Bolded votes were bad votes. Straling hadn't even finished reading at that point and TerRaine's was a pretty assertive hammer w/no explanation.
actually I thought I was very clear on why I was voting DB. I found the claim iffy and the suggestion of wasting vig shots to prove their point to be insanely self serving and anti town.
But yea I will admite I regret the hammer on DB because I honestly did not think I was hammering. Tom and someone else posted two VCs one with DB at L1 and the other with him at L2. Since I've seen Tom mod and he said bolded votes don't count I figured that was a MTGs thing. Similar to bolding and coloring votes on DLP is.
One of the worst interactions I saw with this slot is actually with you Rod. Over your not so subtle crumbing on d1 over Tom and what I assumed to be your role. Kpaca labels you Town and yet draw massive attention to the crumbing of "let's see what happened toNight wink wink nudge nudge."
Even Terry called him out on his disregard and highlighting of it. Kpaca said there's a difference to feigned ignorance and blatant highlighting but that's not really true in a written game where the point is to analyze what we're each saying...asking "why would you wait til toNight?" invites players to think of the why...and that's a highlight.
I do believe Tubba was a scum riddle...I think the interactions 1045 and 1047 is suspicious. I think the refusal to do anything other than whinge about Tom's gif posting wasn't townish because its all he would do. You shouldn't have to pull teeth to ask for a player to look at other reads.
It's damn near impossible to read Star on their own cause there's like 8 posts. There's no content. They say they're reading but "it didn't seem helpful to analyze posts from so long ago" which just sounds like a cop out of an answer. Of course reading every last bit of this isn't possible but they've read some of it right? There has to be SOME thought beyond "Tubba might be scum" which just comes across as bussing at this point without any real bite behind it. "Ask me questions" isn't solvey...it's posting to post. They're reactive not proactive which we kinda need town to be at this point.
The thing is, I wasn’t actually breadcrumbing anything. You guys just assumed I was. I literally wanted to wait and see what happened.
Obviously I wasn’t breadcrumbing because I only have a passive ability.
Doesn't matter what your actual ability was. If kpaca was Town why would he EVER draw attention to his town reads crumbing an ability? You don't hold up a neon sign that says look here when you think your townread as a powerrole and put them at risk
I'll be honest, this game isn't my priority. Still, I'll try to lay out my thoughts a bit:
The vote on DB was because I was under the impression that that was the consensus to yeet. I didn't realize it put them at L-1 because I can't count, but they already had a good number of votes so I decided I would rather help yeet a probably scum than contribute nothing.
I can't argue with scumreading my slot because I would have done the same if I hadn't already been told my role lol
Unsure about Rode's point because scum clearly killed Jack, and I would argue that a vig is probably seen as much more dangerous to scum than you, even if you were correct
I can full claim with flavor if anyone wants, but I'm not sure how helpful that is this game lol
I'll try to post my reads later tonight. I don't have time rn, but they'll hopefully be up by a few hours from now. If not, I'll get them done tomorrow morning
Not voting: Ampharos, deadbananas, gooLagoon, Jackrito, Slothful, Trisscar
10 posts later I start to express some interest in the Triss lynch option. A few posts after that Sloth also begins showing interest, but then ultimately goes DB. This starts the cascade of votes on DB. Amy is next a few posts later, so we have this unofficial VC:
Not voting: deadbananas, gooLagoon, Jackrito, Trisscar
DB votes Orange, then Jack votes DB, but offers to come back to Tirss Day 3. I unvote but start sseriously considering a Triss vote. Rhand DB, then Rod for a hot second before he switches to Amy. Rod then points out that he doesn't feel like it is a town lead wagon. Axel calls for a move to Triss. That's when I lock in on Triss hoping for a solid counter wagon. We have an official VC:
Starling replaces in for Kpaca. Rod switches over to DB. Axel switches over to Starling but I read that as a joke making fun of everyone piling on the guy (DB) that just replaced in. In just a few posts Starling makes a terrible vote on DB, without even reading the game and just full on bandwagons based on Tom's recommendation. This put DB at L-1 and according to TerRaine, he oopsie hammers DB.
TLDNR: I think there's a reason the Triss wagon couldn't get any traction and the DB wagon went warp speed. (This was mostly for my own notes, just talking the sequence of events through).
TLDNR: I think there's a reason the Triss wagon couldn't get any traction and the DB wagon went warp speed. (This was mostly for my own notes, just talking the sequence of events through).
I'm ready to go back there if there's interest.
But seriously, Tom is playing the part of the power-wolfing scum. Do not just let him slide because he's Tom.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I trust Amy. Remind me to slap myself at this point if I am wrong.
