Id say you were top town and you didn’t die. Hmmmm
i'd posit that most people weren't anywhere near as low on fonti as you were. i personally had last night's death prediction at like 60/40 fonti/myself, just because i think she was generally a louder/more confident voice than i was and there wasn't a ton that distinguished us in the actual reads department
I think Fulcrum was the NK and Wisp was killed by the second SK.
I don’t know why everyone seems to think the second SK has even Night KP when Fulcrum’s target dies delayed.
I don't understand that statement. How does font's odd-Night poison being delayed mean her partner can't have an even-Night KP?
Ah crap forgot that one, apologies.
...I can see it if someone is from a third party faction, and they for some reason thought ZDS was a maf, or dangerous role that needing offing immediately. Which admittedly does not make much sense here since it was D1 and I personally did not notice a whole lot that would induce that thought from ZDS's play.
I can also see it if someone aimed a kill and it was redirected. I don't actually know what flavor of redirect and if the killer would be notified.
I could probably go down a couple rabbit holes and see it being a random shot that no one controlled for whatever reason, a reflect-style function of another role (which is technically a redirect but still an odd one), "Voldemort gets bored/Nagini gets hungry and offs a player a night based on actions taken", some kind of false death mechanic, etc. These are closer to wormholes than rabbit holes though.
I like the genuine-seeming, free-flowing thought on this and Trisscar's previous post, so I'll like him for now.
Triss, the redirector/reflector wormhole could potentially be a thing, except that Jack admitted to killing Dork and unless he's lying to us (why?) his target was always intended as Dork. Until we have more solid reason to believe this, I would just put that idea in the backburner.
Scum is unlikely to hit Dork based on possibility of WE (wrongful execution; trying out a few things to swap for ML), 3P are unlikely unless townsiding or rolehunting (unlikely for the latter, and why not just let him get hung if so?) Which leaves Jack being town!vig or townsided SK as the most likely answer.
Barring tinfoil, that is.
i think everyone except rod and tubba has checked in
which means it's either one of them or it's a dead person (or someone's sandbagging, but hopefully not)
personally i'm guessing fonti was aiming villagers with it and either it's rod or it was wisp
Is the bolded a gut feel or do you have actual reason to believe it?
tbh, I was half-thinking that her target was most likely Dork, for scumreading reasons.
it's mostly just me thinking that fonti had no real reason to townside with her nk, given that i'm guessing she probably also assumed that she was a likely scum nk target. would say that if you're an sk in that position you want to make sure that at least someone on the village dies
that said, i think everyone's checked in except tubba? and nobody's claimed poisoned. so it's either tubba, for... some reason, or it's on a dead person (again, my money's on wisp, because i don't think fonti would townside and poison ZDS), or someone's sandbagging their claim, which i would prefer they stop doing if so
i suppose assuming the poison's on wisp requires me to believe that scum have two nks (or that there's another separate sk faction, but like... come on), because otherwise fonti obviously never poisons her partner's kill target or whatever
i think scum having 2 nks is perfectly plausible so this feels like a fine assumption aorn
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i suppose assuming the poison's on wisp requires me to believe that scum have two nks (or that there's another separate sk faction, but like... come on), because otherwise fonti obviously never poisons her partner's kill target or whatever
i think scum having 2 nks is perfectly plausible so this feels like a fine assumption aorn
Man was I the only one scum reading fulcrum? I couldn’t be.
Lasts death puzzles me a bit.
Concidering we only know one other person who’s alignment won’t be revealed, we can assume axlerod was claiming Tom riddle has to survive. Thus being an angel. so we know he is probably on last’s team, and is not town. I think there is a 4th alignment.
so axle should probably die concidering our win condition.
but I think last was a town vig kill.
zds dies. Carrow faction kill???
As does fulcrum. Probably most likely the mafia kill.
Those are my thoughts on the night.
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fonti being part of an sk duo is. something. dunno if they have a standard nk or not, given the odd-night poison
mad at myself for not playing the game more saturday night. definitely was gutreading konan town off her emotional responses to pushes on her but didn't have time to defend her before the hammer. annoying.
this setup is wack
hey how do you know it’s a duo?????
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fonti being part of an sk duo is. something. dunno if they have a standard nk or not, given the odd-night poison
mad at myself for not playing the game more saturday night. definitely was gutreading konan town off her emotional responses to pushes on her but didn't have time to defend her before the hammer. annoying.
The push on me is beyond lazy, think Sloth is the worst of them. Pretty confident Amy is just wrong town.
I went into my Fulcrum read. Last was town because they wouldn’t have town read me as scum, and they didn’t take opportunistic shots to bury anyone.
Konan looked bad, with the whole Tom thing and ending up on Tom in spite of it looked super scummy. Sloth claims he’s toning it down this game, but the solving is nonexistent and just feels like he’s playing a reactive game. Amy was just behind Fulcrum for me and for similar reasons. They feel like they’re in the driver’s seat for Town. Poison looked scummy by dint of doing nothing, Rhand is posting more but I’m still waiting for something there, particularly your town reads?ZDS had poor cases, the Rod push stands out as particularly silly to me. Just felt like posts that constantly circled a topic instead of going in at it. The null group was pretty self explanatory, but with the amount of action, things will start to resolve one way or the other with them. Same goes with the forgettables.
Townsfolk, if I’m being read for having consensus reads, look at who isn’t for sharing those reads. Somebody shoving on me is scum.
It’s my country’s birthday, and I will be continuing to day drink and set things on fire. I will check in when I can but my lucidity/ambition may be waning.
That said, I should be able to take some questions.
@Rod
Amy not being dead Day 2 means nothing, especially with Fulcrum dying Night 1. Get out of here with that weak *****. If you’re Town I need to see savant solving Rod, not Jackson Pollock Rod.
Man was I the only one scum reading fulcrum? I couldn’t be.
Lasts death puzzles me a bit.
Concidering we only know one other person who’s alignment won’t be revealed, we can assume axlerod was claiming Tom riddle has to survive. Thus being an angel. so we know he is probably on last’s team, and is not town. I think there is a 4th alignment.
so axle should probably die concidering our win condition.
but I think last was a town vig kill.
zds dies. Carrow faction kill???
As does fulcrum. Probably most likely the mafia kill.
