Of course nightmare scenario is if he claims roleblocked or targets someone who dies but I think it's reasonable to let him test his role
This is not a nightmare for me, because if he claimed such a thing I would vote him dead on the spot.
Still not sure it's worth it.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
@Axelrod i didn't see your vote in the last VC andi didn't observe you voting, correct me if i am wrong.
Please vote
You're not wrong.
Who should I vote for?
one of your scum reads.
How about one of yours? Who should I vote for?
I think Proph and Cayvie have scum equity but no one will vote them.
The game has a lot of awkward posts and is hard to think at who is town though.
I think you may be villager, my top villa is Highroller, i already said Amy/Rod is villager too.
For more i have to read the half of the game i didn't read yet.
Because his reasoning for the counter-vote is: I disagree with your assessment of my statements. ZDS says my statements are "vague and safe non-stances" but actually they are real stances. ZDS says my suspicion of unjustified bandwagon voters is worse then Proph's unjustified suspicion of low posters, but actually my suspicion is more reasonable. And this translates to a hard vote ZDS.
Which it really shouldn't have. Because what ZDS said was barely a case at all. It was like a gut first impression, and nothing he said was wrong. CC's statements were mostly safe and unsurprising. This vote ought not to have ruffled so many feathers I wouldn't think.
So ZDS has a gut first impression and votes on it and that's fine, but I have a first impression and vote on it and that's bad? Is that just because I voted for the person who was voting me?
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And then, CC seemingly tries to turn it into something else entirely. When he is explaining the vote for ZDS (and why it isn't just an OMGUS vote, I guess) he tries to say that his reason for voting was because ZDS was being "inconsistent." i.e. ZDS said that I had taken a non-stance, but actually I took a real stance, so there.
That is not an inconsistency though, that is at best a difference of opinion.
The inconsistency I'm referring to is him pushing against me for pushing against proph for the same reason I was pushing against proph with a poor explanation of why my post was worse. We can disagree about the definition of the word "inconsistency," but I have not tried to change what this is about.
The irony here (to me) is that your "push" on Proph was barely a push at all. It was a gentle tickle. A mild raising of the eyebrow. Because what Proph did was more silly than suspicious. ZDS attacked you for taking an easy non-controversial position.
I don't think it's accurate to say that ZDS necessarily should have viewed Proph's post and your post in the same way.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Well, I'll Second the request, for what that's worth.
Dude, vote!
I'm going to vote, hold your horses
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Wish CC claimed earlier so we wouldn't be in this spot
Will vote in :55 assuming votes haven't changed
I was really hoping not to have to claim at all. If the scum have a roleblocker, then they can just prevent me from being able to confirm myself. Would have been much easier if I didn't claim, but that kind of backfired.
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I will not cry in my milk if this No Lynches. I will acknowledge that's not ideal.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
We have wagons on 2 claims.
One is a dwarf in the story and is a good character, one is a random animal.
One is PR, one is vanilla.
I think the second claim looks like a fake one.
My vote stays and I will have time for a ZDS Iso on laptop a little later.
@CropCircles could you confirm friendly neighbor not just neighborizer? I.e. the person you become neighbors with is told you are town?
Because friendly neighbor is ~approximately never a wolf in a non-bastard mini and he should absolutely prove it lmao
I don't really understand the question.
When I target someone, they are informed that I am town. I don't learn anything about them and I can't communicate with them. Does that answer you're question?
We have wagons on 2 claims.
One is a dwarf in the story and is a good character, one is a random animal.
One is PR, one is vanilla.
I think the second claim looks like a fake one.
My vote stays and I will have time for a ZDS Iso on laptop a little later.
Of reasons to vote ZDS, these are not good ones.
Highroller: I know you've been pushing it for awhile. Can you summarize (in nice short and easy to read bullet points) why ZDS? If you can't, I suppose I will have to understand. My CC vote atm is almost solely based on the analysis of his interactions with ZDS.
@CropCircles could you confirm friendly neighbor not just neighborizer? I.e. the person you become neighbors with is told you are town?
Because friendly neighbor is ~approximately never a wolf in a non-bastard mini and he should absolutely prove it lmao
What does this even mean? Of course friendly neighbor would be Town. By definition. The issue is whether we trust him? What does it mean if he does produce a result tomorrow? i.e. Another player steps forward and says "yes, CC targeted me and is Town!"
