I'm trying to do some digging with hypotheticals to the mods to see if there is a possibility, but the odds are vanishingly small. So I'm inclined to think that CC is just scum here. Occam's razor et al.
I'm trying to do some digging with hypotheticals to the mods to see if there is a possibility, but the odds are vanishingly small. So I'm inclined to think that CC is just scum here. Occam's razor et al.
T/T isn't impossible here but it's unlikely.
This is the short version of a very long post I could write about this....
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
yknow, maybe CC didn't realize that roleblocked players would be notified
would explain a lot
This seems quite plausible.
So let's talk about town reads. I have strong town reads on Vaimes, Highroller, and prior to the mess today Silver. I am leaning town on Ampharos and Axel but don't have confidence in either yet.
That leaves me with Proph, Cayvie, Terry, and CC. CC's claim today puts Silver back in the pool but at a relatively low priority. CC is almost certainly scum and I'm maintaining a strong scum read on Cayvie. I guess that's enough to try to build some worlds.
im starting to feel like the best argument for my townieness is that it everyone seems to think i'm scum. like i really feel like i'm being organized against here. in particular i don't buy vaimes' progression on me, but i'm also just getting odd vibes.
i read over EOD and people were shading me for not being around at EOD when it was moved 6 hours at the last minute. idk. i'll dig some stuff up, see if anything fits together.
i mean my immediate instinct is that this means some of the claimed PRs are scum
This sticks out to me. Cayvie is almost never getting condemned toDay, but even if some of the claimed PR's are scum the lack of RB'ing is definitely notable. Probably even more notable.
@Silver when did you decide that Terry was town? I feel like I've missed something there.
idgi, do all games have roleblockers here? why is the lack of roleblocking notable
im starting to feel like the best argument for my townieness is that it everyone seems to think i'm scum. like i really feel like i'm being organized against here. in particular i don't buy vaimes' progression on me, but i'm also just getting odd vibes.
i read over EOD and people were shading me for not being around at EOD when it was moved 6 hours at the last minute. idk. i'll dig some stuff up, see if anything fits together.
idgi, do all games have roleblockers here? why is the lack of roleblocking notable
Not all games have roleblockers but usually roles are designed to have counterplay with each other and the most obvious counterplay to a friendly neighbor is a blocking role to prevent that player from claiming and then clearing themselves immeadiately.
Having uncounter-able confirmed town players makes the game very difficult for scum.
Obviously it's all speculation without a mass claim but when I see a role like the one CC claimed I expect the scum team to have a strong manipulative role or town to be very lacking in power. Which could very well be the case but it's not obvious that it is.
Why is this the first post of the day? Why did roleblocking become the focus of our attention since the very first post of the day?
Plug this into your calculator...
Concerted effort between CC, Vaimes and Silver to bus CC and gain town points?
Walk me through this plan then. Because I think there might be some sort of game afoot but this particular iteration makes no sense to me. Anyway haven't I been the person most focused on the RB issue?
Why is this the first post of the day? Why did roleblocking become the focus of our attention since the very first post of the day?
Plug this into your calculator...
Concerted effort between CC, Vaimes and Silver to bus CC and gain town points?
Walk me through this plan then. Because I think there might be some sort of game afoot but this particular iteration makes no sense to me. Anyway haven't I been the person most focused on the RB issue?
Ill try to make time tonight. I’m mobile RN and I tried but it’s too hard so i aborted
Oh I have words about this, but I want JT and CC to post if they were roleblocked.
Why is this the first post of the day? Why did roleblocking become the focus of our attention since the very first post of the day?
Plug this into your calculator...
Concerted effort between CC, Vaimes and Silver to bus CC and gain town points?
im locking this in. It all lines up with pushes yesterday too
Please explain what our pushes yesterDay have to do with this story you're spinning for us, and why if I'm trying to bus CC I'm not just hellmurdering him for the red flip + town cred
Oh I have words about this, but I want JT and CC to post if they were roleblocked.
Why is this the first post of the day? Why did roleblocking become the focus of our attention since the very first post of the day?
Plug this into your calculator...
