Prophylaxis
Axelrod
Grapefruit21
Highroller
Vaimes
silvercrys3467
Rodemy r. Ampharos
Jackrito r. Cayvie
Two scum in three names assuming that Vaimes/Highroller aren't deepwolfing me?
Well, I am assuming nothing at this point except that GF is Town.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I would probably not be adverse to going straight to a Cayvie claim, if only to save time...
But I can wait for everyone to check in first.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I spent most of the night writing up a post that said Terry was either clear or scum with exactly Vaimes. What a waste of time.
My other big effort was the Proph/CC interactions and I think it looks really good for Proph. There is always the chance that they went with plan bus/distance from the jump but to me it feels like CC was trying to kill a townie.
I really think it's Cayvie here. The reads wall from CC on Jack just feels buddyish to me. The specific focus on the "lost and scared" doesn't but the rest does.
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
proph/silver as a non-cayvie PoE just doesn't feel very good to me, tbh.
my main point in favor of calling silver a busser yesterday was the implication that CC's play wouldn't be to throw himself upon the sword of a viillager - but then, what SHOULD his play have been?
an important thing to keep in mind is that CC proooobably didn't realize that roleblocked players would be notified of such, given his play yesterday - so perhaps he picked a villager and was banking on claiming roleblocked?
(i also want to say i'm inclined to think this means there's no scum roleblocker, but i suppose if they thought the roleblocked didn't notify that doesn't nececssarily have to be true)
so my point is like... if you're gonna name a partner, especially one who wasn't looking to be immediately killed (i.e. not-cayvie), you may as well have them clear you, yeah? buy yourself some extra time - the charade doesn't really fall apart until later on, and you've still got a full team to work with. thinking from a wolf's perspective, a bus there feels like a plan that's a lot less likely to lead to a net positive outcome
so if i take silver out of my PoE, it narrows to cayvie and proph. and i still dunno if i'm scumreading proph. so like... what the ****
and then you've got squintworthy poe-expanding posts coming in from highroller that make me feel better about not instantly locking in that poe so
an important thing to keep in mind is that CC proooobably didn't realize that roleblocked players would be notified of such, given his play yesterday - so perhaps he picked a villager and was banking on claiming roleblocked?
I don’t understand what you are saying here. CC loudly announced that he was not RBed in his opening post of the day. How do you figure he was planning on claiming to have been RBed?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Since the Angel wasn’t designed to be confusing, a clarification: an Angel takes the lynch or Night Kill for someone.
I was not aware that there were different definitions for that role on different sites
Slightly wrong on CC, they would have died D1 if not for the claim. It bought them a phase.
They were only going to survive if they could prove they were town.
All the same, it demonstrates what I'm saying. CC was forced to think of a fake roleclaim on the fly. It backfired. This forces each member of the remaining mafia into the same position.
Granted I was defending CC for a long time but there would have been enough votes until the claim.
I agree but to me it's a matter of degrees. Cayvie should absolutely claim when they post. Because there are definitely enough votes to enter claim range.
Since we have that already I think keeping everything else under wraps till the claim and probable majority makes sense. Tomorrow I'll be in favor of a mass claim.
Given Terry said his role was linked to Axel on d1 it's presumable that "targeted" means he was forced to protect Axel, I think
A villager being forced to protect a wolf is ~probably beyond bastard, lol, so I'm just going to clear Axel/Grape on that basis
If Terry got to choose his target in pregame and decided to dance around his claim and this is some huge gambit by Axel/Grape I think I just lose to Terry not openly claiming tbh it isn't worth spending brainpower on
Given Terry said his role was linked to Axel on d1 it's presumable that "targeted" means he was forced to protect Axel, I think
A villager being forced to protect a wolf is ~probably beyond bastard, lol, so I'm just going to clear Axel/Grape on that basis
If Terry got to choose his target in pregame and decided to dance around his claim and this is some huge gambit by Axel/Grape I think I just lose to Terry not openly claiming tbh it isn't worth spending brainpower on
My current guess is that Terry had to choose pre-game (or during D1?), and chose me, but also had the ability to switch it. Because it definitely doesn't make sense for him to be a "Town" Angel protecting a Mafia. That would make the role more like a Bodyguard, except it also takes the lynch for his target. Also, at least for some "Angel" roles, they don't "win" the game unless their target lives to the end. Don't know if that is the case here.