You see how that doesn't actually confirm either of them? At most it ties the coming forward player to CC such that, if CC is scum that player is also scum. But the reverse would not be true. So we're still cold as to CC's alignment. Now, we get to day 3 and another person comes forward, it's looking much, much better. But how many player are left at that point?
This is my paranoia imagining how this could be a scum claim just designed to drag it out.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I think it's extremely convenient CC waited the last moment to claim a role that should be given a chance to prove itself (thus forcing the town to take a rushed decision), but I can believe he did truly miscalculate how long he had until deadline (because of time zones).
So now the correct play would be to find someone else to vote, only with less than six hours left our only options are 1) a mostly random rushed wagon that will give us very little info besides a flip, 2) eliminating me, 3) no elimination.
Option 1 is awful, option 3 is bad. The only viable option is 2, eliminating me, as Highroller smugly pointed out (I'll have the last smug though).
I'm going to keep my vote on CC because it's too late to vote someone else on a whim and I'm not going to vote myself. This will be my last post for the day (and Day), I'm going to enjoy the rest of my evening.
I've been trying to get ZDS lynched all day and it's pretty clear it's not going to happen today, and I really don't feel like going in circles with him anymore. I'd be comfortable with wagon's on JoeTerry or cayvie, but it's kind of late to start a whole new wagon. Bah, I need to tale a break.
Some of these people may have posted that they weren't going to be around.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
@CropCircles could you confirm friendly neighbor not just neighborizer? I.e. the person you become neighbors with is told you are town?
Because friendly neighbor is ~approximately never a wolf in a non-bastard mini and he should absolutely prove it lmao
I don't really understand the question.
When I target someone, they are informed that I am town. I don't learn anything about them and I can't communicate with them. Does that answer you're question?
Yes, no neighbor chat just the green check, thanks!
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Highroller
CropCircles
WakeMeUp
Amy
Vaimes
Grapefruit
Axelrod
Cayvie
ZDS
Proph
JoeTerry
Anyone under Vaimes is okay (the bottom six are unsorted) but I... man, just like on a gut check I don't really think it's ZDS or Proph anymore.
vote: TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
I will try to check back in around an hour before deadline but I'm going to be driving for most of the hour up to it so I won't be here to shift votes, probably. I'll try to make it for the last 5-10 minutes but no promises.
We have wagons on 2 claims.
One is a dwarf in the story and is a good character, one is a random animal.
One is PR, one is vanilla.
I think the second claim looks like a fake one.
My vote stays and I will have time for a ZDS Iso on laptop a little later.
Of reasons to vote ZDS, these are not good ones.
Highroller: I know you've been pushing it for awhile. Can you summarize (in nice short and easy to read bullet points) why ZDS? If you can't, I suppose I will have to understand. My CC vote atm is almost solely based on the analysis of his interactions with ZDS.
@CropCircles could you confirm friendly neighbor not just neighborizer? I.e. the person you become neighbors with is told you are town?
Because friendly neighbor is ~approximately never a wolf in a non-bastard mini and he should absolutely prove it lmao
What does this even mean? Of course friendly neighbor would be Town. By definition. The issue is whether we trust him? What does it mean if he does produce a result tomorrow? i.e. Another player steps forward and says "yes, CC targeted me and is Town!"
You see how that doesn't actually confirm either of them? At most it ties the coming forward player to CC such that, if CC is scum that player is also scum. But the reverse would not be true. So we're still cold as to CC's alignment. Now, we get to day 3 and another person comes forward, it's looking much, much better. But how many player are left at that point?
This is my paranoia imagining how this could be a scum claim just designed to drag it out.
I mean, that's what it is though, paranoia
Yes there is a world where CC is a wolf fake claiming this role and is planning on fake targeting his wolf partners but (1) that risks there being a town tracker outing him and (2) Leaving him alive and saying he's a villager by claim makes him self resolving in the likely case he is a villager. Wolves can either deal with the reduced PoE or kill him for us, if he never dies we can re-evaluate his claim on d3 or whatever with info on his chosen targets
if he never dies we can re-evaluate his claim on d3 or whatever with info on his chosen targets
I am just going to have a strong negative reaction to any claim which the "correct" play is "leave alive until D3 and re-evaluate." That seems, by definition, a very good scum claim.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
It's also not a claim that is likely to risk being "countered" if false.
