I hate to do this but something's happened in my life and... i don't quite know how to handle it.
But I won't be able to give this game any real attention as a result.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I hate to do this but something's happened in my life and... i don't quite know how to handle it.
But I won't be able to give this game any real attention as a result.
I need to replace out.
Osie I'm sorry. But I just... can't.
Luck on whatever happened and happens next mate, be safe.
Doesn't change the fact that your approach to meta reading is wrong. It is 100% possible to read someone's town and scum meta and still be wrong and town. Your "there's no way" makes it sounds like this is an exact science and it is not.
Amy: Tonre, content. Solid scum hunting questions
Tom: I may not agree with some of his reads but I do follow his logic
Rod: This has been covered ad nauseam
WMU: This has been covered ad nauseam
[Redacted]: I find their hunting to be surface level and disingenuous. D1 interactions with [redacted] still bother me specially since they [redacted] read [redacted]
Doesn't matter what I think of the case I made against you. A case is good if it convinces others.
No, a case is good if is correct and goes to a wolf elimination, not to a new mislynch. And your idea about meta is the right one because ........? You may fill the blanc.
You have a tendency to consider your opinion is the best and you are never wrong?
And what exactly is this redacted thingy who just avoids the answer?
You could only explain about Amy and Tom? You made such a big post to say only 2 useful sentences?
There is no way he read those games through to see ZDS's meta and come with a wrong read, you are not realistic.
Lol.
About the bolded: What are you saying here, exactly? It sounds like you think that he couldn’t have possibly been wrong on his read of Dork if he read the games in detail?
Is that correct?
I think a read of those games Isos with attention to details and ZDS's mindset would show Terry he is wrong, yes. Not to mention an Iso for an unknown player is just informative, not a proof for a scum read, and I can only say i have meta for players I played more than 10 games with to pull out a meta read solid enough to mention it and backing up a vote with it.
I mean, isn't that meta read like he knew ZDS will flip villager? and he said he read those games just to show how involved he is in making a read and how not guilty of the misread is he? Please correct me if i am wrong.
On the other hand, where is his meta read for me then, if he is into meta reading the players he is voting? Wisp linked a game, i could link 2 more. Just town games, but it's a start to check the way i am playing usually. He didn't even bother to ask about them.
Hm. Hablas español?
I want to make sure I'm following here.
If I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying:
That Joe's meta read of ZDS indicates Joe knew ZDS would flip villager. You are asking if we disagree. Link me to the specific post you are referring to here and I'll answer you.
That Joe's meta read should have proved him he was wrong (i.e. ZDS is town)? This seems like a contradiction, so I'm wondering if I'm understanding it. I don't think Terry thinking ZDS is scum based off of the meta of two games here is necessarily bad: I was in those two games and I was leaning towards ZDS being scum. Getting the read wrong is not immediately scummy.
I do get your point about informative read, rather than decisive one with a vote, but people play differently. I'm keeping this in mind though.
He didn't meta read you. I mean...you didn't offer the games either. Have you considered linking them to him and showing examples of your town game matching this?
Honestly, I barely rely on meta from reading other games myself. Too lazy.
Still - do you happen to be Kliff from MU? Apologies if not.
Sloth: Rhand is of the opinion that my "using the setup" at all (speculating about it, thinking about it) is scummy for me. He says this because I've said similar things in past games. I say similar because what I actually avoid doing is speculating about setup balance. "There's too many protectives claimed, they can't all be town". These are very different. I explained this to Rhand and he still seems to think it's scummy. Which is why I'm suspicious of him: he's not reevaluating. He's pushing what I view as a false narrative. He knows why his reason is too vague but he's saying it's scummy anyway.
...This sounds a lot like Tom in Prison with you - you didn't scumread tom then, any particular reason Rhand's different?
Tom was pushing a "false narrative" there too, but while vague, he clearly believed it as he was town.
I hate to do this but something's happened in my life and... i don't quite know how to handle it.
But I won't be able to give this game any real attention as a result.
I need to replace out.
Osie I'm sorry. But I just... can't.
...damn my post was poorly timed.
Sorry, man, hope everything's okay.
I hate to do this but something's happened in my life and... i don't quite know how to handle it.
But I won't be able to give this game any real attention as a result.
No, a case is good if is correct and goes to a wolf elimination, not to a new mislynch. And your idea about meta is the right one because ........? You may fill the blanc.
You have a tendency to consider your opinion is the best and you are never wrong?
And what exactly is this redacted thingy who just avoids the answer?
You could only explain about Amy and Tom? You made such a big post to say only 2 useful sentences?
Ease up. Just a tad.
Let's try this: "A meta case that turns out to be wrong is scummy" Yes, or no?
If yes, why?
If no, then why are you sticking to that idea re: Joe and, to a lesser degree, Ter?
I'm fine with KJ or WMU though if needed I have no real strong town read on either.
can you expand this post please?
what do you need expanded I have no strong town read on either of you so have no issues joining those wagons if needed. They is nothing more to it.