Concerted effort between CC, Vaimes and Silver to bus CC and gain town points?
im locking this in. It all lines up with pushes yesterday too
Please explain what our pushes yesterDay have to do with this story you're spinning for us, and why if I'm trying to bus CC I'm not just hellmurdering him for the red flip + town cred
I look into the details. I hell-murdered scum as 3P last game and hellmurdered too hard and it got me lynched, so there's that possibility.
1) I just got a discord note saying that a roleblocked player would be notified. That means either CC or Silver are lying or there is a role like commuter or something that just causes targets to miss. We could be in trouble if we go straight into this incorrectly being a thunderdome.
2) CC's target of Silver kind of tracks, he town read Silver Day 1.
Okay so the mods got back to me, and said that CropCircles would get a message if he was roleblocked, which makes me think that think that CropCircles is scum who tried to wriggle his way out of the lunch D1 by claiming Friendly Neighbor and is now trying to set up something with Silver?
The only other situation that is coming to mind right now where both Silver and CC could be both town is that the possibility that Silver was ascetizied or was targeted by a scum "Rolestopper" (target a player, all actions that would affect that player fail). I'll check with the mods to see what would happen if this were the case.
However, those are very uncommon roles, and that's so unlikely to happen I'm happy with going with Occam's Razor and assume CropCircles is just lying.
Plus - his primary focus for most of Day 1 was the dkings slot and ZDS, and both have flipped town. Thiiiiiiink this is fairly clear-cut?
Okay so the mods got back to me, and said that CropCircles would get a message if he was roleblocked, which makes me think that think that CropCircles is scum who tried to wriggle his way out of the lunch D1 by claiming Friendly Neighbor and is now trying to set up something with Silver?
The only other situation that is coming to mind right now where both Silver and CC could be both town is that the possibility that Silver was ascetizied or was targeted by a scum "Rolestopper" (target a player, all actions that would affect that player fail). I'll check with the mods to see what would happen if this were the case.
However, those are very uncommon roles, and that's so unlikely to happen I'm happy with going with Occam's Razor and assume CropCircles is just lying.
Plus - his primary focus for most of Day 1 was the dkings slot and ZDS, and both have flipped town. Thiiiiiiink this is fairly clear-cut?
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Oh hi Proph, welcome back. Want to real time anything while you're here? I was just missing you from this disucssion.
If CC is lying and he just tried to throw something at Silver that stuck, wouldn't he throw it at someone that had a better chance of getting lynched? That's why I can't get W/W out of my head. Help me out here.
Also, is friendly neighbor too powerful for a 12P game?
1) I just got a discord note saying that a roleblocked player would be notified. That means either CC or Silver are lying or there is a role like commuter or something that just causes targets to miss. We could be in trouble if we go straight into this incorrectly being a thunderdome.
2) CC's target of Silver kind of tracks, he town read Silver Day 1.
More to come.
FWIW I checked Commuter and Ascetic and it would still tell CC that it failed. Basically he's caught scum now.
I'm ~kind of worried Proph is scum. I think he's someone that would propose a WMU shot while hoping that town!JT and I keep sniping at each other.
I think WMU is a weird shot, specifically as a replacement, because they were still kinda trying to get their bearings. And they scumread ZDS/Proph/Cayvie.
I agree that WMU is a weird shot but I'm not scum. Pretty sure scum me would have checked out of this game a long time ago (plus also post much less).
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But yeah that kill makes me think that, among other things, my JT push is bunk.
Vaimes, expand on this a bit? Maybe I'm kind of far in the tunnel wrt JT but I still have issues with how he played Yesterday, specifically the lack of asking inquisitive questions + the "can be interpreted as forcing" wording issue.
Is it simple as that you don't believe a team with a wolf!JT kills WMU?
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My solve as of start of Night was [Cayvie / Grape / Proph / Amy]
Not sure what the odds are of Amy bussing on d2 though lol
Silver, talk to me about how you said "I'm going to continue to town read Amy based off of Rodemy's posts", you putting Amy as a townread in your town/scum list, and then now sticking her in with Grape/Cayvie/me in your start of night solve? Just... walk me through your thought process on seeing the ZDS flip and then your reads changing from, say, 535?