I mean, if there is an actual "neighborizer" in this game, then I would counter. Or Masons?
Hrm. Maybe it would be risky?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
@Axelrod this is the reason I want to make an Iso on ZDS
@Prophylaxis i have indeed my own ideas about why you may be scum.
The shortest explanation is: you made a reads list in post #131 where you have 4 TRs one with question mark and one probable wolf read on CC and everyone else in a null zone - why mention them, i see this as a scum tactic, to show that you're thinking at everyone.
@ZeDorkSlipeur i know is impossible to be glued to the thread. Je vous souhaite un après-midi très agréable monsieur
Though, when your life in the game depends on your presence you show us you want to have a nice afternoon and that is all for us even if the Eod is at an hour when you can check and help with some ideas later? nagl tbh
Yes, he's risking both being CC'd by masons/real fn/other and there being a tracker who outs him if he does get a partner to claim. I think he's just a villager and would greatly prefer forcing the wolves the remove him from the game to spending an execution on it.
I also don't think leaving a wolf alive is the end of the world. Regardless of when we execute him we get the same number of misexecutes and his role should provide us info regardless of his alignment if we leave it in the game.
Ultimately, this is why I hate D1. No one knows anything. Everyone is just guessing.
Now tomorrow, there will be stuff to talk about!
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I will vote any of the other current wagons to save CropCircles and will vote CropCircles to prevent no execution; my preference at this point in time is Terry.
But Terry was/is doing something vague and unspecified with me for role-related reasons that requires him to pretend that he's certain I'm town?
I have no idea what this means, it's just weird, and I tend to give credit to people for doing weird things on D1.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I don't remember your list. Surprised you're giving up on ZDS, given he's still #2?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
But Terry was/is doing something vague and unspecified with me for role-related reasons that requires him to pretend that he's certain I'm town?
I have no idea what this means, it's just weird, and I tend to give credit to people for doing weird things on D1.
If this is true I have clearly not been giving this game as much attention as it requires roflmao.
Okay. I don't want CC, you don't want ZDS or Terry. Who do you want? If Axelrod was king for a phase who would die in 4.5 hours?
I would make a terrible King
On D1.
What I would probably actually do is make everyone claim. I feel much better about my ability to hit under those circumstances.
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Still not sure it's worth it.
Think that we should let cc test his role and JT is my next suspect
I think Proph and Cayvie have scum equity but no one will vote them.
The game has a lot of awkward posts and is hard to think at who is town though.
I think you may be villager, my top villa is Highroller, i already said Amy/Rod is villager too.
For more i have to read the half of the game i didn't read yet.
So you will have to use your own scum reads.
You have 15 minutes!
Wish CC claimed earlier so we wouldn't be in this spot
Will vote in :55 assuming votes haven't changed
I don't think it's accurate to say that ZDS necessarily should have viewed Proph's post and your post in the same way.
After the claim she voted him saying she can't be present at eod or something like that.
Over ZDS. Final answer.
Ehh this is a late request :/
I don’t think I can grant this.
And would be more fun?
And sad Psyduck eyes?
ZDS - 4
CropCircles - 4
He said, never actually doing so.
Would anyone unwilling to vote ZDS be willing to vote Proph? We need a lynch, guys.
One is a dwarf in the story and is a good character, one is a random animal.
One is PR, one is vanilla.
I think the second claim looks like a fake one.
My vote stays and I will have time for a ZDS Iso on laptop a little later.
i will if a wagon will start
Because friendly neighbor is ~approximately never a wolf in a non-bastard mini and he should absolutely prove it lmao
When I target someone, they are informed that I am town. I don't learn anything about them and I can't communicate with them. Does that answer you're question?
God if CC is town then this game state is hella weird
Can we get a a vote count
Highroller: I know you've been pushing it for awhile. Can you summarize (in nice short and easy to read bullet points) why ZDS? If you can't, I suppose I will have to understand. My CC vote atm is almost solely based on the analysis of his interactions with ZDS. What does this even mean? Of course friendly neighbor would be Town. By definition. The issue is whether we trust him? What does it mean if he does produce a result tomorrow? i.e. Another player steps forward and says "yes, CC targeted me and is Town!"
