scattershot. You realize that that statement is statistically true for any group of 4 players, right?
Also calling a RVS vote flimsy is funny.
What will follow is my discussion with him on this subject. I'm skipping only posts that are already quoted in later posts, such as my post that CC is quoting and responding to immediately below.
I disagree with the math actually. 25% of the whole game is not the same as 1 in 4 random players is proabalby scum.
What? Yes it is.
If 25% of the game is scum and you pick players at random, you have a 25% chance with each pick that you'll hit scum. If you have a 25% chance 4 times, you are most likely to hit one scum and three townies. Certainly you are most likely to hit at least one scum, which is what he is saying.
His grouping of 4 is not random, and I think you saying that its true for any 4 players is [some kind of logical fallacy (strawman? gamblers? maybe)] and isn't what he's actually saying.
I realize his grouping is not random. But what he is saying is functionally as effective as picking players at random, and is therefor a useless statement.
@CropCircles: So, Sloth makes the same point that I do, and he's shading you. Why am I not in that same boat?
Because you and I just disagree on the math. I didn't see you half-heartedly shading a large group of people the way Sloth did. And your responses come across as genuine to me. I still think you are wrong, but the whole exchange has led me to lean town on you.
We don't just disagree on the math, CC. We also disagree about the relevence of the four-pack that Silver proposed. And it doesn't make sense for you to still be doing, or at least you should have reconsidered your position here. If you think I'm town, then I really believe what I'm saying. But no, you're pushing your position still, in your discussions with Sloth, and using it against him as well. But not me, like I said, and not Silver, who was the first person who had this position.
So, if the position of [there are scum in Silver, Rhand, Bur, Crops] is scattershot and comes from a scum mindset, why are two of the people who hold it not scum in your eyes?
First of all, what Silver said was that "There's probably a wolf in the players who followed me onto Iso but I'm gonna town lean them all anyway," which is not shading anyone at all. There's no comparison there.
It's no less shading than Sloth did. Like, if I say "I saw Silver drowning a kitten, throwing bricks at an orphanage on fire, and licking the frosting off of cupcakes in the grocery store before putting them back... but I'm gonna townlean him for it" That doesn;'t remove the negativity of what I'm saying he did. The fact that you're continuing to argue specifically that Sloth deserves your ire but no one else does is inconsistant, and I continue to believe, intentional.
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As for your stance, okay so maybe it's just me who got caught up in the math, but it doesn't change much. My vote on Sloth came after his response to my initial jab. As I've already stated, I read your responses as genuine whereas his read fake to me. So again, there's really no comparison.
You're framing this as though my vote is simply for that initial scattershot post, but it is not. It is for his response to the initial accusation. Sloth basically refusing to even have this conversation at this point just replying "no u" and scoffing the whole thing off pretty much solidifies it at this point....
I'm not framing anything as anything. Framing is something that scum does anyway, and you don't think I'm scum, right?
Your initial suspicion of Sloth was the scattershot shade on [4pack] and that's what I was arguing against initially. Now you're saying the reason you suspect him had nothing to do with that, and was borne of his response to your jab.
So to recap, I'm not a fan of you saying that Sloth's scattershot is more scummy than [mine and Silver's] points of the same vein for no really good reason. I recognize that your suspicion will have grown in response to his response (here) but the initial susicion made no sense, and the fact that others doing it as well for the same reason aren't suspect.
And following that he just kinda drops it. He hasn't responded to this.
Firstly, I apperently never explicitly made the point that I agreed that there was scum on the RVS Iso wagon. I implied it later and CC seems to accept at face value, so I still believe it's relevent even without the explicit statement.
The first actual point I made is that while Silver and Sloth made the same point with generally the same tone (actually it can be argued that Sloth was less shady about it due to recognizing that CC is the least solid case of the scum on Iso due to the 'trend' comment, but CC doesn't seem to agree so lets just say Sloth isn't less shady here.) that the theres likely a wolf meming onto Iso. He then decides that Sloth is scum for insinuating this, but Silver is not because he followed it up with a resolved townlean on them. This makes no sense. Saying things that shade a player, then resolving a townread afterword doesn't remove the shade. If someone were to say "I heard that Iso beat a man to death with a crowbar, but that could be just a rumor. He could be a good guy", the accusation rings louder than the dismissal. In court, this would be the kind of thing that the judge would tell a jury to disregard, but anyone call tell you that you can't unring a bell. I know this analogy isn't the BEST but, it makes some sense I think. Silver saying there's scum on that wagon, but dismissing them into a townlean doesn't change the fact that it's shading. Along these lines, I also implied that I agreed, and didn't townlean anyone as a result, but CC still doesn't think that I'm shading either. He said that's because he thinks I'm genuine. This (his stance on my stance) is the least of my points, but I feel like town!him would at least self-criticize his stance there to see. When someone I trust has an opinion that someone I'm scumreading is also holding, that's what I do.