No strong town read implies a town read, even if slight, and so i wish to understand why don't you go for a scum read/slight scum read/null read instead.
No, a case is good if is correct and goes to a wolf elimination, not to a new mislynch. And your idea about meta is the right one because ........? You may fill the blanc.
You have a tendency to consider your opinion is the best and you are never wrong?
And what exactly is this redacted thingy who just avoids the answer?
You could only explain about Amy and Tom? You made such a big post to say only 2 useful sentences?
Ease up. Just a tad.
Let's try this: "A meta case that turns out to be wrong is scummy" Yes, or no?
If yes, why?
If no, then why are you sticking to that idea re: Joe and, to a lesser degree, Ter?
Not always, but in this particular case it looks like a fabricated reason to keep pushing a townie.
I am sticking with a scum read I have on Terry and i see the questions Terraine is asking me as unhelpful for town and just as a defence for Terry whom i consider scum.
I start to think that no matter Terry's AI, Terraine is independently scummy.
If Terry is town, Terraine knows it and is pushing me because i am wrong and this will be evident after Terry will flip, and if Terry is scum with Terraine, the explanation for the defence on Terry and push on me is unneeded.
There is no way he read those games through to see ZDS's meta and come with a wrong read, you are not realistic.
Lol.
About the bolded: What are you saying here, exactly? It sounds like you think that he couldn’t have possibly been wrong on his read of Dork if he read the games in detail?
Is that correct?
I think a read of those games Isos with attention to details and ZDS's mindset would show Terry he is wrong, yes. Not to mention an Iso for an unknown player is just informative, not a proof for a scum read, and I can only say i have meta for players I played more than 10 games with to pull out a meta read solid enough to mention it and backing up a vote with it.
I mean, isn't that meta read like he knew ZDS will flip villager? and he said he read those games just to show how involved he is in making a read and how not guilty of the misread is he? Please correct me if i am wrong.
On the other hand, where is his meta read for me then, if he is into meta reading the players he is voting? Wisp linked a game, i could link 2 more. Just town games, but it's a start to check the way i am playing usually. He didn't even bother to ask about them.
Hm. Hablas español?
I want to make sure I'm following here.
If I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying:
That Joe's meta read of ZDS indicates Joe knew ZDS would flip villager. You are asking if we disagree. Link me to the specific post you are referring to here and I'll answer you.
That Joe's meta read should have proved him he was wrong (i.e. ZDS is town)? This seems like a contradiction, so I'm wondering if I'm understanding it. I don't think Terry thinking ZDS is scum based off of the meta of two games here is necessarily bad: I was in those two games and I was leaning towards ZDS being scum. Getting the read wrong is not immediately scummy.
I do get your point about informative read, rather than decisive one with a vote, but people play differently. I'm keeping this in mind though.
He didn't meta read you. I mean...you didn't offer the games either. Have you considered linking them to him and showing examples of your town game matching this?
Honestly, I barely rely on meta from reading other games myself. Too lazy.
Still - do you happen to be Kliff from MU? Apologies if not.
Sloth: Rhand is of the opinion that my "using the setup" at all (speculating about it, thinking about it) is scummy for me. He says this because I've said similar things in past games. I say similar because what I actually avoid doing is speculating about setup balance. "There's too many protectives claimed, they can't all be town". These are very different. I explained this to Rhand and he still seems to think it's scummy. Which is why I'm suspicious of him: he's not reevaluating. He's pushing what I view as a false narrative. He knows why his reason is too vague but he's saying it's scummy anyway.
...This sounds a lot like Tom in Prison with you - you didn't scumread tom then, any particular reason Rhand's different?
Tom was pushing a "false narrative" there too, but while vague, he clearly believed it as he was town.
I am not spanish, but latin languages are my speciality.
I am not Kliff.
Your questions about the meta thing makes me think i didn't explain well, sorry about that.
Side note, I didn't read and i will not read those games, any ZDS old Iso and stuff. So anything related to that Iso is just my general opinion on how scum!Terry would handle a meta to fit it in his narrative, i saw meta used so many times in wrong way by scum.
If at contrary I am wrong and this is town!Terry, i am sorry to notice he indeed skimmed the Iso and was aatisfied with his scum read.
Yes, he could be a wrong townie by the interpretation of that meta in a vacuum, but why would a townie react so savage but not decisive at my idea to check the ones who pushed ZDS?
I don't know if this answers at your questions, is pretty hard to answer at a big wall on phone.
Ok so who brought up tom riddle again?
Rodemy, about Axel. Trisscar jumped on it. Hrm.
Rod, let's say you're right - is there a particular benefit to going down this train of thought now? Do you Axel should go?
I forget do you think secondary alignment is town or scum?
@Rhand, ffs, why did you say Riddle's a vanillaizer?
Also love you, dude.
Love you too. For your body.
