Wake can you or can you not build an actual case against JoeTerry or is your vote strictly because he scum reads you? It's a simple question.
i can Iso him. idrc about the fact he scum reads me, the thing was him calling me scum (telling me "die scum") and not voting.
This is scum behaviour, waiting and see thread's answer and all, townies usually put the vote where they head is. Based on that i'd say Terry is like 70% scum. Maybe the Iso will make it clear for me and i will share it here.
Yea this does not hold water with me honestly. I have withheld my vote as Town too because I want to see what a player does with pressure BEFORE a vote.
In your case you become hyper defensive with 70% (?!) certainty based on one action and no other game play.
If you told this pinged you and you ISOed him to find out more that would be one thing...but 70% scum certainty because one thing is just over the top.
Not to mention I'm sorry but typing out the html [ ] tags IS a pain in the ass on the phone esp. if its at low battery.
I have a problem here. You are jumping on me while i want an answer from Terry. I don't want to explain you my thoughts if you understand what i mean.
Idrc how lazy are you so you can't type the code on phone. For me became the easiest thing to format on phone any post so complains like these sound weak.
I hosted games on phone so not putting the bb code for bold just because your phone is low battery should be never mentioned. You don't have battery, you don't play.
I didn't make his Iso and now is work in progress but what if i gave him so many scum pointes for jusr one post? Do you town read him? Why?
Wake can you or can you not build an actual case against JoeTerry or is your vote strictly because he scum reads you? It's a simple question.
i can Iso him. idrc about the fact he scum reads me, the thing was him calling me scum (telling me "die scum") and not voting.
This is scum behaviour, waiting and see thread's answer and all, townies usually put the vote where they head is. Based on that i'd say Terry is like 70% scum. Maybe the Iso will make it clear for me and i will share it here.
Yea this does not hold water with me honestly. I have withheld my vote as Town too because I want to see what a player does with pressure BEFORE a vote.
In your case you become hyper defensive with 70% (?!) certainty based on one action and no other game play.
If you told this pinged you and you ISOed him to find out more that would be one thing...but 70% scum certainty because one thing is just over the top.
Not to mention I'm sorry but typing out the html [ ] tags IS a pain in the ass on the phone esp. if its at low battery.
I have a problem here. You are jumping on me while i want an answer from Terry. I don't want to explain you my thoughts if you understand what i mean.
Idrc how lazy are you so you can't type the code on phone. For me became the easiest thing to format on phone any post so complains like these sound weak.
I hosted games on phone so not putting the bb code for bold just because your phone is low battery should be never mentioned. You don't have battery, you don't play.
I didn't make his Iso and now is work in progress but what if i gave him so many scum pointes for jusr one post? Do you town read him? Why?
And frankly I really don't care if you "don't want to explain your thoughts." It's part of the game. It looks scummy to go "J'accuse!" but not be able to form an reasonable explanation as to why. There's also a sense of irony by saying "don't have battery? Don't play!" when you follow it with "I'm at work so I didn't do the ISO yet." I don't question people's RL reasonings since a literal rule of the game. If someone says "Hey my phone is low just just a quick post" thats RL. He came in and posted his reasoning there after so...it's not relevant.
As for do I Town read him...I would classify him as a slight town lean to neutral. He's pushing his reads...giving reasons. Trying to solve the game and willing now at least to work with people. He's not doing anti-town actions.
Sorry guys, real life happens and I don't always have the ability to post a wall of thoughts, or even decent size posts, but sometimes I do and when I do, I think it should be pretty clear where I stand. Sometimes I check the game on my phone and for some reason or another just have a knee jerk reaction and need to put something in the thread. Did the thread impact my case at all? NO. Compare what I have put into this game on the WMU topic and consider what WMU has thrown at me. The difference is very clear.
Also, don't think I haven't noticed Sloth defending WMU.
What is happening this game. It's like I'm speaking in tongues - I legitimately feel I'm making some basic, simple, easy-to-follow points and yet neither Ter nor Rod seem to understand what I'm saying. Seriously, is it me?
Your point was, it seemed, to counter the validity of looking into Dork's wagon per Wake's logic (otherwise why bring this up at all? I don't know what you were achieving)
…are you serious with this question?
Because a good case can’t be built on a *****ty foundation. Even if WMU’s push eventually weeds out scum it still begins with a false premise/lie by claiming ZDS was a counter weapon started by scum to provide a shelter for votes against a town flipping konan. It adds bias and doubt that scum can USE later to turn it around.
If WMU is Town than starting out thinking a completely incorrect train of events occurred is going to create bias in what’s she’s reading. If WMU is scum she makes it so she can do allllll this busywork and appear to be town and scum hunting…that gets turned into an “oops” when this comes up later.