The second point is the argument with CC about whether or not there was scum on Iso's wagon. His statement that a random group of any 4 players would likely contain a wolf, whereas my point was that there was a conscious reason, and therefore his point that it contains a wolf only because law of averages (or whatever the actual word for that is) is wrong. He continues to push this after I attempt to change his mind. Cantrip doesn't agree that my assessment that CC is pushing this so far due to wolf intent. My view is that he wanted to either dismantle the idea that there was a wolf meming onto Iso, or make Sloth look bad for holding that position, or both.
Finally, he never responded to my vote. He responded to Iso in what appears to be an attempt to make his vote less valid. He responded to Rhand's and Tammy as well. He appears very interested in the votes on himself, and defending himself from the reasons of those votes. That's my interpretation of his posting here anyway.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@Cantrip: I had no idea. If I find more energy, I’ll go back to pirating. Or at least part of my posts.
CC: I assume this is "Rhand barning Iso"? But I'm not seeing anything obvious pointing to that. You accuse him of barning Iso here, which he responds to... never? He does ask everyone to ISO CC and tell him why they aren;t voting him.. Hm. His vote isn't terrible given that Rhand seems to have dodged that question. I disagree that the jump on Tubba is scummy. It seems reactionary, but not necessarily nefarious. If CC is town, then the suspicion on Rhand is likely confirmation bias. I've went down that rabbit hole before.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I'm not getting dragged back into this. You keep fixating on the shade comment, I have already stated more then once that my read came more from the interactions that followed, and you just dismiss that as not mattering. I don't really know what else to tell you.
And as much as everyone wants to act like I'm the Mathgate guy, after my initial comment, I've only been responding to KJ. And here he is yet again trying to drudge it up. Move on dude. I'm not wasting anymore of my life on you.
Well, I'm scumreading you, and that's why. Be as dismissive as you like.
It's not about the math anymore. I called you out on that because it was logically wrong. That's not why you're scum. I don't think anyone actually thinks that you're scum because of math (though I'm not 100% caught up so maybe that point was made after I did, IDK) but it's your insistence that Sloth is scum for shading, but Silver is not. You're pushing a narritive that I don't think you'd beleive if you were analyzing this fairly.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I don’t have the brain power for mafia right now. Sorry I’m in the midst of grading final papers, and I’m just really exhausted for some reason too so I’m just all uhhhhhh and lacking the focus to even skim and keep caught up.
I liked Johnny’s point on chad. I’m not sure how much I agree with it but I liked the thought he put into it. My problem with the chad wall was because he looked like he was responding to stuff for the sake of it, so it looked like filler to pad a wall post and his cantrip point wss overdone. Hopefully if it’s town, his replacement will town it up.
saw that there was much more but my brain went yeah no.
@Highroller
I’m with you, I think you are right and Wisp should die. I can also see that that’s just not going to happen and we should move on content with being morally and intellectually superior.
Where we disagree is that Wisp is lying and possibly scum. I was sceptical, but it seems unlikely that alignment is something Wisp is lying about.
@All
I should’ve switched my vote to Chad after coming to grips with Wisp, consider my vote there but I’d like to hear what Boom thinks of the game.
@Wisp
How many charms can you have active at one time? You give a charm and drain 1, then at night you remove the charm and drain for another 1-3? Can you leave the charm on or do you need to reset each night? If you want me off your back you need to get supes clear as you can.
@Az
If you want to keep your town reads close to your chest, I won’t begrudge you it, but I need you to breakdown your post list of scum tells for GJ and Sloth. They seem rather innocuous?
@Wisp
How many charms can you have active at one time? You give a charm and drain 1, then at night you remove the charm and drain for another 1-3? Can you leave the charm on or do you need to reset each night? If you want me off your back you need to get supes clear as you can.