Anyway, I'm currently seeing Cayvie and Highroller as people of interest. Slightly concerned there appears to be so much general consensus on Cayvie. Highroller is kind of playing dumb again. I liked his D1, the fact he spent the entire time pushing a lynch on Town notwithstanding, but since then, it's been kind of hmmm. The mass claim argument is also kind of a Highroller thing I believe, which he'd probably have to suggest as scum in order to be consistent. But there are merits to it.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
If Terry played some weird game around his role being related to yours but it actually is just that he chose you to protect and you're a wolf, I lose to Terry playing games with his claim and I'm ~fine with that
I'd like to win but if he straight up lied about what his role does I dunno what I'm supposed to do about it, I'm not going to question people's claims after they flip town that's on them lmao
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Did a Cayvie ISO and I didn't find a smoking gun. There are a few townish things, but nothing that really made me reconsider my read.
@Proph for distancing purposes is the obvious reason. There are others but we have to assume that CC knew she was a sinking ship at the start of D2 and that her buddies were aware of that.
I agree but to me it's a matter of degrees. Cayvie should absolutely claim when they post. Because there are definitely enough votes to enter claim range.
Since we have that already I think keeping everything else under wraps till the claim and probable majority makes sense. Tomorrow I'll be in favor of a mass claim.
What benefit do we have in delaying it? If we're going to mass claim anyway, delaying only benefits the mafia.
That's just simply not true. If we have another PR lurking and a mass claim outs them we lose the benefit of them operating in peace rather than mafia killing presumably me.
It gives the mafia an informed NK on a day when it doesn't inform our actions at all. If this day was in flux at all I'd be in favor of a mass claim but given we're scripted on Cayvie there is no point in leaking any information to scum before the night phase.
Okay let's take a look at the CropCircles interactions.
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Initial thoughts: I think nothing of the supposed claims and posting restrictions, or whatever is going on there. I don't think anything can be gleaned from that. I think the early pile on ZDS was a bit unwarranted, and subsequently a bit sus. I'm also not a fan of of Prophylaxis calling attention to low posters so early. Seems like planting seeds early to justify votes later.
That's all I got for now.
He chooses to soft defend ZDS here as well as shade someone he knows is town (me). Props to ZDS for catching CC on (literally) his first post of the game, but the thing I find intriguing here is that Silver asks him a softball question of sorts to CropCircles
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When you say the early pile on is "a bit sus" are you thinking of anyone in particular or just the wagon in general
to which CC replies:
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The initial accusation isn't suspect, just the piggyback votes from Rodemy and Dk.
So CC soft shades the Rodemy slot/DK here.
This post is where CC OMGUSes ZDS - given that the post is mainly focused on ZDS (and to a lesser extent me) I can't really get much out of this post specifically - mostly because it's overtly focused on ZDS.
CC asks a bookkeeping question to Vaimes and I vote CC here. Here he continues to tunnel ZDS while I engage with CC here. Honestly a bunch of this early stuff is pretty useless given that CC isn't a major focus yet.
A thing that makes me townread Amy a little bit is that I'm not sure if both Rodemy AND CropCircles go for the deathtunnel on ZDS. It feels risky to me for both scumbuddies to impale themselves on a sword to lunch ZDS.
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If I was going to vote someone atm it would be CC because his posts and stance on ZDS and how it changed are just not making sense to me. His responses to ZDS after his weird as hell vote also match more with the over defensiveness that I was referring to eariler unlike Highroller who looks like he is really scum hunting in his responses. CC looks scared and lost and just doing simple replies like a deer in the headlights. ZDS comes out way ahead in their exchange and considering how much I push ZDS early most games that takes some doing.
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I have the most reasons to vote here all 3 of the top wagons are good atm though based off current content. DK and JT are too low content to be valid trains just yet imo.
vote : CropCircles42
hm
These are Jack's last posts before he replaced out and he voted CC before cayvie replaced in. So it looks kiind of good for cayvie here, but her disappearing right now is (as Axel pointed out) not great.
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That said, I have light townreads on Grape, Highroller, CropCircles, Silver, Proph, ZDS, and Rod.
eh
I feeeeeel like scum!Vaimes would have more to say about his scumbuddy throughout Day 1? Not just be like "I'm intentionally ignoring him/I think he might be a Zionite" as he was
idk, I would just expect scum Vaimes to have some sort of comment or blurb about his first couple of posts if he's CC's buddy
Gonna split this up into another post so that I don't get too wall-y, but there's not much in the first five pages, mostly because everyone ignored CC except for the people who flipped town (JT/ZDS). The cayvie slot looks a tiny bit better because Jack voted CC relatively early, Amy looks better because I don't think both Rodemy and CC would deathtunnel CC - those are the two impressions I got.
