Page 5 Takeaways...
-I like Proph's comment on Jack's stance on Axel, even though I did the exact same thing to Axel, but I have my reasons.
-More worthless posts from Vaimes
-CC threatening to get serious!? Yikes! I better back off.
-DK confirms his crumbs
-DK with content! It doesn't seem overly helpful, but at least there's something there. Not sure what to make of the content itself yet.
-I'm liking Proph's content more and more as the game goes. Can't wait till he tears into me!
@CropCircles: I couldn't help but notice you didn't take much of a stance on Vaimes in your recent catch up post. Whatcha got on Vaimes?
Looking back, I think I misread his exchange with Highroller. I thought he was signaling something. My general vibe from him has been leaning town, so I was content to not look into him further, but now I may need to reevaluate.
CC didn't take my obvious bait. It just means that CC isn't obvious scum. Recalibrating...
Why would you set obvious bait?
@Ampharos: While I appreciate that you thought my points about Jackrito were good, I disagree that they were better than my points about Dk. I get a vibe of a reluctant mindset from Dk, but I don't really know what to make of Jack. His posts leave me feeling more just kind of incredulous. Which is suspect in it's own right, but my feelings on Dk are more certain.
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He gave DK a "Leaning scum read" so him being at the top (and getting the vote) is fine, but he gave JoeTerry a "Reading as mildly questionable" and Jack a "Reading as questionable". Based on CC's own words the order should be Dkings/Jack/JoeTerry, not Dkings/JoeTerry/Jack.
Yeah I was going back and forth on how I felt about Jack because I don't know what to make of a lot of his posts. I changed the order in my final summary and downgraded him, but I didn't think to adjust that part.
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Before anyone says I'm nitpicking, we are talking about someone who analysed the use of the words "but" and "though". Words matter to CropCircles. By the way, did you know a long time ago he single-handedly got the whole community to treat the word "honestly" as a scum-tell? Words matter to CropCircles.
Page 5 Takeaways...
-I like Proph's comment on Jack's stance on Axel, even though I did the exact same thing to Axel, but I have my reasons.
-More worthless posts from Vaimes
-CC threatening to get serious!? Yikes! I better back off.
-DK confirms his crumbs
-DK with content! It doesn't seem overly helpful, but at least there's something there. Not sure what to make of the content itself yet.
-I'm liking Proph's content more and more as the game goes. Can't wait till he tears into me!
Is it weird I feel like Proph is misremembering Seasons because I caught his wolf partner d1 off of a vague feeling and he's remembering that as me being "on the ball"
Maybe that means he's town though because I dunno if he would like, accuse me of not being on the ball after catching him on page one if that was what he was remembering
#justruminatingthings
vote: Terry
Hi Terry
Please say more words about me than "I have concerns" -- I may not be as high volume as usual but I have certainly posted things you could and should have thoughts on
Well up until your last two posts, most of your posts were directed questions and one liners with very little content. I get the mobile posting challenges, but one of my personal eye-brow raisers is asking directed questions to look busy and involved. You may be doing that as town or scum, but either way it leaves a bit to be desired.
Come on, Silver, you know deep down inside what I'm saying is true. You probably feel self-conscious about it and that's why you're voting me right now. You wish you've been posting a bit better but haven't got bitten by this game yet.
This is a wolf who knows I'm a villager (maybe)
and then going "Hmmmm that's actually maybe a thing. Okay downgrading Terry."
like, i can believe that silver would see terry's post and get heebie jeebies from it. but i feel like that's the sort of read that usually only the person being TMI'ed is gonna be able to feel like that. i certainly don't, and i tend to be hypersensitive to TMI.
@Highroller what's the endgame of your insistence about stanning? That Proph must be scum trying to appease people? Or not even must just is scum indicative? Because yes trying to appease people can be a scum tactic but it's not strong on it's own. I'm not even really opposed to scum reading Proph here I just think this is weak reasoning. But I'm probably done talking about it because I think you're town and I'm not really interested in defending Proph here.
@Ampharos Hi! I'm curious what you think of my read of CC? I agree witb you tbat the Jack/DK thing is intriguing but I think the other stuff with ZDS points to him being town.
i... don't think it moves the needle in either direction for me? i think i've already mentioned that i frankly disagree with their take on proph's content. would have to go back and reread the ZDS sequence
I was overly excited about Denver beating LA... Ohhh you meant the "kill me when I'm right" that was snark because so many people are scum reading ZDS and people would assume I knew it was t/t because I was scum.
question for grapefruit: what about it do you think is towny?
