You said you won't make a long catching up post, not that you won't make any. The eg of catch up post you made was not useful indeed but it would look normal for me to see from you something/anything about some ppl at least, as fully catched up new player in the game. Like some reads for eg.
Don't worry about my ESL lack of skills, i am asking anyway what i don't understand if i get i don't understand at least. I am not hiding behind it.
I'm working on a readslist. It will be out tomorrow. I've been working on interacting with some slots I was less sure about my placement of. Don't think I'll be able to get to them all, but I've made some progress.
@Deadbananas
"Could you give me the names of the 2 you are inclined to never believe? Do you have any thoughts on people alignment though? You mentioned not actively scumhunting, but you should still have some people you find town. My apologies if thats what you meant by Orange and Sloth, but to me that reasoning more seemed to be thinking they are good players, not alignment judging. But I have to agree on you with those two lol, long posts, but actually useful to read and I only was tempted to scroll past a few of sloth's giant post on my read through."
Kpaca and WMU.
I'm expecting this to be a game with at least four-six factions honestly. The sheer amount of fighting gone and going on is either town doing the same stuff I saw in Osie's Sumthing game, or it's a lot of different people trying to play like scum for some reason. I wouldn't be surprised if town is actually outnumbered or near such from the start.
Orange and Sloth are indeed my only two major town leans atm, for previously stated reasons. Their posts are actually helpful, and that's a sight more than usual and therefore actually helpful to town.
Kpaca and WMU.
I'm expecting this to be a game with at least four-six factions honestly. The sheer amount of fighting gone and going on is either town doing the same stuff I saw in Osie's Sumthing game, or it's a lot of different people trying to play like scum for some reason. I wouldn't be surprised if town is actually outnumbered or near such from the start.
Orange and Sloth are indeed my only two major town leans atm, for previously stated reasons. Their posts are actually helpful, and that's a sight more than usual and therefore actually helpful to town.
I feel like its similar to the Sumting game personally, which is whats making this whole situation hard to read. I'll try not to repeat my game in there lol, whoo that was bad.
Thanks for your thoughts, you helped me get a better read on your slot than I had before.
Will do, hoping to see Amy sometime tomorrow before I post, but I understand they are having computer troubles. Then theres Kpaca, who I might be able to get to interact with me if he comes in and calls this post a use less waste of space, which it pretty much is if it doesn't summon him to interact with me tomorrow.
@Deadbananas
"Could you give me the names of the 2 you are inclined to never believe? Do you have any thoughts on people alignment though? You mentioned not actively scumhunting, but you should still have some people you find town. My apologies if thats what you meant by Orange and Sloth, but to me that reasoning more seemed to be thinking they are good players, not alignment judging. But I have to agree on you with those two lol, long posts, but actually useful to read and I only was tempted to scroll past a few of sloth's giant post on my read through."
Kpaca and WMU.
I'm expecting this to be a game with at least four-six factions honestly. The sheer amount of fighting gone and going on is either town doing the same stuff I saw in Osie's Sumthing game, or it's a lot of different people trying to play like scum for some reason. I wouldn't be surprised if town is actually outnumbered or near such from the start.
Orange and Sloth are indeed my only two major town leans atm, for previously stated reasons. Their posts are actually helpful, and that's a sight more than usual and therefore actually helpful to town.
Whom, from your pov, is trying to play like scum?
I see as convenient and in the thread's flow to say you can never believe me and i want details about this idea tbb
Wake, may I ask you a personal thing?
How would you rate your fluency in English, assuming I'm correct in remembering that it is not your first language?
I am not fluent in english. I kind of hate i have to use it because I can't express well my thoughts and i am limited by what i know.
Fair enough. May I point out that quite a few of your posts have a taunting tone to them, and I feel that is not helping your case?
My case? What means for you my case?
Side note, i don't play to be liked, i play to find scum.
Wake, may I ask you a personal thing?
How would you rate your fluency in English, assuming I'm correct in remembering that it is not your first language?
I am not fluent in english. I kind of hate i have to use it because I can't express well my thoughts and i am limited by what i know.
Fair enough. May I point out that quite a few of your posts have a taunting tone to them, and I feel that is not helping your case?
My case? What means for you my case?
Side note, i don't play to be liked, i play to find scum.
*looks at your response*
*looks at you*
Explain like i am idiot, i don't get what you say here.