Especially this vote count, where Silver chooses to tie the votes on a scum wagon vs a town wagon
Would scum Silver really try to save a struggling scumbuddy by gunning for active town ZDS or just bus CC? hm
@Silver - I don't know your scum meta very well. How would you describe you play scum?
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Okay, just finished rereading. Here's what I got.
I'm skipping ZDS, obviously. I still think he is the most likely to be scum for reasons previously stated. I'm also not posting any thoughts on Vaimes and Highroller. I wrote "something about a bird" in my notes and I think that pretty much sums it up.
Silver: I get generally good vibes from his posts. One thing that stuck out to me was his coy unjustified vote to see if anyone called him on it. Seems more like a townie type of poking around. Reading town.
Rodemy: He pushed on ZDS early, which I like. Hasn't really done much else, but with valid reason. No read.
Prophylaxis: His early lurker push looked like scum trying to look like they are contributing while not adding anything of value, but that's a moot point given both his level of contribution and his push to get others to contribute. Reading town.
Grapefruit21: I don't get any particular vibe from his posts one way or the other, but I generally agree with his reads. The one exception being his town read of ZDS. Leaning town read.
Axelrod: Not getting anything one way or the other. One thing I remember about Ax is that I could never read him, so this is pretty unsurprising. No read.
JoeTerry: His posting of notes is suspect to me. While there are some opinions in there, it's buried in a lot of meaningless recap. When I write notes, I put them in a file so they're easy to add to or edit as I go. That makes sense to me. I don't see what the value of posting them in the thread unless you just want to make sure everyone else knows that you're taking notes. Seems to be prioritizing appearances over functionality or efficiency.
Also that last bit about getting tunneled seems pretty defeatist and prematurely defensive. "Hope that helps, I doubt it will because you already seem like you're tunneled. It's almost a sure thing that anyone who posts anything substantial like I did to catch up, will be attacked because it's content, content that people can like or dislike."
Plenty of people are posting content and not taking heat for it. Seems like he's setting up a "this always happens to me" defense while preemptively trying to discredit anyone who would question him.
That being said, if he does this every game as he says he does than I guess it's a non-tell. It still feels suspect to me, but I'll give it a pass for now. Reading as mildly questionable.
Gonna split this into a 2nd post.
Big post from CC here.
The part where he says "I'm not posting any thoughts on Vaimes and Highroller" kiiiiiiiiind of makes me think that he didn't want to read through all of their posts when "rereading", so that gives me good vibes about both of them. (To explain this better, I can see a world where CC just ignores town Vaimes and town Highroller because he doesn't want to read through their posts, and I think that scum CC would want to read his buddy's posts). Obviously not a super definitive read but that's my logic.
Reads me and Silver town.
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At this point, I'm putting DK, JoeTerry, and Jack (in that order) as my most suspicious after ZDS. I'm not abandoning the ZDS wagon, but we can always come back to it.
I kind of hate Rule of Three, especially since it burned me in one particularly memorable champs wildcard game, but if we buy into that theory then it would make the Jack slot scum here.
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##vote: CropCircles
i don't think the shade on proph is real - i think to look at that list and think "yeah proph's gonna point to this later when he votes a lowposter" is frankly absurd. and the series of posts i scrolled past to get to this textbox would seem to indicate a stronger scumread of jack than of the person he actually voted, and contain a Rule of 3 list as well
This being her first post immediately upon replacing in reflects well on her
Especially these?
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actually hm. the way CC talks about jack is interesting. need to calibrate
also gonna ##unvote because i think i might have put CC to L-2? and i don't wanna do that when i just got here
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the way CC handles DK and jack is really reminiscent of the way wolves handle a PoE villager vs a PoE wolf; one player (the wolf) is pushed with more legitimate reasoning, but then the other player (the villager) is the one that gets voted
what throws a monkey wrench into the whole thing is that the reason the reads on the wolf are more legitimate is usually because they're correct and a consequence of TMI; the issue here is that one of CC's points against jack involves jack wanting to tie CC and ZDS together in a world where CC is town.
this... reads as unnecessary shade, if CC and jack are partners. it's laying it on quite thick. it could be an effort to make them look unaligned, if CC thinks they're going down and wants to try to spew jack out of the PoE? but in a world where all wolves are confident in their survival abilities, or are posting just to produce Content, i'm not sure it's an interaction that comes naturally to teammates
so i guess that's a really convoluted way of saying "this looks w/w on the surface but i actually think it might not be"
i do need to figure out what it might mean for DK in a CC w/jack v world. gut instinct is to say villa... but then, why the weird discrepancy in who CC cases vs who CC votes? pure cognitive dissonance without agenda? CC legit not realizing that their points against jack sound a fair bit stronger than their points against DK? idk.
this post is probably at least 80% incomprehensible and i apologize
think this looks pretty good for Amy in light of CC's flip and the fact that I think cayvie is scum
don't think scum Amy replaces in and dunks on CC and potential scum cayvie this hard?