It's not universal but an early reversal on a read like that is more common for townies. Going from "this pile on is suspicious [ergo this person is clean]" to "actually I'm going to join" is the right sort of contradictory. It's a natural if jagged evolution of thought. Not pure band wagoning, but clearly thinking about things even if I disagree with the conclusions.
@Cayvie Hi! In my defense I thought he'd ignored my activity being crap which made it more noteworthy (singling out Silver over me).
Anyone following sports? I heard that if the Wild matches up against the Magic in the semi's, the Raiders will have a chance to beat the A's and Cristiano Ronaldo will probably score against Serena Williams for a great final.
Page 5 Takeaways...
-I like Proph's comment on Jack's stance on Axel, even though I did the exact same thing to Axel, but I have my reasons.
-More worthless posts from Vaimes
-CC threatening to get serious!? Yikes! I better back off.
-DK confirms his crumbs
-DK with content! It doesn't seem overly helpful, but at least there's something there. Not sure what to make of the content itself yet.
-I'm liking Proph's content more and more as the game goes. Can't wait till he tears into me!
I was overly excited about Denver beating LA... Ohhh you meant the "kill me when I'm right" that was snark because so many people are scum reading ZDS and people would assume I knew it was t/t because I was scum.
ok that makes sense
@Cayvie Hi! In my defense I thought he'd ignored my activity being crap which made it more noteworthy (singling out Silver over me).
how does him ignoring you while focusing on, presumably, town!silvercrys make him scummier?
@Highroller what's the endgame of your insistence about stanning?
To point out that you are being wrong on the internet.
Also, I disagree with downplaying suspicions on Prophylaxis.
That Proph must be scum trying to appease people? Or not even must just is scum indicative? Because yes trying to appease people can be a scum tactic but it's not strong on it's own.
"His being disingenuous is not a reason to be suspicious of him! He could still be town!" is not as strong of an argument as you think it is, Grape.
It's a valid reason for suspicion, especially when it is causing him to make erroneous and inaccurate judgments about people.
His salient contributions to the game were - and indeed still continue to be -
Starting the CC wagon. Does that not matter? Granted, most players voting him came to their own conclusions about him, typically as a result of catching-up/re-reading. So you could argue I merely happened to be first and the wagon would have happened regardless of my input.
At best it is a myopia to what is actually going on in-game,
when you haven't been relevant since page 2~3.
Who wants to be the one to tell ZDS that he's tied for CropCircles in terms of votes, and has had a wagon on him since page 1?
Like, I'll happily concede you are more relevant - though, for the reasons mentioned in the previous sentence, I question whether or not being the more topical player is the positive you make it out to be. Having said that, I would suggest using your energies less on arguing whether or not you're more relevant, and more on arguing why you're not mafia. Yes? Sound good?
1) Ok, first off it's post 20, are you really diving that deep? That being said, I didn't feel drawing a distinction between Highroller's claim and Rod's justified a vote on ZDS, which he straight up says was to end RVS, which could be interpreted as forcing.
uhhh, i'm a little confused here
You're saying that drawing the distinction between Rodemy's roleplaying and Highroller's claim could be interpreted as forcing? You literally said that you thought it "seemed forced". Why are you now saying "it could be interpreted as forcing"? It could be me misunderstanding things but the fact that you're wording this from a third-party POV "it could be interpreted as forcing" doesn't make me feel good
Got it, re the posts you are agreeing with me on. Kind of a nitpicky question but why did you highlight specifically post 130? I reread that post and it was me bringing up Rodemy meta from 6 years ago, calling myself a ZDS stan, and then asking CC some questions. Don't specifically see what exactly in that post is so agreeable unless you liked my questions or something? (Or the "ignoring Rodemy because he's Rodemy", though I suppose that point is moot now that he is Amy)
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4) Jack's catch up looks like he's analyzing the game. You don't have to agree with him but you could at least see that he's looking critically at the game.
I.. really don't think he was thinking about the game super duper critically? I and others have pointed out a fair number of problems with his posts.
I guess you can call me tunneled but I think that's fine for Day 1? Interrogate someone, find problems with their responses, and force them to explain themself is what I've been doing for most of Today and I think it's provided me with some success (depending on what you/CC/Jackslot flips I guess)
At the time Terry being so low, ZDS being so low, Rod and DK being so high were the main things.
Because it would have been really easy to ignore that vote by Rod due to the posting restriction and Rod's general reputation. Digging deeper shows a nice curiosity.
dk was kind of in the smack middle there, you think that was "that high"? I guess maybe since you actively think he is mafia
Fair point on JT, not completely sure if I buy it but I thiiiiiink I like your thought process coming to that read?