Those are my thoughts on the night.
jackrito hardclaimed town vigilante and hardclaimed the ZDS shot
fonti being part of an sk duo is. something. dunno if they have a standard nk or not, given the odd-night poison
mad at myself for not playing the game more saturday night. definitely was gutreading konan town off her emotional responses to pushes on her but didn't have time to defend her before the hammer. annoying.
fonti being part of an sk duo is. something. dunno if they have a standard nk or not, given the odd-night poison
mad at myself for not playing the game more saturday night. definitely was gutreading konan town off her emotional responses to pushes on her but didn't have time to defend her before the hammer. annoying.
this setup is wack
hey how do you know it’s a duo?????
The carrows are siblings. They’re a pair.
ah. That exceeds the limits of my Harry Potter knowledge.
Tubba, hi. Missed you.
I’m pro axle-death
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I'm going to claim since it is semi important to current events I shot ZDS last night.
okay. So who the **** killed whisp. Jack town vig vibes indeed, Tom.
like i said, think it was likely a second scum kill
i think it's unlikely that the carrows had double odd-night kp, even if the poison is delayed. think odd/even poison cycle is more likely
scum killing wisp makes sense in the sense that he was starting to be fairly townread by the end of the day and was top poster. his reads were pretty against the grain so... maybe there's something to that? plus the potential double riddle thing
or hell maybe scum just wanted us to be paranoid knowing that wisp's alignment wouldn't flip
also to clarify i think this is a second scum kill, yes. fonti is a scumkill in 99.9% of worlds.
im still reading and phone posting on low batteries. But WTF!? To both the blood bath and flips as well as this post. Die scum
This strong reaction comes from which part of the post, Jerry?
Ok, I'm on my laptop now. I'm still not all the way caught up, but after the Konan flip, I was bent on ZDS certainly being scum because of the speed in which the Konan counter wagon formed. I fully intended on going this route today and picking through the Konan counter voters and trying to read intentions on votes. That being said, this is the statement I had an issue with:
"I wish to read a little in who pushed ZDS. That push was scum orchestrated for sure."
First, it reads to me like two distinct opinions. The first sentence reads, like "maybe I'll look into, it might be a thing", the second reads like, "That was definitely for sure pushed by scum!" Being that I was one of the main pushers of ZDS and I planned on doing it again today, and I know I'm not scum, this raised some alarms for me. It just resonates as a weak approach to fake scum hunting. Like, "Oh, look at the town flip! Let's try to lynch people on that wagon!", but why not the actual wagon on Konan who also flipped town after being lynched? It kind of blows my mind that the ZDS wagonis what WMU wants to push instead of the Konan lynch. For crying out loud, it is very likely that Jack is a town vig and took the exact same shot I would have, so how does that line up with ZDS being a scum push, when the most likely scenario was that he was killed by a town vig? I still need to unwrap everything, but this is my knee jerk reaction explained.
All of this makes sense and it's perfectly reasonable...in a world where Dork didn't flip and is now conf!town.
We have confirmation that yesterday it was t/t wagons duking it out - and while I have seen instances where one of these were entirely town-composed (meaning no scum pushed/voted on them), I haven't seen anything that would make me think that this is absolutely the case here.
What I'm trying to say here is that you seem to be opposed to looking at the Dork wagon (and no one said not to look at the Konan wagon) for no validly explained reason. Let me be clear too: It could not matter less, as far as wagon formation goes, who got exec'd D1 and who got killed off N1. Both flipped town, neither specifically arose as a result of the other, rather independently.
All we know for sure about Konan over Dork is that it was started by a now-confirmed 3p.
Also what's with the bolded? That's like super self-conscious nonsense - you think looking into Dork immediately means you will get wagoned and are overreacting to that? Am I reading it right?
so.. I’m confused why you aren’t just saying terry, the only person here on zds EOD. Before that was me and goo. So like. Who the **** are you actually looking at?
Rod continues to be his Town self.
Did anyone think that Last had a valid point re: Rod's lazy/not-trying performance, and if so can you comment on it? I don't want to dismiss it but I'm not seeing it as of this post. Anyone else?
(1)Man was I the only one scum reading fulcrum? I couldn’t be.
(2)Lasts death puzzles me a bit.
Concidering we only know one other person who’s alignment won’t be revealed, we can assume axlerod was claiming Tom riddle has to survive. Thus being an angel. so we know he is probably on last’s team, and is not town. I think there is a 4th alignment.
so axle should probably die considering our win condition.
(3)but I think last was a town vig kill.
zds dies. Carrow faction kill???
As does fulcrum. Probably most likely the mafia kill.
Those are my thoughts on the night.
(1) I'm pretty sure you were, can't think of anyone else off the top of my head.
(2) Run this by me again? Why does being flipless mean that they are Axel's protection target? Am I understanding you correctly?
4th alignment meaning Town | Scum | 3p | 4p
(3) So you think Jack's scum or 3p?
...it was at this point of the post that I realized the premise here is that you havent read the start of Day...or any of our posts? That...doesn't sound like you.
...Dude read the soD post.
I'm seriously of two-minds in trying to decide if I think Rod actually makes this mistake or if this is him trying to act up kooky!Rodemy. This seems a little much.
The logic of the cw as scum orchestrated is because mafia
ZDS wasn't a counter wagon pushed to rival Konan's though. He was being wagoned by VC 1.7 when no one was even looking crossed eyed at Shadow/eventually Konan. So your logic that it was orchestrated by scum to avoid suspicion of being part of the konan mislynch falls apart.
Dork/Konan were t/t wagon.
Pretty sure you'd want more than one wagon to avoid suspicion in general.
In addition Konan came after Dork, and was led by a non-scum player.
None of this means we should not be looking at Dork wagon with the Konan wagon.
Btw, what are your thoughts on #2040? Does it affect your read of me at all? I see you're not voting me.
the one where you said my method of reading you is bad when im 3 for 4 reading you correctly and the one time i was wrong was a read on the person you replaced?
I think youre scum but not with fonti
Wow.
I think I want to see if you can actually explain some things.
First the second half:
Why is finding fonti's partner (who you know isn't scum) more of a priority to you than exec'ing scum?
Do you feel stronger about KJ being her partner than about me being scum? 'Cause it really doesn't seem like you do.
And then the first half:
Am I misremembering something? 3 for 4?