Why would I not say that?
made it to page 10! Wew! I only got a mild headache, mainly from when a post would be huge, but it was jusy quotes and then like a sentence of commentary on one post in that quote chain lol. We will triumph together replacement crew.
made it to page 10! Wew! I only got a mild headache, mainly from when a post would be huge, but it was jusy quotes and then like a sentence of commentary on one post in that quote chain lol. We will triumph together replacement crew.
10 pages in an hour? How thoroughly are you reading?
I've got myself a little notebook that I've been writing notes down in. Which has been helping me a lot with thoroughness. I will confess I may have very lightly skimmed the first page, RVS and all that. I also skim all the quote chains to the bottom and try to deduce what they were actually responding to lol. I'm definitely starting to slow my pace though, only got through half of 10 rn, gonna get to 11 then call it a night.
I'm not really asking what you think of him. More like, what do you think of the reads already presented about him.
Though I might have misremembered now, since I thought you already have thoughts on him before. Probably someone else.
Yeah, it was probably someone else.
I think he went from town to scum fairly quickly. Given recent developments, I'm not against it.
I think I have only one question for you before the ZDS question..... I doubt that's indicative of me scumreading you?
By "already questioning me" I meant that you were making statements that showed that you were unsure on my alignment, not that you were literally asking me questions.
I...guess I can see how you got those confused.
Has your read on Last evolved since this post? In what way?
I like this post. The only argument against it I could make is that lynching softed weak/anti-town is better than mislynching. Is there anymore you’re willing to give Axle? I don’t want the whole enchilada but a little more?
@All
I know it’s cute, hell, I like it more than anyone, but what if Tom is scum using the gifs to avoid putting anything concrete in the thread? It’s a pretty easy copout to just say he was misinterpreted? Especially since it looks like it’s definitely not a posting restriction?
Also, my internet access is going to be spotty at best for the next 4-5 days. I SHOULD be able to meet posting requirements, and I’ll try and keep up with the times but just wanted to put it out there. If it’s too much I will go full V/LA.
Hi, I hate this!
Paragraph 1: "I'm going to subtly propose that we should still lynch Axel rather than actively scumhunt just in case we get it wrong, by stepping on the anti-town button. Also, going to fish for more info on the role."
Tubba, this paragraph is also worded in a way that makes me think you somehow missed the Angel claim? ("lynching softedweak/anti-town") Which is a pretty big miss if so.
Paragraph 2: worded as if hesitantly brought up, as a sort of "dun dun dun" moment - but I don't think any players hadn't already considered this, it's part of why we're saying it won't go on forever. It's...sleazy.
So you're uninterested in helping solve the game in anyway cause one person in 19 is annoying you? You've expressed your annoyance. No one is biting at the moment. How is digging in your heels helping town?
Voting for Tom as policy is about the most helping the town thing possible right now.
I feel like you took that "fixation on tom = town" bit and really ran with it, Jesus.
And before someone claims I’m making this a distraction. No. I’m not. Tom is making this a distraction. The onus is on Tom. I’ve played mafia with Tom before, he is perfectly capable of participating like everyone else, and should be held to that same standard.
You're making this a distraction.
I disagree that tom is but sure, it can be said that he is, that doesn't mean you aren't. You're forcing all the focus on this game on this pointless self-resolving crusade and not actually working to find other scum that definitely exist regardless of tom's alignment.
Your vote's on tom, the wagon got going, your point's been made. Now stop being lazy and hunt for scum. You haven't made a single press since you got on this bs.
#255
In regards to this post, I’d probably say the same thing I said in regards to Terry. I’d expect town!Sloth to stand his ground on his own opinion, rather than back off because others think its something that Terry could do as town
Page 1 of his iso is combinations of playfulness, and poking at Terry, also he votes Jack because ???
Calls out Rodemy as being possible scum? But he hasn’t said anything really about Jack, so IDK why his vote ended up there?
So Sloth can be a wolf I guess? His content on a macro level isn’t townie enough to volume clear him yet thats for sure
Sloth re-evaluating is probably something I like, but it still bothers me on a fundamental level, cause this isnt how I expect town!Sloth to treat his reads
So what happened between these two spoiled posts above to result in these two statements for the game?
I am assuming I am answering ur first question here, maybe fulcrum as well? and Axel? but he is 3p
I can't really say what exactly made me bring it up then
Noted.
I was more interested in the bolded and spoiled section above.
because my brain says there is no reason why you should think my claim is wolfy? hence it looks good regardless of my alignment in my opinion
Who was I even talking about? and even if they arent correctly reading the game-state, it doesnt make them a wolf?
Axel, do you know your protegee's rolename? Or do you have any other information about them that would let them and only them (and I guess their scumbuddies if that applies) know you are flapping your wings above their heads?
Is this leading to you asking him to claim? 'Cause what does Town game from this information?
What happens aside from the role accidentally giving something away for who they are resulting in their kill/Axel's loss?
Why is it that Sloth posted a billion times in a row on page 18, yet I have no idea where he stands on any of the players he made his posts about?