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okay so here's CC's three big posts of content
idk if I buy it? his town/scum list feels fairly inoffensive to me - it's hard to really track his thoughts wrt his townreads of me, silver, and GF. the real intriguing part of his readslist to me, and the part where you can sorta see the wheels churning in cropcircle's head, is the section on JT
the part about JT being slightly defeatist/defensive tracks with how he ended his posts on both me and Silver:
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Come on, Silver, you know deep down inside what I'm saying is true. You probably feel self-conscious about it and that's why you're voting me right now. You wish you've been posting a bit better but haven't got bitten by this game yet.
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Hope that helps, I doubt it will because you already seem like you're tunneled. It's almost a sure thing that anyone who posts anything substantial like I did to catch up, will be attacked because it's content, content that people can like or dislike. You can like or dislike what I said, but I'm putting myself out there and giving my thoughts, I'm not hiding.
don't really know how i feel when CC posts stuff that warrants JT suspicion but ends it on the "i'll give it a pass for now". like, if they're buddies, this has to be... like TOO blatant
I will say that he brings up solid reasoning for suspecting dkings and Jack. It's a shame that both replaced out because then I can't really track how CC interrogates people he suspects. Ehhhh.
The fact that it's taken CC this long to provide some sort of content is kind of telling, and he's still not very inquisitive or scumhunting really? I'll keep reading on but I wouldn't cry if he was lynched. Idk if this is the right word for it but his post feels.. a little crafted? [here are some inoffensive townreads], [some people who I also suspect who are generally suspected by the players at large besides dkings]?
I'd appreciate more thoughts on his trio of posts there.
He's not saying "Silver you should read CropCircle's posts I think he's a wolf" he's saying "Silver, I think you're suspicious because you aren't town reading CropCircles who is being voted by all of your wolf suspects"
This is like, kind of why I'm continuing to wolf read you, too, the things you post just do not track with what I'm reading at all.
It's whatever the opposite of a mind meld is. A mind schism, maybe?
re: CC, I haven't really gotten anything from his posts so far, no.
Sure, he's said that he suspects you fairly recently, but from relatively early on in the game he was focused on CropCircles and pressuring him. You don't think he believes that, is what I'm trying to say?
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also leaning town on silvercrys, largely for how he responded to the early proph post that caused such a stir. he nailed the sweet spot of what i'll call "measured skepticism", where his reaction to proph looks like legitimate doubt - not a conspicuous underreaction, not a forced overreaction, but a legitimate natural questioning brought on by reading the posts. tl;dr villagery reaction
Okay, so I can buy that his reaction in 53 looks like legitimate thought, but I don't really follow why you think it's a villagery reaction. Like, I can see worlds where scum Silver is confused about what I'm saying but wants me to say more. Can you expand a little more on this (and also what you think of the rest of Silver's posts)?
FTR I have Silver as a hard null right now/maybe very slightly leaning scum
I can sort of understand your thought process looking at the posts you made today, but the posts you pulled out feel a little scattershot.
i skimmed everything, yeah
why is that worth shading? i just subbed in.
why skimmed, is hard for you to read through 300 posts?
How do you scumhunt usually?
i mean it's not that hard exactly but i don't think it's that necessary or useful to close read first thing, without knowing what i'm looking for. i find real-time interaction and getting feels for people much more useful, especially d1. then once things start to clarify, i can start to read back over people's isos for associations.
I can sort of understand your thought process looking at the posts you made today, but the posts you pulled out feel a little scattershot.
i skimmed everything, yeah
why is that worth shading? i just subbed in.
why skimmed, is hard for you to read through 300 posts?
How do you scumhunt usually?
i mean it's not that hard exactly but i don't think it's that necessary or useful to close read first thing, without knowing what i'm looking for. i find real-time interaction and getting feels for people much more useful, especially d1. then once things start to clarify, i can start to read back over people's isos for associations.
Do you expect real time interactions in such long days to be a thing?
For the bolded, i know you are an experienced player, how come you don't know what you are looking for?
Do you expect real time interactions in such long days to be a thing?
i mean, yeah? they basically already have been.
For the bolded, i know you are an experienced player, how come you don't know what you are looking for?
i'm talking about things like trying to answer "do x and y make sense as scum partners?" or "z claimed this, does this make sense with their earlier play?"
@ZDS: You acknowledged I don't believe my suspects are the exact wolf team; I'm not sure what the distinction is between that and "there's probably a wolf voting him" but there isn't one for me lol
I'll put this issue under "ways we think differently" and worry about it when I need to.