What I’m trying to achieve is not wasting time by starting the whole thing off with a blob of reasonable doubt slapped on for scum to argue. None of that says don’t look at wagons. It says don’t look at wagons with this false narrative rattling around in your head.
What do you think the advantages are exactly to beginning a scum hunt with a wrong info?
Listen, what you're saying only makes sense in a world where at least one of the two wagons yesterDay hasn't already flipped. I cannot explain that any better.
False premise? Bias? Who do you seriously think is going to be taken by that when we already know the roles? We already know who the contested were, and we know about one of the instigators. There's nothing in his narrative that can make us forget that, harping on it is time-wasting nonsense.
To be fair, this is too and I'm just going to stop arguing it and look at the wagons.
Sloth, I’m dropping this because it is getting us nowhere. I didnt read the flavor text, Something i’d do as both alignments. Pointing it out and throwing shade does nothing. Saying you are torn between town or scum Rodemy is very fencesitty. Either you think I’m scum for it or you think it doesn’t matter. Obviously you think I could be scum for it which baffles me. I didnt read flavor text, big whoop. I read what I did read and made my opinions on it. Hey look, progress.
So either find some other reason to scumread me or go back and try again?
I’m kinda feeling a scum sloth vibe concidering your fency view on me. Like you wanna our doubt out there but don’t wanna commit to it. On something that Is NAI. Just waiting to jump on someone who agrees
For the third time: This has ****-all to do with you not reading flavor like you do every game.
This is about holding you accountable for what you said earlier this game.
You said you were trying to be better and said you were making an effort, to explain your earlier play. So you were trying to change the way you play.
Then you default back to this 'kooky rodemy' bs toDay after you stated you were trying to move away from that because that should be what's expected of you, and you don't think that raises some flags?
Either you are Town that lied about trying to be better, or you're scum that is trying to hide behind your expected town-behavior and contradicting your earlier play.
If it's the first, then that's disappointing as hell. w/e.
Anyway, I'm definitely being clear about how I'm looking at you.
I'm being clear about where I stand on most people, assuming I have a stance honestly - and this goes to everyone, 'cause I keep seeing these throwaway comments about me not being firm this game and it's getting tiring.
Yep, I'm definitely being laidback and lazy this game. But nope. If I have a stance on something, you know it. Try something actually valid to bring against me.
Also, don't think I haven't noticed Sloth defending WMU.
'haven't noticed'? Dude, it's been blatant. You're not special lol.
Not necessarily 'cause I townread him, but what others have been trying to use against him (that I've commented on and nothing else) struck me as bull*****.
When he acts off I take note of it too.
also i think it was tom(?) that had a theory that there's a tom riddle on each alignment
which could point to scum knowing to kill wisp given that, in hindsight, he pretty blatantly claimed riddle in-thread if you knew what to look for
i do agree that axelrod looks sketchy as **** in light of the new setup info
no one claiming new tom riddle is noted
It could just mean last wasnt town so they dont want to say... but he was probably killed by nontown one way or another...
So it could just be a tom riddle thing for <reasons>
Im still guessing axel is nagini
Or possibly was nagini and is now tom riddle
im still reading and phone posting on low batteries. But WTF!? To both the blood bath and flips as well as this post. Die scum
This strong reaction comes from which part of the post, Jerry?
Ok, I'm on my laptop now. I'm still not all the way caught up, but after the Konan flip, I was bent on ZDS certainly being scum because of the speed in which the Konan counter wagon formed. I fully intended on going this route today and picking through the Konan counter voters and trying to read intentions on votes. That being said, this is the statement I had an issue with:
"I wish to read a little in who pushed ZDS. That push was scum orchestrated for sure."
First, it reads to me like two distinct opinions. The first sentence reads, like "maybe I'll look into, it might be a thing", the second reads like, "That was definitely for sure pushed by scum!" Being that I was one of the main pushers of ZDS and I planned on doing it again today, and I know I'm not scum, this raised some alarms for me. It just resonates as a weak approach to fake scum hunting. Like, "Oh, look at the town flip! Let's try to lynch people on that wagon!", but why not the actual wagon on Konan who also flipped town after being lynched? It kind of blows my mind that the ZDS wagonis what WMU wants to push instead of the Konan lynch. For crying out loud, it is very likely that Jack is a town vig and took the exact same shot I would have, so how does that line up with ZDS being a scum push, when the most likely scenario was that he was killed by a town vig? I still need to unwrap everything, but this is my knee jerk reaction explained.
All of this makes sense and it's perfectly reasonable...in a world where Dork didn't flip and is now conf!town.
