Tom is town here, his push on me was genuine and fits well. Look at those who jumped on towards the middle of the wagon most. but don't focus too heavily on the wagon here. Scum didn't really need to jump on this one as it was led pretty well by town and I didn't do enough to dissuade it. They are most likely somewhere else.
This logic works if and only if you assume Sloth was scum, which I disagree with decently strongly - otherwise, they would absolutely be on your wagon.
I know you well enough to know that your good enough to look town. Fuwa was a scummy slot. Their vote on Konan was just blatantly sheeping even after they said they didn't want to vote Konan. They had no progression after that. You come in and see your buddy Sloth being pushed and you pretty quickly jump to his defense. Sorry if I'm wrong here, but I'm willing to bet I'm not.
Chock in interactions with Trisscar, like you telling her to interact, and then she interacts with you and you tell her someone else. Town you takes interactions with everyone especially when you are trying to read them.
If Im Carrow I've lost already. I'm not that stubborn that I wouldn't out myself after I was hammered lol. But I can see where your coming from with not trusting the unbolded vote. Tom, look into Orange and Sloth connections. I know you already don't trust Sloth.
I really hope the Dark Mark isn't a bunch of bullet-proof vests. Can you imagine how much of a slog that could turn the game into?
that dark mark text was on every flip but last
That doesn't mean it give the same thing for every player. You should know that. It's probably vague for, you know, a reason.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Dark mark is most likely a pool of things based on what line comes with it. I'm dead anyway so incase mine doesn't flip how many shots I had I only had 1 shot of killproof. I'm guessing that there were other options in there, and the more ranks you get the better rewards. I atleast am pretty confident on the different lines post from earlier.
I know you well enough to know that your good enough to look town. Fuwa was a scummy slot. Their vote on Konan was just blatantly sheeping even after they said they didn't want to vote Konan. They had no progression after that.
You come in and see your buddy Sloth being pushed and you pretty quickly jump to his defense. Sorry if I'm wrong here, but I'm willing to bet I'm not.
Funny you should bring this up as being similar to how I handled your slot in MHAFM - you're right, and I acknowledge as much.
The issue is, that really didn't work out. I'm not about to try that one again so soon after being burned by it, and I've been linking MHAFM several times in relation to my push on kpaca, so I've literally been actively inviting people to read the game you think I'm acting the same as. I think the best example I wouldn't do this with a partner so soon is probably from late-game Marbleympics, a game that had Amy, Rhand, sloth, WMU, tom, and Jackrito in it:
Note that Arete, my teammate, is expressly using the fact that I never bus and will instead hard-defend the living daylights out of my team here to defend our slot. If you think I walk away from such a stressful game where town barely won, roll scum here, and then turn around and fall right back into this, you're insane. Half this game would be after my head as soon as sloth flipped w, and tbh I still expect them to if I'm wrong about him.
At the end of the day though, we've been in more than just MHAFM, and you've seen me hard-defend people as town before. Hell, you've seen me do it as they were shooting me via ITA. I can totally see where you're coming from having been my partner in MHAFM, but that game was a learning experience, not something I'd willingly repeat.
Chock in interactions with Trisscar, like you telling her to interact, and then she interacts with you and you tell her someone else. Town you takes interactions with everyone especially when you are trying to read them.
I'm busy. Have a job now, am pretty drained from Marbleympics, and haven't been able to put nearly as much into interacting with or reading people as I would like. However, you're the only one that seems to assume that I've only interacted with sloth and Triss, as I've been grilled by tom, attacking kpaca, prodding TerRaine, defending Joe, soft-defending WMU, standing ready to look more closely at Amy, and have also interacted with Axel and Rhand.
You're conf-biasing yourself if you think me not having time to interact with Triss right then means they're scum with me. In the time since then, I haven't really been around to interact with anyone else at all, including TerRaine, who I dislike enough to vote. Hell, I missed most of today, including hammer. Not sure where you're getting the idea I'm avoiding them in particular when it's been the entire thread.
Now, even if I haven't managed to convince you, I'd like you to assume you're wrong, and I'm town. My defense of Sloth is in good faith - is he still scum? What about the rest of your reads? Who do you trust and distrust if you assume I was an IC? Right now your reads seem very centered on me, which makes sense, given I'm probably the only one here you've known for a while, but that isn't going to help us nearly as much as a more objective take on the other slots.
I really need to stop posting Readslists as town, they always get me scumread. I guess I just suck at making them as town.
Readslists are best used near the end of each day, to give people a concrete thing to look at should you go out, and to ensure that scum can't skate by without giving thoughts on other slots.
I don't think they're very effective for town in most cases outside of that.
You haven't only interacted with Sloth and Triss. They just jump out as the only ones that you have interacted in an odd way to me too. But I'll work with you here for the sake of why not. Sorry I won't be reading that game, not sure if I can finish it before I get hammered and after reading all of this game I'm not eager to read something unrelated.