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Even coming from JoeTerry, #349, #350, #351 and #356 are a lot of nothing. The shift between #306 (and prior) and these makes me think he has already entered damage control mode, assuming he isn't simply distracted by outside-the-game factors.
@JoeTerry Please don't ignore me. Tell us everything that went on behind the scenes of #305. What obvious bait did you set, what did CC (not) do to not fall for it, and what does that mean for CC?
As long as you don't answer I will assume you are doing one of your poorly thought-outs scum gambits like the ones you pulled in Voldemort.
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CropCircles' response to me in #355 is fair in a completely non-telling way.
@CC It's out of topic, but FYI, you had a legacy that remained after you faded away. I saw a few new players here (back then) use the word "honestly" as a scum-tell without themselves knowing they were parroting an argument you had made in a game some time before (at least I think it was you). Obligatory
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cayvie highlighted in #357 one of the interactions that make me think CC/JT/GF make sense as a team. I'm not sure it means much in a town-JT world, especially considering iirc Grape has since changed his mind again on JT (which goes against the scum-GF smelling town-JT's blood in the water interpretation).
@cayvie You have not said anything about the two big wagons of the Day (on CC and on me).
1) Why?
2) What are your thoughts about each of CropCircles and me?
It's not universal but an early reversal on a read like that is more common for townies. Going from "this pile on is suspicious [ergo this person is clean]" to "actually I'm going to join" is the right sort of contradictory. It's a natural if jagged evolution of thought. Not pure band wagoning, but clearly thinking about things even if I disagree with the conclusions.
It's called OMGUS (for "Oh My God, U Suck") and there's nothing deep about it. Town do it on impulse in reaction to what they see as a bad or unfair vote, scum do it either to fake impulsiveness or to flip the attacker/attackee dynamic.
Having said that, I would suggest using your energies less on arguing whether or not you're more relevant, and more on arguing why you're not mafia. Yes? Sound good?
I would rather spend my energy on sharing my thoughts with the thread and catching scum, thank you very much.
don't really know how i feel when CC posts stuff that warrants JT suspicion but ends it on the "i'll give it a pass for now". like, if they're buddies, this has to be... like TOO blatant
There is no such thing as "too blatant", and the blatant buddy interactions between the two go both ways (CC -> JT and JT -> CC).
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I like WMU calling out cayvie in #382.
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My current scum-team stays the same although cayvie is making great strides in taking over Grape's slot with his suspiciously specific choice of posts/people to talk about.
@cayvie You have not said anything about the two big wagons of the Day (on CC and on me).
1) Why?
i didn't really understand why either of you were getting votes tbh, nothing stuck out particularly. is 2 votes considered a big wagon? that sounds like a way to fall into groupthink about "the narrative of the day" really fast and wind up deciding "well we've got to flip one of these two people".
2) What are your thoughts about each of CropCircles and me?
not much, tho this post irritates me
I like WMU calling out cayvie in #382.
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My current scum-team stays the same although cayvie is making great strides in taking over Grape's slot with his suspiciously specific choice of posts/people to talk about.
what does suspiciously specific even mean? like i'm not talking about the people you want me to talk about? *shrug*
Not agreeing with me but liking my process is usually the best way to handle my presence. My accuracy is not great.
Lurks around without moving my vote
@ZDS
I guess if I squint I can see him specifically posting the underlined to lampshade his scumminess and therefore appear towny, but other than that I'm not really feeling Grape as scum. He's had some assertive-ish posts here and there that make me okay with letting him breathe a little longer.
Initial thoughts: I think nothing of the supposed claims and posting restrictions, or whatever is going on there. I don't think anything can be gleaned from that. I think the early pile on ZDS was a bit unwarranted, and subsequently a bit sus. I'm also not a fan of of Prophylaxis calling attention to low posters so early. Seems like planting seeds early to justify votes later.
That's all I got for now.
These are vague and safe non-stances ("the early pile on ZDS was a bit unwarranted", "not a fan of Prophylaxis calling attention to low posters so early"), which he turns into potential votes later on ("subsequently a bit sus", "planting seeds early to justify votes later").
And no the irony of accusing him of doing what he's accusing Proph of doing is not lost on me. But there's my second issue with this post: whereas Proph is experimenting by looking for lurkers too early and is ******* up as a result, CC hides carefully in a dark corner and seems to mostly focus on not ******* up. To bring back the digestive track, Proph had guts, CC has none.