I guess that Silver/Amy kind of answered my question in 777, but I still want to hear more from Silver outside of just "PoE".
More specifically on how he was townreading Amy based off of Rodemy's posts, said that Amy's initial catchup post was "solid", and then continued to townread Amy based not on her own posts, but sticking to the "townread based on Rodemy" bc that reads very strangely to me - if my memory is getting Silver's reads progression right.
Okay now that I'm back on a computer I can go through a cliff notes version on why I think Terry is scum.
1) His catchup in the midgame feels strongly reminiscent of my scum self - he does a lot of note taking and observing, but he doesn't really ask questions or interrogate players in his catchup. This type of catchup is fairly easy for scum to pull off because they can just ignore most of the real-time that goes on in the thread and then provide commentary, which is easier to fake than real-time interactions. I would expect town Terry to ask some critical questions in his catchup, but instead he boils it down to players he agrees with (me, is town) and disagrees with (Vaimes, is scum).
2) This isn't really a point, per se, but he does a lot of "townsplaining" - IE he constantly refers to himself as town. Now if he did this only a couple times then I wouldn't bring it up, but it's kind of a constant trend throughout his posts:
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Even if he targets the most town of townies (me duh)
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@ZDS: I'm important. Trust me, I'm like the most important town person ever! Can you look me in the eyes and say that there is no reason for my interest in CC's lack of Vaimes discussion? Can you tell me that if it were you instead of me that it wouldn't be the slightest bit odd that he just ignored mentioning Vaimes at all? No matter how unimportant you think I am? You should know that I'm pretty full of myself from Voldemort, I'm just leaning into it more this game (and making Trump jokes at the same time).
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I am so town, my doctor says I'm the most town person he has ever seen. Maybe the towniest person in the whole world.
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PS I posted my notes in my recap. Yep, there were opinions in there too. I'm the most transparent villager ever. No secret notes here, you guys get to see all my notes.
(the above posts are where he explicitly refers to himself as town, the two posts below is where he defends himself weirdly)
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Come on, Silver, you know deep down inside what I'm saying is true. You probably feel self-conscious about it and that's why you're voting me right now. You wish you've been posting a bit better but haven't got bitten by this game yet.
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Hope that helps, I doubt it will because you already seem like you're tunneled. It's almost a sure thing that anyone who posts anything substantial like I did to catch up, will be attacked because it's content, content that people can like or dislike. You can like or dislike what I said, but I'm putting myself out there and giving my thoughts, I'm not hiding.
3) I feel like everyone skimmed over this, but when I asked him why he thought Silver's post 20 was forced, he responded with this:
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1) Ok, first off it's post 20, are you really diving that deep? That being said, I didn't feel drawing a distinction between Highroller's claim and Rod's justified a vote on ZDS, which he straight up says was to end RVS, which could be interpreted as forcing.
Instead of saying "this is why I think Silver's post was forced, here are my reasons" he says "this could be interpreted as forcing". This tells me that he doesn't actually believe that Silver's push was forced - he's trying to convince himself that it is.
tldr - I think that town Terry would play this game with more nuance and be a bit more interrogative. In this game he just joined the large CropCircles bandwagon and had pressure on Vaimes that sort of went nowhere.
Still think most of this holds, especially points 1 and 3. I guess I can toss out point 2 since it's more of a stylistic thing, though you continuing to do this (in 756) has made my eyebrow uhh, firmly worn out.
1) Talk to me more about your vote on CropCircles at EoD1 immediately after he claimed Friendly Neighbor? Obviously with how things look now you're more likely to be correct on CC, but talk me through your thought process on the "oh he claimed fn, hm" -> "gonna be busy for the next couple hours, vote CC" because I don't really understand how you could come to that conclusion?
2) What are your thoughts on what happened at EoD1 between JoeTerry getting run up and ZDS being the lynch?
3) Who do you think is mafia? Who do you think is town? I have trouble understanding where you at right now wrt the game because your posts are so... scattershot. Like it's really hard for me to step into your shoes and see where you're coming from, is what I'm getting at.