We have confirmation that yesterday it was t/t wagons duking it out - and while I have seen instances where one of these were entirely town-composed (meaning no scum pushed/voted on them), I haven't seen anything that would make me think that this is absolutely the case here.
What I'm trying to say here is that you seem to be opposed to looking at the Dork wagon (and no one said not to look at the Konan wagon) for no validly explained reason. Let me be clear too: It could not matter less, as far as wagon formation goes, who got exec'd D1 and who got killed off N1. Both flipped town, neither specifically arose as a result of the other, rather independently.
All we know for sure about Konan over Dork is that it was started by a now-confirmed 3p.
Also what's with the bolded? That's like super self-conscious nonsense - you think looking into Dork immediately means you will get wagoned and are overreacting to that? Am I reading it right?
so.. I’m confused why you aren’t just saying terry, the only person here on zds EOD. Before that was me and goo. So like. Who the **** are you actually looking at?
Rod continues to be his Town self.
Did anyone think that Last had a valid point re: Rod's lazy/not-trying performance, and if so can you comment on it? I don't want to dismiss it but I'm not seeing it as of this post. Anyone else?
(1)Man was I the only one scum reading fulcrum? I couldn’t be.
(2)Lasts death puzzles me a bit.
Concidering we only know one other person who’s alignment won’t be revealed, we can assume axlerod was claiming Tom riddle has to survive. Thus being an angel. so we know he is probably on last’s team, and is not town. I think there is a 4th alignment.
so axle should probably die considering our win condition.
(3)but I think last was a town vig kill.
zds dies. Carrow faction kill???
As does fulcrum. Probably most likely the mafia kill.
Those are my thoughts on the night.
(1) I'm pretty sure you were, can't think of anyone else off the top of my head.
(2) Run this by me again? Why does being flipless mean that they are Axel's protection target? Am I understanding you correctly?
4th alignment meaning Town | Scum | 3p | 4p
(3) So you think Jack's scum or 3p?
...it was at this point of the post that I realized the premise here is that you havent read the start of Day...or any of our posts? That...doesn't sound like you.
...Dude read the soD post.
I'm seriously of two-minds in trying to decide if I think Rod actually makes this mistake or if this is him trying to act up kooky!Rodemy. This seems a little much.
The logic of the cw as scum orchestrated is because mafia
ZDS wasn't a counter wagon pushed to rival Konan's though. He was being wagoned by VC 1.7 when no one was even looking crossed eyed at Shadow/eventually Konan. So your logic that it was orchestrated by scum to avoid suspicion of being part of the konan mislynch falls apart.
Dork/Konan were t/t wagon.
Pretty sure you'd want more than one wagon to avoid suspicion in general.
In addition Konan came after Dork, and was led by a non-scum player.
None of this means we should not be looking at Dork wagon with the Konan wagon.
Btw, what are your thoughts on #2040? Does it affect your read of me at all? I see you're not voting me.
the one where you said my method of reading you is bad when im 3 for 4 reading you correctly and the one time i was wrong was a read on the person you replaced?
I think youre scum but not with fonti
Wow.
I think I want to see if you can actually explain some things.
First the second half:
Why is finding fonti's partner (who you know isn't scum) more of a priority to you than exec'ing scum?
Do you feel stronger about KJ being her partner than about me being scum? 'Cause it really doesn't seem like you do.
And then the first half:
Am I misremembering something? 3 for 4?
You weren't sure of me on dlp mountainous. You were scum in MCU so that doesn't matter. Were you townreading my slot in Marblelympics? I didn't think so, but I admit I may have forgotten since there were so many conflicting opinions per slot. Prison, sure, that's one for you. And then there's Matter, which no. What 4?
Also, on Matter specifically, here are some posts of you scumreading me which are irrefutably centered on me and basketball, not on who I replaced:
Damn getting blamed for a lynch i didnt want. Crazy.
Consistency/inconsistency is rarely AI imo
For sloth, that definitely ties into my basketball analogy. His way of interacting with the thread is much showier and hollower. Hes shooting long 2s and getting lost in transition
Think hes scum
We were talking about NBA analogies for players in dlp spec chat. I came up with <tenacious defender patrick beverly> for townsloth and looking at his iso here i cant see any better than <michael kidd-gilchrist whos apparently on the mavericks now?>
For sloth, that definitely ties into my basketball analogy. His way of interacting with the thread is much showier and hollower. Hes shooting long 2s and getting lost in transition
Think hes scum
How can a man that just called me boo insult me like this? Is romance truly dead? :heartbreak emoji:
Also, for the last time, I really don't know basketball: what does "shooting long 2s" and "gettling lost in transition" mean?