It may only be a single post but it's far more worth pursuing than any of the current wagons IMO.
okay, good post. it's got that "i think i see something and im gonna call it out and magnify it and see how people respond" energy that you need to foster conversation.
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separately, but using some stuff from this post as an example
i'm put off by the dogmatic vibe i feel like i'm getting from a lot of posts in this game; "looking for lurkers too early" "******* up" from this post in particular, but certainly not just this post or this player. there seems to be an accepted house style of play here that folks get looked at askance for deviating from. in other words the default thought process seems to be "this player is doing something i wouldn't expect => therefore this player is scummy", which.
i'm gonna bristle against that attitude, just an fyi.
Your idea of "what mafia do" is the exact opposite of how I use my vote as mafia. This (and the following posts) and this are examples of how I vote as mafia. I carefully calculate who is the best target to pick, then spin a web of well-woven bull***** around them. I don't take random shots to see what happens.
And the part about voting first and finding reasons later is something I never do as either alignment and something that hasn't happened this game except in your dreams.
lmao this is p much the opposite of how i play as any alignment almost everything i do is a random shot to see what happens, and then look at the aftermath later.
After criticising my wagon, CropCircles42 decided to OMGUS vote me and be the unarguably worst vote on my wagon. That makes perfect sense (it doesn't). It feels good to find scum this early.
I like how you just ignore my points by focusing on the fact that I voted on you. You said I was taking a non-stance, when it was not a non-stance. It was a stance. Still not going to explain this inconsistency?
is this your primary reason that ZDS is your top scumread?
After criticising my wagon, CropCircles42 decided to OMGUS vote me and be the unarguably worst vote on my wagon. That makes perfect sense (it doesn't). It feels good to find scum this early.
I like how you just ignore my points by focusing on the fact that I voted on you. You said I was taking a non-stance, when it was not a non-stance. It was a stance. Still not going to explain this inconsistency?
is this your primary reason that ZDS is your top scumread?
let me clarify why i'm asking.
it reads to me like you disagree with the points that ZDS is making about you; specifically, his argument that you didn't take any stances.
I caught up only until post 111 during the day and I have read the Iso of my slot to understand why the vote. I will keep it because I think DK is a great player, I hope I will have the chance to play with him one day.
I agree that the +36 hours of the DP1 made me take it a little slower. Too late at me at over 10 pm to continue on the catch up so i will open an Iso on CC who was top wagon with 4 votes at the level of VC 1.5 P#279
P#79 his entrance looks forced for the idea that the game is moving fast (which is really odd) and the tone who is plain, but this thing is not wolfy in a vacuum. His thoughts are also things that can be posted by both AIs.
Knowing nothing about the scum range, i can speculate he is dangerous (probably? for sure? nah? idk...)
P#102 he said his thoughts are concise, if he wanted to make his post looking like this self awareness is not a good look. Though, making condensed posts is rather townie
Actually I like the tone of the vote justification there. The fail of formatting made me think he didn't play in a while, am I right @CC ? Nvm, P#128 says CC didn't play in a decade. Wow, that is some time.
P#302 is a catch up post presenting his take on the gamestate. Being complete and for almost everyone, i think i like it, but i have to read all the game to see how my own reads will match with his. What is interesting for me is P#303 who is nitpicky for DKs post#213 and puts an accusation because DK inserted 'but's and 'though's in his ideas. I mean, anyone who are not sure about his stances would insert such words to express he is not certain 100%.
I wish to know @CC why DK would deserve a vote for this without any question and without engaging with him in an interaction, and why, when i subbed in you unvoted in P#355? Do you think a sub is changing AI?
Also, what impression do you have about your wagon I posted above and why didn't you show much stress for being voted?
Is already getting late and i am slow like a turtle and i need to sleep, i will wait the answer from CC for the above question before asking another. Cya in the morning.
Side note: europeans are sleeping at bad hours for mafia :/
Do you expect real time interactions in such long days to be a thing?
i mean, yeah? they basically already have been.
For the bolded, i know you are an experienced player, how come you don't know what you are looking for?
i'm talking about things like trying to answer "do x and y make sense as scum partners?" or "z claimed this, does this make sense with their earlier play?"
I am used with spontaneous real time interactions, when the posts are one after another like in a tennis match. Can you tell me what posts do you consider as real time interactions?
I agree the last things are a base for associative reads and more complex analysis who should not exist so early in the game, i was talking about wolfy behaviour who can be spotted though.
Do you expect real time interactions in such long days to be a thing?
i mean, yeah? they basically already have been.