You weren't sure of me on dlp mountainous. You were scum in MCU so that doesn't matter. Were you townreading my slot in Marblelympics? I didn't think so, but I admit I may have forgotten since there were so many conflicting opinions per slot. Prison, sure, that's one for you. And then there's Matter, which no. What 4?
Also, on Matter specifically, here are some posts of you scumreading me which are irrefutably centered on me and basketball, not on who I replaced:
Damn getting blamed for a lynch i didnt want. Crazy.
Consistency/inconsistency is rarely AI imo
For sloth, that definitely ties into my basketball analogy. His way of interacting with the thread is much showier and hollower. Hes shooting long 2s and getting lost in transition
Think hes scum
We were talking about NBA analogies for players in dlp spec chat. I came up with <tenacious defender patrick beverly> for townsloth and looking at his iso here i cant see any better than <michael kidd-gilchrist whos apparently on the mavericks now?>
For sloth, that definitely ties into my basketball analogy. His way of interacting with the thread is much showier and hollower. Hes shooting long 2s and getting lost in transition
Think hes scum
How can a man that just called me boo insult me like this? Is romance truly dead? :heartbreak emoji:
Also, for the last time, I really don't know basketball: what does "shooting long 2s" and "gettling lost in transition" mean?
luckily this post is more for grape/whatever than you, but here you go
Townsloth from prison: Patrick Beverley is known for his tenacious defense and making himself an asset when he doesnt have the ball on offense, via movement etc. Hes not necessarily about scoring a lot of points, but when he does shoot its usually a high ROI shot (3 pointers and near the basket)
So when i say youre getting lost in transition, it means you play offense but then when the other team gets the ball you dont snap into that defense. In prison, even as your case on me was objectively bad i still felt smothered. Now youre someone halfheartedly waving a hand at a shooter that already got where he wanted
When you are taking a shot it feels lazy and low-percentage (aka a long 2. Same points as a dunk only from way further, or about as difficult as a 3 pointer but low reward.)
im actually thinking of you pushing people as the defense in this scenario.
But do you mean your unexplained "hot take" that axel is scum?
I will never understand sports.
I think you mean "lazily but efficiently explained "hot take" that axel is scum", thank you very much.
so why are you asking why i think its lazy?
Because the question wasn't how my case was lazy, but how me choosing to go after Axel, right off the bat, with little voiced reasons, fully admitting I had barely glanced at the first 20+ pages of the game, and with full knowledge that I would be raining attention and scrutiny down on me by doing so (which...didn't happen? lolwhat?), could be lazy.
oh
Then the answer is because its factually lazy
...
The metaphor is how it felt to be pushed by you.
You are giving axel no more than a light breeze
I dont really have an opinion on jacks tone, changing or otherwise.
His exposition continues to be pretty far from his actions. Especially wrt umami and itf.
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Sloth read sorta comes from the differences i saw between prison block and the dlp mountainous.
I keep thinking about him in terms of the basketball analogy (you may have missed it i called him old carmelo anthony earlier) but what it comes down to is he feels way more like the scum game
@tom why would you think it's scummy from me? ("it can be all 3 tbh")
Like you've seen me play both alignments. When have I ever not cared?
the game where you were scum and then again here...
...how are you defining care? I tried hard that game. I came up with reads, was active, got other players mislynched, fought like hell against my lynch. I am not a lazy nor inactive player by nature.
you should perhaps keep in mind i read ~nothing after yall killed me if you stopped sucking at some point
But there are leagues of difference between <here and that game> vs <prison and mcu>
Same question for you? Like, Day ended with no vote from you.
I know you wanted to finish your analysis before doing so, but that was 4 days ago and even I got a vote in. Who would you have voted for?
if you are town im exceptionally disappointed in you rn
Cant really figure out whos bussing before figuring out whos scum...
If sloth is scum i think theres a partner or two on him regardless of his role. Dudes not playing and always dying in the next few days, theres little reason not to bus
If hes town... sucks to suck i guess.
Towards lynching the roleblocker...
Thats why kj isnt an option today
Beyond that no further info
I stopped at 10, figured that was enough, but I assume there were more.
I actually don't think you had much of an opinion on Mp7 before I came in.
So that whole statement is what we call a lie, isn't it? Like, there's no way you misrepresented what happened this badly by accident.
And now the thing I say when I start circling in on a player: Ya wolfin', bro?
The push on me is beyond lazy, think Sloth is the worst of them. Pretty confident Amy is just wrong town.
I went into my Fulcrum read. Last was town because they wouldn’t have town read me as scum, and they didn’t take opportunistic shots to bury anyone.
Konan looked bad, with the whole Tom thing and ending up on Tom in spite of it looked super scummy. Sloth claims he’s toning it down this game, but the solving is nonexistent and just feels like he’s playing a reactive game. Amy was just behind Fulcrum for me and for similar reasons. They feel like they’re in the driver’s seat for Town. Poison looked scummy by dint of doing nothing, Rhand is posting more but I’m still waiting for something there, particularly your town reads?ZDS had poor cases, the Rod push stands out as particularly silly to me. Just felt like posts that constantly circled a topic instead of going in at it. The null group was pretty self explanatory, but with the amount of action, things will start to resolve one way or the other with them. Same goes with the forgettables.
Townsfolk, if I’m being read for having consensus reads, look at who isn’t for sharing those reads. Somebody shoving on me is scum.
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Re: Last: Why would he need to take opportunistic shots? It was t/t contended wagons. Why does he need to lead/stand when it's being done for him.
Can someone do me a favour and quote the reactions on Konan’s post where he doesn’t like the push on tom’s gimmick?
I know I didn’t like fulcrum for it and that tom himself reacted badly, but I can’t remember who else reacted like that and I’m sure there’s scum there. That post was townie and I regret not being around to defend that. The next time I came on he was lynched.
@Sloth: I am NOT opposed to looking at the ZDS wagon, what I'm opposed too was that the Konan wagon was being ignored and WMU was skipping right over to the ZDS wagon, which is opposite of what I think should be the town-mindset. With ZDS flipping town, WMU's comment seemed stink of scum trying to push another mislynch most likely because there weren't scum on the ZDS wagon and there was on the Konan wagon.
With the exception of Fulcrum, this looks like a pretty town wagon to me. I'm not sure about Tom, but everyone else has looked pretty good to me and despite being a third party Fulcrum was playing +town which most likely earned them a scum N1 kill. This stood out to me because I was most likely the person WMU was going to start pushing. See WMU post #2091 to emphasize that opinion. So defensive? Yes a little. Is it scummy to be defensive when you see ill-intent towards you? No.