1) I fundamentally disagree with these premises making me scum:
"His catchup in the midgame feels strongly reminiscent of my scum self"
-This isn't something that makes someone scum
"he does a lot of note taking and observing, but he doesn't really ask questions or interrogate players in his catchup."
-To me, that's what I do in a catchup post. Then through out the game I ask questions when I have them. Personally, I actually find people asking a lot directed questions a bit suspect. It seems like an attempt to look interested in scum hunting, while not really doing any real work in case-building or taking stances. I don't think asking questions is the only way to find scum.
"I would expect town Terry to ask some critical questions in his catchup"
-I'm afraid that's not really my meta, if I could say so myself. I view myself a bit more proactive/reactive. Inquisitive isn't really how I think you view me.
3)"Instead of saying "this is why I think Silver's post was forced, here are my reasons" he says "this could be interpreted as forcing". This tells me that he doesn't actually believe that Silver's push was forced - he's trying to convince himself that it is."
-Ok, so it looks like your main issue is the word "interpreted" and you said I sounded like I was "trying to convince himself that it is". I wasn't trying to convince myself, I just was talking it out and seeing if it makes sense. It was very early in the game.
"tldr - I think that town Terry would play this game with more nuance and be a bit more interrogative. In this game he just joined the large CropCircles bandwagon and had pressure on Vaimes that sort of went nowhere."
-See 1) regarding my meta. I did a bit more than join the bandwagon on CC, so I think that's a misuse of terms. You also seem to forget that I was pretty vocal about ZDS not being scum (despite having to vote him at the end of the day to save myself (#1 Town, 100%)). So... I felt that my involvement in everything throughout Day 1 was more than most, so why are you signaling me out for "cruising" as you imply? I'd find it hard for anyone to read my ISO and come up with that conclusion.
FWIW I checked Commuter and Ascetic and it would still tell CC that it failed. Basically he's caught scum now.
Kk, so this firmly brings us to the two possibilities where:
1) CropCircles is mafia and lying about his role
2) Silvercrys is mafia and is claiming not to have received the result to mislunch the Friendly Neighbor CropCircles
Pretty fine with resolving CC first given that his reaction to this reads as fairly manufactured?
To be precise, the scenarios in which CC would be Town here are:
1) Silver is also Town, and the scum have some ability to prevent CC's ability from going through without CC being aware of it. Which seems both wrong and unlikely given what we know about the rules. It is even more unlikely that the ability the scum would have would be one that has to target CC's target to work, as then they would have to deduce who he was targeting, which seems almost impossible.
2) Silver is scum and is lying about not getting a confirmation. This, while possible, also seems unlikely, because it sets up Silver to go down tomorrow. When it would be far, far easier to simply "confirm" the ability. Yes, that means CC lives, and the scum might be forced to kill him later, but no one is exposed, and the game continues. When/if CC dies, Silver is not exposed. This just seems like the far more likely take that the scum would have. Even if you were somehow fairly convinced this was what was going on, it's still correct to take out CC here, as Silver is a gimme tomorrow if CC flips Town.
I do note that a scum CC flips means precisely nothing for the alignment of Silver.
So, I think this has to happen, but it doesn't have to happen immediately. Some people (Highroller?) haven't even checked in yet. I don't know what the votes are so I'm not voting yet. No one should hammer until we're ready.
CC, if you're Town, you ought to leave some last words or something.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I have a bad habit of tunneling and I was worried that I was falling into the same trap with JT. And I thought you might be scum egging me on, with your posts about JT at EoD.
That, plus WMU scumreading you put the idea of you being scum into my head.
the scum have some ability to prevent CC's ability from going through without CC being aware of it.
I'm basing this partly on CC's own opening post where he confidently asserted that his ability went off and that he was not role-blocked. He did not state what kind of confirmation or result he got from the mod. I'd be curious to hear this.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
@Proph I uh, don't really know what to tell you about my Amy/Rodemy read, I gut read Rodemy as a villager and Amy's posts just seemed okay/vaguely villagery and I was fine with my then-PoE
At EoD I flipped my read on ZDS and CropCircles seemed self resolving so I started re-evaluating, after ZDS flipped town I just kind of had a pile of town reads and fairly short list of names left
I don't have a real solid wolf read on Amy or anything just, positioning me as a follow up execution to cropcircles right now and in the PoE
The official rule is 1 meaningful post every 48 hours. That doesn’t include Nights, which means Highroller is not yet in prod range.