For the bolded, i know you are an experienced player, how come you don't know what you are looking for?
i'm talking about things like trying to answer "do x and y make sense as scum partners?" or "z claimed this, does this make sense with their earlier play?"
I am used with spontaneous real time interactions, when the posts are one after another like in a tennis match. Can you tell me what posts do you consider as real time interactions?
I agree the last things are a base for associative reads and more complex analysis who should not exist so early in the game, i was talking about wolfy behaviour who can be spotted though.
yeah im not about to try to figure out what generic "wolfy behavior" is in an alien meta when i've subbed into day 1. in my experience, every different site has its own assumptions as to what wolves do or don't do, and different sites often flat-out contradict each other. (e.g. is "being defensive" a wolfy or towny trait??). other people more familiar with this site's meta can do that stuff.
this right here is close enough to real time for me.
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I don't know the Huntsman flavor. Is he a bad guy?
is this a typical amount of snark for you, TRSJT?
why is vaimes town, why is terry mafia? that is the opposite of my gutread on the sitch between them on a skim
what?
Looking back, I think I misread his exchange with Highroller. I thought he was signaling something. My general vibe from him has been leaning town, so I was content to not look into him further, but now I may need to reevaluate. Why would you set obvious bait?
@Ampharos: While I appreciate that you thought my points about Jackrito were good, I disagree that they were better than my points about Dk. I get a vibe of a reluctant mindset from Dk, but I don't really know what to make of Jack. His posts leave me feeling more just kind of incredulous. Which is suspect in it's own right, but my feelings on Dk are more certain.
Yeah I was going back and forth on how I felt about Jack because I don't know what to make of a lot of his posts. I changed the order in my final summary and downgraded him, but I didn't think to adjust that part.
I honestly don't remember that.
going from "terry is town", seeing this post:
and then going "Hmmmm that's actually maybe a thing. Okay downgrading Terry."
i'm not buying it rn! >:|
also woah hi WMU/cayvie!
i reread it
question for grapefruit: what about it do you think is towny?
I was overly excited about Denver beating LA... Ohhh you meant the "kill me when I'm right" that was snark because so many people are scum reading ZDS and people would assume I knew it was t/t because I was scum.
It's not universal but an early reversal on a read like that is more common for townies. Going from "this pile on is suspicious [ergo this person is clean]" to "actually I'm going to join" is the right sort of contradictory. It's a natural if jagged evolution of thought. Not pure band wagoning, but clearly thinking about things even if I disagree with the conclusions.
@Cayvie Hi! In my defense I thought he'd ignored my activity being crap which made it more noteworthy (singling out Silver over me).
CropCircles42 (2): ZeDorkSlipeur, Prophylaxis
ZeDorkSlipeur (2): Highroller, Silvercrys3467
Grapefruit21 (1): cayvie
Jackrito (1): Grapefruit21
Prophylaxis (1): xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry (1): Vaimes
Not voting: Ampharos, Axelrod, CropCircles42, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
This votecount was created by sheer Force of Will. Hardcast for 3UU.
Day 1 Deadline is September 19, 7:00 AM GMT+1
alright, have a townread, why not
ok that makes sense
how does him ignoring you while focusing on, presumably, town!silvercrys make him scummier?
Also, I disagree with downplaying suspicions on Prophylaxis.
"His being disingenuous is not a reason to be suspicious of him! He could still be town!" is not as strong of an argument as you think it is, Grape.
It's a valid reason for suspicion, especially when it is causing him to make erroneous and inaccurate judgments about people.
Who wants to be the one to tell ZDS that he's tied for CropCircles in terms of votes, and has had a wagon on him since page 1?
Like, I'll happily concede you are more relevant - though, for the reasons mentioned in the previous sentence, I question whether or not being the more topical player is the positive you make it out to be. Having said that, I would suggest using your energies less on arguing whether or not you're more relevant, and more on arguing why you're not mafia. Yes? Sound good?
uhhh, i'm a little confused here
You're saying that drawing the distinction between Rodemy's roleplaying and Highroller's claim could be interpreted as forcing? You literally said that you thought it "seemed forced". Why are you now saying "it could be interpreted as forcing"? It could be me misunderstanding things but the fact that you're wording this from a third-party POV "it could be interpreted as forcing" doesn't make me feel good
Got it, re the posts you are agreeing with me on. Kind of a nitpicky question but why did you highlight specifically post 130? I reread that post and it was me bringing up Rodemy meta from 6 years ago, calling myself a ZDS stan, and then asking CC some questions. Don't specifically see what exactly in that post is so agreeable unless you liked my questions or something? (Or the "ignoring Rodemy because he's Rodemy", though I suppose that point is moot now that he is Amy)
I.. really don't think he was thinking about the game super duper critically? I and others have pointed out a fair number of problems with his posts.