Because it's deliberate
...is the first half of that answer.
The other half is that at least some of my thoughts and leanings have been made clear (if not nearly as many as usual), so if you think there's nothing in the way of opinions in what I've written so far, well that's you also being deliberate about turning a blind eye to them.
I remember Zionite being ***** on in Prison Block for complaining about a general lack of content without adding any content himself. Not really what he's doing here.
I'm sorry about your stomach, Joe. You should rest under the shade. Well actually there's no shade, it's just me feeling around, slowly building up reads. Maybe you'll get a massage instead.
I only looked up votes.
I wouldn't qualify voting tom for other reasons than to pressure him out of memeing "pushing easy targets".
I'mma ignore the obvious question on how you expecting him to give a detailed breakdown of his case on you via gifs isn't the same thing as voting him for memeing.
Instead, I'll ask why you didn't look at reasons for voting for your vote analysis post.
Hot take:
Tubba hasn't been pushed because his entrance wasn't garbage this game
why do you care that no one has pushed a wagon on someone yet? Are you going to attempt to? Or are you just fishing for someone else to wagon a townie?
Someone's skimming the game instead of reading it in full again
You're antagonizing him. Why?
Sorry for this huge quote, parsing quotes on my ipad is insanity :/
What I want to point out is the interaction with tubba here. He accuses him of wanting to lynch 3p (which is fine), but hands him the counter-argument he needs in the same breath.
This is never town talking. Either he wants to help his buddy get out of a situation by being the first to talk about it and handing him a way out, or it’s scum knowing they’re falsely accusing town.
vote Sloth
I’m pretty much sold and don’t like voting someone that just replaced in.
First of all, I'll let you figure out which of the following mindsets is mine. Bonus points for giving your reasons, it will make future analysis easier in case I get run up anyway ( ).
a) I play Mafia to chill and have fun after (and sometimes before) work, and I am unwilling to invest a great amount of time and effort into the game. Meanwhile, between time zone differences and the high number of highly prolific posters (and the high number of players, period), I typically end up having to catch up through several pages each day, which I do by skimming because [see previous sentence]. As a result, and since I also don't have any inside knowledge to help me, my observations and reads are shallow and superficial. I'm not complaining, mind you — I'm the one refusing to play at a more than casual level, for the sake of having fun. I expect things will get better as the game goes.
b) I know exactly what I'm doing, and me going for (arguably) easy targets and making surface-level analyses is all part of some nefarious plan to manipulate the town. In fact even this very wagon is part of this plan, mwahaha!
Do not like this. Silly to think its one or the other.
Ter throwing shade at ZDS while ZDS is at five votes.
Terraine isn’t voting at this point.
Seems to me like she is looking to set herself up to hop on that wagon.
Heh this is just wrong.
She puts ZDS, who she never voted, on the bottom of the readslist and then has no qualms whatsoever to jump on the konan train while it’s taking off in a hurry.
Looks like pure opportunism to me.
Aaaand I’m caught up to where I replaced in.
Still have to read some of the more recent content though, but here’s where I’m at right now:
Killjoy (Deadbananas): not town - KJ was far enough from his normal meta for me to believe he’s not town.
tomsloger: lean town - Gave up the gimmick when the distraction became too big. Didn’t make a wallpost when he did give it up but just continued the game, which is a good look,
Rodemy: town. Has been softing all game.
Axelrod: probably what he claimed. Frustration with the role seems real.
Fuwa orangeandblack5: pretty much null, slight scumlean from Fuwa’s posts. Reading orange’s posts is on my todo, only skimmed them so far.
kpaca: town. Old meta read, but I think I know how he plays.
Jackrito: town. Mafia wouldn’t have claimed the ZDS shot.
Slothful: mafia
TerRaine: mafia
gooLagoon: lean town. Still gutread.
Ampharos: town or 3p.
xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx: null. Need to read the more recent stuff.
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry: town. Mafia!Terry is kore careful in his wording. Old meta though.
Zionite Trisscar: slight mafia lean, but Zionite is easily misread as mafia. Will need to see more from Trisscar.
Doesn't change the fact that your approach to meta reading is wrong. It is 100% possible to read someone's town and scum meta and still be wrong and town. Your "there's no way" makes it sounds like this is an exact science and it is not.
Amy: Tonre, content. Solid scum hunting questions
Tom: I may not agree with some of his reads but I do follow his logic
Rod: This has been covered ad nauseam
WMU: This has been covered ad nauseam
[Redacted]: I find their hunting to be surface level and disingenuous. D1 interactions with [redacted] still bother me specially since they [redacted] read [redacted]
Doesn't matter what I think of the case I made against you. A case is good if it convinces others.
No, a case is good if is correct and goes to a wolf elimination, not to a new mislynch. And your idea about meta is the right one because ........? You may fill the blanc.
You have a tendency to consider your opinion is the best and you are never wrong?