This is about the time where cayvie/WMU replace in.
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Looking back, I think I misread his exchange with Highroller. I thought he was signaling something. My general vibe from him has been leaning town, so I was content to not look into him further, but now I may need to reevaluate.
This kind of solidifies the "CC knows Vaimes is town and doesn't want to bother reading his posts" read I have.
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Hum. Cayvie and WMU can be villagers.
Amy I'm going to continue to town read off of Rodemy's posts.
I don't much care who gets executed as long as it isn't Highroller/Cayvie/Amy/WMU/Vaimes tbqh, there's less than 36 hours left in the phase.
eh
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I *do* think I am probably? not within my wolf range? I'm more aggressive as a wolf, almost certainly would have picked a fight with someone over something "objectively wolfy" they did because it's easy content and I struggle most with finding things to say as a wolf whereas I'm not concerned with "appearing to lurk" as a villager and tend towards giving the benefit of the doubt, particularly on Day 1. But I would only expect that to mean anything to people who have played with me a lot or at least read/remember a lot of my games (might just be tom at this point, maybe Vaimes)
suppose this answers my Silver question wrt. his scum meta
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well turns out im gonna be busy for the next hour or 2 so vote: cropcircles
and here's when CC claims Friendly Neighbor and cayvie just votes CC anyways
again, I struggle to see town process "fn claim" and then go "vote CC"
Gun to head I think the team is Cayvie/CropCircles/Silver, imo
@Proph There's basically no chance I manufacture the whole charade with CC if we're partners, I'd never trust my wolf game enough to create a dichotomy where I know my partner is going to go down (and I would've gone after him harder, there's no point handling my partner with kid gloves if I'm bussing d2, I know he's a wolf and I'm after the town cred lmao)
I think you're clearing Amy off of her day 1 a little too quickly, given CropCircles didn't actually get executed d1.
But I think we just dunk Cayvie here we can hash out the rest toMorrow. I know I said I was going to do analysis but game feels pretty much locked and it's kind of demotivating to see a bunch of people just look at my d1 play and say I'm a wolf lmao.
If Cayvie's not a wolf situation is a bit dire but if she is game feels pretty much locked and we can't lose until f3 at the latest so like, whatever I guess, if she's a wolf and you guys need to misexecute me to solve that's ~fine
Also leaving out the bits where I tried to swing wagons off of both ZDS and CC which makes no sense, I had a pre-existing wolf read on ZDS so I could have just kept voting him to keep my partner alive (and I even had the great excuse that I wanted to keep the claim alive) instead of doing all the "trying to find an alternate wagon" nonsense
Idk I just feel like my wolf game is being over-evaluated lmao I am *not* a good wolf and I'm pretty sure the tactics being ascribed to me are either beyond my capabilities or are things I wouldn't do because they sound dumb lol
that's not... a terrible place to be at? really if anything it points to this game's progression being "dunk cayvie -> figure it out"
problem of course becomes that this game gets REAL hard if cayvie's town, but it seems positionally unlikely at this point
But I can wait for everyone to check in first.
quote this post to laugh at me if we lose
would appreciate if she answered my questions about her eod1 if/when she gets back
will try rereading tonight to see what falls out
gj axel
My other big effort was the Proph/CC interactions and I think it looks really good for Proph. There is always the chance that they went with plan bus/distance from the jump but to me it feels like CC was trying to kill a townie.
I really think it's Cayvie here. The reads wall from CC on Jack just feels buddyish to me. The specific focus on the "lost and scared" doesn't but the rest does.
Axel/Grape are confirmed villagers
Highroller is still town
Leaves Vaimes/Amy/Proph/Cayvie
It's currently 6/2 so we should have 2 executions to hit a wolf?
Kind of yeah just want to yeet Cayvie off a cliff but I'm going to do some work this phase off of crop circles day one
What confirms Axelrod is telling the truth?
I've always known Angel to mean a doctor.
