Sure I'm down to VOTE TUBBA
Font's not terrible at this game, at least one of her reads probably had merit and I'm cool with it being the same one I had.
Likelihood of the poison target being in that grouping not low.
Who did Rhand replace again?
Note: Still not feeling great about KJ but I do owe him an ISO at some point.
Anyone have thoughts on Ter?
I'm starting to think Axel is the other SK Carrow.
This:
"Well, have to say, with all the killing in this game I think my already very marginal chances of "winning" just plummeted even further. "
After explaining how poison works, even after Amy did before but seemingly without noticing it, all just strikes me weird.
can you talk more about "weird"?
And why does the weirdness make you think Carrow specifically?
Second is probably a left over from Town of Salem knowledge, that it's unlikely that maf will claim a neut since there's a good shot of being killed regardless, while a neut may claim a safer (read less kill potential) neut role (if not claim a town one) because it puts them on the back burner and gives them more time.
First one is just my brain tossing up suspicion based on.... language/timing/phrasing/avoided topics/seemingly useless comments? Feel like there's a word for most of that as a concept....
Also was going to use that scene from the one KP ep where she's dressing up like the totally-not-Paris-Hilton villain to get inside a place, buuut couldn't find it on short notice so...
It takes 9 to elim, and Day 2 Deadline is July 11th, 2020 at 1715 PST. There will likely be a twilight phase.
Poisoned players learn they are poisoned when they become poisoned.
Also, the time in the alt-text when you mouse over a post time may or not be accurate. You may be able to check your time zone settings and adjust to your time, though I'm not confident that will make a difference. It's still on Central Time for me.
Also, a reminder that your votes are much more likely to be seen if they are on their own line in addition to being bolded.
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Consider my vote on Tubba spiritually, and that's already a pretty sizeable wagon right at the start of day 2.
This is an odd statement. Why do you hesitate to vote? A fourth vote is not going to do anything irreparable and the only reason not to being 'he already has enough votes' and not 'I don't want to vote him' is ????
Tough question for me. I'm finding it hard to read anyone.
Either they have town points, or they're not making enough impact for me to read. And any vibe I felt from Day 1 is not sticking too, so......
I guess Jack can be conf town for now unless someone CC him.
On Tubba, I don't really read him as anything. If it comes down to it, I could vote there but right now, it seems pointless to vote there without anything in particular I wanna ask him too.
I will backread before the weekend and see what I can gather from there.
I'm better when there's a mafia flip so I can read interactions. And I'm more motivated when I know what I'm doing too.
Gun to head, Amy is probably not fulcrum's other SK duo. They interacted too much.
So Amy, please answer at the question regarding the differences you found in the MC game and my play here who makes you vote me.
And i was multitabling in games that now are finished, I can focus here more, post and interact more than once in 12 hours. One od these games was MU team game that Aquilla hosted.
I woke up, btw. At least for now I am reporting for duty.
The NKs are little odd for me, Fulcrum i think is mafia target, she was town read by many, but idk what to do with Wisp dying, if mafia he may be the victim of a redirected shot, but i am sure he is villager. Also i guess Tom Riddle-s may have different AIs.
Iirc Ose said the characters are not connected with AI so who has a bad character is not always scum and who has a good one is not always town.
It makes sense? I have to read that once more though.
I wish to read a little in who pushed ZDS. That push was scum orchestrated for sure.
im still reading and phone posting on low batteries. But WTF!? To both the blood bath and flips as well as this post. Die scum
jack, what specifically about sloth's pushes would you describe as "aggro"?
because i'm in his iso and i was about to call him out for being too reasonable/agreeable/passive/whatever
I would say recently he is a lot more like that, aggressive is maybe too strong of a word. My issue was the way he handed Terry and Rod did not feel to me town, it felt more like a shark waiting for something to jump on. It felt too sudden to me at least, I may need to relook at it because people I'm wrong here.
so the analogy me and grapefruit were working on for sloth involves... really far too many basketball metaphors...