And what exactly is this redacted thingy who just avoids the answer?
You could only explain about Amy and Tom? You made such a big post to say only 2 useful sentences?
....I didn't think I need to outline the obvious part of it being not a mislynch but...sure. If you needed that spelled out. My point is it doesn't matter if I am 100% correct. If I do not convince others to vote their as well it does not matter.
The reason I'm right about meta is sheer common sense. You're treating it an exact science. Player A reads Players Bs past scum game. Players A reads Player B's past Town game. They now know their meta completely and if they say wrong they must be scum.
That's not how human's work.
Nah I'm wrong a lot. My opinions sometimes suck. I recognize that doesn't mean I'm wrong that it's a bad idea to deal in absolutes.
I made a post to point out I'm not going to spoon feed you things I've already answered especially to someone so gosh darn pleasant. If you want them go read the game.
Eh what can I say Rhand? Konan looked like the better vote at the time and I figured I'd move onto ZDS in D2. You call it setting ZDS up I call it pushing an additional scumspect.
.....The irony of my plan given my N1 actions but it is what it is. C'est La Vie.
Doesn't change the fact that your approach to meta reading is wrong. It is 100% possible to read someone's town and scum meta and still be wrong and town. Your "there's no way" makes it sounds like this is an exact science and it is not.
Amy: Tonre, content. Solid scum hunting questions
Tom: I may not agree with some of his reads but I do follow his logic
Rod: This has been covered ad nauseam
WMU: This has been covered ad nauseam
[Redacted]: I find their hunting to be surface level and disingenuous. D1 interactions with [redacted] still bother me specially since they [redacted] read [redacted]
Doesn't matter what I think of the case I made against you. A case is good if it convinces others.
No, a case is good if is correct and goes to a wolf elimination, not to a new mislynch. And your idea about meta is the right one because ........? You may fill the blanc.
You have a tendency to consider your opinion is the best and you are never wrong?
And what exactly is this redacted thingy who just avoids the answer?
You could only explain about Amy and Tom? You made such a big post to say only 2 useful sentences?
....I didn't think I need to outline the obvious part of it being not a mislynch but...sure. If you needed that spelled out. My point is it doesn't matter if I am 100% correct. If I do not convince others to vote their as well it does not matter.
The reason I'm right about meta is sheer common sense. You're treating it an exact science. Player A reads Players Bs past scum game. Players A reads Player B's past Town game. They now know their meta completely and if they say wrong they must be scum.
That's not how human's work.
Nah I'm wrong a lot. My opinions sometimes suck. I recognize that doesn't mean I'm wrong that it's a bad idea to deal in absolutes.
I made a post to point out I'm not going to spoon feed you things I've already answered especially to someone so gosh darn pleasant. If you want them go read the game.
The bolded - you are 100% wrong. It does matter?
This meta talk became already too fluffy. I think i said my oppinion few times. You seem to agree that using meta to accuse someone is a towny thing to do and i can only shrug at this.
Noted your refusal to express your reads at request. That means you forgot them?
Oh and ter is my probably scum but I need more time. Again, flips needed.
Ugh. You guys bickering too much is making this hard to actually find scum. Let’s stick to facts please?
WMU’s vote on terry was bad. Excuses for it are not consistent with mindset.
sloth has posted nothing really solid imo.
goo could be fulcrums partner due to their chummy interactions D1.
umm what else.
terry: if wmu flips scum, I wanna see that interaction between the two again. Maybe scum scum? Good play if so.
But voting terry for those half ass reasons could be an attempt to bus And get towncred but it backfired. I’d like to see WMU’s flip so bad.
In this very moment i really wish your last sentence to come true but before of this i wish you can tell me who is mafia for you in the world where i am villager.
Because this is the world i am living it.
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I will be absent around 20 hours from now on. RL calls me :zzz:
Aaaand I’m caught up to where I replaced in.
Still have to read some of the more recent content though, but here’s where I’m at right now:
Killjoy (Deadbananas): not town - KJ was far enough from his normal meta for me to believe he’s not town.
tomsloger: lean town - Gave up the gimmick when the distraction became too big. Didn’t make a wallpost when he did give it up but just continued the game, which is a good look,
Rodemy: town. Has been softing all game.
Axelrod: probably what he claimed. Frustration with the role seems real.
Fuwa orangeandblack5: pretty much null, slight scumlean from Fuwa’s posts. Reading orange’s posts is on my todo, only skimmed them so far.
kpaca: town. Old meta read, but I think I know how he plays.
Jackrito: town. Mafia wouldn’t have claimed the ZDS shot.
Slothful: mafia
TerRaine: mafia
gooLagoon: lean town. Still gutread.
Ampharos: town or 3p.
xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx: null. Need to read the more recent stuff.
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry: town. Mafia!Terry is kore careful in his wording. Old meta though.
Zionite Trisscar: slight mafia lean, but Zionite is easily misread as mafia. Will need to see more from Trisscar.