I guess you can call me tunneled but I think that's fine for Day 1? Interrogate someone, find problems with their responses, and force them to explain themself is what I've been doing for most of Today and I think it's provided me with some success (depending on what you/CC/Jackslot flips I guess)
Fair point on JT, not completely sure if I buy it but I thiiiiiink I like your thought process coming to that read?
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okay so here's CC's three big posts of content
idk if I buy it? his town/scum list feels fairly inoffensive to me - it's hard to really track his thoughts wrt his townreads of me, silver, and GF. the real intriguing part of his readslist to me, and the part where you can sorta see the wheels churning in cropcircle's head, is the section on JT
the part about JT being slightly defeatist/defensive tracks with how he ended his posts on both me and Silver:
don't really know how i feel when CC posts stuff that warrants JT suspicion but ends it on the "i'll give it a pass for now". like, if they're buddies, this has to be... like TOO blatant
I will say that he brings up solid reasoning for suspecting dkings and Jack. It's a shame that both replaced out because then I can't really track how CC interrogates people he suspects. Ehhhh.
The fact that it's taken CC this long to provide some sort of content is kind of telling, and he's still not very inquisitive or scumhunting really? I'll keep reading on but I wouldn't cry if he was lynched. Idk if this is the right word for it but his post feels.. a little crafted? [here are some inoffensive townreads], [some people who I also suspect who are generally suspected by the players at large besides dkings]?
I'd appreciate more thoughts on his trio of posts there.
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Okay, so I can buy that his reaction in 53 looks like legitimate thought, but I don't really follow why you think it's a villagery reaction. Like, I can see worlds where scum Silver is confused about what I'm saying but wants me to say more. Can you expand a little more on this (and also what you think of the rest of Silver's posts)?
FTR I have Silver as a hard null right now/maybe very slightly leaning scum
are there supposed to be more posts quoted or linked there?
We'll see about possible deadline extensions but kind of just want to give replacements room to breathe and then move from there
What post(s) specifically do you have trouble understanding?
I can sort of understand your thought process looking at the posts you made today, but the posts you pulled out feel a little scattershot.
you said "here's CC's three big posts of content" but i don't see any CC posts in your post
i skimmed everything, yeah
why is that worth shading? i just subbed in.
And I'm not trying to shade you, I was just hoping to understand why you picked out the posts you did
Lurks around without moving my vote
they're just ones that caught my attention
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@ everyone
Before anything, is this kind of posting AI for Rodemy?
I don't remember such thing in the other game.
How do you scumhunt usually?
This kind of answers at my above post, but not 100%
i mean it's not that hard exactly but i don't think it's that necessary or useful to close read first thing, without knowing what i'm looking for. i find real-time interaction and getting feels for people much more useful, especially d1. then once things start to clarify, i can start to read back over people's isos for associations.
gotcha! tnx
Do you expect real time interactions in such long days to be a thing?
For the bolded, i know you are an experienced player, how come you don't know what you are looking for?
7-1 in sealed baby let's go
i mean, yeah? they basically already have been.
i'm talking about things like trying to answer "do x and y make sense as scum partners?" or "z claimed this, does this make sense with their earlier play?"
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Even coming from JoeTerry, #349, #350, #351 and #356 are a lot of nothing. The shift between #306 (and prior) and these makes me think he has already entered damage control mode, assuming he isn't simply distracted by outside-the-game factors.
@JoeTerry Please don't ignore me. Tell us everything that went on behind the scenes of #305. What obvious bait did you set, what did CC (not) do to not fall for it, and what does that mean for CC?
As long as you don't answer I will assume you are doing one of your poorly thought-outs scum gambits like the ones you pulled in Voldemort.
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CropCircles' response to me in #355 is fair in a completely non-telling way.
@CC It's out of topic, but FYI, you had a legacy that remained after you faded away. I saw a few new players here (back then) use the word "honestly" as a scum-tell without themselves knowing they were parroting an argument you had made in a game some time before (at least I think it was you). Obligatory
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cayvie highlighted in #357 one of the interactions that make me think CC/JT/GF make sense as a team. I'm not sure it means much in a town-JT world, especially considering iirc Grape has since changed his mind again on JT (which goes against the scum-GF smelling town-JT's blood in the water interpretation).
@cayvie You have not said anything about the two big wagons of the Day (on CC and on me).