But what it comes down to is that when townsloth pushes people it feels like hes playing smothering defense (counterintuitive i know, offense as defense, but i think you might get it based on this post)
The analog i came up with was patrick beverley. If that means anything to anyone.
So that aggression for him is being in his scumreads' face, make them work for every step, tenacious. Just, generally making it hard for them to do what they want to do, forcing them into lower percentage shots.
The theory then goes, scumsloth pushes people by going for steals and jumping passing lanes. So rather than directly effecting them, hes waiting for them to make a mistake to jump on.
Thats why his weak ass "gotcha" on last pinged me so hard. Looks like sloth thinking he saw last not protect the ball very well and tried to poke it free
Perhaps we just havent seen him sink his teeth in. I guess hes vla, its still not that late in the day...
But hes like
Top posting
#255
In regards to this post, I’d probably say the same thing I said in regards to Terry. I’d expect town!Sloth to stand his ground on his own opinion, rather than back off because others think its something that Terry could do as town
Page 1 of his iso is combinations of playfulness, and poking at Terry, also he votes Jack because ???
Calls out Rodemy as being possible scum? But he hasn’t said anything really about Jack, so IDK why his vote ended up there?
So Sloth can be a wolf I guess? His content on a macro level isn’t townie enough to volume clear him yet thats for sure
Sloth re-evaluating is probably something I like, but it still bothers me on a fundamental level, cause this isnt how I expect town!Sloth to treat his reads
So what happened between these two posts to result in these two statements for the game?
So this is gunna be one of those games were everyone thinks I'm a wolf and anything I just say is spew, lit
...for the life of me, I don't know where this came from. You weren't even being talked about at the time. It's like a holstered post you accidentally clicked Post on. Did you explain this?
I guess Jack can be conf town for now unless someone CC him.
Disagree, feel it should only be "confirmed killer of one player", not confirmed town.
NK on font/last (most likely font)
KP that killed ZDS (Jack)
KP that killed font/last (most likely last)
Odd-Night Poisoner SK (Font)
Potential Even-Night KP SK (?)
Trisscar, what do you feel is the likelihood of none of these being Town?
Why does a not-Town role kill Dork?
I agree that Amy/Font is probably unlikely.
Interested in the development of both major wagons yesterDay (Dork and Konan), with both being conf!town, the chances of neither of their wagons having mafia is very small. The possibility of there being mafia in both, and even the same mafia in both, are currently being looked into.
I've mentioned I'm curious about lagoon/tubba/KJ.
I'm still relatively fine with kpaca, rod, kind of joe, but I'm getting to the point where I might as well start from scratch.
Desperately want others to comment on Ter.
Meh on everything else. Mostly looking to interact.
I'm toying with the idea of OMGUSing Tom if his vote's based on what I think, but...effortttttt.
Did you read the points I made about Tubba in 1388? The ones that have nothing to do with ZDS? Why would ZDS' flip change my non ZDS case on Tubba?
Why do you link with ZDS this? My question was if between #1388 and Eod nothing changed your read on Tubba, and i think it was pretty obvious. If not, my bad, you can answer now.
So Amy, please answer at the question regarding the differences you found in the MC game and my play here who makes you vote me.
And i was multitabling in games that now are finished, I can focus here more, post and interact more than once in 12 hours. One od these games was MU team game that Aquilla hosted.
I woke up, btw. At least for now I am reporting for duty.
The NKs are little odd for me, Fulcrum i think is mafia target, she was town read by many, but idk what to do with Wisp dying, if mafia he may be the victim of a redirected shot, but i am sure he is villager. Also i guess Tom Riddle-s may have different AIs.
Iirc Ose said the characters are not connected with AI so who has a bad character is not always scum and who has a good one is not always town.
It makes sense? I have to read that once more though.
I wish to read a little in who pushed ZDS. That push was scum orchestrated for sure.
im still reading and phone posting on low batteries. But WTF!? To both the blood bath and flips as well as this post. Die scum
Hiding after phone posting like it is disadvantageous in any way smh..