Apparently Angel, according to MafiaWiki, has referred to either a cop or a doctor.
Except, both of those roles are both targeted.
So what does Angel mean on this site?
He would not specify what the "targeted" part meant.
Axelrod
Grapefruit21
Highroller
Vaimes
silvercrys3467
Rodemy r. Ampharos
Jackrito r. Cayvie
(borrowing proph's playerlist cause it's easier to reach)
let's assume 2 wolves left and no 3ps. means we're currently 6/2 (interestingly i thought this was a 13p game until now. 12 is kinda odd but ok)
if cayvie dies and flips w, and there's no shenanigans overnight, it becomes 5/1 - and if we misdunk there, it's mylo
so essentially we're looking at a gamestate where we've got 1 more free misdunk + a sleep
...i don't think that highroller post is as bad as i initially thought
but it's still odd
my main point in favor of calling silver a busser yesterday was the implication that CC's play wouldn't be to throw himself upon the sword of a viillager - but then, what SHOULD his play have been?
an important thing to keep in mind is that CC proooobably didn't realize that roleblocked players would be notified of such, given his play yesterday - so perhaps he picked a villager and was banking on claiming roleblocked?
(i also want to say i'm inclined to think this means there's no scum roleblocker, but i suppose if they thought the roleblocked didn't notify that doesn't nececssarily have to be true)
so my point is like... if you're gonna name a partner, especially one who wasn't looking to be immediately killed (i.e. not-cayvie), you may as well have them clear you, yeah? buy yourself some extra time - the charade doesn't really fall apart until later on, and you've still got a full team to work with. thinking from a wolf's perspective, a bus there feels like a plan that's a lot less likely to lead to a net positive outcome
so if i take silver out of my PoE, it narrows to cayvie and proph. and i still dunno if i'm scumreading proph. so like... what the ****
and then you've got squintworthy poe-expanding posts coming in from highroller that make me feel better about not instantly locking in that poe so
fun times
ok so hrm.
so why do you claim that without a plan...?
and if your plan is "try to 1 for 1 with a villager" then why pick silver of all people? why not something you're more likely to win?
are my expectations of CC's wolf play too high? i don't THINK they are, but like...
Interesting. I'm going to have to ask Rhand a few things.
Speaking of which, Hey Rhand? May we please have the first post updated to show accurate living/dead populations? Thank you!
Why?
Did I miss something?
I was not aware that there were different definitions for that role on different sites
If Cayvie wasn't such an obvious choice then maybe but as it is we claim no earlier than tomorrow.
- why are you doubting axelrod's claim
- why do you want a massclaim
Why are YOU reacting as though Axelrod were confirmed?
Seriously? We caught CropCircles by finding a fault in his role claim, didn't we?
Case in point: The sooner we force the mafia to claim, the harder it will be for them to lie convincingly.
They were only going to survive if they could prove they were town.
Granted I was defending CC for a long time but there would have been enough votes until the claim.
No stones thrown there.
Since we have that already I think keeping everything else under wraps till the claim and probable majority makes sense. Tomorrow I'll be in favor of a mass claim.
A villager being forced to protect a wolf is ~probably beyond bastard, lol, so I'm just going to clear Axel/Grape on that basis
If Terry got to choose his target in pregame and decided to dance around his claim and this is some huge gambit by Axel/Grape I think I just lose to Terry not openly claiming tbh it isn't worth spending brainpower on
Anyway, I'm currently seeing Cayvie and Highroller as people of interest. Slightly concerned there appears to be so much general consensus on Cayvie. Highroller is kind of playing dumb again. I liked his D1, the fact he spent the entire time pushing a lynch on Town notwithstanding, but since then, it's been kind of hmmm. The mass claim argument is also kind of a Highroller thing I believe, which he'd probably have to suggest as scum in order to be consistent. But there are merits to it.
I'd like to win but if he straight up lied about what his role does I dunno what I'm supposed to do about it, I'm not going to question people's claims after they flip town that's on them lmao
I'll be back later tonight with analysis, just been busy with work and lazy when I get out of it
@Proph for distancing purposes is the obvious reason. There are others but we have to assume that CC knew she was a sinking ship at the start of D2 and that her buddies were aware of that.
It gives the mafia an informed NK on a day when it doesn't inform our actions at all. If this day was in flux at all I'd be in favor of a mass claim but given we're scripted on Cayvie there is no point in leaking any information to scum before the night phase.
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Clearly I am too online.
Anyway.