I’ll take Tom ter and star as scum for $1000, Alex.
i appreciate the alignment trust but would caution against blindly sheeping my reads lol. i need to do a little more work on terr vs triss to really decide who i wanna vote today tbh (assuming either of them, which i kinda am - if there's 0 nontown in terr/triss then i'm SUPER wrong somewhere)
The vote on DB was because I was under the impression that that was the consensus to yeet. I didn't realize it put them at L-1 because I can't count, but they already had a good number of votes so I decided I would rather help yeet a probably scum than contribute nothing.
Reads like, "that's why it didn't get traction" is such a bad read that leads to easy mafia manipulation, if triss is a wolf, tell me why, don't give me whatever that non sense is
Ya I tried thinking about how I should write that, that wouldn't come off harsh, but I couldn't
If you can argue that no traction makes someone a wolf, then you can argue that traction makes someone town, trains springing up and down at random times means very little, now if this is like EOD, I might think about it
Honestly, no. After reading through, I probably would not have voted there. Wish I didn't but I did, so rip.
Anyway, here's my reads for rn:
Confirmed-ish:
Rodemy
Rhand
Wisp
Town-Lean:
Amy
Lagoon
WMU
Null:
Joe
O&B
Terry
???:
Axel
Scummy:
Triss
Tom
I liked Lagoon's early claim and most content since. The other two are largely gut but I feel like their content has seemed more townie than many others
I think Triss and Tom could be scum together. The push on DB potentially saved Triss yesterDay, though I think both have been scummy in their own right. I'd have to look back at their interactions though, which is sort of difficult on here.
Confused by Axel's slot. Even if he's telling the truth, his target could be scum, making him anti-town. I agree that a target claim could be helpful.
I have no real leads on the other Carrow, but I feel like mafia should be our priority anyway, assuming they exist
Please tell me again why Tom is such a non-starter for you.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I can't argue with scumreading my slot because I would have done the same if I hadn't already been told my role lol
This is just Zardoric V2
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I think his start today has been better and his admission he doesn't know how to scumhunt seems cognitively consistent with his D2 play, assuming that isn't a lie
Zard was a wolf in MarblOlympics, that was mostly, "Woe is me"
in regards to admitting all his posts were garbage and was just doing things for literally reasons he couldn't explain
I'm confused, is "Zard" Starling? Or is he a completely different person?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I knew it couldnt be just one because of the wincon
But 3 still seemed like too much
And sure enough its 2.5 with wisp coming back
Well. 5 total. But only 2 concurrently, up to 3 with revive
Pretty sure its: Last>rhand
Tubba>???
Naturalness of rhand/last claims
Fakeness of tubba claim
Tubba successor not claiming at all
Rodemy confirming action
<scum dont come back to life>
Etc
Sucks that riddle mechanic took our doc but a tubba partner should be vanilla now too so thats something
I knew it couldnt be just one because of the wincon
But 3 still seemed like too much
And sure enough its 2.5 with wisp coming back
Well. 5 total. But only 2 concurrently, up to 3 with revive
Pretty sure its: Last>rhand
Tubba>???
Naturalness of rhand/last claims
Fakeness of tubba claim
Tubba successor not claiming at all
Rodemy confirming action
<scum dont come back to life>
Etc
Sucks that riddle mechanic took our doc but a tubba partner should be vanilla now too so thats something
This seems close to solvable
Thank you for this contribution of absolutely nothing!
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I believe that most, if not all, of the people on my wagon are there for good reasons, and the only real argument I have for them is said lack of experience at this speed and density.
Honestly? I would have been going after myself. I actually started in on Jake for less of a mistake then I made, and he turned out to be villa.
First of all, My first few post add little to the game state, other then some gut reads from me and my team, including some meta reads. Then, I left a sentence incomplete in a post that is connected to someone people had suspicions on. This is particularly bad as in that same post I was scum leaning them, and the sentence seemed to be about to say 'but not really'. I then effectively followed this up by making one more reply to complete said sentence, and then ghosted (had to leave suddenly, but you couldn't have known that).
This chain of events would have me hounding the player until they came back, and would leave me hounding them until I felt comfortable with them, someone more suspicious came along, or they were voted out/ night killed. So I have no reason to fault anyone voting for me and leaving that vote there.
- Somebody link me the "guilty" on Tubba from Sloth
- Rod why the **** do you tell Wisp you won't lynch their teammate and you think they're town in the same breath you... vote their "teammate" who you apparently think is scum???
- Rod you're going off the rails what the ****, seriously take a break my dude
- JoeTerry's posts today have been way worse, basically all AtE/needless conflict with a revived player
- (A claimed 3p) voting tom for being wrong is absurd
- Rod you claimed one-night vanillaizer and then two-night roleblocker, if you're claiming anyways can it please be legible
- Amy why do you clear Tom and goo so readily?