1) Why?
2) What are your thoughts about each of CropCircles and me?
It's called OMGUS (for "Oh My God, U Suck") and there's nothing deep about it. Town do it on impulse in reaction to what they see as a bad or unfair vote, scum do it either to fake impulsiveness or to flip the attacker/attackee dynamic.
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I would rather spend my energy on sharing my thoughts with the thread and catching scum, thank you very much.
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There is no such thing as "too blatant", and the blatant buddy interactions between the two go both ways (CC -> JT and JT -> CC).
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I like WMU calling out cayvie in #382.
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My current scum-team stays the same although cayvie is making great strides in taking over Grape's slot with his suspiciously specific choice of posts/people to talk about. I'll put this issue under "ways we think differently" and worry about it when I need to.
i didn't really understand why either of you were getting votes tbh, nothing stuck out particularly. is 2 votes considered a big wagon? that sounds like a way to fall into groupthink about "the narrative of the day" really fast and wind up deciding "well we've got to flip one of these two people".
not much, tho this post irritates me
what does suspiciously specific even mean? like i'm not talking about the people you want me to talk about? *shrug*
I guess if I squint I can see him specifically posting the underlined to lampshade his scumminess and therefore appear towny, but other than that I'm not really feeling Grape as scum. He's had some assertive-ish posts here and there that make me okay with letting him breathe a little longer.
okay, good post. it's got that "i think i see something and im gonna call it out and magnify it and see how people respond" energy that you need to foster conversation.
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separately, but using some stuff from this post as an example
i'm put off by the dogmatic vibe i feel like i'm getting from a lot of posts in this game; "looking for lurkers too early" "******* up" from this post in particular, but certainly not just this post or this player. there seems to be an accepted house style of play here that folks get looked at askance for deviating from. in other words the default thought process seems to be "this player is doing something i wouldn't expect => therefore this player is scummy", which.
i'm gonna bristle against that attitude, just an fyi.
lmao this is p much the opposite of how i play as any alignment almost everything i do is a random shot to see what happens, and then look at the aftermath later.
is this your primary reason that ZDS is your top scumread?
let me clarify why i'm asking.
it reads to me like you disagree with the points that ZDS is making about you; specifically, his argument that you didn't take any stances.
can you walk me through why that makes him scum?
I agree that the +36 hours of the DP1 made me take it a little slower. Too late at me at over 10 pm to continue on the catch up so i will open an Iso on CC who was top wagon with 4 votes at the level of VC 1.5 P#279
P#79 his entrance looks forced for the idea that the game is moving fast (which is really odd) and the tone who is plain, but this thing is not wolfy in a vacuum. His thoughts are also things that can be posted by both AIs.
Knowing nothing about the scum range, i can speculate he is dangerous (probably? for sure? nah? idk...)
P#102 he said his thoughts are concise, if he wanted to make his post looking like this self awareness is not a good look. Though, making condensed posts is rather townie
Actually I like the tone of the vote justification there. The fail of formatting made me think he didn't play in a while, am I right @CC ? Nvm, P#128 says CC didn't play in a decade. Wow, that is some time.
P#302 is a catch up post presenting his take on the gamestate. Being complete and for almost everyone, i think i like it, but i have to read all the game to see how my own reads will match with his. What is interesting for me is P#303 who is nitpicky for DKs post#213 and puts an accusation because DK inserted 'but's and 'though's in his ideas. I mean, anyone who are not sure about his stances would insert such words to express he is not certain 100%.
I wish to know @CC why DK would deserve a vote for this without any question and without engaging with him in an interaction, and why, when i subbed in you unvoted in P#355? Do you think a sub is changing AI?
Also, what impression do you have about your wagon I posted above and why didn't you show much stress for being voted?
Is already getting late and i am slow like a turtle and i need to sleep, i will wait the answer from CC for the above question before asking another. Cya in the morning.
Side note: europeans are sleeping at bad hours for mafia :/
I am used with spontaneous real time interactions, when the posts are one after another like in a tennis match. Can you tell me what posts do you consider as real time interactions?
I agree the last things are a base for associative reads and more complex analysis who should not exist so early in the game, i was talking about wolfy behaviour who can be spotted though.
yeah im not about to try to figure out what generic "wolfy behavior" is in an alien meta when i've subbed into day 1. in my experience, every different site has its own assumptions as to what wolves do or don't do, and different sites often flat-out contradict each other. (e.g. is "being defensive" a wolfy or towny trait??). other people more familiar with this site's meta can do that stuff.
this right here is close enough to real time for me.