Grape
Proph
Vaimes/Axel
Highroller/Silver/Ampharos
Cayvie
I probably should downgrade Vaimes but I can't help but trust a pelican. The uncolored tier is in order of towniness.
He chooses to soft defend ZDS here as well as shade someone he knows is town (me). Props to ZDS for catching CC on (literally) his first post of the game, but the thing I find intriguing here is that Silver asks him a softball question of sorts to CropCircles
to which CC replies:
So CC soft shades the Rodemy slot/DK here.
This post is where CC OMGUSes ZDS - given that the post is mainly focused on ZDS (and to a lesser extent me) I can't really get much out of this post specifically - mostly because it's overtly focused on ZDS.
CC asks a bookkeeping question to Vaimes and I vote CC here. Here he continues to tunnel ZDS while I engage with CC here. Honestly a bunch of this early stuff is pretty useless given that CC isn't a major focus yet.
A thing that makes me townread Amy a little bit is that I'm not sure if both Rodemy AND CropCircles go for the deathtunnel on ZDS. It feels risky to me for both scumbuddies to impale themselves on a sword to lunch ZDS.
hm
These are Jack's last posts before he replaced out and he voted CC before cayvie replaced in. So it looks kiind of good for cayvie here, but her disappearing right now is (as Axel pointed out) not great.
eh
I feeeeeel like scum!Vaimes would have more to say about his scumbuddy throughout Day 1? Not just be like "I'm intentionally ignoring him/I think he might be a Zionite" as he was
idk, I would just expect scum Vaimes to have some sort of comment or blurb about his first couple of posts if he's CC's buddy
Gonna split this up into another post so that I don't get too wall-y, but there's not much in the first five pages, mostly because everyone ignored CC except for the people who flipped town (JT/ZDS). The cayvie slot looks a tiny bit better because Jack voted CC relatively early, Amy looks better because I don't think both Rodemy and CC would deathtunnel CC - those are the two impressions I got.
Especially this vote count, where Silver chooses to tie the votes on a scum wagon vs a town wagon
Would scum Silver really try to save a struggling scumbuddy by gunning for active town ZDS or just bus CC? hm
@Silver - I don't know your scum meta very well. How would you describe you play scum?
Big post from CC here.
The part where he says "I'm not posting any thoughts on Vaimes and Highroller" kiiiiiiiiind of makes me think that he didn't want to read through all of their posts when "rereading", so that gives me good vibes about both of them. (To explain this better, I can see a world where CC just ignores town Vaimes and town Highroller because he doesn't want to read through their posts, and I think that scum CC would want to read his buddy's posts). Obviously not a super definitive read but that's my logic.
Reads me and Silver town.
I kind of hate Rule of Three, especially since it burned me in one particularly memorable champs wildcard game, but if we buy into that theory then it would make the Jack slot scum here.
This being her first post immediately upon replacing in reflects well on her
Especially these?
think this looks pretty good for Amy in light of CC's flip and the fact that I think cayvie is scum
don't think scum Amy replaces in and dunks on CC and potential scum cayvie this hard?
This is about the time where cayvie/WMU replace in.
This kind of solidifies the "CC knows Vaimes is town and doesn't want to bother reading his posts" read I have.
eh
suppose this answers my Silver question wrt. his scum meta
and here's when CC claims Friendly Neighbor and cayvie just votes CC anyways
again, I struggle to see town process "fn claim" and then go "vote CC"
Gun to head I think the team is Cayvie/CropCircles/Silver, imo
He even reluctantly rule of 3'd the same post I did and the vibe on just trying to ignore Vaimes.
I think you're clearing Amy off of her day 1 a little too quickly, given CropCircles didn't actually get executed d1.
But I think we just dunk Cayvie here we can hash out the rest toMorrow. I know I said I was going to do analysis but game feels pretty much locked and it's kind of demotivating to see a bunch of people just look at my d1 play and say I'm a wolf lmao.
If Cayvie's not a wolf situation is a bit dire but if she is game feels pretty much locked and we can't lose until f3 at the latest so like, whatever I guess, if she's a wolf and you guys need to misexecute me to solve that's ~fine
Idk I just feel like my wolf game is being over-evaluated lmao I am *not* a good wolf and I'm pretty sure the tactics being ascribed to me are either beyond my capabilities or are things I wouldn't do because they sound dumb lol
I haven’t forgotten about y’all though.
Cayvie hasn’t responded to her prod. Looking for a replacement.
We should just lunch cayvie and save Rhand the trouble of finding a replacement yea?