I can have as many as I want
but I can only give one charm per day (at the cost of 1 vit)
at night I can choose to lose 1 vitality to remove all charms and do 1 or 3 damage (to be more clear, it's more of a leech), based on if they are my target or not
if I don't use my night ability, the charms stay on
Can someone, actually like a few people give a summery of the game state? It seems wisp has claimed some kind of vampire,
Do you guys do read lists? I'd love to just see everyone give an ordered list of town to scum at this point, or link to a recent list if you already made one.
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@Wake
While I do hate his tone, I still mostly hate his posts
I don't remember from you to use this kind of read, I hoped you can give me something concrete but I understand thinking at your claim that you don't have a real motivation to solve.
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Don't remember why I quoted this but I am in favor of lynching scum rather than a claimed Neutral on D1.
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@WakeMeUp: Nice to meet you, as well. I don't play over on MU, but I do have one important question for you: Inside, When September Ends, or Before You Go Go?
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Agree with not lynching Wisp
Inside is my favorite, I have When september ends in my heart too for a reason and Before you go go is the kind I want to listen on the beach in a summer day.
I would prefer to have a real game related question from you
Lynchwise, my short list is Cropcircles, LW, Silver, Wakemeup in descending order. Bur/Tubba have been down trending for me lately, but not enough that I don't care to see a flip today.
I know I wasn't active, I can play today all day and make myself useful, same answer for everyone who put me in the Poe
Can someone, actually like a few people give a summery of the game state? It seems wisp has claimed some kind of vampire,
Do you guys do read lists? I'd love to just see everyone give an ordered list of town to scum at this point, or link to a recent list if you already made one.
I don't want to come off as (more of) a dick, but read. 17 players giving you a read list, when we have under a week to lynch (and unlike MU, we function on majority, not plurality for the deadline, so no maj = no lynch). I am even quote on my own short list on this very page.
Summary of the game is that there hasn't been any real hard discussion. RVS - individual hunting - LW claiming neutral when he thought I was unfairly getting pressured, CC is the currently the most popular wagon via votes. Deadline in 6 days and some odd hours.
@Vaimes
What's your thoughts on CC saying that Rhand is joking around too much? Cause in my opinion that is just not true? And based on your answer does that change how you feel about the slot. I just feel like you are avoiding CC at this point
I feel like none of Vaimes reads have really been evaluated for a while by him but honestly they are all in the lower tier, so I don't even think it really matters in terms of my read on him
I feel like none of Vaimes reads have really been evaluated for a while by him but honestly they are all in the lower tier, so I don't even think it really matters in terms of my read on him
@Vaimes
What's your thoughts on CC saying that Rhand is joking around too much? Cause in my opinion that is just not true? And based on your answer does that change how you feel about the slot. I just feel like you are avoiding CC at this point
I'm avoiding [opening] CC['s ISO and reading and doing work].
Just based on my vague memory of Rhand, I disagree with him, so.
Will not vote toDay: Vaimes, Tammy, Cuth, Iso, Highroller, Sloth
Prefer to vote: Az, Boomfrog, GJ
Would vote to secure an execution: anyone else
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Someone in my town circle talk to me about Az for a bit, please
Curious that you don't seem to be doing much to push forward on any of those votes, are you even voting on your vote list currently?
Also, you think me and Az are wolves together? o-0
possible lunches, does not equate to tangible wolf teams, like what even GJ
There's a difference between tangible lynches and putting things together. Besides, if you read his iso, he seems to poke and prod and that theory, but that makes very little sense to me. And while it might not mean hard locking at the team, I can at least assume that he isn't dismissive of it.
Like for instance, I don't think Az/LW are ever w/w based on the lolflavor gaming post. I still have you both low though. The difference is I also have other people. His only other ok with lynch is Frog
Wisp can you like, stop prodding me over things that clearly do not mean anything for my alignment. I am painfully obviously not mafia.
To be fair, if there is a deep wolf, I am putting odds its you over say Rhand or Tammy ;).
Will not vote toDay: Vaimes, Tammy, Cuth, Iso, Highroller, Sloth
Prefer to vote: Az, Boomfrog, GJ
Would vote to secure an execution: anyone else
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Someone in my town circle talk to me about Az for a bit, please
Curious that you don't seem to be doing much to push forward on any of those votes, are you even voting on your vote list currently?
Also, you think me and Az are wolves together? o-0
possible lunches, does not equate to tangible wolf teams, like what even GJ
There's a difference between tangible lynches and putting things together. Besides, if you read his iso, he seems to poke and prod and that theory, but that makes very little sense to me. And while it might not mean hard locking at the team, I can at least assume that he isn't dismissive of it.