So you think all the TeRaine vs. Sloth stuff is WvW?
Doesn't change the fact that your approach to meta reading is wrong. It is 100% possible to read someone's town and scum meta and still be wrong and town. Your "there's no way" makes it sounds like this is an exact science and it is not.
Amy: Tonre, content. Solid scum hunting questions
Tom: I may not agree with some of his reads but I do follow his logic
Rod: This has been covered ad nauseam
WMU: This has been covered ad nauseam
[Redacted]: I find their hunting to be surface level and disingenuous. D1 interactions with [redacted] still bother me specially since they [redacted] read [redacted]
Doesn't matter what I think of the case I made against you. A case is good if it convinces others.
No, a case is good if is correct and goes to a wolf elimination, not to a new mislynch. And your idea about meta is the right one because ........? You may fill the blanc.
You have a tendency to consider your opinion is the best and you are never wrong?
And what exactly is this redacted thingy who just avoids the answer?
You could only explain about Amy and Tom? You made such a big post to say only 2 useful sentences?
....I didn't think I need to outline the obvious part of it being not a mislynch but...sure. If you needed that spelled out. My point is it doesn't matter if I am 100% correct. If I do not convince others to vote their as well it does not matter.
The reason I'm right about meta is sheer common sense. You're treating it an exact science. Player A reads Players Bs past scum game. Players A reads Player B's past Town game. They now know their meta completely and if they say wrong they must be scum.
That's not how human's work.
Nah I'm wrong a lot. My opinions sometimes suck. I recognize that doesn't mean I'm wrong that it's a bad idea to deal in absolutes.
I made a post to point out I'm not going to spoon feed you things I've already answered especially to someone so gosh darn pleasant. If you want them go read the game.
The bolded - you are 100% wrong. It does matter?
This meta talk became already too fluffy. I think i said my oppinion few times. You seem to agree that using meta to accuse someone is a towny thing to do and i can only shrug at this.
Noted your refusal to express your reads at request. That means you forgot them?
No, a case is good if is correct and goes to a wolf elimination, not to a new mislynch. And your idea about meta is the right one because ........? You may fill the blanc.
You have a tendency to consider your opinion is the best and you are never wrong?
And what exactly is this redacted thingy who just avoids the answer?
You could only explain about Amy and Tom? You made such a big post to say only 2 useful sentences?
Ease up. Just a tad.
Let's try this: "A meta case that turns out to be wrong is scummy" Yes, or no?
If yes, why?
If no, then why are you sticking to that idea re: Joe and, to a lesser degree, Ter?
Not always, but in this particular case it looks like a fabricated reason to keep pushing a townie.
I am sticking with a scum read I have on Terry and i see the questions Terraine is asking me as unhelpful for town and just as a defence for Terry whom i consider scum.
I start to think that no matter Terry's AI, Terraine is independently scummy.
If Terry is town, Terraine knows it and is pushing me because i am wrong and this will be evident after Terry will flip, and if Terry is scum with Terraine, the explanation for the defence on Terry and push on me is unneeded.
this is more or less the question i was trying to ask you about terraines intentions btw
Aaaand I’m caught up to where I replaced in.
Still have to read some of the more recent content though, but here’s where I’m at right now:
Killjoy (Deadbananas): not town - KJ was far enough from his normal meta for me to believe he’s not town.
tomsloger: lean town - Gave up the gimmick when the distraction became too big. Didn’t make a wallpost when he did give it up but just continued the game, which is a good look,
Rodemy: town. Has been softing all game.
Axelrod: probably what he claimed. Frustration with the role seems real.
Fuwa orangeandblack5: pretty much null, slight scumlean from Fuwa’s posts. Reading orange’s posts is on my todo, only skimmed them so far.
kpaca: town. Old meta read, but I think I know how he plays.
Jackrito: town. Mafia wouldn’t have claimed the ZDS shot.
Slothful: mafia
TerRaine: mafia
gooLagoon: lean town. Still gutread.
Ampharos: town or 3p.
xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx: null. Need to read the more recent stuff.
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry: town. Mafia!Terry is kore careful in his wording. Old meta though.
Zionite Trisscar: slight mafia lean, but Zionite is easily misread as mafia. Will need to see more from Trisscar.
So you think all the TeRaine vs. Sloth stuff is WvW?
It might well be yes. I’ll have to look back at the course of events, but I’m pretty sure they’ve been called w/w before they stopped townreading each other. In which case distancing makes total sense.
Aaaand I’m caught up to where I replaced in.
Still have to read some of the more recent content though, but here’s where I’m at right now:
Killjoy (Deadbananas): not town - KJ was far enough from his normal meta for me to believe he’s not town.
tomsloger: lean town - Gave up the gimmick when the distraction became too big. Didn’t make a wallpost when he did give it up but just continued the game, which is a good look,
Rodemy: town. Has been softing all game.
Axelrod: probably what he claimed. Frustration with the role seems real.