luckily this post is more for grape/whatever than you, but here you go
Townsloth from prison: Patrick Beverley is known for his tenacious defense and making himself an asset when he doesnt have the ball on offense, via movement etc. Hes not necessarily about scoring a lot of points, but when he does shoot its usually a high ROI shot (3 pointers and near the basket)
So when i say youre getting lost in transition, it means you play offense but then when the other team gets the ball you dont snap into that defense. In prison, even as your case on me was objectively bad i still felt smothered. Now youre someone halfheartedly waving a hand at a shooter that already got where he wanted
When you are taking a shot it feels lazy and low-percentage (aka a long 2. Same points as a dunk only from way further, or about as difficult as a 3 pointer but low reward.)
I will never understand sports.
I think you mean "lazily but efficiently explained "hot take" that axel is scum", thank you very much.
so why are you asking why i think its lazy?
Because the question wasn't how my case was lazy, but how me choosing to go after Axel, right off the bat, with little voiced reasons, fully admitting I had barely glanced at the first 20+ pages of the game, and with full knowledge that I would be raining attention and scrutiny down on me by doing so (which...didn't happen? lolwhat?), could be lazy.
oh
Then the answer is because its factually lazy
...
The metaphor is how it felt to be pushed by you.
You are giving axel no more than a light breeze
I dont really have an opinion on jacks tone, changing or otherwise.
His exposition continues to be pretty far from his actions. Especially wrt umami and itf.
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Sloth read sorta comes from the differences i saw between prison block and the dlp mountainous.
I keep thinking about him in terms of the basketball analogy (you may have missed it i called him old carmelo anthony earlier) but what it comes down to is he feels way more like the scum game
@tom why would you think it's scummy from me? ("it can be all 3 tbh")
Like you've seen me play both alignments. When have I ever not cared?
the game where you were scum and then again here...
...how are you defining care? I tried hard that game. I came up with reads, was active, got other players mislynched, fought like hell against my lynch. I am not a lazy nor inactive player by nature.
you should perhaps keep in mind i read ~nothing after yall killed me if you stopped sucking at some point
But there are leagues of difference between <here and that game> vs <prison and mcu>
Same question for you? Like, Day ended with no vote from you.
I know you wanted to finish your analysis before doing so, but that was 4 days ago and even I got a vote in. Who would you have voted for?
if you are town im exceptionally disappointed in you rn
Cant really figure out whos bussing before figuring out whos scum...
If sloth is scum i think theres a partner or two on him regardless of his role. Dudes not playing and always dying in the next few days, theres little reason not to bus
If hes town... sucks to suck i guess.
Towards lynching the roleblocker...
Thats why kj isnt an option today
Beyond that no further info
I stopped at 10, figured that was enough, but I assume there were more.
I actually don't think you had much of an opinion on Mp7 before I came in.
So that whole statement is what we call a lie, isn't it? Like, there's no way you misrepresented what happened this badly by accident.
And now the thing I say when I start circling in on a player: Ya wolfin', bro?
do you...
Not understand that this is a gut read that im using an anology to explain?
Yes i got it wrong in matter
I did die scumreading you the dlp game you were scum, and i did correctly townread you in prison and marblelympics (with assist from correctly reading fonti contributions)
Why do you continue to grill rodemy, your townread, like hes your main suspect? Where is that TeNaCiTy in your pushes?
Cut the attitude Sloth with the "answer my questions please" cause I asked for clarification.
I told you I wasn't sure where it was and ask you to direct me to where you explained your reaction to 864. Now that you've directed me to it I can read and answer. What I gain from this is insight as to your reaction to 864...I didn't understand why that to draw from your phrasing was the straw to break the camels back...I'd seen the reactive Town!Rod plenty before that so that post didn't strike me as anything special.
Playing reactively is scummy because you can hide your alignment easier. You can push with the flow, and can avoid making statements that are hard to walk back from. I should clarify that I don’t think all reactive playing is scummy, it can serve a purpose for both alignments. It feels like you are using it to hide your bright shining self, as opposed to trying to trap a scum read.
And I can't explain to you any better that starting off a scum hunt with incorrect and false info is BAD. Even WMU is admitting he was wrong and revisiting his way of looking at it. I pointed out what actually happened and you're the one that has a problem with that for some reason
I'm suspicous of tom a bit given he's spending so much time hunting for fulcrum's partner. He's started a wagon in that vein, but he's the only one obviously voting me for being fulcrum's supposed partner. When I eventually claim I believe I'll dissuade that notion I think.
Also last's role doesn't actually have the town wincon, and it's talk of passing itself down makes me lean Mafia instead of neutral. I don't see it making sense if it passed, say, to fulcrum if she was still alive.