This argument is basically I’m the stupidest scum alive and would put myself between the two town wagons knowing they’d flip town and implicate myself to that level. I may suck at being Town but I’m not a god damned idiot like this implies
Heh I’m not calling you an idiot
What I’m saying is that I can see scum reasons for not voting your top suspect but no town reasons.
And I still don’t get it. Why is Konan a better wagon when you have ZDS at the bottom of your list?
What culture did you grow up in, if I may ask, and what general area of your home country?
Is this relevant for my AI?
I get it's a social game, but while i choose to play almost anon (i knew some people may know me or guess my main) I don't want to give details about me until endgame. I already said, I am francophone, this may explain you that English is not even my second language because my second is French and culturally speaking I am far-off of most of the players who are Americans from what i know.
The chit-chat about myself being boring, i wish from you to engage me game related.
What culture did you grow up in, if I may ask, and what general area of your home country?
Is this relevant for my AI?
I get it's a social game, but while i choose to play almost anon (i knew some people may know me or guess my main) I don't want to give details about me until endgame. I already said, I am francophone, this may explain you that English is not even my second language because my second is French and culturally speaking I am far-off of most of the players who are Americans from what i know.
The chit-chat about myself being boring, i wish from you to engage me game related.
Wait what, no. I'm trying to figure out what kind of culture you came from so I can find a point of divergence of what is socially accepted versus not. Wut.
What culture did you grow up in, if I may ask, and what general area of your home country?
Is this relevant for my AI?
I get it's a social game, but while i choose to play almost anon (i knew some people may know me or guess my main) I don't want to give details about me until endgame. I already said, I am francophone, this may explain you that English is not even my second language because my second is French and culturally speaking I am far-off of most of the players who are Americans from what i know.
The chit-chat about myself being boring, i wish from you to engage me game related.
Wait what, no. I'm trying to figure out what kind of culture you came from so I can find a point of divergence of what is socially accepted versus not. Wut.
I am very understanding towards any divergence, you can do nothing wrong.
I get you don't ask me anything because you don't trust me? Is your mind set 100%? If yes, please explain.
Of the interactions with others you have had in this thread that I remember, the vast majority are slightly rude to my sense of what is socially acceptable. When I pointed that out, instead of trying to figure out what I was looking at, you dismissed it as "not needing to be liked to play mafia".
Except this is a team game, your rudeness has been pushing people who I assume are your teammates away from the game and you; and between you and the behavior of others, has made this entire bloody thread a massive slog to read through, and contributed to the lack of willingness to engage from apparently most of the players here. I spent the last several IRL days not wanting to call people out on things because I fully expected to get drawn into whatever flaming spat was going down at the time.
Causing players to not want to post or engage means it's easier for mafia to win. Theoretically it should be not only a scum only play, but people in general should be mature enough to not purposefully attempt it in the first place. Instead between this game and one of the previous ones I've played, I've been given the impression that it's a method people will use while town for whatever godforsaken nonsensical reason.
Which means that while I'd be reading you (and others) as scum for your behavior alone right now, I have to keep in mind that you (and others) apparently just play this game to win and will use whatever means to do so, even if it causes them to blackball you from future games they might otherwise participate in due to not wanting to deal with you anymore.
Also it's a goddamn GAME people. I was under the distinct impression that games are supposed to be fun, not cause current events to feel even bloody WORSE just by increasing the amount of stress because people can't be bothered to act any older than 13 maturity wise. When a online forum game where people pretend to be magical terrorists trying to assuage a tyrannical snake faced psychopath is ending up generating actual flame war level arguments, there is something seriously wrong happening.
In P1605 Amy votes me, starting my wagon, Wisp votes Konan in P#1625 followed by Tom in post 1627, though Wisp switches to ZDS is post 1647.
Fulcrum votes me in P#1648 followed by Konan in post 1650.
Now my wagon have 3 votes, Amy who implied i am a better wagon in post 1637, Fulcrum and Konan.
Wisp in post 1652 makes my wagon a 4 players one and Tom comes the 5th for 'towncred', didn't find yet if he explained what that towncred means
@Tom, maybe you can give details about your P#1657.
The 6th is Killjoy in post 1658 voting with a joke, I don't understand this vote too tbh. Post 1660, Amy seized the weirdness of the quick wagon formed, but Lagoon is the 7th on my wagon in post 1661.
WMU (7) - amy, fonti, konan, last, tom, KJ, lagoon
Konan (3) - ZDS, Terr, WMU
ZDS (3) - Rodemy, JoeTerry, Jack
tom (2) - kpaca, Tubba
Sloth (1) - Fuwa
Rod (1) - Trisscar
Not voting: Axelrod, Rhand, Slothful
I almost won the popularity contest of day 1, but Wisp understood i am villager and retured to ZDS in post 1667.