Fuwa orangeandblack5: pretty much null, slight scumlean from Fuwa’s posts. Reading orange’s posts is on my todo, only skimmed them so far.
kpaca: town. Old meta read, but I think I know how he plays.
Jackrito: town. Mafia wouldn’t have claimed the ZDS shot.
Slothful: mafia
TerRaine: mafia
gooLagoon: lean town. Still gutread.
Ampharos: town or 3p.
xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx: null. Need to read the more recent stuff.
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry: town. Mafia!Terry is kore careful in his wording. Old meta though.
Zionite Trisscar: slight mafia lean, but Zionite is easily misread as mafia. Will need to see more from Trisscar.
So you think all the TeRaine vs. Sloth stuff is WvW?
Ok, I had time to do my Rhand reading. I think town. Reads are fluid, seems to be scum hunting, I agree with most of what he's saying and I don't think as scum he forgets who he replaced in for.
We can assume someone was poisoned too, but no one claimed being poisoned. Could Fulcrum have been blocked? I doubt it, unless there are two scum teams in addition to the SKs. I think Fulcrum was pretty universally town read going into N1, so only scum would RB Fulcrum, but not if they killed him also, so that means a second team would have had to RB Fulcrum, so I think someone is poisoned and knows it, but for some reason or another isn't sharing it.
May have mentioned this before, but will say again in case, scum RBing and killing the same target is not only possible, but is fairly common, I believe. Which requires no second scum team and also explains no poisoned person.
That said, poisoned scum just not claiming it and being ready to take a hit for the team is also very possible.
I hate to do this but something's happened in my life and... i don't quite know how to handle it.
But I won't be able to give this game any real attention as a result.
I need to replace out.
Osie I'm sorry. But I just... can't.
Oh man, I'm sorry. Take take.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
....credit where credits due. That was good.
But I won't be able to give this game any real attention as a result.
I need to replace out.
Osie I'm sorry. But I just... can't.
Luck on whatever happened and happens next mate, be safe.
No, a case is good if is correct and goes to a wolf elimination, not to a new mislynch. And your idea about meta is the right one because ........? You may fill the blanc.
You have a tendency to consider your opinion is the best and you are never wrong?
And what exactly is this redacted thingy who just avoids the answer?
You could only explain about Amy and Tom? You made such a big post to say only 2 useful sentences?
I want to make sure I'm following here.
If I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying:
Honestly, I barely rely on meta from reading other games myself. Too lazy.
Still - do you happen to be Kliff from MU? Apologies if not.
...This sounds a lot like Tom in Prison with you - you didn't scumread tom then, any particular reason Rhand's different?
Tom was pushing a "false narrative" there too, but while vague, he clearly believed it as he was town.
Sorry, man, hope everything's okay.
I am sorry to hear this, wish you good luck!
Let's try this: "A meta case that turns out to be wrong is scummy" Yes, or no?
If yes, why?
If no, then why are you sticking to that idea re: Joe and, to a lesser degree, Ter?
No strong town read implies a town read, even if slight, and so i wish to understand why don't you go for a scum read/slight scum read/null read instead.
No but villagers are willing to reevaluate and reconsider.
Not always, but in this particular case it looks like a fabricated reason to keep pushing a townie.
I am sticking with a scum read I have on Terry and i see the questions Terraine is asking me as unhelpful for town and just as a defence for Terry whom i consider scum.
I start to think that no matter Terry's AI, Terraine is independently scummy.
If Terry is town, Terraine knows it and is pushing me because i am wrong and this will be evident after Terry will flip, and if Terry is scum with Terraine, the explanation for the defence on Terry and push on me is unneeded.
I am not spanish, but latin languages are my speciality.
I am not Kliff.
Your questions about the meta thing makes me think i didn't explain well, sorry about that.
Side note, I didn't read and i will not read those games, any ZDS old Iso and stuff. So anything related to that Iso is just my general opinion on how scum!Terry would handle a meta to fit it in his narrative, i saw meta used so many times in wrong way by scum.
If at contrary I am wrong and this is town!Terry, i am sorry to notice he indeed skimmed the Iso and was aatisfied with his scum read.
Yes, he could be a wrong townie by the interpretation of that meta in a vacuum, but why would a townie react so savage but not decisive at my idea to check the ones who pushed ZDS?
I don't know if this answers at your questions, is pretty hard to answer at a big wall on phone.
Love you too. For your body.
Why would I not say that?
Deadbananas replaces Killjoy, effective immediately.
Don't discuss circumstances surrounding replacements.
Good luck. I’ve been reading for hours and hours since I replaced in and am not even halfway.
10 pages in an hour? How thoroughly are you reading?
Sorry for this huge quote, parsing quotes on my ipad is insanity :/
What I want to point out is the interaction with tubba here. He accuses him of wanting to lynch 3p (which is fine), but hands him the counter-argument he needs in the same breath.