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Can I ask what form this confirmation took? Like “your ability was successful” or “you successfully targeted Silver” etc.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Is directly quoting the mod still against the rules? I skimmed the rules and I don't see it, but I know people used to get modkilled for that, so I want to know how closely I can toe the line.
I will say it was in no uncertain terms. My message was sent. And the rules state that if you are redirected, you will be informed.
Okay wait, new theory: The mafia have a redirector(I mean it's pretty much confirmed by the rules that there is a redirector in the game).
Humor me for a second.
We're currently 7-3. Silver lies about not getting my message so I get bopped and we're 6-3. Silver's hope here is too draw a vig kill at night which will get redirected to a townie and give the mafia an extra kill and we're 4-3 starting Day 3. Silver gets bopped, there's another night kill and it's 3-2.
One for one is bad for scum. One for two is better and forces us into lyol.
I don't have any idea how likely a vig is in this game or if the mafia would expect there to be one. Also I have no idea how likely Silver is to pull a gambit like this. So it's a stretch, but I'm just trying to make some kind of sense of this. It's just so obviously a trap and we're about to walk right into it. Someone make this make sense for me.
Okay wait, new theory: The mafia have a redirector(I mean it's pretty much confirmed by the rules that there is a redirector in the game).
Humor me for a second.
We're currently 7-3. Silver lies about not getting my message so I get bopped and we're 6-3. Silver's hope here is too draw a vig kill at night which will get redirected to a townie and give the mafia an extra kill and we're 4-3 starting Day 3. Silver gets bopped, there's another night kill and it's 3-2.
One for one is bad for scum. One for two is better and forces us into lyol.
I don't have any idea how likely a vig is in this game or if the mafia would expect there to be one. Also I have no idea how likely Silver is to pull a gambit like this. So it's a stretch, but I'm just trying to make some kind of sense of this. It's just so obviously a trap and we're about to walk right into it. Someone make this make sense for me.
So where did your Townfirm go if it was redirected?
I didn't get redirected. I would have been informed. It's in the rules. The theory is that Silver is trying to draw a vig kill to redirect that.
I suppose if he were a self-redirector, then I should have been redirected last night. But it could be a variation, like a limited shot. Or the mafia have a redirector that lets them target a player and anyone else who targets that player gets redirected. So it's like a self-redirection that they get to pick which mafioso they want to protect.
Or it's not a redirect ability but something else that would want to draw townie fire. Idk, redirector is the only thing that makes sense to me, but maybe there's another role that would want to draw vig fire.
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T/T isn't impossible here but it's unlikely.
would explain a lot
This seems quite plausible.
So let's talk about town reads. I have strong town reads on Vaimes, Highroller, and prior to the mess today Silver. I am leaning town on Ampharos and Axel but don't have confidence in either yet.
That leaves me with Proph, Cayvie, Terry, and CC. CC's claim today puts Silver back in the pool but at a relatively low priority. CC is almost certainly scum and I'm maintaining a strong scum read on Cayvie. I guess that's enough to try to build some worlds.
i read over EOD and people were shading me for not being around at EOD when it was moved 6 hours at the last minute. idk. i'll dig some stuff up, see if anything fits together.
idgi, do all games have roleblockers here? why is the lack of roleblocking notable
ehh looks like it was WMU shading me about that
Not all games have roleblockers but usually roles are designed to have counterplay with each other and the most obvious counterplay to a friendly neighbor is a blocking role to prevent that player from claiming and then clearing themselves immeadiately.
Having uncounter-able confirmed town players makes the game very difficult for scum.
Plug this into your calculator...
Concerted effort between CC, Vaimes and Silver to bus CC and gain town points?
Walk me through this plan then. Because I think there might be some sort of game afoot but this particular iteration makes no sense to me. Anyway haven't I been the person most focused on the RB issue?
I will not be answering role-related questions in thread. We will answer on discord.