- Amy absolutely correct on the Riddles imo, Wisp has still been really good
- @Amy I'm a big fan of making Axel claim his target, am not a fan of the massclaim idea
- Joe suggesting Startling/TerRaine wagons is great though, that's plus all the town points he lost earlier
Strong Takes:
Amy prob town but their clearing of tom and especially goo is ???
Rod/Rhand/Wisp prob town, idk scum outs their whole team if Tubba's convert could just CC the whole lot
Joe still gun to head town
TerRaine still not super convincing even if I like their attitude/personality
Starling easily topscum
actually I thought I was very clear on why I was voting DB. I found the claim iffy and the suggestion of wasting vig shots to prove their point to be insanely self serving and anti town.
But yea I will admite I regret the hammer on DB because I honestly did not think I was hammering. Tom and someone else posted two VCs one with DB at L1 and the other with him at L2. Since I've seen Tom mod and he said bolded votes don't count I figured that was a MTGs thing. Similar to bolding and coloring votes on DLP is.
I’m gonna step away for a bit. This is getting to be too much. I’ll be back tomorrow at some point.
unvote
Can catch up via phone in the car, I see a lot of posts so I presume there's stuff to talk about
I hope you’re not the one driving if you’re gonna catch up in the car
One of the worst interactions I saw with this slot is actually with you Rod. Over your not so subtle crumbing on d1 over Tom and what I assumed to be your role. Kpaca labels you Town and yet draw massive attention to the crumbing of "let's see what happened toNight wink wink nudge nudge."
Even Terry called him out on his disregard and highlighting of it. Kpaca said there's a difference to feigned ignorance and blatant highlighting but that's not really true in a written game where the point is to analyze what we're each saying...asking "why would you wait til toNight?" invites players to think of the why...and that's a highlight.
I do believe Tubba was a scum riddle...I think the interactions 1045 and 1047 is suspicious. I think the refusal to do anything other than whinge about Tom's gif posting wasn't townish because its all he would do. You shouldn't have to pull teeth to ask for a player to look at other reads.
It's damn near impossible to read Star on their own cause there's like 8 posts. There's no content. They say they're reading but "it didn't seem helpful to analyze posts from so long ago" which just sounds like a cop out of an answer. Of course reading every last bit of this isn't possible but they've read some of it right? There has to be SOME thought beyond "Tubba might be scum" which just comes across as bussing at this point without any real bite behind it. "Ask me questions" isn't solvey...it's posting to post. They're reactive not proactive which we kinda need town to be at this point.
@Amy
Why is Tom not in the POE, what even is the POE?
Obviously I wasn’t breadcrumbing because I only have a passive ability.
Aye and I've pointed out scummy crap kpaca did too. Doesn't mean we shouldn't light a fire under Star's ass to get more info from the slot.
Doesn't matter what your actual ability was. If kpaca was Town why would he EVER draw attention to his town reads crumbing an ability? You don't hold up a neon sign that says look here when you think your townread as a powerrole and put them at risk
since they thought I had something.
if kpaca was scum and Tom wasn’t, that means they’d just let me do whatever they thought I was gonna do to Tom.
if Tom was scum and kpaca was town, scum would still probably do something to me.
so I’m thinking Tom is clear.
The vote on DB was because I was under the impression that that was the consensus to yeet. I didn't realize it put them at L-1 because I can't count, but they already had a good number of votes so I decided I would rather help yeet a probably scum than contribute nothing.
I can't argue with scumreading my slot because I would have done the same if I hadn't already been told my role lol
Unsure about Rode's point because scum clearly killed Jack, and I would argue that a vig is probably seen as much more dangerous to scum than you, even if you were correct
I can full claim with flavor if anyone wants, but I'm not sure how helpful that is this game lol
I'll try to post my reads later tonight. I don't have time rn, but they'll hopefully be up by a few hours from now. If not, I'll get them done tomorrow morning
Slothful (3) - TerRaine, Rhand, Rodemy
xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx (2) - TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, kpaca
deadbananas (1) - tomsloger
TerRaine (1) - orangeandblack5
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry (1) - xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx
Trisscar (1) - Axelrod
Not voting: Ampharos, deadbananas, gooLagoon, Jackrito, Slothful, Trisscar
10 posts later I start to express some interest in the Triss lynch option. A few posts after that Sloth also begins showing interest, but then ultimately goes DB. This starts the cascade of votes on DB. Amy is next a few posts later, so we have this unofficial VC:
Slothful (3) - TerRaine, Rhand, Rodemy
xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx (2) - TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, kpaca
deadbananas (3) - tomsloger, Slothful, Ampharos,
TerRaine (1) - orangeandblack5
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry (1) - xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx
Trisscar (1) - Axelrod
Not voting: deadbananas, gooLagoon, Jackrito, Trisscar
DB votes Orange, then Jack votes DB, but offers to come back to Tirss Day 3. I unvote but start sseriously considering a Triss vote. Rhand DB, then Rod for a hot second before he switches to Amy. Rod then points out that he doesn't feel like it is a town lead wagon. Axel calls for a move to Triss. That's when I lock in on Triss hoping for a solid counter wagon. We have an official VC:
deadbananas (5) - tomsloger, Slothful, Ampharos, Jackrito, Rhand
Trisscar (2) - Axelrod, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
Ampharos (1) - Rodemy
orangeandblack5 (1) - deadbananas
Slothful (1) - TerRaine
TerRaine (1) - orangeandblack5
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry (1) - xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx
xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx (1) - Starling
Not voting: gooLagoon, Trisscar
Starling replaces in for Kpaca. Rod switches over to DB. Axel switches over to Starling but I read that as a joke making fun of everyone piling on the guy (DB) that just replaced in. In just a few posts Starling makes a terrible vote on DB, without even reading the game and just full on bandwagons based on Tom's recommendation. This put DB at L-1 and according to TerRaine, he oopsie hammers DB.