Tom is backing up very quick voting Konan in the next post, a bare vote.
Amy in 1674 votes Tuba asking Wisp why am I villager.
Lagoon votes without any explanation ZDS in post 1675.
Axel votes Konan too in post 1690 followed by Jack in 1694, Fulcrum in 1695 and Wisp in 1696.
the votes now are
Lagoon comes the 9th in post 1699
Konan comes back and in post 1716 he votes ZDS, Fulcrum switches as well for ZDS, no wonder he didn't care about the lynch. Wisp goes on ZDS too in post 1721 (and i am happy i am not hosting this game) Lagoon too in 1722.
Wisp switches for Tubba in post 1732.
Jack votes Tubba in post 1739, bare vote again and with his vote the 2 wagons of Konan and ZDS are tied again, this time without Tom, and we know they are both villagers.
Axel in P#1747 shows how Konan should be the lynch from the way Shadow claimed.
Post 1748 Wisp votes Konan, followed by Axel in 1750.
post 1753, Awa votes ZDS because her town leans were voting in that wagon.
1768 Kpaca unvotes.
1782, after Konan said he can see Shadow's posts on Discord, Fulcrum votes Konan.
1792 Kpaca votes Konan too prob the 9th vote according to Awa.
1795 Fulcrum unvotes to avoid hammer
1831 Rodemy quoted a Konan post and voted Konan. 1832 Jack unvoted and the Konan wagon is at 8 P#1841.
Last votes are from Fulcrum in post 1842, Awa in 1843, Lagoon in 1847
1855 Trisscar unvoted but that was after the hammer.
The dynamic of these votes was really interesting to watch step by step and most probably without Sloth asking i would forget about Rodemy's post (used with 48h as longest DP, maximum played 5 days DP and 2 days NP) and i would still postpone to check it like this. I still have to answer at Rodemy's and Sloth's posts, btw
Things i noticed are: the intense sheeping mood of almost everyone, the read Wisp had for me, the fact Wisp was listened in that read while he was itt, the fact Konan could not defend himself and was not believed and the fact in the last big wagons no wolf was in danger.
If you really need to check this last sentence by my flip, you can do it, but don't complain i didn't tell i am villager.
I am not really expert in wagonomics and i can't figure how the movement between 3 town wagons would make someone really scum, but I have some question marks for the next vote changes and for final votes who remained until Eod:
- Tom voted me for towncredit. I asked about it, and if i missed the answer please excuse me and link it to me.
- Killjoy voted me for tomcredit, whatever this means. And dropped the vote and left. I wish to know why.
- in Konan voters Terraine didn't switch his vote at all after that vote, he was in Konan's wagon when i voted and there remained until Eod. Can i know why?
- Lagoon switched many time his votes and hammered, i think is too in your face for scum so i'd say he is most probably villager for it, but i don't really know Lagoon as player. Can you explain me this voting behaviour Lagoon?
I will let this for now and return later if i find new clues.
All what i said about Terry is not contradicted by this Eod. Just saying.
@Lagoon when you come back, please give me your thoughts.
Well, assuming a Trisscar vote is going nowhere, I may or may not jump on someone who is not my target before the end of the day.
Do not expect me to have well rounded reasonings.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Of the interactions with others you have had in this thread that I remember, the vast majority are slightly rude to my sense of what is socially acceptable. When I pointed that out, instead of trying to figure out what I was looking at, you dismissed it as "not needing to be liked to play mafia".
Except this is a team game, your rudeness has been pushing people who I assume are your teammates away from the game and you; and between you and the behavior of others, has made this entire bloody thread a massive slog to read through, and contributed to the lack of willingness to engage from apparently most of the players here. I spent the last several IRL days not wanting to call people out on things because I fully expected to get drawn into whatever flaming spat was going down at the time.
Causing players to not want to post or engage means it's easier for mafia to win. Theoretically it should be not only a scum only play, but people in general should be mature enough to not purposefully attempt it in the first place. Instead between this game and one of the previous ones I've played, I've been given the impression that it's a method people will use while town for whatever godforsaken nonsensical reason.
Which means that while I'd be reading you (and others) as scum for your behavior alone right now, I have to keep in mind that you (and others) apparently just play this game to win and will use whatever means to do so, even if it causes them to blackball you from future games they might otherwise participate in due to not wanting to deal with you anymore.
Also it's a goddamn GAME people. I was under the distinct impression that games are supposed to be fun, not cause current events to feel even bloody WORSE just by increasing the amount of stress because people can't be bothered to act any older than 13 maturity wise. When a online forum game where people pretend to be magical terrorists trying to assuage a tyrannical snake faced psychopath is ending up generating actual flame war level arguments, there is something seriously wrong happening.
@Trisscar i understand you feel offended by me, i am indeed not a nice person to play with sometimes and i apologise for this. It's not intentional, it just happens because I am pretty rough in a sense.
You say I am playing to win. This is correct, i try to switch from a idrc who wins playstyle to I want to win playstyle. I didn't find yet the balance of it. This requires a lot of play time to succeed to adjust my english level with my thoughts and properly translate my intentions. In other words, takes time and i am probably at 1/4 of my way to become a better player.
My play is scummy no matter when and how i am playing.
I can't play like in Bangkok game all the time. There i put all my villagery focus to project i am villager because my lynch would be a disaster for town mechanically (it would skip a phase, i forgot which).
If you go and check the Easter eggs game, i had a similar approach like here iirc, as a player who is putting itt any thought he has.
I didn't want to go with this playstyle here but the dimension of this thread stressed me and I couldn't concentrate at being enjoyable, i went on auto pilot and posted a little too raw what passed through my head.
If i am so bad that no one wants to play with me, i can stop playing and let a nicer person take my slot.
Please let me know about this, everyone.
I think my few reads are pretty obvious and so my presence is not really required, i will read the game and only post from now on if someone asks me a question.
I really wish to see you playing the game, Trisscar, I am out for now.
I thought today was the 11th. My b. Still, I prefer not waiting til last ****in minute especially with all the bickering going on that is taking away from the game
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I don't even understand why some people are touchy. I couldn't care less if you call me an ignorant buffoon with the brains of a turnip in the context of a mafia game.
It is *possible* I would gently chide you back.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
@WMU do you know the story of goldilocks and the three bears?
No sir, should I google it?
meh
Basically this girl breaks into a house where a family of bears live
And then shes really picky...
Basically i think your joe read is too specific.
It breaks down to:
>doing more and getting it right would have been towny
Which... yeah sure
>doing less *excuses* getting it wrong
Which. Also sure
But that doesnt make doing some and not getting it right scummy? Joe if hes town isnt perfect. Laziness isnt scummy either.
Idk part of your argument also seems to be his motivation for looking, but i dont think i understand it
Can someone outline the case against Sloth for me? I'm going to go back and read Zionite/Trisscar (which I just realized was missing on my to-do list). I'm not sure about lynching KJ/DB in good faith today since they just replaced in.
A) I pretty much disagreed with everything Zionite said.
B) I loved the effort by Triss catching up, early Day 2, I see SK hunting, but not Mafia hunting though. Then focus shifts to Axel/3P, who then focuses back on Triss
C) Looking at Axel vs. Triss, I can see Axel's case, but it's mostly against Zionite, which I can agree on, but I'm not exactly following/agreeing with Axel's case on Triss, but my point B above seems more relevant to me.
I'm leaning scum on Triss and could get on board with that vote, especially because my gut is saying WMU may just be bad town. I have a hard time imagining scum trying to die on the hill that WMU is sitting on.
I'll finish my other reads and make a decision on which way to go from here.
A) I pretty much disagreed with everything Zionite said.
B) I loved the effort by Triss catching up, early Day 2, I see SK hunting, but not Mafia hunting though. Then focus shifts to Axel/3P, who then focuses back on Triss
C) Looking at Axel vs. Triss, I can see Axel's case, but it's mostly against Zionite, which I can agree on, but I'm not exactly following/agreeing with Axel's case on Triss, but my point B above seems more relevant to me.
I'm leaning scum on Triss and could get on board with that vote, especially because my gut is saying WMU may just be bad town. I have a hard time imagining scum trying to die on the hill that WMU is sitting on.
I'll finish my other reads and make a decision on which way to go from here.
To clarify, I found Triss' level of focus on SK & 3P interesting because that's what scum can do to still seem sincere in their involvement and not just pushing fabricated cases on town or even bussing.
Just read through Tom's, not a fan of the meme stuff, it doesn't seem like he's putting a ton of effort into things, but he seems genuine in his investigations. Pretty par for Tom really. I won't be voting Tom today.
...we already hashed this out. I think you're defense of WMU's antics is off putting. I think you acting like my going after kpaca was weird is off putting. We keep going in circles on this. Its frustrates the hell out of me to keep gong over it and then no one batts an eye.
Same for the points I make about WMU. Some players go "I'm just going to ignore WMU/Ter thing"
Or when I agree with a common sense point of "it doesn't matter if I know I'm right as town I need to convince others" I'm just "pocketing"
Town aint listening to a damn thing I say so I'm not particularly motivated to bother blathering on and on. I'll cast my vote at this point and wait for flips. If this is scummy to y'all then so be it and lynch me but I'm tired of saying "here's my case" and being asked days later like orange and wmu "well what's your case? oh you don't want to do double the work. Pssh scum"
Well if nothing else this frustration is definitely real. Probably should be NAI, but I'm ranking it as slightly town>rand.
I still have no idea why you are doing some things you do.
Let's cut through some of the things here:
I don't see how a lot of what I said about WMU was a hard defense for him specifically. I saw people drawing conclusions that made no sense to draw from what he said, which is suspect to me.
Once the potential language barrier came out, that became even more relevant, not less, imo.
You were not going after kpaca, if that means figuring him out for the game, you were just plain antagonizing him. There's obviously a difference and I don't feel like going over it again.
The reason why I (and I assume others) ignored the WMU/you thing is because you were both going in circles and giving no new information. Even you said that, why would we need t reread the same thing over and over?
fwiw, I don't see how you repeating something someone already said is scummy, depending on the context.
Btw, when someone asks for your case and you've already said it, you could just link them to the post, instead of repeating it.
Ok Trisscar's #2837 and #2838 are a bunch of nonsense with no game-solving or game-relevant interaction in it. In fact, he goes on a long, mildly interesting, but 100% useless talk about ad algorithms and Google???
Uh... ...would scum be brazen enough to do that? Why would town do it though??
#2841 is just HP lore with no attempt to tie back in the game...it ends with a semi-selfconscious statement that he's not really trying to scumhunt (?) and mentions there are two players that he isn't inclined to believe but doesn't name them. He later does when asked about it, but it bugs me: Why wait at ALL? Was he waiting from prompting? Also he didn't give reasons for it.
#2864 seems to indicate that the read on WMU (and Kpaca) is because they're not nice? I'm not trying to be an ass here, I just don't see an alternative interpretation. Why is not-nice a scumtell? I'm definitely an ******** lol.
@Trisscar: Do you have any not-feel based reads that you wanted to press but didn't because of thread environment? Talk about those.
The ignorant buffoon with the brains of a turnip is right. I remember when I could spend hours argueing back and forth with people with arguments that were equally intellectual and the most scathing insults you could tell a human being and as soon as the game was over we'd laugh together and talk about doing an RL meet-up.
Those were the days.
Meh. Trisscar no longer feels natural to me, but I can't pinpoint the root of the change. Perhaps just pressure to contribute more?
I don't necessarily think he's scum, but I could vote there.
Still good with a Bananas vote, he finished his catch up and promised reads, so I'll wait for that. Niceness aside, he doesn't really have a lot of objective towniness going for him and the way he responded to my earlier statement of maybe voting for him is almost like a round-about way to be cheeky.
Really don't want to vote WMU, I think right now I would only do it if it's down to him or me. Joy.
To clarify, I found Triss' level of focus on SK & 3P interesting because that's what scum can do to still seem sincere in their involvement and not just pushing fabricated cases on town or even bussing.
Just read through Tom's, not a fan of the meme stuff, it doesn't seem like he's putting a ton of effort into things, but he seems genuine in his investigations. Pretty par for Tom really. I won't be voting Tom today.
If you're discounting sincerity to read based off of focus on Trisscar, why do you read Tom the opposite way?
How strongly do you feel about dead over WMU, who would be a better self-pres vote?
Asking mainly because I never read Killjoy and need to determine whether to do so or stick with the original plan and read TerRaine first
We're not yet at a time where I think there's no other choice but to self-pres
If I have to, I have to. Otherwise, not sold on WMU.
I like dead as a player, they're friendly and seem invested in the game. Until they provide content though, that means nothing to me. And I've been pointing out KJ as a player that seems off to me since D1. I'm good putting that to the test.
Try KJ first. I'm more interested in him than Ter and there's nowhere near as much. If you have time, do Ter, cause I can always use a sounding board for her. Right now, prob town given her defeatist attitude, but that's as much as I want to give to AtE.
Their laissez-faire attitude towards who they will vote to be yeeted, and their kp roles fits in with what I'd expect of the other Carrow sibling role. I'm not sure on it, I just don't think people should be giving Jack town points for the shot. It makes sense for a 3p killer to make the kill and claim because it gives them an easy excuse if they are tracked to a kill later and is a shot that no one would blame them for.
I actually forgot Tubba was in the middle of a gotcha moment with Rhand.
I don't think I believe Tubba was doing it for reactions. I've mildly liked Rhand but not so much how casually he brushed that aside.
There’s not much more to say. If Tubba is town, he did it for reactions. If he’s mafia, he did it to help destroy my credibility.
I didn’t act, that’s all I know.
To clarify, I found Triss' level of focus on SK & 3P interesting because that's what scum can do to still seem sincere in their involvement and not just pushing fabricated cases on town or even bussing.
Just read through Tom's, not a fan of the meme stuff, it doesn't seem like he's putting a ton of effort into things, but he seems genuine in his investigations. Pretty par for Tom really. I won't be voting Tom today.
If you're discounting sincerity to read based off of focus on Trisscar, why do you read Tom the opposite way?
Seems inconsistent.
Go through Tom's ISO and read it, you'll see the difference. I saw Tom focus on things other than SK and 3P, I mean he has read lists, vote analysis, town cores, etc. You're misunderstanding my point. Looking at SK and 3P is fine, go for it as long as you're looking at scum suspects as well, but when SK and 3P the main focus of your ISO, it seems not-town.
i understand, take your time then.
"Could you give me the names of the 2 you are inclined to never believe? Do you have any thoughts on people alignment though? You mentioned not actively scumhunting, but you should still have some people you find town. My apologies if thats what you meant by Orange and Sloth, but to me that reasoning more seemed to be thinking they are good players, not alignment judging. But I have to agree on you with those two lol, long posts, but actually useful to read and I only was tempted to scroll past a few of sloth's giant post on my read through."
Kpaca and WMU.
I'm expecting this to be a game with at least four-six factions honestly. The sheer amount of fighting gone and going on is either town doing the same stuff I saw in Osie's Sumthing game, or it's a lot of different people trying to play like scum for some reason. I wouldn't be surprised if town is actually outnumbered or near such from the start.
Orange and Sloth are indeed my only two major town leans atm, for previously stated reasons. Their posts are actually helpful, and that's a sight more than usual and therefore actually helpful to town.
I feel like its similar to the Sumting game personally, which is whats making this whole situation hard to read. I'll try not to repeat my game in there lol, whoo that was bad.
Thanks for your thoughts, you helped me get a better read on your slot than I had before.
Will do, hoping to see Amy sometime tomorrow before I post, but I understand they are having computer troubles. Then theres Kpaca, who I might be able to get to interact with me if he comes in and calls this post a use less waste of space, which it pretty much is if it doesn't summon him to interact with me tomorrow.
Whom, from your pov, is trying to play like scum?
I see as convenient and in the thread's flow to say you can never believe me and i want details about this idea tbb
*looks at your response*
*looks at you*
Explain like i am idiot, i don't get what you say here.
What culture did you grow up in, if I may ask, and what general area of your home country?
Heh I’m not calling you an idiot
What I’m saying is that I can see scum reasons for not voting your top suspect but no town reasons.
And I still don’t get it. Why is Konan a better wagon when you have ZDS at the bottom of your list?
Is this relevant for my AI?
I get it's a social game, but while i choose to play almost anon (i knew some people may know me or guess my main) I don't want to give details about me until endgame. I already said, I am francophone, this may explain you that English is not even my second language because my second is French and culturally speaking I am far-off of most of the players who are Americans from what i know.
The chit-chat about myself being boring, i wish from you to engage me game related.
Wait what, no. I'm trying to figure out what kind of culture you came from so I can find a point of divergence of what is socially accepted versus not. Wut.
I am very understanding towards any divergence, you can do nothing wrong.
I get you don't ask me anything because you don't trust me? Is your mind set 100%? If yes, please explain.
Except this is a team game, your rudeness has been pushing people who I assume are your teammates away from the game and you; and between you and the behavior of others, has made this entire bloody thread a massive slog to read through, and contributed to the lack of willingness to engage from apparently most of the players here. I spent the last several IRL days not wanting to call people out on things because I fully expected to get drawn into whatever flaming spat was going down at the time.
Causing players to not want to post or engage means it's easier for mafia to win. Theoretically it should be not only a scum only play, but people in general should be mature enough to not purposefully attempt it in the first place. Instead between this game and one of the previous ones I've played, I've been given the impression that it's a method people will use while town for whatever godforsaken nonsensical reason.
Which means that while I'd be reading you (and others) as scum for your behavior alone right now, I have to keep in mind that you (and others) apparently just play this game to win and will use whatever means to do so, even if it causes them to blackball you from future games they might otherwise participate in due to not wanting to deal with you anymore.
Also it's a goddamn GAME people. I was under the distinct impression that games are supposed to be fun, not cause current events to feel even bloody WORSE just by increasing the amount of stress because people can't be bothered to act any older than 13 maturity wise. When a online forum game where people pretend to be magical terrorists trying to assuage a tyrannical snake faced psychopath is ending up generating actual flame war level arguments, there is something seriously wrong happening.
I think I am gonna avoid the WMU wagon and stay on sloth.
@Lagoon when you come back, please give me your thoughts.
Do not expect me to have well rounded reasonings.
But I also wouldn't expect vigs to ignore you
when exactly is EoD?
wtf rod
@Trisscar i understand you feel offended by me, i am indeed not a nice person to play with sometimes and i apologise for this. It's not intentional, it just happens because I am pretty rough in a sense.
You say I am playing to win. This is correct, i try to switch from a idrc who wins playstyle to I want to win playstyle. I didn't find yet the balance of it. This requires a lot of play time to succeed to adjust my english level with my thoughts and properly translate my intentions. In other words, takes time and i am probably at 1/4 of my way to become a better player.
My play is scummy no matter when and how i am playing.
I can't play like in Bangkok game all the time. There i put all my villagery focus to project i am villager because my lynch would be a disaster for town mechanically (it would skip a phase, i forgot which).
If you go and check the Easter eggs game, i had a similar approach like here iirc, as a player who is putting itt any thought he has.
I didn't want to go with this playstyle here but the dimension of this thread stressed me and I couldn't concentrate at being enjoyable, i went on auto pilot and posted a little too raw what passed through my head.
If i am so bad that no one wants to play with me, i can stop playing and let a nicer person take my slot.
Please let me know about this, everyone.
I think my few reads are pretty obvious and so my presence is not really required, i will read the game and only post from now on if someone asks me a question.
I really wish to see you playing the game, Trisscar, I am out for now.
It is *possible* I would gently chide you back.
Slothful (3) - TerRaine, Rhand, Rodemy
xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx (2) - TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, kpaca
deadbananas (1) - tomsloger
TerRaine (1) - orangeandblack5
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry (1) - xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx
Trisscar (1) - Axelrod
Not voting: Ampharos, deadbananas, gooLagoon, Jackrito, Slothful, Trisscar
Vote History:
Slothful - Tubba Fett > (Unvote)
tomsloger - Slothful > deadbananas
TerRaine - Tubba Fett > xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx
xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx - TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
Rodemy - xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx > Axelrod > deadbananas > Slothful > deadbananas > xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx > Slothful
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry - xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx
Rhand - Slothful > deadbananas > Slothful
Jackrito - orangeandblack5 > Unvote > Slothful > Unvote
gooLagoon - Slothful > TheRealStinkyJoeTerry > Slothful > Unvote
Axelrod - Trisscar
kpaca - xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx
orangeandblack5 - kpaca > TerRaine
It takes 8 to elim, and Day 2 Deadline is July 11th, 2020 at 1715 PST. (Roughly 31.5 hours from now) There will likely be a twilight phase.
Ampharos is V/LA.
Rhand is V/LA.
Slothful is V/LA.
Basically this girl breaks into a house where a family of bears live
And then shes really picky...
Basically i think your joe read is too specific.
It breaks down to:
>doing more and getting it right would have been towny
Which... yeah sure
>doing less *excuses* getting it wrong
Which. Also sure
But that doesnt make doing some and not getting it right scummy? Joe if hes town isnt perfect. Laziness isnt scummy either.
Idk part of your argument also seems to be his motivation for looking, but i dont think i understand it
Did this spawn from Little Red Riding Kajot
This is wine, but as scum I'm not as free-flowing with my vote.
I don't think I believe Tubba was doing it for reactions. I've mildly liked Rhand but not so much how casually he brushed that aside.
If Tubba flips Tracker/Watcher we ensure Rhand is lynched if not vigged
If Tubba flips scum we can probably clear Rhand for free
Moving either way on Rhand before Tubba's flip is just dumb
A) I pretty much disagreed with everything Zionite said.
B) I loved the effort by Triss catching up, early Day 2, I see SK hunting, but not Mafia hunting though. Then focus shifts to Axel/3P, who then focuses back on Triss
C) Looking at Axel vs. Triss, I can see Axel's case, but it's mostly against Zionite, which I can agree on, but I'm not exactly following/agreeing with Axel's case on Triss, but my point B above seems more relevant to me.
I'm leaning scum on Triss and could get on board with that vote, especially because my gut is saying WMU may just be bad town. I have a hard time imagining scum trying to die on the hill that WMU is sitting on.
I'll finish my other reads and make a decision on which way to go from here.
I still have no idea why you are doing some things you do.
Let's cut through some of the things here:
I don't see how a lot of what I said about WMU was a hard defense for him specifically. I saw people drawing conclusions that made no sense to draw from what he said, which is suspect to me.
Once the potential language barrier came out, that became even more relevant, not less, imo.
You were not going after kpaca, if that means figuring him out for the game, you were just plain antagonizing him. There's obviously a difference and I don't feel like going over it again.
The reason why I (and I assume others) ignored the WMU/you thing is because you were both going in circles and giving no new information. Even you said that, why would we need t reread the same thing over and over?
fwiw, I don't see how you repeating something someone already said is scummy, depending on the context.
Btw, when someone asks for your case and you've already said it, you could just link them to the post, instead of repeating it.
@Ter: Why are you voting me and not WMU again?
Ok Trisscar's #2837 and #2838 are a bunch of nonsense with no game-solving or game-relevant interaction in it. In fact, he goes on a long, mildly interesting, but 100% useless talk about ad algorithms and Google???
Uh... ...would scum be brazen enough to do that? Why would town do it though??
#2841 is just HP lore with no attempt to tie back in the game...it ends with a semi-selfconscious statement that he's not really trying to scumhunt (?) and mentions there are two players that he isn't inclined to believe but doesn't name them. He later does when asked about it, but it bugs me: Why wait at ALL? Was he waiting from prompting? Also he didn't give reasons for it.
#2864 seems to indicate that the read on WMU (and Kpaca) is because they're not nice? I'm not trying to be an ass here, I just don't see an alternative interpretation. Why is not-nice a scumtell? I'm definitely an ******** lol.
@Trisscar: Do you have any not-feel based reads that you wanted to press but didn't because of thread environment? Talk about those.
The ignorant buffoon with the brains of a turnip is right. I remember when I could spend hours argueing back and forth with people with arguments that were equally intellectual and the most scathing insults you could tell a human being and as soon as the game was over we'd laugh together and talk about doing an RL meet-up.
Those were the days.
I don't necessarily think he's scum, but I could vote there.
Still good with a Bananas vote, he finished his catch up and promised reads, so I'll wait for that. Niceness aside, he doesn't really have a lot of objective towniness going for him and the way he responded to my earlier statement of maybe voting for him is almost like a round-about way to be cheeky.
Really don't want to vote WMU, I think right now I would only do it if it's down to him or me. Joy.
@Rhand: I thought I told you to unvote me?
Why is Triss scummy for it while Tom isn't when you specifically said both:
and
If you're discounting sincerity to read based off of focus on Trisscar, why do you read Tom the opposite way?
Seems inconsistent.
Hm.
VOTE deadbananas
(btw, Osie, I'm no longer V/LA lol)
Asking mainly because I never read Killjoy and need to determine whether to do so or stick with the original plan and read TerRaine first
If I have to, I have to. Otherwise, not sold on WMU.
I like dead as a player, they're friendly and seem invested in the game. Until they provide content though, that means nothing to me. And I've been pointing out KJ as a player that seems off to me since D1. I'm good putting that to the test.
Try KJ first. I'm more interested in him than Ter and there's nowhere near as much. If you have time, do Ter, cause I can always use a sounding board for her. Right now, prob town given her defeatist attitude, but that's as much as I want to give to AtE.
Their laissez-faire attitude towards who they will vote to be yeeted, and their kp roles fits in with what I'd expect of the other Carrow sibling role. I'm not sure on it, I just don't think people should be giving Jack town points for the shot. It makes sense for a 3p killer to make the kill and claim because it gives them an easy excuse if they are tracked to a kill later and is a shot that no one would blame them for.
There’s not much more to say. If Tubba is town, he did it for reactions. If he’s mafia, he did it to help destroy my credibility.
I didn’t act, that’s all I know.