Sloth is still most likely a wolf. As I said in my reads his posts are incredibly surface level despite their length. He has posted a ton and big posts but hasn't seemed to really get anywhere. It just doesn't seem like he's actually trying to go places. If you are an IC I think you need to reconsider your defense of that slot. Trisscar is more of a toss up without you, but I still feel their post about Axel doesn't come from town.
I'd reconsider Lagoon if you were an IC, since their lack of hard stances would then bring them even lower if they thought town had no clue on anything they could just waffle around. Their claim about not wanting to get targeted because they could mess things up and then wanting to be targeted by Jack is weird. I don't like it, how could they mess someone up more.
Tom is still town, I'd drop Ampharos a bit but as I said before if they haven't caught scum by D4, moving it back a day, and they are still alive yeet them. They are too strong a player and too universally town read for them to be left alive and getting things wrong.
Really I just think your scum because everyone else has things I find more towney about them. Rodemy is pretty solid town, so that leaves me with what, Rhand and a few others? I don't like it.
Ah, I always make readslist for others, maybe thats what I'm doing wrong. I know all my thoughts before hand, but I struggle to put them down to convince others in the small reads list spaces. I'll work on that next game I'm town. I think this game makes my town and scum games even, which is pretty cool
Beyond that I'll be sure to give that all serious consideration after you've flipped flipped
You can have some really good reads for your level of experience, wouldn't feel good ignoring them unless you really are just hoping the unbolded vote doesn't count lmao
Lol, alright I misunderstood. After reading that post I get what your saying. I'd drop you to a nullscum, I still think you are capable and have precedence of this as scum, and nothing you have done this game has stood out to me as something only town you would do.
TerRaine is a tough one. I really don't think the interactions with Sloth can be W/W, and I feel more solidly about sloth being scum. TerRaine just hasn't stood out to me much outside of that, which is weird from all the posts they have. I don't like that they only hammered me after the excuse of the unbolded vote, feels like they were setting up a cop out.
I feel like the unbolded vote should count, even though I'd rather not die. I'm not sure about the level of my reads, last game I was town was really bad, so I took a different approach this game. Probably wasn't best to change it up when everyone already was sussing me, but I think it helped me with my reads. I'm confident in my top town, and I'm confident that atleast two not town are in my null-scum section. Thats my legacy.
My post-Marbleympics engagement has been way lower between catching up on work and being put through the ******* wringer
I have never had a game tax me nearly that much mentally, ever
For example, you and I both know I'm top-poster basically all the time, always - in the one game between Marbleympics and now, I was 9th poster out of 15 players.
about the vote and then yeet himself into the sun?
are you implying I am scum for that?
Nope. Still a prickly cactus of towndom. It was a joke. I do think though if you're not chill with the wagon any more then you should try unvoting. Either it won't matter and nothing changes or it will and you get to voice why you think we should be elsewhere.
Jesus, thats a high posting game. Thats fine, I don't think you have a volume tell, I've seen you post a lot as both town and scum. Maybe the posts I saw jumped out to me more because there were less posts overall. I'll have to see if I was wrong or right maybe shortly, not sure of Osie spoils the dead people.
Anyway, I gotta go now. Got a college livestream I have to attend. I'll hop on later or maybe during if its boring and see if I've been hammered. It was fun playing with you all!
Jesus, thats a high posting game. Thats fine, I don't think you have a volume tell, I've seen you post a lot as both town and scum. Maybe the posts I saw jumped out to me more because there were less posts overall. I'll have to see if I was wrong or right maybe shortly, not sure of Osie spoils the dead people.
Do you mean Marbleympics or the JOAT9
Because JOAT9 had a 150 post cap per slot (hydras shared the 150)
Anyway, I gotta go now. Got a college livestream I have to attend. I'll hop on later or maybe during if its boring and see if I've been hammered. It was fun playing with you all!
Ya ninja'd me before but....the info ya got literally from the person being potentially hammered. I take that with a grain of salt and it's why I'm not trying to unvote. Like I said...either your unvote does nothing OR it counts. It doesn't cost ya anything so might as well try.
...we already hashed this out. I think you're defense of WMU's antics is off putting. I think you acting like my going after kpaca was weird is off putting. We keep going in circles on this. Its frustrates the hell out of me to keep gong over it and then no one batts an eye.
Same for the points I make about WMU. Some players go "I'm just going to ignore WMU/Ter thing"
Or when I agree with a common sense point of "it doesn't matter if I know I'm right as town I need to convince others" I'm just "pocketing"
Town aint listening to a damn thing I say so I'm not particularly motivated to bother blathering on and on. I'll cast my vote at this point and wait for flips. If this is scummy to y'all then so be it and lynch me but I'm tired of saying "here's my case" and being asked days later like orange and wmu "well what's your case? oh you don't want to do double the work. Pssh scum"
Well if nothing else this frustration is definitely real. Probably should be NAI, but I'm ranking it as slightly town>rand.