See I don't get the mafia lean unless there's a Tom for each faction...otherwise the Dark Marks are pointless as a mafia!Riddle has no reason to ever hand one out to someone not in their scum team.
You can argue maybe that he's not included in the scum chat so he's aligned but not informed....but the clone thing ****s that up cause it would just pass to someone who is informed and now can just dole out darkmarks to their team. It's way too OPed on scums side then
also i think it was tom(?) that had a theory that there's a tom riddle on each alignment
which could point to scum knowing to kill wisp given that, in hindsight, he pretty blatantly claimed riddle in-thread if you knew what to look for
i do agree that axelrod looks sketchy as **** in light of the new setup info
no one claiming new tom riddle is noted
It could just mean last wasnt town so they dont want to say... but he was probably killed by nontown one way or another...
So it could just be a tom riddle thing for <reasons>
Im still guessing axel is nagini
Or possibly was nagini and is now tom riddle
New Tom Riddle should almost definitely not be claiming. You don't agree?
And with respect to the Nagini thing, in as much as you have this idea because Nagini is flavorfully connected to Voldemort, I would point out that the role says it goes randomly to someone of the same alignment. So unless you think our mod. is lying about that, do you even have a reason for this theory?
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@axel
I think youre not main-team scum, if such exists this game...
Beyond that, youre not town and im going to speculate
Nagini/ a horcrux is the best flavor for what youre claiming. Its connected to tom riddle.
That feels like more than enough connection
@Sloth: I missed the part where he is voting me. I'll check it out.
@tom: That's also what most other people would say. Also, we should leave hunting the neutrals to scum. They're a threat to the mafia more than they are to town. Don't sidetrack the game hunting for a serial killer when there's very likely a whole mafia team exisiting. Speculating is one thing but when you pull people onto a tangent with you that's a whole other thing.
Axel: I wonder: would claiming your flavor name make your target too obvious? I still have *a concern* sbout you and I'm like it eased.
@Ter: I think he did know he was mafia. The rest of that role would likely include a link to a chat, which isn't revealred in flips usually.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
@axel
I think youre not main-team scum, if such exists this game...
Beyond that, youre not town and im going to speculate
Nagini/ a horcrux is the best flavor for what youre claiming. Its connected to tom riddle.
That feels like more than enough connection
@WMU Just gonna point out that typing anything on a phone when you're used to a full keyboard is an exercise in frustration, and the fact that Ter is typing out as much as they are regardless is kinda admirable to me.
@axel
I think youre not main-team scum, if such exists this game...
Beyond that, youre not town and im going to speculate
Nagini/ a horcrux is the best flavor for what youre claiming. Its connected to tom riddle.
That feels like more than enough connection
What did he claim?
Axel claimed some variant of Guardian Angel I believe.
@Sloth: I am NOT opposed to looking at the ZDS wagon, what I'm opposed too was that the Konan wagon was being ignored and WMU was skipping right over to the ZDS wagon, which is opposite of what I think should be the town-mindset. With ZDS flipping town, WMU's comment seemed stink of scum trying to push another mislynch most likely because there weren't scum on the ZDS wagon and there was on the Konan wagon.
With the exception of Fulcrum, this looks like a pretty town wagon to me. I'm not sure about Tom, but everyone else has looked pretty good to me and despite being a third party Fulcrum was playing +town which most likely earned them a scum N1 kill. This stood out to me because I was most likely the person WMU was going to start pushing. See WMU post #2091 to emphasize that opinion. So defensive? Yes a little. Is it scummy to be defensive when you see ill-intent towards you? No.
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That's the thing though, and I said it already: No one said anything about not looking at the Konan wagon, not Wake, nor anyone else. That's the conclusion you seized upon on your own with no valid reasoning for it, and it is hyper-defensive.
Why do you say Dork's wagon most likely didn't have scum? Is there a reason you think the Dork wagon's entirely composed of town beyond Wake's focus on it?
Why is Lagoon town for you again?
I wanted to circle back on this.
Who do you think is scum on the above mentioned wagon? Obviously, not counting Fulcrum.
Was meant to be right after Toms post bout the wincon on riddle. Would explain the mystery around it if those ???s on his flip/alignment amount to “it depends”
I think there has to be multiple tom riddles. Doesnt make sense any other way.
Maybe last was town tom riddle and theres a mafia voldemort
Maybe axel is nagini or quirrel and is a tom riddle/counts as a tom riddle towards parity
Maybe last (or someone else) was a neutral tom riddle and when he died his tom riddle-ness randed between axel and fontis partner
Maybe last was mafia tom riddle and a new mafia has it now. Still probably has to be another somewhere
Also how many wincons does this game have? Weve seen 3 and had a 4th claimed and we dont even have a mafia flip...