Like for instance, I don't think Az/LW are ever w/w based on the lolflavor gaming post. I still have you both low though. The difference is I also have other people. His only other ok with lynch is Frog
Wisp can you like, stop prodding me over things that clearly do not mean anything for my alignment. I am painfully obviously not mafia.
To be fair, if there is a deep wolf, I am putting odds its you over say Rhand or Tammy ;).
We'll cross the bridge later though.
I'm not really worried about a deep wolf, or Vaimes, I just wanted his thoughts on CC, and I incorrectly assumed he wasn't talking about him, when he was.
Will not vote toDay: Vaimes, Tammy, Cuth, Iso, Highroller, Sloth
Prefer to vote: Az, Boomfrog, GJ
Would vote to secure an execution: anyone else
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Someone in my town circle talk to me about Az for a bit, please
Curious that you don't seem to be doing much to push forward on any of those votes, are you even voting on your vote list currently?
Also, you think me and Az are wolves together? o-0
possible lunches, does not equate to tangible wolf teams, like what even GJ
There's a difference between tangible lynches and putting things together. Besides, if you read his iso, he seems to poke and prod and that theory, but that makes very little sense to me. And while it might not mean hard locking at the team, I can at least assume that he isn't dismissive of it.
Like for instance, I don't think Az/LW are ever w/w based on the lolflavor gaming post. I still have you both low though. The difference is I also have other people. His only other ok with lynch is Frog
Wisp can you like, stop prodding me over things that clearly do not mean anything for my alignment. I am painfully obviously not mafia.
To be fair, if there is a deep wolf, I am putting odds its you over say Rhand or Tammy ;).
We'll cross the bridge later though.
I'm not really worried about a deep wolf, or Vaimes, I just wanted his thoughts on CC, and I incorrectly assumed he wasn't talking about him, when he was.
It's day 1, I am not either. But there in my gut of guts, I don't like Vaimes. Maybe game is super easy and the wolves are everyone trying to get beat by Grape in postcount. I strongly doubt it.
I'm still on the "CC is scum" train. I'll see if I can prove it today.
I'm feeling almost entirely better, was probably just the flu btw.
like How does that happened
what reseverations... you literally made an RVS vote kinda? like that post doesn't even compare to your overall play as "any" alignment at all, especially not your wolf game, so ya, this response confuses me
Can you resist this read on CC at some point? since you know CC is the top train and everything
Can you revisit this read on CC at some point? since you know CC is the top train and everything (small edit in the question)
like if Chad really wanted to start off with a vote on Cantrip, because, "He is scary", without mentioning the posts, or somehow misrepresenting the amount he posted, it probably would have looked better. It just looks so forced
that is pretty subjective, so what about the people like GJ? who think that post was good? Despite my thoughts on that slot, I still feel as if you've been a bit lazy as of late, and I don't particularly like it
I swear if this is all some garbage scum theater sandwich, I will be highly disappointed
honestly, Hi, Self-bias speaking here, and not trying to beat a dead horse but like, it still does not matter. Because we look at how it came to the point of him claiming, and his posts before and after, if he was in claim range, and it was like day 2 or onwards, then you kill it, the claim should mean almost nothing, especially not if its a 3p, maybe a doctor claim, or something
and this is exactly why I claimed first, cause
1. in my mind outside of the enigmas of Tubba and Highroller I shouldn't be voted if my content doesn't showcase a wolfy player on day 1, that's like pretty general mafia theory, but hey to each their own
2. my win-con is still better off being out in the open, than not, for someone like me who just radiates townieness, who could just randomly die. At least part of my role claim would have looked good, but I would still have to explain why I targeted people which could look worse for me, and I did not have a fake flavor claim to work around
idk GJ is a weirdo. Plus part of me thinks he doesn't go to bat for Chad there as scum, regardless of Chad's alignment, because it looks wack.
ok boomer
ok fair point lol, maybe you should have asked him a bit harder though
peace boomers
My no-context townie list starting with the towniest is as follows:
Tammy
Killjoy
Johnny
Highroller
Vaimes
Cantripmancer
Cuthalion
Slothful
From there are my more ambivalent reads:
Silver reads mostly town to me, but there is something off about his posting style that is giving me pause. Bur feels pretty townie throughout, but does seem to be avoiding making any splashes. And Tubba, I didn't like his initial response to LW coming out, but his posts on the subject after that felt genuine to me. Not much to go off of beyond that. I'm gonna say town on these guys, but more reluctantly so.