TLDNR: I think there's a reason the Triss wagon couldn't get any traction and the DB wagon went warp speed. (This was mostly for my own notes, just talking the sequence of events through).
But seriously, Tom is playing the part of the power-wolfing scum. Do not just let him slide because he's Tom.
i also have no ******* clue how you've arrived at the conclusion that i'm scum with tubba, given my behavior towards that slot this game
also neither of you should be sussing tom but whatever
Did you have any thoughts on DB at all?
If you can argue that no traction makes someone a wolf, then you can argue that traction makes someone town, trains springing up and down at random times means very little, now if this is like EOD, I might think about it
may change my mind later
No, I'm not, obviously
We stopped to eat so it's taken longer than anticipated but I've just been taking notes on my phone so prep for those
Anyway, here's my reads for rn:
Confirmed-ish:
Rodemy
Rhand
Wisp
Town-Lean:
Amy
Lagoon
WMU
Null:
Joe
O&B
Terry
???:
Axel
Scummy:
Triss
Tom
I liked Lagoon's early claim and most content since. The other two are largely gut but I feel like their content has seemed more townie than many others
I think Triss and Tom could be scum together. The push on DB potentially saved Triss yesterDay, though I think both have been scummy in their own right. I'd have to look back at their interactions though, which is sort of difficult on here.
Confused by Axel's slot. Even if he's telling the truth, his target could be scum, making him anti-town. I agree that a target claim could be helpful.
I have no real leads on the other Carrow, but I feel like mafia should be our priority anyway, assuming they exist
So idk
The "lol" is un-ironically the scummiest part
/vote Starling
Please tell me again why Tom is such a non-starter for you.
I think his start today has been better and his admission he doesn't know how to scumhunt seems cognitively consistent with his D2 play, assuming that isn't a lie
ya, lets yeet this
vote: Starling
in regards to admitting all his posts were garbage and was just doing things for literally reasons he couldn't explain
yo, what do you think of your target at the moment? Town or Mafia?
I knew it couldnt be just one because of the wincon
But 3 still seemed like too much
And sure enough its 2.5 with wisp coming back
Well. 5 total. But only 2 concurrently, up to 3 with revive
Pretty sure its:
Last>rhand
Tubba>???
Naturalness of rhand/last claims
Fakeness of tubba claim
Tubba successor not claiming at all
Rodemy confirming action
<scum dont come back to life>
Etc
Sucks that riddle mechanic took our doc but a tubba partner should be vanilla now too so thats something
This seems close to solvable
same *****
tell me what is so great about Tom
- Somebody link me the "guilty" on Tubba from Sloth
- Rod why the **** do you tell Wisp you won't lynch their teammate and you think they're town in the same breath you... vote their "teammate" who you apparently think is scum???
- Rod you're going off the rails what the ****, seriously take a break my dude
- JoeTerry's posts today have been way worse, basically all AtE/needless conflict with a revived player
- (A claimed 3p) voting tom for being wrong is absurd
- Rod you claimed one-night vanillaizer and then two-night roleblocker, if you're claiming anyways can it please be legible
- Amy why do you clear Tom and goo so readily?
- Amy absolutely correct on the Riddles imo, Wisp has still been really good
- @Amy I'm a big fan of making Axel claim his target, am not a fan of the massclaim idea
- Joe suggesting Startling/TerRaine wagons is great though, that's plus all the town points he lost earlier
Strong Takes:
Amy prob town but their clearing of tom and especially goo is ???
Rod/Rhand/Wisp prob town, idk scum outs their whole team if Tubba's convert could just CC the whole lot
Joe still gun to head town
TerRaine still not super convincing even if I like their attitude/personality
Starling easily topscum
tbf it's also goo but nobody is wagoning goo atm
...hah. Sloths one of best friends in RL and even he thinks my attitude is garbage