1) I just got a discord note saying that a roleblocked player would be notified. That means either CC or Silver are lying or there is a role like commuter or something that just causes targets to miss. We could be in trouble if we go straight into this incorrectly being a thunderdome.
2) CC's target of Silver kind of tracks, he town read Silver Day 1.
More to come.
The only other situation that is coming to mind right now where both Silver and CC could be both town is that the possibility that Silver was ascetizied or was targeted by a scum "Rolestopper" (target a player, all actions that would affect that player fail). I'll check with the mods to see what would happen if this were the case.
However, those are very uncommon roles, and that's so unlikely to happen I'm happy with going with Occam's Razor and assume CropCircles is just lying.
Plus - his primary focus for most of Day 1 was the dkings slot and ZDS, and both have flipped town. Thiiiiiiink this is fairly clear-cut?
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If CC is lying and he just tried to throw something at Silver that stuck, wouldn't he throw it at someone that had a better chance of getting lynched? That's why I can't get W/W out of my head. Help me out here.
Also, is friendly neighbor too powerful for a 12P game?
FWIW I checked Commuter and Ascetic and it would still tell CC that it failed. Basically he's caught scum now.
To answer your questions:
- I would wait to see what CC flips before we start ruminating on what it means for Silver's alignment
- Obviously it depends on the rest of the setup, but I wouldn't consider it too powerful in a vacuum for a 12p game.
I agree that WMU is a weird shot but I'm not scum. Pretty sure scum me would have checked out of this game a long time ago (plus also post much less).
Vaimes, expand on this a bit? Maybe I'm kind of far in the tunnel wrt JT but I still have issues with how he played Yesterday, specifically the lack of asking inquisitive questions + the "can be interpreted as forcing" wording issue.
Is it simple as that you don't believe a team with a wolf!JT kills WMU?
Silver, talk to me about how you said "I'm going to continue to town read Amy based off of Rodemy's posts", you putting Amy as a townread in your town/scum list, and then now sticking her in with Grape/Cayvie/me in your start of night solve? Just... walk me through your thought process on seeing the ZDS flip and then your reads changing from, say, 535?
More specifically on how he was townreading Amy based off of Rodemy's posts, said that Amy's initial catchup post was "solid", and then continued to townread Amy based not on her own posts, but sticking to the "townread based on Rodemy" bc that reads very strangely to me - if my memory is getting Silver's reads progression right.
Still think most of this holds, especially points 1 and 3. I guess I can toss out point 2 since it's more of a stylistic thing, though you continuing to do this (in 756) has made my eyebrow uhh, firmly worn out.
1) CropCircles is mafia and lying about his role
2) Silvercrys is mafia and is claiming not to have received the result to mislunch the Friendly Neighbor CropCircles
Pretty fine with resolving CC first given that his reaction to this reads as fairly manufactured?
1) Talk to me more about your vote on CropCircles at EoD1 immediately after he claimed Friendly Neighbor? Obviously with how things look now you're more likely to be correct on CC, but talk me through your thought process on the "oh he claimed fn, hm" -> "gonna be busy for the next couple hours, vote CC" because I don't really understand how you could come to that conclusion?
2) What are your thoughts on what happened at EoD1 between JoeTerry getting run up and ZDS being the lynch?
3) Who do you think is mafia? Who do you think is town? I have trouble understanding where you at right now wrt the game because your posts are so... scattershot. Like it's really hard for me to step into your shoes and see where you're coming from, is what I'm getting at.
"His catchup in the midgame feels strongly reminiscent of my scum self"
-This isn't something that makes someone scum
"he does a lot of note taking and observing, but he doesn't really ask questions or interrogate players in his catchup."
-To me, that's what I do in a catchup post. Then through out the game I ask questions when I have them. Personally, I actually find people asking a lot directed questions a bit suspect. It seems like an attempt to look interested in scum hunting, while not really doing any real work in case-building or taking stances. I don't think asking questions is the only way to find scum.
"I would expect town Terry to ask some critical questions in his catchup"
-I'm afraid that's not really my meta, if I could say so myself. I view myself a bit more proactive/reactive. Inquisitive isn't really how I think you view me.