My bet for the scum team is Rhand, Az, Chad/Boom, and WMU. In (roughly) that order.
WMU and Chad haven't been around much, so this is somewhat just PoE. But WMU's post have almost entirely been asking softball questions that are unlikely to go anywhere. And I felt she overexplained her unvoting her RVS vote in a way that felt very unnatural:
Az's entrance felt like familiar townie Az to me, but that quickly fell off. I'm gonna barn...I think it was Silver who called it empty rhetoric. He's responded plenty to the LW discussion, so he's had the time to go into more detail, but just doesn't. And then not giving his reads, but just declaring that they are there is not a good look. I think he is hiding behind the game mechanic to avoid taking any stances. This all feels like classic scum Az to me. I haven't played with Az since, like I think Bush was still President. But I can't deny how familiar this feels.
Rhand has been posting a lot of fluff and joking more then hunting. Half his posts this game rub me the wrong way. Then bouncing from barning Iso to vote me without an explanation to the half-hearted push on Tubba, and then a lot of wasted energy arguing with Highroller. It all feels like he's trying to look like he's hunting more than actual hunting. Mostly a gut read, but the one I feel strongest.
I'll Vote:Rhand for good measure. I'm not gonna vote for Boom when he just replaced in. Not this far from a deadline. Could vote for Az or WMU if there is real interest there, but my wagon is the only one with any momentum and I don't super-duper think that's going to change.
There. I did the damn thing. I wash my hands of this whole affair.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
@CC I wasn’t joking when I said that I think the whole mafia team is on page 2 of the postcount. I’m not hunting mafia because the people that are posting are all town.
honestly, we are reading different Rhand posts or you are being malicious on purpose
What will follow is my discussion with him on this subject. I'm skipping only posts that are already quoted in later posts, such as my post that CC is quoting and responding to immediately below.
And following that he just kinda drops it. He hasn't responded to this.
The first actual point I made is that while Silver and Sloth made the same point with generally the same tone (actually it can be argued that Sloth was less shady about it due to recognizing that CC is the least solid case of the scum on Iso due to the 'trend' comment, but CC doesn't seem to agree so lets just say Sloth isn't less shady here.) that the theres likely a wolf meming onto Iso. He then decides that Sloth is scum for insinuating this, but Silver is not because he followed it up with a resolved townlean on them. This makes no sense. Saying things that shade a player, then resolving a townread afterword doesn't remove the shade. If someone were to say "I heard that Iso beat a man to death with a crowbar, but that could be just a rumor. He could be a good guy", the accusation rings louder than the dismissal. In court, this would be the kind of thing that the judge would tell a jury to disregard, but anyone call tell you that you can't unring a bell. I know this analogy isn't the BEST but, it makes some sense I think. Silver saying there's scum on that wagon, but dismissing them into a townlean doesn't change the fact that it's shading. Along these lines, I also implied that I agreed, and didn't townlean anyone as a result, but CC still doesn't think that I'm shading either. He said that's because he thinks I'm genuine. This (his stance on my stance) is the least of my points, but I feel like town!him would at least self-criticize his stance there to see. When someone I trust has an opinion that someone I'm scumreading is also holding, that's what I do.
The second point is the argument with CC about whether or not there was scum on Iso's wagon. His statement that a random group of any 4 players would likely contain a wolf, whereas my point was that there was a conscious reason, and therefore his point that it contains a wolf only because law of averages (or whatever the actual word for that is) is wrong. He continues to push this after I attempt to change his mind. Cantrip doesn't agree that my assessment that CC is pushing this so far due to wolf intent. My view is that he wanted to either dismantle the idea that there was a wolf meming onto Iso, or make Sloth look bad for holding that position, or both.
Finally, he never responded to my vote. He responded to Iso in what appears to be an attempt to make his vote less valid. He responded to Rhand's and Tammy as well. He appears very interested in the votes on himself, and defending himself from the reasons of those votes. That's my interpretation of his posting here anyway.
And as much as everyone wants to act like I'm the Mathgate guy, after my initial comment, I've only been responding to KJ. And here he is yet again trying to drudge it up. Move on dude. I'm not wasting anymore of my life on you.