Would Lastwhisper even use the Dark Mark on someone else, or keep it for himself? If he upgraded someone, it would've had to have been someone he trusted.
that said, i think everyone's checked in except tubba? and nobody's claimed poisoned. so it's either tubba, for... some reason, or it's on a dead person (again, my money's on wisp, because i don't think fonti would townside and poison ZDS), or someone's sandbagging their claim, which i would prefer they stop doing if so
Also a possibility that Fulcrum could have just been role-blocked.
Concidering we only know one other person who’s alignment won’t be revealed, we can assume axlerod was claiming Tom riddle has to survive. Thus being an angel. so we know he is probably on last’s team, and is not town. I think there is a 4th alignment.
so axle should probably die concidering our win condition.
I have no idea what you are even speculating here.
I just remembered though the part about Last telling us in his first post that his alignment wasn't going to be revealed on death, but assuring us he was Town. In hindsight, that does make it more likely to me that (at least this) Tom Riddle was Town, and the new Tom Riddle is therefore also Town, and should definitely not be claiming it.
also i think it was tom(?) that had a theory that there's a tom riddle on each alignment
which could point to scum knowing to kill wisp given that, in hindsight, he pretty blatantly claimed riddle in-thread if you knew what to look for
I'm trying to work my way through the possibility of dueling Town/Mafia Tom Riddle roles. Meaning that the "Town" Tom Riddle would be able to win with the Mafia if the "Mafia" Tom Riddle was the last one? Basically, would this just be an alt. if they were the last two standing, period?
The role as written does seem to make it more plausible that the scum could have a "Dark Mark" granter as well though. Because it's designed such that there's some redundancy in case of early death and there's some incentive to not give out the Dark Marks at all.
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The logic of the cw as scum orchestrated is because mafia
ZDS wasn't a counter wagon pushed to rival Konan's though. He was being wagoned by VC 1.7 when no one was even looking crossed eyed at Shadow/eventually Konan. So your logic that it was orchestrated by scum to avoid suspicion of being part of the konan mislynch falls apart.
Dork/Konan were t/t wagon.
Pretty sure you'd want more than one wagon to avoid suspicion in general.
In addition Konan came after Dork, and was led by a non-scum player.
None of this means we should not be looking at Dork wagon with the Konan wagon.
k? Never suggested we shouldn't look at it. I am pointing out the holes in WMU's reasoning and the incorrect logic behind it.
...Dude read the soD post.
I'm seriously of two-minds in trying to decide if I think Rod actually makes this mistake or if this is him trying to act up kooky!Rodemy. This seems a little much.
....like five separate players had to tell him to read the flips multiple times a piece in prison D3.
Part of me wants to peer at you suspiciously you don't recall this but it was after you were NKed so maybe you didn't read that whole stroke inducing exchange.
@sloth: Me not knowing there were only 2 carrows isn’t exactly kooky? Like I skimmed through to see who died, what their roles were, and moved on. Nowhere in the info I looked at had a 2 person sk duo. Now.
It is known that I don’t read all of the info the first time. So saying how it’s not like me to...not read all the posts. And then Try and see if it is just town me or scum me for... not reading all the posts.
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The push on me is beyond lazy, think Sloth is the worst of them. Pretty confident Amy is just wrong town.
I went into my Fulcrum read. Last was town because they wouldn’t have town read me as scum, and they didn’t take opportunistic shots to bury anyone.
Konan looked bad, with the whole Tom thing and ending up on Tom in spite of it looked super scummy. Sloth claims he’s toning it down this game, but the solving is nonexistent and just feels like he’s playing a reactive game. Amy was just behind Fulcrum for me and for similar reasons. They feel like they’re in the driver’s seat for Town. Poison looked scummy by dint of doing nothing, Rhand is posting more but I’m still waiting for something there, particularly your town reads?ZDS had poor cases, the Rod push stands out as particularly silly to me. Just felt like posts that constantly circled a topic instead of going in at it. The null group was pretty self explanatory, but with the amount of action, things will start to resolve one way or the other with them. Same goes with the forgettables.
Townsfolk, if I’m being read for having consensus reads, look at who isn’t for sharing those reads. Somebody shoving on me is scum.
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Re: Last: Why would he need to take opportunistic shots? It was t/t contended wagons. Why does he need to lead/stand when it's being done for him.
Assuming you weren't poisoned?
Playing reactively is scummy because you can hide your alignment easier. You can push with the flow, and can avoid making statements that are hard to walk back from. I should clarify that I don’t think all reactive playing is scummy, it can serve a purpose for both alignments. It feels like you are using it to hide your bright shining self, as opposed to trying to trap a scum read.
I will concede your point on Last, I didn’t think about it like that. I just saw them keeping their reads fluid but not in a “looking for a place to happen” kind of way.
I am having fun, and I have avoided poisoning, alcohol and otherwise.
@Sloth: I am NOT opposed to looking at the ZDS wagon, what I'm opposed too was that the Konan wagon was being ignored and WMU was skipping right over to the ZDS wagon, which is opposite of what I think should be the town-mindset. With ZDS flipping town, WMU's comment seemed stink of scum trying to push another mislynch most likely because there weren't scum on the ZDS wagon and there was on the Konan wagon.
With the exception of Fulcrum, this looks like a pretty town wagon to me. I'm not sure about Tom, but everyone else has looked pretty good to me and despite being a third party Fulcrum was playing +town which most likely earned them a scum N1 kill. This stood out to me because I was most likely the person WMU was going to start pushing. See WMU post #2091 to emphasize that opinion. So defensive? Yes a little. Is it scummy to be defensive when you see ill-intent towards you? No.
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That's the thing though, and I said it already: No one said anything about not looking at the Konan wagon, not Wake, nor anyone else. That's the conclusion you seized upon on your own with no valid reasoning for it, and it is hyper-defensive.
Why do you say Dork's wagon most likely didn't have scum? Is there a reason you think the Dork wagon's entirely composed of town beyond Wake's focus on it?
Why is Lagoon town for you again?
#2091 came after your whole "he's going to push me" bit, but I guess I can see where you might have thought that...if I squint. Whether that was his intention, it's still a very defensive and asymmetrical response.
Would Lastwhisper even use the Dark Mark on someone else, or keep it for himself? If he upgraded someone, it would've had to have been someone he trusted.
The logic of the cw as scum orchestrated is because mafia
ZDS wasn't a counter wagon pushed to rival Konan's though. He was being wagoned by VC 1.7 when no one was even looking crossed eyed at Shadow/eventually Konan. So your logic that it was orchestrated by scum to avoid suspicion of being part of the konan mislynch falls apart.
Dork/Konan were t/t wagon.
Pretty sure you'd want more than one wagon to avoid suspicion in general.
In addition Konan came after Dork, and was led by a non-scum player.
None of this means we should not be looking at Dork wagon with the Konan wagon.
k? Never suggested we shouldn't look at it. I am pointing out the holes in WMU's reasoning and the incorrect logic behind it.
What I'm saying is that whether the Dork wagon was created to counter Konan or viceversa or not at all is irrelevant to whether either was orchestrated by scum - and in fact we know one definitely wasn't (again, Font wasn't scum, though I believe some who followed her are), so there's a >rand chance the the other was.
Your point was, it seemed, to counter the validity of looking into Dork's wagon per Wake's logic (otherwise why bring this up at all? I don't know what you were achieving)
Speaking of achieving, you asked me about my Rod read late D1. Why? And what did you gain from the answer?
@sloth: Me not knowing there were only 2 carrows isn’t exactly kooky? Like I skimmed through to see who died, what their roles were, and moved on. Nowhere in the info I looked at had a 2 person sk duo. Now.
It is known that I don’t read all of the info the first time. So saying how it’s not like me to...not read all the posts. And then Try and see if it is just town me or scum me for... not reading all the posts.
Oh yeah I didn’t read the flavor text at all. I actually rarely read flavor text tbh.
Yeah, I'd normally roll my eyes and move on at you doing this, honestly.
Maybe I have too much faith in you, because:
D1: "I'm trying to be better at this game! I'm playing different because I'm making an effort."
D2: "It's known that I don't do reading. And you shouldn't expect me to or read me for it."
Is this what making an effort to be better looks like to you, Rod? Because it looks to me that you defaulted back to kookiness on d2 and are expecting to be townread for it.
D1 had that effort, but it appears to have become too much effort, and that would be more likely to happen when it comes to keeping up pretense than when actually believing what you're saying/doing. D2 is...limp.
The push on me is beyond lazy, think Sloth is the worst of them. Pretty confident Amy is just wrong town.
I went into my Fulcrum read. Last was town because they wouldn’t have town read me as scum, and they didn’t take opportunistic shots to bury anyone.
Konan looked bad, with the whole Tom thing and ending up on Tom in spite of it looked super scummy. Sloth claims he’s toning it down this game, but the solving is nonexistent and just feels like he’s playing a reactive game. Amy was just behind Fulcrum for me and for similar reasons. They feel like they’re in the driver’s seat for Town. Poison looked scummy by dint of doing nothing, Rhand is posting more but I’m still waiting for something there, particularly your town reads?ZDS had poor cases, the Rod push stands out as particularly silly to me. Just felt like posts that constantly circled a topic instead of going in at it. The null group was pretty self explanatory, but with the amount of action, things will start to resolve one way or the other with them. Same goes with the forgettables.
Townsfolk, if I’m being read for having consensus reads, look at who isn’t for sharing those reads. Somebody shoving on me is scum.
Have fun!
When you come back, finish this sentence "playing reactively is scummy because ___________________"
Re: Last: Why would he need to take opportunistic shots? It was t/t contended wagons. Why does he need to lead/stand when it's being done for him.
Assuming you weren't poisoned?
Playing reactively is scummy because you can hide your alignment easier. You can push with the flow, and can avoid making statements that are hard to walk back from. I should clarify that I don’t think all reactive playing is scummy, it can serve a purpose for both alignments. It feels like you are using it to hide your bright shining self, as opposed to trying to trap a scum read.
I will concede your point on Last, I didn’t think about it like that. I just saw them keeping their reads fluid but not in a “looking for a place to happen” kind of way.
I am having fun, and I have avoided poisoning, alcohol and otherwise.
I agree with the potential scumminess in reactive playing, and in your conclusion that it's not necessarily scummy, simply can be.
I agree that I'm going with the flow this time around (enjoying it!), however I can think of several hard stances I've taken, one of them I'm taking right now. Disagree? If so, why?
Glad you're having fun. Hm.
Well either someone's lying or font def targeted Dork/Last.
A) No mafia at all, a bunch of neutrals are the anti-town faction, but they're seperate and not likely allied with each other
B)Smaller mafia, plus a duo SK thing in the Carrows. I'm leaning this way because of the way Last's role was worded: I think he's mafia. Specifically he reminds me of a Town of Salem Godfather (in TOS only the Godfather can kill, then when he dies it gets passed down to another member, replacing their role).
Also last's role doesn't actually have the town wincon, and it's talk of passing itself down makes me lean Mafia instead of neutral. I don't see it making sense if it passed, say, to fulcrum if she was still alive.
I interpret Last's wincon btw as: if he is the last person alive, EVERYONE LOSES but him. It's kinda like a Mafia Traitor or something like Proph was in that one game.
I'm suspicous of tom a bit given he's spending so much time hunting for fulcrum's partner. He's started a wagon in that vein, but he's the only one obviously voting me for being fulcrum's supposed partner. When I eventually claim I believe I'll dissuade that notion I think. Amy: Why is tom a villager behaviorally? IDK if you've already said.
Sloth, Rod: Why am I scum? Am I a wolf, or am I fulcrum's partner and why?
Ok time to read up on Last to see if there's anything there about who his partners might be.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Wake can you or can you not build an actual case against JoeTerry or is your vote strictly because he scum reads you? It's a simple question.
i can Iso him. idrc about the fact he scum reads me, the thing was him calling me scum (telling me "die scum") and not voting.
This is scum behaviour, waiting and see thread's answer and all, townies usually put the vote where they head is. Based on that i'd say Terry is like 70% scum. Maybe the Iso will make it clear for me and i will share it here.
Oh yeah I didn’t read the flavor text at all. I actually rarely read flavor text tbh.
Stop that.
Word of Mod is flavor is MOSTLY random ergo it is partially not random.
Read the flips in full. They're a few sentences...not The Iliad
look, like I said, I looked at their flip, role, and that’s it. Flavor text has never held pertinent info before in my experience, so forgive me if I skimmed it. Sloth, I never said you shouldn’t expect me to read, so don’t put those words on my mouth.
I said YOU were holding me to two standards in the same post. One saying you’ve never seen me not read, and in the very next making not reading my meta.
So which is it?
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Of note is that, if I'm reading Wake's response to Ter correctly, he's kind of doing the same thing as Joe seems to be: Seizing on one thing on its own without having much else going for it.
Joe with 'look at dork wagon must be scum', Wake with 'die scum without vote must be scum'.
Not sure if that means anything, but I wanted it in the thread to discuss.
In Wake's case, he's not coming across as defensive to me, and is not voting joe, which ~eh.
I look forward to the day one of these young men will have more substance and less theater.
@KJ: I've already kind of gone over it before, but there's a difference between not being against your votes and scumreading you. I'll go over you again when I have more time/inclination.
I also never said anything about being font's partner? That was tom.
Why don't you care why Wake's scumreading you? He's the one voting you.
look, like I said, I looked at their flip, role, and that’s it. Flavor text has never held pertinent info before in my experience, so forgive me if I skimmed it. Sloth, I never said you shouldn’t expect me to read, so don’t put those words on my mouth.
I literally quoted and bolded two posts where you say that, Rod, so I'm not putting anything in your mouth (that's what she said!)
Phrases like "It is known that I don’t read all of the info the first time" have that implication and not a lot of room for alternative interpretations.
I said YOU were holding me to two standards in the same post. One saying you’ve never seen me not read, and in the very next making not reading my meta.
So which is it?
I have no idea what you're talking about here?
But I'm going to say reread #2036. I make "the standard I'm holding you to" very clear there.
Your point was, it seemed, to counter the validity of looking into Dork's wagon per Wake's logic (otherwise why bring this up at all? I don't know what you were achieving)
…are you serious with this question?
Because a good case can’t be built on a *****ty foundation. Even if WMU’s push eventually weeds out scum it still begins with a false premise/lie by claiming ZDS was a counter weapon started by scum to provide a shelter for votes against a town flipping konan. It adds bias and doubt that scum can USE later to turn it around.
If WMU is Town than starting out thinking a completely incorrect train of events occurred is going to create bias in what’s she’s reading. If WMU is scum she makes it so she can do allllll this busywork and appear to be town and scum hunting…that gets turned into an “oops” when this comes up later.
What I’m trying to achieve is not wasting time by starting the whole thing off with a blob of reasonable doubt slapped on for scum to argue. None of that says don’t look at wagons. It says don’t look at wagons with this false narrative rattling around in your head.
What do you think the advantages are exactly to beginning a scum hunt with a wrong info?
Sloth, I’m dropping this because it is getting us nowhere. I didnt read the flavor text, Something i’d do as both alignments. Pointing it out and throwing shade does nothing. Saying you are torn between town or scum Rodemy is very fencesitty. Either you think I’m scum for it or you think it doesn’t matter. Obviously you think I could be scum for it which baffles me. I didnt read flavor text, big whoop. I read what I did read and made my opinions on it. Hey look, progress.
So either find some other reason to scumread me or go back and try again?
I’m kinda feeling a scum sloth vibe concidering your fency view on me. Like you wanna our doubt out there but don’t wanna commit to it. On something that Is NAI. Just waiting to jump on someone who agrees
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Wake can you or can you not build an actual case against JoeTerry or is your vote strictly because he scum reads you? It's a simple question.
i can Iso him. idrc about the fact he scum reads me, the thing was him calling me scum (telling me "die scum") and not voting.
This is scum behaviour, waiting and see thread's answer and all, townies usually put the vote where they head is. Based on that i'd say Terry is like 70% scum. Maybe the Iso will make it clear for me and i will share it here.
Yea this does not hold water with me honestly. I have withheld my vote as Town too because I want to see what a player does with pressure BEFORE a vote.
In your case you become hyper defensive with 70% (?!) certainty based on one action and no other game play.
If you told this pinged you and you ISOed him to find out more that would be one thing...but 70% scum certainty because one thing is just over the top.
Not to mention I'm sorry but typing out the html [ ] tags IS a pain in the ass on the phone esp. if its at low battery.
Amy/jack
lagoon/rod/axel
fuwa/kpaca/triss
Joe/rhand/kj
terraine/wmu/tubba/
wispSloth
that said, i think everyone's checked in except tubba? and nobody's claimed poisoned. so it's either tubba, for... some reason, or it's on a dead person (again, my money's on wisp, because i don't think fonti would townside and poison ZDS), or someone's sandbagging their claim, which i would prefer they stop doing if so
i think scum having 2 nks is perfectly plausible so this feels like a fine assumption aorn
I somehow studied / programmed for 8 hours straight today without realising that time went by.
I will get caught up eventually.
Lasts death puzzles me a bit.
Concidering we only know one other person who’s alignment won’t be revealed, we can assume axlerod was claiming Tom riddle has to survive. Thus being an angel. so we know he is probably on last’s team, and is not town. I think there is a 4th alignment.
so axle should probably die concidering our win condition.
but I think last was a town vig kill.
zds dies. Carrow faction kill???
As does fulcrum. Probably most likely the mafia kill.
Those are my thoughts on the night.
hey how do you know it’s a duo?????
The carrows are siblings. They’re a pair.
I went into my Fulcrum read. Last was town because they wouldn’t have town read me as scum, and they didn’t take opportunistic shots to bury anyone.
Konan looked bad, with the whole Tom thing and ending up on Tom in spite of it looked super scummy. Sloth claims he’s toning it down this game, but the solving is nonexistent and just feels like he’s playing a reactive game. Amy was just behind Fulcrum for me and for similar reasons. They feel like they’re in the driver’s seat for Town. Poison looked scummy by dint of doing nothing, Rhand is posting more but I’m still waiting for something there, particularly your town reads?ZDS had poor cases, the Rod push stands out as particularly silly to me. Just felt like posts that constantly circled a topic instead of going in at it. The null group was pretty self explanatory, but with the amount of action, things will start to resolve one way or the other with them. Same goes with the forgettables.
Townsfolk, if I’m being read for having consensus reads, look at who isn’t for sharing those reads. Somebody shoving on me is scum.
It’s my country’s birthday, and I will be continuing to day drink and set things on fire. I will check in when I can but my lucidity/ambition may be waning.
That said, I should be able to take some questions.
@Rod
Amy not being dead Day 2 means nothing, especially with Fulcrum dying Night 1. Get out of here with that weak *****. If you’re Town I need to see savant solving Rod, not Jackson Pollock Rod.
okay. So who the **** killed whisp. Jack town vig vibes indeed, Tom.
which could point to scum knowing to kill wisp given that, in hindsight, he pretty blatantly claimed riddle in-thread if you knew what to look for
i do agree that axelrod looks sketchy as **** in light of the new setup info
ah. That exceeds the limits of my Harry Potter knowledge.
Tubba, hi. Missed you.
I’m pro axle-death
vote Axelrod
i think it's unlikely that the carrows had double odd-night kp, even if the poison is delayed. think odd/even poison cycle is more likely
scum killing wisp makes sense in the sense that he was starting to be fairly townread by the end of the day and was top poster. his reads were pretty against the grain so... maybe there's something to that? plus the potential double riddle thing
or hell maybe scum just wanted us to be paranoid knowing that wisp's alignment wouldn't flip
also to clarify i think this is a second scum kill, yes. fonti is a scumkill in 99.9% of worlds.
[b] unvote [b/] I don’t think the team that gives us the dark mark is a “threat to town”
let’s go with
[b] VOTE KILLJOY [/b]
I think I feel much better about Tom.
vote WMU
Omgus to your hearts content WMU
We have confirmation that yesterday it was t/t wagons duking it out - and while I have seen instances where one of these were entirely town-composed (meaning no scum pushed/voted on them), I haven't seen anything that would make me think that this is absolutely the case here.
What I'm trying to say here is that you seem to be opposed to looking at the Dork wagon (and no one said not to look at the Konan wagon) for no validly explained reason. Let me be clear too: It could not matter less, as far as wagon formation goes, who got exec'd D1 and who got killed off N1. Both flipped town, neither specifically arose as a result of the other, rather independently.
All we know for sure about Konan over Dork is that it was started by a now-confirmed 3p.
Also what's with the bolded? That's like super self-conscious nonsense - you think looking into Dork immediately means you will get wagoned and are overreacting to that? Am I reading it right?
Rod continues to be his Town self.
Did anyone think that Last had a valid point re: Rod's lazy/not-trying performance, and if so can you comment on it? I don't want to dismiss it but I'm not seeing it as of this post. Anyone else? (1) I'm pretty sure you were, can't think of anyone else off the top of my head.
(2) Run this by me again? Why does being flipless mean that they are Axel's protection target? Am I understanding you correctly?
4th alignment meaning Town | Scum | 3p | 4p
(3) So you think Jack's scum or 3p?
...it was at this point of the post that I realized the premise here is that you havent read the start of Day...or any of our posts? That...doesn't sound like you. ...Dude read the soD post.
I'm seriously of two-minds in trying to decide if I think Rod actually makes this mistake or if this is him trying to act up kooky!Rodemy. This seems a little much.
Dork/Konan were t/t wagon.
Pretty sure you'd want more than one wagon to avoid suspicion in general.
In addition Konan came after Dork, and was led by a non-scum player.
None of this means we should not be looking at Dork wagon with the Konan wagon.
What's a PGO?
Wow.
I think I want to see if you can actually explain some things.
First the second half:
Why is finding fonti's partner (who you know isn't scum) more of a priority to you than exec'ing scum?
Do you feel stronger about KJ being her partner than about me being scum? 'Cause it really doesn't seem like you do.
And then the first half:
Am I misremembering something? 3 for 4?
You weren't sure of me on dlp mountainous. You were scum in MCU so that doesn't matter. Were you townreading my slot in Marblelympics? I didn't think so, but I admit I may have forgotten since there were so many conflicting opinions per slot. Prison, sure, that's one for you. And then there's Matter, which no. What 4?
Also, on Matter specifically, here are some posts of you scumreading me which are irrefutably centered on me and basketball, not on who I replaced:
I actually don't think you had much of an opinion on Mp7 before I came in.
So that whole statement is what we call a lie, isn't it? Like, there's no way you misrepresented what happened this badly by accident.
And now the thing I say when I start circling in on a player:
Ya wolfin', bro?
When you come back, finish this sentence "playing reactively is scummy because ___________________"
Re: Last: Why would he need to take opportunistic shots? It was t/t contended wagons. Why does he need to lead/stand when it's being done for him.
Assuming you weren't poisoned?
I know I didn’t like fulcrum for it and that tom himself reacted badly, but I can’t remember who else reacted like that and I’m sure there’s scum there. That post was townie and I regret not being around to defend that. The next time I came on he was lynched.
This was the VC that WMU refers too:
ZeDorkSlipeur (6) - fulcrum, gooLagoon, tomsloger, Rodemy, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Jackrito
With the exception of Fulcrum, this looks like a pretty town wagon to me. I'm not sure about Tom, but everyone else has looked pretty good to me and despite being a third party Fulcrum was playing +town which most likely earned them a scum N1 kill. This stood out to me because I was most likely the person WMU was going to start pushing. See WMU post #2091 to emphasize that opinion. So defensive? Yes a little. Is it scummy to be defensive when you see ill-intent towards you? No.
PGO=Paranoid Gun Owner
I have no idea what you are even speculating here.
I just remembered though the part about Last telling us in his first post that his alignment wasn't going to be revealed on death, but assuring us he was Town. In hindsight, that does make it more likely to me that (at least this) Tom Riddle was Town, and the new Tom Riddle is therefore also Town, and should definitely not be claiming it.
I'm trying to work my way through the possibility of dueling Town/Mafia Tom Riddle roles. Meaning that the "Town" Tom Riddle would be able to win with the Mafia if the "Mafia" Tom Riddle was the last one? Basically, would this just be an alt. if they were the last two standing, period?
The role as written does seem to make it more plausible that the scum could have a "Dark Mark" granter as well though. Because it's designed such that there's some redundancy in case of early death and there's some incentive to not give out the Dark Marks at all.
k? Never suggested we shouldn't look at it. I am pointing out the holes in WMU's reasoning and the incorrect logic behind it.
....like five separate players had to tell him to read the flips multiple times a piece in prison D3.
Part of me wants to peer at you suspiciously you don't recall this but it was after you were NKed so maybe you didn't read that whole stroke inducing exchange.
It is known that I don’t read all of the info the first time. So saying how it’s not like me to...not read all the posts. And then Try and see if it is just town me or scum me for... not reading all the posts.
Stop that.
Word of Mod is flavor is MOSTLY random ergo it is partially not random.
Read the flips in full. They're a few sentences...not The Iliad
Playing reactively is scummy because you can hide your alignment easier. You can push with the flow, and can avoid making statements that are hard to walk back from. I should clarify that I don’t think all reactive playing is scummy, it can serve a purpose for both alignments. It feels like you are using it to hide your bright shining self, as opposed to trying to trap a scum read.
I will concede your point on Last, I didn’t think about it like that. I just saw them keeping their reads fluid but not in a “looking for a place to happen” kind of way.
I am having fun, and I have avoided poisoning, alcohol and otherwise.
Why do you say Dork's wagon most likely didn't have scum? Is there a reason you think the Dork wagon's entirely composed of town beyond Wake's focus on it?
Why is Lagoon town for you again?
#2091 came after your whole "he's going to push me" bit, but I guess I can see where you might have thought that...if I squint. Whether that was his intention, it's still a very defensive and asymmetrical response.
I googled Paranoid Gun Owner and this is a nightmare of a role, and hope we don't have it. Also my immediate reaction was to think this is Lagoon's role and this is why he asked not to be targeted.
Hm. Where are you going with this?
What I'm saying is that whether the Dork wagon was created to counter Konan or viceversa or not at all is irrelevant to whether either was orchestrated by scum - and in fact we know one definitely wasn't (again, Font wasn't scum, though I believe some who followed her are), so there's a >rand chance the the other was.
Your point was, it seemed, to counter the validity of looking into Dork's wagon per Wake's logic (otherwise why bring this up at all? I don't know what you were achieving)
Speaking of achieving, you asked me about my Rod read late D1. Why? And what did you gain from the answer?
Yeah, I'd normally roll my eyes and move on at you doing this, honestly.
Maybe I have too much faith in you, because:
D1: "I'm trying to be better at this game! I'm playing different because I'm making an effort."
D2: "It's known that I don't do reading. And you shouldn't expect me to or read me for it."
Is this what making an effort to be better looks like to you, Rod? Because it looks to me that you defaulted back to kookiness on d2 and are expecting to be townread for it.
D1 had that effort, but it appears to have become too much effort, and that would be more likely to happen when it comes to keeping up pretense than when actually believing what you're saying/doing. D2 is...limp.
I agree with the potential scumminess in reactive playing, and in your conclusion that it's not necessarily scummy, simply can be.
I agree that I'm going with the flow this time around (enjoying it!), however I can think of several hard stances I've taken, one of them I'm taking right now. Disagree? If so, why?
Glad you're having fun. Hm.
Well either someone's lying or font def targeted Dork/Last.
A) No mafia at all, a bunch of neutrals are the anti-town faction, but they're seperate and not likely allied with each other
B)Smaller mafia, plus a duo SK thing in the Carrows. I'm leaning this way because of the way Last's role was worded: I think he's mafia. Specifically he reminds me of a Town of Salem Godfather (in TOS only the Godfather can kill, then when he dies it gets passed down to another member, replacing their role).
Also last's role doesn't actually have the town wincon, and it's talk of passing itself down makes me lean Mafia instead of neutral. I don't see it making sense if it passed, say, to fulcrum if she was still alive.
I interpret Last's wincon btw as: if he is the last person alive, EVERYONE LOSES but him. It's kinda like a Mafia Traitor or something like Proph was in that one game.
I'm suspicous of tom a bit given he's spending so much time hunting for fulcrum's partner. He's started a wagon in that vein, but he's the only one obviously voting me for being fulcrum's supposed partner. When I eventually claim I believe I'll dissuade that notion I think.
Amy: Why is tom a villager behaviorally? IDK if you've already said.
Sloth, Rod: Why am I scum? Am I a wolf, or am I fulcrum's partner and why?
Ok time to read up on Last to see if there's anything there about who his partners might be.
This is scum behaviour, waiting and see thread's answer and all, townies usually put the vote where they head is. Based on that i'd say Terry is like 70% scum. Maybe the Iso will make it clear for me and i will share it here.
:giggle: nah
look, like I said, I looked at their flip, role, and that’s it. Flavor text has never held pertinent info before in my experience, so forgive me if I skimmed it. Sloth, I never said you shouldn’t expect me to read, so don’t put those words on my mouth.
I said YOU were holding me to two standards in the same post. One saying you’ve never seen me not read, and in the very next making not reading my meta.
So which is it?
Work time for me, the Iso will happen later.
Joe with 'look at dork wagon must be scum', Wake with 'die scum without vote must be scum'.
Not sure if that means anything, but I wanted it in the thread to discuss.
In Wake's case, he's not coming across as defensive to me, and is not voting joe, which ~eh.
I look forward to the day one of these young men will have more substance and less theater.
@KJ: I've already kind of gone over it before, but there's a difference between not being against your votes and scumreading you. I'll go over you again when I have more time/inclination.
I also never said anything about being font's partner? That was tom.
Why don't you care why Wake's scumreading you? He's the one voting you.
I literally quoted and bolded two posts where you say that, Rod, so I'm not putting anything in your mouth (that's what she said!)
Phrases like "It is known that I don’t read all of the info the first time" have that implication and not a lot of room for alternative interpretations. I have no idea what you're talking about here?
But I'm going to say reread #2036. I make "the standard I'm holding you to" very clear there.
If you answered I actually missed it. Please point me to it and I will answer your second ?.
So either find some other reason to scumread me or go back and try again?
I’m kinda feeling a scum sloth vibe concidering your fency view on me. Like you wanna our doubt out there but don’t wanna commit to it. On something that Is NAI. Just waiting to jump on someone who agrees
Yea this does not hold water with me honestly. I have withheld my vote as Town too because I want to see what a player does with pressure BEFORE a vote.
In your case you become hyper defensive with 70% (?!) certainty based on one action and no other game play.
If you told this pinged you and you ISOed him to find out more that would be one thing...but 70% scum certainty because one thing is just over the top.
Not to mention I'm sorry but typing out the html [ ] tags IS a pain in the ass on the phone esp. if its at low battery.
I’m ****in done. This is gonna be another argument that I’m playing up “Koooooooky rodemy” and I am calling it