You see how that doesn't actually confirm either of them? At most it ties the coming forward player to CC such that, if CC is scum that player is also scum. But the reverse would not be true. So we're still cold as to CC's alignment. Now, we get to day 3 and another person comes forward, it's looking much, much better. But how many player are left at that point?
This is my paranoia imagining how this could be a scum claim just designed to drag it out.
I think it's extremely convenient CC waited the last moment to claim a role that should be given a chance to prove itself (thus forcing the town to take a rushed decision), but I can believe he did truly miscalculate how long he had until deadline (because of time zones).
So now the correct play would be to find someone else to vote, only with less than six hours left our only options are 1) a mostly random rushed wagon that will give us very little info besides a flip, 2) eliminating me, 3) no elimination.
Option 1 is awful, option 3 is bad. The only viable option is 2, eliminating me, as Highroller smugly pointed out (I'll have the last smug though).
I'm going to keep my vote on CC because it's too late to vote someone else on a whim and I'm not going to vote myself. This will be my last post for the day (and Day), I'm going to enjoy the rest of my evening.
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1. silvercrys34672. ZeDorkSlipeur3. Rodemy r. Ampharos4. Prophylaxis
5. Jackrito r. Cayvie (sort of?)
6. Vaimes7. Dkingsland967 r. xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx
8. Grapefruit219. Axelrod
10. TheRealStinkyJoeTerry11. Highroller
12. CropCircles42
Some of these people may have posted that they weren't going to be around.
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Me
Highroller
CropCircles
WakeMeUp
Amy
Vaimes
Grapefruit
Axelrod
Cayvie
ZDS
Proph
JoeTerry
Anyone under Vaimes is okay (the bottom six are unsorted) but I... man, just like on a gut check I don't really think it's ZDS or Proph anymore.
vote: TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
I will try to check back in around an hour before deadline but I'm going to be driving for most of the hour up to it so I won't be here to shift votes, probably. I'll try to make it for the last 5-10 minutes but no promises.
Yes there is a world where CC is a wolf fake claiming this role and is planning on fake targeting his wolf partners but (1) that risks there being a town tracker outing him and (2) Leaving him alive and saying he's a villager by claim makes him self resolving in the likely case he is a villager. Wolves can either deal with the reduced PoE or kill him for us, if he never dies we can re-evaluate his claim on d3 or whatever with info on his chosen targets
I mean, if there is an actual "neighborizer" in this game, then I would counter. Or Masons?
Hrm. Maybe it would be risky?
@Prophylaxis i have indeed my own ideas about why you may be scum.
The shortest explanation is: you made a reads list in post #131 where you have 4 TRs one with question mark and one probable wolf read on CC and everyone else in a null zone - why mention them, i see this as a scum tactic, to show that you're thinking at everyone.
@ZeDorkSlipeur i know is impossible to be glued to the thread. Je vous souhaite un après-midi très agréable monsieur
Though, when your life in the game depends on your presence you show us you want to have a nice afternoon and that is all for us even if the Eod is at an hour when you can check and help with some ideas later? nagl tbh
Going for that Iso now
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ZeDorkSlipeur (3): Highroller, CropCircles42, xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx,
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry (3): Vaimes, Prophylaxis, Silvercrys3467,
Cayvie (1): Grapefruit21,
Not voting (0): --
Deadline is today @ 6pm EST; 4 hours from this post.
Why is it a "scum tactic" to explicitly mention your null reads?
I also don't think leaving a wolf alive is the end of the world. Regardless of when we execute him we get the same number of misexecutes and his role should provide us info regardless of his alignment if we leave it in the game.
Now tomorrow, there will be stuff to talk about!
I have no idea what this means, it's just weird, and I tend to give credit to people for doing weird things on D1.
It's not ideal, but he's on my list.
Okay. I don't want CC, you don't want ZDS or Terry. Who do you want? If Axelrod was king for a phase who would die in 4.5 hours?
On D1.
What I would probably actually do is make everyone claim. I feel much better about my ability to hit under those circumstances.