When you go into your confort pc zone explain the last sentence.
Until then i give you a reason to read twice my Iso.
Why do you link with ZDS this? My question was if between #1388 and Eod nothing changed your read on Tubba, and i think it was pretty obvious. If not, my bad, you can answer now.
Did you read the points I made about Tubba in 1388? The ones that have nothing to do with ZDS? Why would ZDS' flip change my non ZDS case on Tubba?
Why do you link with ZDS this? My question was if between #1388 and Eod nothing changed your read on Tubba, and i think it was pretty obvious. If not, my bad, you can answer now.
Actually you're the one who bought up ZDS by saying "But you also had ZDS scum there if my note is accurate, nothing since then changed your oppinion?"
Either way...the point stil stands Tubba's done little to refute the points I made in that post.
jack, what specifically about sloth's pushes would you describe as "aggro"?
because i'm in his iso and i was about to call him out for being too reasonable/agreeable/passive/whatever
I would say recently he is a lot more like that, aggressive is maybe too strong of a word. My issue was the way he handed Terry and Rod did not feel to me town, it felt more like a shark waiting for something to jump on. It felt too sudden to me at least, I may need to relook at it because people I'm wrong here.
so the analogy me and grapefruit were working on for sloth involves... really far too many basketball metaphors...
But what it comes down to is that when townsloth pushes people it feels like hes playing smothering defense (counterintuitive i know, offense as defense, but i think you might get it based on this post)
The analog i came up with was patrick beverley. If that means anything to anyone.
So that aggression for him is being in his scumreads' face, make them work for every step, tenacious. Just, generally making it hard for them to do what they want to do, forcing them into lower percentage shots.
The theory then goes, scumsloth pushes people by going for steals and jumping passing lanes. So rather than directly effecting them, hes waiting for them to make a mistake to jump on.
Thats why his weak ass "gotcha" on last pinged me so hard. Looks like sloth thinking he saw last not protect the ball very well and tried to poke it free
Perhaps we just havent seen him sink his teeth in. I guess hes vla, its still not that late in the day...
But hes like
Top posting
#255
In regards to this post, I’d probably say the same thing I said in regards to Terry. I’d expect town!Sloth to stand his ground on his own opinion, rather than back off because others think its something that Terry could do as town
Page 1 of his iso is combinations of playfulness, and poking at Terry, also he votes Jack because ???
Calls out Rodemy as being possible scum? But he hasn’t said anything really about Jack, so IDK why his vote ended up there?
So Sloth can be a wolf I guess? His content on a macro level isn’t townie enough to volume clear him yet thats for sure
Sloth re-evaluating is probably something I like, but it still bothers me on a fundamental level, cause this isnt how I expect town!Sloth to treat his reads
So what happened between these two posts to result in these two statements for the game?
So this is gunna be one of those games were everyone thinks I'm a wolf and anything I just say is spew, lit
...for the life of me, I don't know where this came from. You weren't even being talked about at the time. It's like a holstered post you accidentally clicked Post on. Did you explain this?
Yeah I was wondering if it was the basketball thing again.
Tom, you have now played at least 2 completed games with town!me since Prison (more maybe?), the game you based this analogy on.
In one of those games (Matter) you also suspected me based on me not doing that tenacity thing. I'm not going to throw shade about how that game ended up working out between us, but you remember it as well as I do.
You have seen that this is not a accurate way to read me, nor is it even accurate to my town!game, so why the hell are you trying?
This without even bringing up that I've already said D1 that I'm deliberately kicking my feet up and approaching this game at my leisure since it's my first bastard, which you appear to have ignored.
Thing is, I also have a hard time believing you would continue the basketball thing after it failed you twice.
Did you read the points I made about Tubba in 1388? The ones that have nothing to do with ZDS? Why would ZDS' flip change my non ZDS case on Tubba?
Why do you link with ZDS this? My question was if between #1388 and Eod nothing changed your read on Tubba, and i think it was pretty obvious. If not, my bad, you can answer now.
Actually you're the one who bought up ZDS by saying "But you also had ZDS scum there if my note is accurate, nothing since then changed your oppinion?"
Either way...the point stil stands Tubba's done little to refute the points I made in that post.
I gave you an eg in that post that didn't age well, I wanted to know what makes you think the Tubba read is still valid and now i see you weren't convinced by him.
Actually i strongly doubt you didn't understand me and i think you just played dumb. -1
I guess Jack can be conf town for now unless someone CC him.
Disagree, feel it should only be "confirmed killer of one player", not confirmed town.
NK on font/last (most likely font)
KP that killed ZDS (Jack)
KP that killed font/last (most likely last)
Odd-Night Poisoner SK (Font)
Potential Even-Night KP SK (?)
Trisscar, what do you feel is the likelihood of none of these being Town?
Why does a not-Town role kill Dork?
Sleep. Night!
Mmm... Purely from a balance perspective:
IF Town exists
IF Multiple other factions exist
IF Non-Town factions each or mostly each have a kill shot somewhere
It doesn't make a ton of sense to me to have town have no kill roles, unless the idea is that town would not likely survive regardless. Which seems rude to town, so I'mma go with the logic that that is not how this setup works.
That said, that does not mean that any of the kills last Night Phase were town kills. Even with a town kill role, that role could still potentially have held back last night. That would mean that.... three or four?.... kills happened despite that however.
Town killing role could have shot, but is choosing not to claim it, potentially to avoid being lynched on suspicion of cover story, or because they want to avoid the nightkill of the maf or other factions.
By that same logic, Jack could have claimed the shot as Town kill to cover. They could also be telling the truth. Therefore they are not confirmed as town kill, but it does seem unlikely that they would claim a kill they never made at all unless some very specific gambit is going on.
I gave you an eg in that post that didn't age well, I wanted to know what makes you think the Tubba read is still valid and now i see you weren't convinced by him.
Actually i strongly doubt you didn't understand me and i think you just played dumb. -1
If the ZDS case was in any way tied to it I could see using that an an example of my read on Tubba being flawed and not aging well along side it. As it stands you're pretty much admitting that you are just tying the mislynch into an unrelated case in order to shade my reads without actually having to address their content.
I gave you an eg in that post that didn't age well, I wanted to know what makes you think the Tubba read is still valid and now i see you weren't convinced by him.
Actually i strongly doubt you didn't understand me and i think you just played dumb. -1
I think if you read #2038 you might find that it was very easy to misunderstand your meaning, if it was that.
Do you see anything in particular from Tubba that should have changed Ter's mind but didn't?
Mmm... Purely from a balance perspective:
IF Town exists
IF Multiple other factions exist
IF Non-Town factions each or mostly each have a kill shot somewhere
It doesn't make a ton of sense to me to have town have no kill roles, unless the idea is that town would not likely survive regardless. Which seems rude to town, so I'mma go with the logic that that is not how this setup works.
That said, that does not mean that any of the kills last Night Phase were town kills. Even with a town kill role, that role could still potentially have held back last night. That would mean that.... three or four?.... kills happened despite that however.
Town killing role could have shot, but is choosing not to claim it, potentially to avoid being lynched on suspicion of cover story, or because they want to avoid the nightkill of the maf or other factions.
By that same logic, Jack could have claimed the shot as Town kill to cover. They could also be telling the truth. Therefore they are not confirmed as town kill, but it does seem unlikely that they would claim a kill they never made at all unless some very specific gambit is going on.
I think Fulcrum was the NK and Wisp was killed by the second SK.
I don’t know why everyone seems to think the second SK has even Night KP when Fulcrum’s target dies delayed.
Ah crap forgot that one, apologies.
...I can see it if someone is from a third party faction, and they for some reason thought ZDS was a maf, or dangerous role that needing offing immediately. Which admittedly does not make much sense here since it was D1 and I personally did not notice a whole lot that would induce that thought from ZDS's play.
I can also see it if someone aimed a kill and it was redirected. I don't actually know what flavor of redirect and if the killer would be notified.
I could probably go down a couple rabbit holes and see it being a random shot that no one controlled for whatever reason, a reflect-style function of another role (which is technically a redirect but still an odd one), "Voldemort gets bored/Nagini gets hungry and offs a player a night based on actions taken", some kind of false death mechanic, etc. These are closer to wormholes than rabbit holes though.
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Didn't this already get asked awhile ago
Second is probably a left over from Town of Salem knowledge, that it's unlikely that maf will claim a neut since there's a good shot of being killed regardless, while a neut may claim a safer (read less kill potential) neut role (if not claim a town one) because it puts them on the back burner and gives them more time.
First one is just my brain tossing up suspicion based on.... language/timing/phrasing/avoided topics/seemingly useless comments? Feel like there's a word for most of that as a concept....
Nice, thankee.
I put him on blast in my #1388.
tom, why haven't you given a read on Tubba. Or did I miss one somewhere?
Tubba Fett (3) - Ampharos, Slothful, TerRaine
Slothful (1) - tomsloger
Not voting: Axelrod, Fuwa, gooLagoon, Jackrito, Killjoy, kpaca, Rhand, Rodemy, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Trisscar, Tubba Fett, xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx
Vote History:
Slothful - Tubba Fett
tomsloger - Slothful
TerRaine - Tubba Fett
It takes 9 to elim, and Day 2 Deadline is July 11th, 2020 at 1715 PST. There will likely be a twilight phase.
Poisoned players learn they are poisoned when they become poisoned.
Also, the time in the alt-text when you mouse over a post time may or not be accurate. You may be able to check your time zone settings and adjust to your time, though I'm not confident that will make a difference. It's still on Central Time for me.
Also, a reminder that your votes are much more likely to be seen if they are on their own line in addition to being bolded.
2. tomsloger
3. Rodemy
4. Axelrod
5. Fuwa
6. kpaca
7. Jackrito
8. Slothful-Not poisoned
9. TerRaine -Not poisoned
10. gooLagoon-Not poisoned
11. Tubba Fett
12. Ampharos -Not poisoned
13. xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx
14. TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
15.
Poison ChanRhand16.
ZioniteTrisscarfor reference thus far
Wanna talk about it, tom?
This is an odd statement. Why do you hesitate to vote? A fourth vote is not going to do anything irreparable and the only reason not to being 'he already has enough votes' and not 'I don't want to vote him' is ????
Well since the flip I'm pretty certain ZDS is town....
Either they have town points, or they're not making enough impact for me to read. And any vibe I felt from Day 1 is not sticking too, so......
I guess Jack can be conf town for now unless someone CC him.
On Tubba, I don't really read him as anything. If it comes down to it, I could vote there but right now, it seems pointless to vote there without anything in particular I wanna ask him too.
I will backread before the weekend and see what I can gather from there.
I'm better when there's a mafia flip so I can read interactions. And I'm more motivated when I know what I'm doing too.
Gun to head, Amy is probably not fulcrum's other SK duo. They interacted too much.
How bout you? Where are you at?
Nope. In summary?
Disagree, feel it should only be "confirmed killer of one player", not confirmed town.
No really? Do you think i was talking about ZDS?
Did you read the points I made about Tubba in 1388? The ones that have nothing to do with ZDS? Why would ZDS' flip change my non ZDS case on Tubba?
KP that killed ZDS (Jack)
KP that killed font/last (most likely last)
Odd-Night Poisoner SK (Font)
Potential Even-Night KP SK (?)
Trisscar, what do you feel is the likelihood of none of these being Town?
Why does a not-Town role kill Dork?
I agree that Amy/Font is probably unlikely.
Interested in the development of both major wagons yesterDay (Dork and Konan), with both being conf!town, the chances of neither of their wagons having mafia is very small. The possibility of there being mafia in both, and even the same mafia in both, are currently being looked into.
I've mentioned I'm curious about lagoon/tubba/KJ.
I'm still relatively fine with kpaca, rod, kind of joe, but I'm getting to the point where I might as well start from scratch.
Desperately want others to comment on Ter.
Meh on everything else. Mostly looking to interact.
I'm toying with the idea of OMGUSing Tom if his vote's based on what I think, but...effortttttt.
Sleep. Night!
Why do you link with ZDS this? My question was if between #1388 and Eod nothing changed your read on Tubba, and i think it was pretty obvious. If not, my bad, you can answer now.
Hiding after phone posting like it is disadvantageous in any way smh..
When you go into your confort pc zone explain the last sentence.
Until then i give you a reason to read twice my Iso.
Vote: TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
Actually you're the one who bought up ZDS by saying "But you also had ZDS scum there if my note is accurate, nothing since then changed your oppinion?"
Either way...the point stil stands Tubba's done little to refute the points I made in that post.
Tom, you have now played at least 2 completed games with town!me since Prison (more maybe?), the game you based this analogy on.
In one of those games (Matter) you also suspected me based on me not doing that tenacity thing. I'm not going to throw shade about how that game ended up working out between us, but you remember it as well as I do.
You have seen that this is not a accurate way to read me, nor is it even accurate to my town!game, so why the hell are you trying?
This without even bringing up that I've already said D1 that I'm deliberately kicking my feet up and approaching this game at my leisure since it's my first bastard, which you appear to have ignored.
Thing is, I also have a hard time believing you would continue the basketball thing after it failed you twice.
In conclussion, oh my god, Tom. You suck.
I gave you an eg in that post that didn't age well, I wanted to know what makes you think the Tubba read is still valid and now i see you weren't convinced by him.
Actually i strongly doubt you didn't understand me and i think you just played dumb. -1
On that note....I am sleepy.
bonne nuit
Mmm... Purely from a balance perspective:
IF Town exists
IF Multiple other factions exist
IF Non-Town factions each or mostly each have a kill shot somewhere
It doesn't make a ton of sense to me to have town have no kill roles, unless the idea is that town would not likely survive regardless. Which seems rude to town, so I'mma go with the logic that that is not how this setup works.
That said, that does not mean that any of the kills last Night Phase were town kills. Even with a town kill role, that role could still potentially have held back last night. That would mean that.... three or four?.... kills happened despite that however.
Town killing role could have shot, but is choosing not to claim it, potentially to avoid being lynched on suspicion of cover story, or because they want to avoid the nightkill of the maf or other factions.
By that same logic, Jack could have claimed the shot as Town kill to cover. They could also be telling the truth. Therefore they are not confirmed as town kill, but it does seem unlikely that they would claim a kill they never made at all unless some very specific gambit is going on.
Also sleep op, may it ever be saved from nerfs.
If the ZDS case was in any way tied to it I could see using that an an example of my read on Tubba being flawed and not aging well along side it. As it stands you're pretty much admitting that you are just tying the mislynch into an unrelated case in order to shade my reads without actually having to address their content.
Ok....NOW sleep....
Do you see anything in particular from Tubba that should have changed Ter's mind but didn't?
Also, this post's a touch reachy.
I think Fulcrum was the NK and Wisp was killed by the second SK.
I don’t know why everyone seems to think the second SK has even Night KP when Fulcrum’s target dies delayed.
Ah crap forgot that one, apologies.
...I can see it if someone is from a third party faction, and they for some reason thought ZDS was a maf, or dangerous role that needing offing immediately. Which admittedly does not make much sense here since it was D1 and I personally did not notice a whole lot that would induce that thought from ZDS's play.
I can also see it if someone aimed a kill and it was redirected. I don't actually know what flavor of redirect and if the killer would be notified.
I could probably go down a couple rabbit holes and see it being a random shot that no one controlled for whatever reason, a reflect-style function of another role (which is technically a redirect but still an odd one), "Voldemort gets bored/Nagini gets hungry and offs a player a night based on actions taken", some kind of false death mechanic, etc. These are closer to wormholes than rabbit holes though.