-Ok, so it looks like your main issue is the word "interpreted" and you said I sounded like I was "trying to convince himself that it is". I wasn't trying to convince myself, I just was talking it out and seeing if it makes sense. It was very early in the game.
"tldr - I think that town Terry would play this game with more nuance and be a bit more interrogative. In this game he just joined the large CropCircles bandwagon and had pressure on Vaimes that sort of went nowhere."
-See 1) regarding my meta. I did a bit more than join the bandwagon on CC, so I think that's a misuse of terms. You also seem to forget that I was pretty vocal about ZDS not being scum (despite having to vote him at the end of the day to save myself (#1 Town, 100%)). So... I felt that my involvement in everything throughout Day 1 was more than most, so why are you signaling me out for "cruising" as you imply? I'd find it hard for anyone to read my ISO and come up with that conclusion.
Why are we even still talking about this?
1) Silver is also Town, and the scum have some ability to prevent CC's ability from going through without CC being aware of it. Which seems both wrong and unlikely given what we know about the rules. It is even more unlikely that the ability the scum would have would be one that has to target CC's target to work, as then they would have to deduce who he was targeting, which seems almost impossible.
2) Silver is scum and is lying about not getting a confirmation. This, while possible, also seems unlikely, because it sets up Silver to go down tomorrow. When it would be far, far easier to simply "confirm" the ability. Yes, that means CC lives, and the scum might be forced to kill him later, but no one is exposed, and the game continues. When/if CC dies, Silver is not exposed. This just seems like the far more likely take that the scum would have. Even if you were somehow fairly convinced this was what was going on, it's still correct to take out CC here, as Silver is a gimme tomorrow if CC flips Town.
I do note that a scum CC flips means precisely nothing for the alignment of Silver.
So, I think this has to happen, but it doesn't have to happen immediately. Some people (Highroller?) haven't even checked in yet. I don't know what the votes are so I'm not voting yet. No one should hammer until we're ready.
CC, if you're Town, you ought to leave some last words or something.
Proph I’ll get to you in a few hours.
I have a bad habit of tunneling and I was worried that I was falling into the same trap with JT. And I thought you might be scum egging me on, with your posts about JT at EoD.
That, plus WMU scumreading you put the idea of you being scum into my head.
At EoD I flipped my read on ZDS and CropCircles seemed self resolving so I started re-evaluating, after ZDS flipped town I just kind of had a pile of town reads and fairly short list of names left
I don't have a real solid wolf read on Amy or anything just, positioning me as a follow up execution to cropcircles right now and in the PoE
The official rule is 1 meaningful post every 48 hours. That doesn’t include Nights, which means Highroller is not yet in prod range.
Please bold your requests or use discord so I don’t miss them
CropCircles42 (3): Grapefruit21, Ampharos, Prophylaxis
Cayvie (1): Vaimes
not voting: silvercrys3467, Cayvie, Axelrod, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Highroller, CropCircles42
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
More soon. I need to make some tea.
I will say it was in no uncertain terms. My message was sent. And the rules state that if you are redirected, you will be informed.
Humor me for a second.
We're currently 7-3. Silver lies about not getting my message so I get bopped and we're 6-3. Silver's hope here is too draw a vig kill at night which will get redirected to a townie and give the mafia an extra kill and we're 4-3 starting Day 3. Silver gets bopped, there's another night kill and it's 3-2.
One for one is bad for scum. One for two is better and forces us into lyol.
I don't have any idea how likely a vig is in this game or if the mafia would expect there to be one. Also I have no idea how likely Silver is to pull a gambit like this. So it's a stretch, but I'm just trying to make some kind of sense of this. It's just so obviously a trap and we're about to walk right into it. Someone make this make sense for me.
Obviously.
I suppose if he were a self-redirector, then I should have been redirected last night. But it could be a variation, like a limited shot. Or the mafia have a redirector that lets them target a player and anyone else who targets that player gets redirected. So it's like a self-redirection that they get to pick which mafioso they want to protect.
Or it's not a redirect ability but something else that would want to draw townie fire. Idk, redirector is the only thing that makes sense to me, but maybe there's another role that would want to draw vig fire.