I dont really think "tom riddle" is a traditional team so much as something ****y to be aware of though
None of this may matter for ~awhile, and i dont think there can be more than 3. Its not gonna be easy to find tom riddles on behavior if that becomes necessary... but theres some mechanical basis
Ohh I think I maybe figured it out. What if the reward of collecting marks is creating more tom riddles? That would be a way to spread it across alignments and secure a win.
Multiple tom riddles across alignments from the start is ridiculous because that means tom riddle is always alive at the end.
@Rhand
I asked you earlier about your top town reads, I’d like them when you get a chance.
@Tom
The only way Tom Riddle makes sense is if there’s multiples, or at the very least a way to make more. The win condition makes no sense otherwise. There is no possible game state for one player to be left alive? If Wisp was mafia, they would win in F2 before Riddle triggered?
@Rod
Tell me about one of your reads, let’s get you back in this *****.
Also last's role doesn't actually have the town wincon, and it's talk of passing itself down makes me lean Mafia instead of neutral. I don't see it making sense if it passed, say, to fulcrum if she was still alive.
See I don't get the mafia lean unless there's a Tom for each faction...otherwise the Dark Marks are pointless as a mafia!Riddle has no reason to ever hand one out to someone not in their scum team.
You can argue maybe that he's not included in the scum chat so he's aligned but not informed....but the clone thing ****s that up cause it would just pass to someone who is informed and now can just dole out darkmarks to their team. It's way too OPed on scums side then
I mean, there are probably other ways to get them. It's a mechanic... there will be other roles that interact with them. Some people might have even started with them.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Ok. So why are you eliminating a whole alignment because we don't know enough about the mechanics of the game? That's premature, is available in saying.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Then again the wording is ominous as **** with the “your worries will be lessened” nonsense
I took it as a bulletproof vest or something. I guess it’s not clear, but an upgrade would have to be good/beneficial? Osie’s not a monster.
It’s probably a town ability, seems the best gameplay wise. Town has to guess if it’s going to town or scum, scum would just keep it to themselves.
I was leaning Last as town, the ability seems town. Longwindedly agree with Terraine on not seeing a mafia lean based on the wording, some gameplay assumptions and my lean on Last.
Ok, time out. Why do we care so much about the Tom Riddle mechanic? Should we be, you know... looking for scum?
I agree with this statement we are getting way too sidetracked by what ifs about this, when our focus should be hunting scum if Riddle is connected to that great, but not something to spend the whole day phase on.
This is me going back to my issue eod 1 where she voted Konan even though being anti it before hand.
I also do not like Rod that much atm, his responses today and end of day yesterday just show a lack of intrest and I agree with Sloth's points on him which has also increased my townread of Sloth a tiny bit.
I kept getting distracted. I will give my thoughts (backreading for better idea of what's what) before I V/LA weekend.
@Jackrito I wouldn't say I was anti it. I just don't 100% believe she was mafia. My vote was there to end it, since discussion was already revolving around her and potentially not going anywhere else. Plus, it was already nearing deadline so I don't think it was wrong to want a lynch then.
At the end of it, I decided to sheep my townread: fulcrum.
I don't think people talking about fulcrum's partner is necessarily bad, since that's the current lead we have. Or talking about Tom Riddle. We are potentially dealing with 3 neutrals faction here (including axel if he can count as a faction).
@WMU why exactly are you townreading me? I get you refer to meta, but that seems fairly easy to hide behind.
Ok, time out. Why do we care so much about the Tom Riddle mechanic? Should we be, you know... looking for scum?
I think Tom Riddle IS scum, is my point. His role seems to interact with some kind of group that presumably knows about each other. Could be neutral, but Occum's says it's Mafia.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Ok, time out. Why do we care so much about the Tom Riddle mechanic? Should we be, you know... looking for scum?
I think Tom Riddle IS scum, is my point. His role seems to interact with some kind of group that presumably knows about each other. Could be neutral, but Occum's says it's Mafia.
So you think there’s a mechanic that makes mafia lose their roles as they get lynched?
A) I don’t believe you believe Occam points that way
B) You never trust your skill in setup gaming and now that we’re in a bastard game you’re gonna do it?
8 pages in, I have townreads on Rodemy, Kpaca and gooLagoon.
Rodemy: he wouldn’t have backtracked on his gambit as mafia.
Kpaca: he’s asking the right questions. Sadly in his typical Kpaca way where he doesn’t share what the answers do to his reads. Town for sure if terry is mafia.
gooLagoon: gutread.
I have a problem here. You are jumping on me while i want an answer from Terry. I don't want to explain you my thoughts if you understand what i mean.
Idrc how lazy are you so you can't type the code on phone. For me became the easiest thing to format on phone any post so complains like these sound weak.
I hosted games on phone so not putting the bb code for bold just because your phone is low battery should be never mentioned. You don't have battery, you don't play.
I didn't make his Iso and now is work in progress but what if i gave him so many scum pointes for jusr one post? Do you town read him? Why?
Here goes the EBWOP and sorry for typos:
@TerRaine
And frankly I really don't care if you "don't want to explain your thoughts." It's part of the game. It looks scummy to go "J'accuse!" but not be able to form an reasonable explanation as to why. There's also a sense of irony by saying "don't have battery? Don't play!" when you follow it with "I'm at work so I didn't do the ISO yet." I don't question people's RL reasonings since a literal rule of the game. If someone says "Hey my phone is low just just a quick post" thats RL. He came in and posted his reasoning there after so...it's not relevant.
As for do I Town read him...I would classify him as a slight town lean to neutral. He's pushing his reads...giving reasons. Trying to solve the game and willing now at least to work with people. He's not doing anti-town actions.
Also, don't think I haven't noticed Sloth defending WMU.
Listen, what you're saying only makes sense in a world where at least one of the two wagons yesterDay hasn't already flipped. I cannot explain that any better.
False premise? Bias? Who do you seriously think is going to be taken by that when we already know the roles? We already know who the contested were, and we know about one of the instigators. There's nothing in his narrative that can make us forget that, harping on it is time-wasting nonsense.
To be fair, this is too and I'm just going to stop arguing it and look at the wagons.
Anyway, why are you bad at quotes? I told you to look for it (cause you didn't want to) since it was easy to find and the longest post in my ISO, here it is.
Answer my questions please.
For the third time: This has ****-all to do with you not reading flavor
like you do every game.This is about holding you accountable for what you said earlier this game.
You said you were trying to be better and said you were making an effort, to explain your earlier play. So you were trying to change the way you play.
Then you default back to this 'kooky rodemy' bs toDay after you stated you were trying to move away from that because that should be what's expected of you, and you don't think that raises some flags?
Either you are Town that lied about trying to be better, or you're scum that is trying to hide behind your expected town-behavior and contradicting your earlier play.
If it's the first, then that's disappointing as hell. w/e.
Anyway, I'm definitely being clear about how I'm looking at you.
I'm being clear about where I stand on most people, assuming I have a stance honestly - and this goes to everyone, 'cause I keep seeing these throwaway comments about me not being firm this game and it's getting tiring.
Yep, I'm definitely being laidback and lazy this game. But nope. If I have a stance on something, you know it. Try something actually valid to bring against me.
Not necessarily 'cause I townread him, but what others have been trying to use against him (that I've commented on and nothing else) struck me as bull*****.
When he acts off I take note of it too.
It could just mean last wasnt town so they dont want to say... but he was probably killed by nontown one way or another...
So it could just be a tom riddle thing for <reasons>
Im still guessing axel is nagini
Or possibly was nagini and is now tom riddle
Not understand that this is a gut read that im using an anology to explain?
Yes i got it wrong in matter
I did die scumreading you the dlp game you were scum, and i did correctly townread you in prison and marblelympics (with assist from correctly reading fonti contributions)
Why do you continue to grill rodemy, your townread, like hes your main suspect? Where is that TeNaCiTy in your pushes?
I told you I wasn't sure where it was and ask you to direct me to where you explained your reaction to 864. Now that you've directed me to it I can read and answer. What I gain from this is insight as to your reaction to 864...I didn't understand why that to draw from your phrasing was the straw to break the camels back...I'd seen the reactive Town!Rod plenty before that so that post didn't strike me as anything special.
Why would i not hunt for
youfontis partner?See I don't get the mafia lean unless there's a Tom for each faction...otherwise the Dark Marks are pointless as a mafia!Riddle has no reason to ever hand one out to someone not in their scum team.
You can argue maybe that he's not included in the scum chat so he's aligned but not informed....but the clone thing ****s that up cause it would just pass to someone who is informed and now can just dole out darkmarks to their team. It's way too OPed on scums side then
And with respect to the Nagini thing, in as much as you have this idea because Nagini is flavorfully connected to Voldemort, I would point out that the role says it goes randomly to someone of the same alignment. So unless you think our mod. is lying about that, do you even have a reason for this theory?
@axel
I think youre not main-team scum, if such exists this game...
Beyond that, youre not town and im going to speculate
Nagini/ a horcrux is the best flavor for what youre claiming. Its connected to tom riddle.
That feels like more than enough connection
Wouldnt touch today: lagoon, kpaca, fuwa
Only with a compelling reason: joe, rhand
Trying to rank the remaining poe feels like a crapshoot in this setup
At least for now
Yeet em all
@tom: That's also what most other people would say. Also, we should leave hunting the neutrals to scum. They're a threat to the mafia more than they are to town. Don't sidetrack the game hunting for a serial killer when there's very likely a whole mafia team exisiting. Speculating is one thing but when you pull people onto a tangent with you that's a whole other thing.
Axel: I wonder: would claiming your flavor name make your target too obvious? I still have *a concern* sbout you and I'm like it eased.
@Ter: I think he did know he was mafia. The rest of that role would likely include a link to a chat, which isn't revealred in flips usually.
What did he claim?
Ok then refer to the rest of what I was saying. Why the darkmarks then? Town would never get the upgrade in this scenario
The role is a vanilla-izer too. It makes no sense to have that on the scumteam. Wisp was town.
Axel claimed some variant of Guardian Angel I believe.
Who do you think is scum on the above mentioned wagon? Obviously, not counting Fulcrum.
*blink* Wut. May I ask why this is your question?
Maybe last was town tom riddle and theres a mafia voldemort
Maybe axel is nagini or quirrel and is a tom riddle/counts as a tom riddle towards parity
Maybe last (or someone else) was a neutral tom riddle and when he died his tom riddle-ness randed between axel and fontis partner
Maybe last was mafia tom riddle and a new mafia has it now. Still probably has to be another somewhere
Also how many wincons does this game have? Weve seen 3 and had a 4th claimed and we dont even have a mafia flip...
I dont really think "tom riddle" is a traditional team so much as something ****y to be aware of though
None of this may matter for ~awhile, and i dont think there can be more than 3. Its not gonna be easy to find tom riddles on behavior if that becomes necessary... but theres some mechanical basis
I’m trying to wrap my head around that. It doesn’t make sense on any team, neutral the least of all.
Multiple tom riddles across alignments from the start is ridiculous because that means tom riddle is always alive at the end.
That does work with "tom riddle" being a modifier rather than an alignment...
Last being in our first round of flips is prolly not doing us any favors rn
I asked you earlier about your top town reads, I’d like them when you get a chance.
@Tom
The only way Tom Riddle makes sense is if there’s multiples, or at the very least a way to make more. The win condition makes no sense otherwise. There is no possible game state for one player to be left alive? If Wisp was mafia, they would win in F2 before Riddle triggered?
@Rod
Tell me about one of your reads, let’s get you back in this *****.
I took it as a bulletproof vest or something. I guess it’s not clear, but an upgrade would have to be good/beneficial? Osie’s not a monster.
It’s probably a town ability, seems the best gameplay wise. Town has to guess if it’s going to town or scum, scum would just keep it to themselves.
I was leaning Last as town, the ability seems town. Longwindedly agree with Terraine on not seeing a mafia lean based on the wording, some gameplay assumptions and my lean on Last.
I agree with this statement we are getting way too sidetracked by what ifs about this, when our focus should be hunting scum if Riddle is connected to that great, but not something to spend the whole day phase on.
This is me going back to my issue eod 1 where she voted Konan even though being anti it before hand.
I also do not like Rod that much atm, his responses today and end of day yesterday just show a lack of intrest and I agree with Sloth's points on him which has also increased my townread of Sloth a tiny bit.
I still have no intrest of an Axel lynch atm.
@Jackrito I wouldn't say I was anti it. I just don't 100% believe she was mafia. My vote was there to end it, since discussion was already revolving around her and potentially not going anywhere else. Plus, it was already nearing deadline so I don't think it was wrong to want a lynch then.
At the end of it, I decided to sheep my townread: fulcrum.
I don't think people talking about fulcrum's partner is necessarily bad, since that's the current lead we have. Or talking about Tom Riddle. We are potentially dealing with 3 neutrals faction here (including axel if he can count as a faction).
@WMU why exactly are you townreading me? I get you refer to meta, but that seems fairly easy to hide behind.
So you think there’s a mechanic that makes mafia lose their roles as they get lynched?
A) I don’t believe you believe Occam points that way
B) You never trust your skill in setup gaming and now that we’re in a bastard game you’re gonna do it?
I don’t buy this.
vote KillJoy
@tubba: I am not at all caught up.
Rodemy: he wouldn’t have backtracked on his gambit as mafia.
Kpaca: he’s asking the right questions. Sadly in his typical Kpaca way where he doesn’t share what the answers do to his reads. Town for sure if terry is mafia.
gooLagoon: gutread.