This is never town talking. Either he wants to help his buddy get out of a situation by being the first to talk about it and handing him a way out, or it’s scum knowing they’re falsely accusing town.
vote Sloth
I’m pretty much sold and don’t like voting someone that just replaced in.
Ter throwing shade at ZDS while ZDS is at five votes.
Terraine isn’t voting at this point.
Seems to me like she is looking to set herself up to hop on that wagon.
Heh this is just wrong.
She puts ZDS, who she never voted, on the bottom of the readslist and then has no qualms whatsoever to jump on the konan train while it’s taking off in a hurry.
Looks like pure opportunism to me.
Still have to read some of the more recent content though, but here’s where I’m at right now:
Killjoy (Deadbananas): not town - KJ was far enough from his normal meta for me to believe he’s not town.
tomsloger: lean town - Gave up the gimmick when the distraction became too big. Didn’t make a wallpost when he did give it up but just continued the game, which is a good look,
Rodemy: town. Has been softing all game.
Axelrod: probably what he claimed. Frustration with the role seems real.
Fuwa orangeandblack5: pretty much null, slight scumlean from Fuwa’s posts. Reading orange’s posts is on my todo, only skimmed them so far.
kpaca: town. Old meta read, but I think I know how he plays.
Jackrito: town. Mafia wouldn’t have claimed the ZDS shot.
Slothful: mafia
TerRaine: mafia
gooLagoon: lean town. Still gutread.
Ampharos: town or 3p.
xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx: null. Need to read the more recent stuff.
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry: town. Mafia!Terry is kore careful in his wording. Old meta though.
Zionite Trisscar: slight mafia lean, but Zionite is easily misread as mafia. Will need to see more from Trisscar.
Slothful (4) - TerRaine, gooLagoon, Jackrito, Rhand
xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx (3) - TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Rodemy, kpaca
deadbananas (1) - tomsloger
kpaca (1) - orangeandblack5
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry (1) - xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx
Trisscar (1) - Axelrod
Not voting: Ampharos, deadbananas, Slothful, Trisscar
Vote History:
Slothful - Tubba Fett > (Unvote)
tomsloger - Slothful > deadbananas
TerRaine - Tubba Fett > xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx
xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx - TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
Rodemy - xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx > Axelrod > deadbananas > Slothful > Killjoy > xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry - xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx
Rhand - Slothful > deadbananas > Slothful
Jackrito - orangeandblack5 > Unvote > Slothful
gooLagoon - Slothful > TheRealStinkyJoeTerry > Slothful
Axelrod - Trisscar
kpaca - xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx
orangeandblack5 - kpaca
It takes 8 to elim, and Day 2 Deadline is July 11th, 2020 at 1715 PST. There will likely be a twilight phase.
Ampharos is V/LA.
....I didn't think I need to outline the obvious part of it being not a mislynch but...sure. If you needed that spelled out. My point is it doesn't matter if I am 100% correct. If I do not convince others to vote their as well it does not matter.
The reason I'm right about meta is sheer common sense. You're treating it an exact science. Player A reads Players Bs past scum game. Players A reads Player B's past Town game. They now know their meta completely and if they say wrong they must be scum.
That's not how human's work.
Nah I'm wrong a lot. My opinions sometimes suck. I recognize that doesn't mean I'm wrong that it's a bad idea to deal in absolutes.
I made a post to point out I'm not going to spoon feed you things I've already answered especially to someone so gosh darn pleasant. If you want them go read the game.
.....The irony of my plan given my N1 actions but it is what it is. C'est La Vie.
The bolded - you are 100% wrong. It does matter?
This meta talk became already too fluffy. I think i said my oppinion few times. You seem to agree that using meta to accuse someone is a towny thing to do and i can only shrug at this.
Noted your refusal to express your reads at request. That means you forgot them?
In this very moment i really wish your last sentence to come true but before of this i wish you can tell me who is mafia for you in the world where i am villager.
Because this is the world i am living it.
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I will be absent around 20 hours from now on. RL calls me :zzz:
It means I'm not interested in doing your leg work for you. If you were reading the game you'd know them.
(I did a GIF!!!!)
It might well be yes. I’ll have to look back at the course of events, but I’m pretty sure they’ve been called w/w before they stopped townreading each other. In which case distancing makes total sense.
What say you to a sloth wagon Tom? Not sure your policy on sub ins but if you're scum reading him anyway ya can always vote me or NotKilljoy D3.
Reads more or less line up. I keep saying I need to reread Killjoy, but I need to reread Killjoy.
speaking of which: wish you the best with whatever you're dealing with
In other news, Trisscar is probably mafia.
I’m ok with lynching any of those first 4.
...there's 5 names there though.
I'm onboard for 2 of them
Sorry I misread.
And yes...I realize 6. I am good with numbers and counting....very smart. much math
That said, poisoned scum just not claiming it and being ready to take a hit for the team is also very possible.
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Oh man, I'm sorry. Take take.
I think it's time to flip Sloth. Whataya'll say? It will end the day and give the replacements time to catch up.