I still have no idea why you are doing some things you do.
Let's cut through some of the things here:
I don't see how a lot of what I said about WMU was a hard defense for him specifically. I saw people drawing conclusions that made no sense to draw from what he said, which is suspect to me.
Once the potential language barrier came out, that became even more relevant, not less, imo.
You were not going after kpaca, if that means figuring him out for the game, you were just plain antagonizing him. There's obviously a difference and I don't feel like going over it again.
The reason why I (and I assume others) ignored the WMU/you thing is because you were both going in circles and giving no new information. Even you said that, why would we need t reread the same thing over and over?
fwiw, I don't see how you repeating something someone already said is scummy, depending on the context.
Btw, when someone asks for your case and you've already said it, you could just link them to the post, instead of repeating it.
so youre saying her interactions, while *tenacious*, dont seem to deeply matter towards solving the game
@bananas: if even one of {Trisscar/Orange/me} is town, does your entire team fall apart?
The answer seems to be 'yes' btw, and that's a problem. So, if you're going to say 'no', you better explain that thoroughly.
Also this scumteam really relies on all 3 of us randomly deciding to vouch and stick up for one another for no real reason. Which...ya, that's not smart play.
I'm a little thrown by Jack's #2923, specifically his comments on me. This is ironic since he's said this about me in this and other games, but I kind of expect him to have figured out my alignment already? If he's town, that is.
Not against his point on Trisscar on their own, though.
@Rod ...dude, KJ's been looked at by me since D1, how do you define "under fire"?
His suspicion of Rhand over the same ***** he did not suspect tom for in Prison is off to me too. You were in that game, but I think you subbed in later?
I've told you why I said it over and over again. I believe until the mod descends from the heaven and hands us the golden plates with an answer...we don't know for sure so keep going. If you don't get it then I can't help you.
Also words cannot express how offensively stupid I find the idea that I would allow my scummate to come in and "save me" instead of tearing them a new one for trying. I know bananas doesn't know me but...jfc.
This is all I'll say on that particular note, 'cause anything else is just a teardown on bananas that would probably be mean-spirited.
Anyway, hope Osie clarifies whether that vote counted soon, we're 3 hours from Day end and I don't want it to come down to the wire.
Anyway, might as well claim now since I won't be able to be on for the real EoD.
I'm Lucius Malfoy. At the start of the game my slot got to choose between being an innocent child at the start of the game, and receiving a dark mark. KJ chose the dark mark. I gained a certain number, not saying how many, shots of killproof, just re-flavored bulletproof. My dark mark quote is your worries will be lessened. Which is why I speculated that quote means protective abilities. If you don't believe me have Jack shoot me tonight.
This logic works if and only if you assume Sloth was scum, which I disagree with decently strongly - otherwise, they would absolutely be on your wagon.
The OP does say that bolding is only recommended
If osie declares day not over I can look into pivoting elsewhere
Currently leaning Starling because that vote was awful on a slot I already hate
Claim stinks
The argument hes making that carrow wouldnt have the protection role is ridiculous when fonti flipped with the same dark mark text
Again, don't yeet Tom.
Argument is I wouldn't have had one yet and no kill. Though I guess you can't trust that I don't have a kill yet.
Funny you should bring this up as being similar to how I handled your slot in MHAFM - you're right, and I acknowledge as much.
The issue is, that really didn't work out. I'm not about to try that one again so soon after being burned by it, and I've been linking MHAFM several times in relation to my push on kpaca, so I've literally been actively inviting people to read the game you think I'm acting the same as. I think the best example I wouldn't do this with a partner so soon is probably from late-game Marbleympics, a game that had Amy, Rhand, sloth, WMU, tom, and Jackrito in it:
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/26404-Marblelympics-Team-Mafia?p=4052690&highlight=orange bus#post4052690
Note that Arete, my teammate, is expressly using the fact that I never bus and will instead hard-defend the living daylights out of my team here to defend our slot. If you think I walk away from such a stressful game where town barely won, roll scum here, and then turn around and fall right back into this, you're insane. Half this game would be after my head as soon as sloth flipped w, and tbh I still expect them to if I'm wrong about him.
At the end of the day though, we've been in more than just MHAFM, and you've seen me hard-defend people as town before. Hell, you've seen me do it as they were shooting me via ITA. I can totally see where you're coming from having been my partner in MHAFM, but that game was a learning experience, not something I'd willingly repeat.
I'm busy. Have a job now, am pretty drained from Marbleympics, and haven't been able to put nearly as much into interacting with or reading people as I would like. However, you're the only one that seems to assume that I've only interacted with sloth and Triss, as I've been grilled by tom, attacking kpaca, prodding TerRaine, defending Joe, soft-defending WMU, standing ready to look more closely at Amy, and have also interacted with Axel and Rhand.
You're conf-biasing yourself if you think me not having time to interact with Triss right then means they're scum with me. In the time since then, I haven't really been around to interact with anyone else at all, including TerRaine, who I dislike enough to vote. Hell, I missed most of today, including hammer. Not sure where you're getting the idea I'm avoiding them in particular when it's been the entire thread.
Now, even if I haven't managed to convince you, I'd like you to assume you're wrong, and I'm town. My defense of Sloth is in good faith - is he still scum? What about the rest of your reads? Who do you trust and distrust if you assume I was an IC? Right now your reads seem very centered on me, which makes sense, given I'm probably the only one here you've known for a while, but that isn't going to help us nearly as much as a more objective take on the other slots.
Readslists are best used near the end of each day, to give people a concrete thing to look at should you go out, and to ensure that scum can't skate by without giving thoughts on other slots.
I don't think they're very effective for town in most cases outside of that.
Used to organize thoughts
Sloth is still most likely a wolf. As I said in my reads his posts are incredibly surface level despite their length. He has posted a ton and big posts but hasn't seemed to really get anywhere. It just doesn't seem like he's actually trying to go places. If you are an IC I think you need to reconsider your defense of that slot. Trisscar is more of a toss up without you, but I still feel their post about Axel doesn't come from town.
I'd reconsider Lagoon if you were an IC, since their lack of hard stances would then bring them even lower if they thought town had no clue on anything they could just waffle around. Their claim about not wanting to get targeted because they could mess things up and then wanting to be targeted by Jack is weird. I don't like it, how could they mess someone up more.
Tom is still town, I'd drop Ampharos a bit but as I said before if they haven't caught scum by D4, moving it back a day, and they are still alive yeet them. They are too strong a player and too universally town read for them to be left alive and getting things wrong.
Really I just think your scum because everyone else has things I find more towney about them. Rodemy is pretty solid town, so that leaves me with what, Rhand and a few others? I don't like it.
you don't need to read all of Marbleympics
jfc
even I didn't do that and I placed the game's final vote
just the single post I linked lmao
You can have some really good reads for your level of experience, wouldn't feel good ignoring them unless you really are just hoping the unbolded vote doesn't count lmao
about the vote and then yeet himself into the sun?
are you implying I am scum for that?
My post-Marbleympics engagement has been way lower between catching up on work and being put through the ******* wringer
I have never had a game tax me nearly that much mentally, ever
For example, you and I both know I'm top-poster basically all the time, always - in the one game between Marbleympics and now, I was 9th poster out of 15 players.
https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fm-geyde-pfps-joat9-the-lying-darkness-and-fireman-wins-2-2/82543?u=orangeandblack5
Sorry if that's a disappointment but it's what I'm comfortable doing at this point in my life
Nope. Still a prickly cactus of towndom. It was a joke. I do think though if you're not chill with the wagon any more then you should try unvoting. Either it won't matter and nothing changes or it will and you get to voice why you think we should be elsewhere.
Do you mean Marbleympics or the JOAT9
Because JOAT9 had a 150 post cap per slot (hydras shared the 150)
That's kinda low
Hammer aint a hammer til a mod tells you its a hammer. I think you play the game til the ref blows the whistle.
Not sure where Osie is going to fall on bold vs. unbold so assume game on.
Personally I'm still fine where my vote is. You expressed otherwise so I think you should try and do something bout it .
Seeya buddy, until we meet again
this is the info I got. It’s a hammer. Osie never said you had to bold the votes.
My unvote does nothing
..I have no idea what this is directed at.
But yes. Do you agree?
The answer seems to be 'yes' btw, and that's a problem. So, if you're going to say 'no', you better explain that thoroughly.
Also this scumteam really relies on all 3 of us randomly deciding to vouch and stick up for one another for no real reason. Which...ya, that's not smart play.
I'm a little thrown by Jack's #2923, specifically his comments on me. This is ironic since he's said this about me in this and other games, but I kind of expect him to have figured out my alignment already? If he's town, that is.
Not against his point on Trisscar on their own, though.
@Rod ...dude, KJ's been looked at by me since D1, how do you define "under fire"?
His suspicion of Rhand over the same ***** he did not suspect tom for in Prison is off to me too. You were in that game, but I think you subbed in later?
me not unvoting.
It’s irrelavent. We hammered. There is nothing in the OP rules that say votes need to be bolded.
This is all I'll say on that particular note, 'cause anything else is just a teardown on bananas that would probably be mean-spirited.
Anyway, hope Osie clarifies whether that vote counted soon, we're 3 hours from Day end and I don't want it to come down to the wire.
I should be around until the end now.
Here's the claim