It's not about the math anymore. I called you out on that because it was logically wrong. That's not why you're scum. I don't think anyone actually thinks that you're scum because of math (though I'm not 100% caught up so maybe that point was made after I did, IDK) but it's your insistence that Sloth is scum for shading, but Silver is not. You're pushing a narritive that I don't think you'd beleive if you were analyzing this fairly.
I liked Johnny’s point on chad. I’m not sure how much I agree with it but I liked the thought he put into it. My problem with the chad wall was because he looked like he was responding to stuff for the sake of it, so it looked like filler to pad a wall post and his cantrip point wss overdone. Hopefully if it’s town, his replacement will town it up.
saw that there was much more but my brain went yeah no.
@Highroller
I’m with you, I think you are right and Wisp should die. I can also see that that’s just not going to happen and we should move on content with being morally and intellectually superior.
Where we disagree is that Wisp is lying and possibly scum. I was sceptical, but it seems unlikely that alignment is something Wisp is lying about.
@All
I should’ve switched my vote to Chad after coming to grips with Wisp, consider my vote there but I’d like to hear what Boom thinks of the game.
@Wisp
How many charms can you have active at one time? You give a charm and drain 1, then at night you remove the charm and drain for another 1-3? Can you leave the charm on or do you need to reset each night? If you want me off your back you need to get supes clear as you can.
@Az
If you want to keep your town reads close to your chest, I won’t begrudge you it, but I need you to breakdown your post list of scum tells for GJ and Sloth. They seem rather innocuous?
but I can only give one charm per day (at the cost of 1 vit)
at night I can choose to lose 1 vitality to remove all charms and do 1 or 3 damage (to be more clear, it's more of a leech), based on if they are my target or not
if I don't use my night ability, the charms stay on
I'm probably gonna reread Rhand too. I think his recent stuff is fine but maybe his earlier non-pirate posts have slipped my mind.
Do you guys do read lists? I'd love to just see everyone give an ordered list of town to scum at this point, or link to a recent list if you already made one.
going to see if I have answers/questions for me first
I don't remember from you to use this kind of read, I hoped you can give me something concrete but I understand thinking at your claim that you don't have a real motivation to solve.
Agree with not lynching Wisp
Inside is my favorite, I have When september ends in my heart too for a reason and Before you go go is the kind I want to listen on the beach in a summer day.
I would prefer to have a real game related question from you
I know I wasn't active, I can play today all day and make myself useful, same answer for everyone who put me in the Poe
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I don't want to come off as (more of) a dick, but read. 17 players giving you a read list, when we have under a week to lynch (and unlike MU, we function on majority, not plurality for the deadline, so no maj = no lynch). I am even quote on my own short list on this very page.
Summary of the game is that there hasn't been any real hard discussion. RVS - individual hunting - LW claiming neutral when he thought I was unfairly getting pressured, CC is the currently the most popular wagon via votes. Deadline in 6 days and some odd hours.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Prefer to vote: Az, Boomfrog, GJ
Would vote to secure an execution: anyone else
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Someone in my town circle talk to me about Az for a bit, please
Curious that you don't seem to be doing much to push forward on any of those votes, are you even voting on your vote list currently?
Also, you think me and Az are wolves together? o-0
The GJ way path to no lynching:
But then, you want someone to talk to you about Az. Why aren't you trying to light a fire?
Also, while I might be misreading your tone, slightly surprised Rhand is absent on your prefer to vote list.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
So you will only vote CC to secure a lunch? What exactly makes you take that position
What's your thoughts on CC saying that Rhand is joking around too much? Cause in my opinion that is just not true? And based on your answer does that change how you feel about the slot. I just feel like you are avoiding CC at this point
Chad doesn't really count since I know
Just based on my vague memory of Rhand, I disagree with him, so.
There's a difference between tangible lynches and putting things together. Besides, if you read his iso, he seems to poke and prod and that theory, but that makes very little sense to me. And while it might not mean hard locking at the team, I can at least assume that he isn't dismissive of it.
Like for instance, I don't think Az/LW are ever w/w based on the lolflavor gaming post. I still have you both low though. The difference is I also have other people. His only other ok with lynch is Frog
To be fair, if there is a deep wolf, I am putting odds its you over say Rhand or Tammy ;).
We'll cross the bridge later though.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
It's day 1, I am not either. But there in my gut of guts, I don't like Vaimes. Maybe game is super easy and the wolves are everyone trying to get beat by Grape in postcount. I strongly doubt it.
The GJ way path to no lynching: