personal theory is 13/4/2/1, or 14/4/2 if axel's bull*****ting
inclined to think the second kill last night was scum kp rather than another neutral (or another town vig, but that's mostly because i don't want to believe that town shot wisp lol)
2 scum kp implies a slightly smaller scum faction, especially combined with 2 man sk squad
Went ahead and counted who fulcrum responded to and how often, list is in order of appearance as far as I could figure, think there were a couple broken quotes in there.
So Amy, please answer at the question regarding the differences you found in the MC game and my play here who makes you vote me.
And i was multitabling in games that now are finished, I can focus here more, post and interact more than once in 12 hours. One od these games was MU team game that Aquilla hosted.
I woke up, btw. At least for now I am reporting for duty.
The NKs are little odd for me, Fulcrum i think is mafia target, she was town read by many, but idk what to do with Wisp dying, if mafia he may be the victim of a redirected shot, but i am sure he is villager. Also i guess Tom Riddle-s may have different AIs.
Iirc Ose said the characters are not connected with AI so who has a bad character is not always scum and who has a good one is not always town.
It makes sense? I have to read that once more though.
I wish to read a little in who pushed ZDS. That push was scum orchestrated for sure.
I mean...we already know this isn't true so why muddy the waters by suggesting it?
What do you mean? Did I miss something?
We know there are other threats by nature of fontis Carrow flips...so why muddy waters by suggesting every threat being Tom Riddle?
I don't really get what you meant by muddy the waters..
I'm not suggesting every threat being Tom Riddle. Excuse me if it sounded that way. I was thinking maybe the scum faction is the ones from Tom Riddle's alignment. or something.
I'm not gonna dive deep there and pretend like I'm good at mechanics
i guess an actual important question we can ask today is "who fits as a fonti partner"
Can we focus to find mafia? Asking for a friend.
Given the the wording of Fontis flip I would assume the other Carrow can poison on even Nights and their wincon is to kill us all...so a scum by any other name can kill town just as dead.
So, I see some guessing as to what being poisoned means. I take it the best guess is a delayed kill and the poisoned person dying at the end of day today? If that is what's happening and the poisoned person knows it, then I would think they definitely ought to go ahead and claim it. Don't see the downside there.
i guess here's something we can discuss: should the new tom riddle claim?
The wording on the role is odd. It seems to want to imply that Tom Riddle could be either Town or Mafia. As noted already, though, if he Mafia - and there's no other way to get a Dark Mark - that seems overly scum-sided.
also axelrod going hard on konan right after konan's wagon had been dismantled in favor of WMU is interesting.
Was genuinely surprised at Konan's flip. I blame Shadow.
So does "poison" not mean a kill ability in mafialand?
generally if someone's poisoned it means they die at the end of the following day, rather than immediately at the end of the night
it's a delayed kill
My immediate thought reading that was that this is a SK duo, one gets odd nights and one gets even nights, but both otherwise the same - poisoners. Is that just silly? I see some people speculating that the other one is completely different.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Ok stopped being lazy and just looked it up myself. MafiaWiki says poisoners usually pick their target who survives the day AND night phase and die the following day start. Its unstoppable save "by the fairly rare Poison Doctor" (Maybe darkmark upgrade has a bezoar or some *****?)
We might also be assuming a lot that whoever is poisoned is notified of their poisoning. Considering the 3rd part SKs are 2 vs. 18 I would lean more towards no notice.
I wish to read a little in who pushed ZDS. That push was scum orchestrated for sure.
why that particular wagon?
It's a start. ZDS as town vig shot means that mafia would maybe want him alive for a mislynch.
I will think at the movement on me and the migration of votes on Konan too.
And Konan was not a replacement if my memory serves me right.
I wish to read a little in who pushed ZDS. That push was scum orchestrated for sure.
why that particular wagon?
It's a start. ZDS as town vig shot means that mafia would maybe want him alive for a mislynch.
I will think at the movement on me and the migration of votes on Konan too.
And Konan was not a replacement if my memory serves me right.
i guess an actual important question we can ask today is "who fits as a fonti partner"
Can we focus to find mafia? Asking for a friend.
Given the the wording of Fontis flip I would assume the other Carrow can poison on even Nights and their wincon is to kill us all...so a scum by any other name can kill town just as dead.
Yes but the SK may poison mafia too. Town anyway has majority and i think Amy is right with the small numbers of mafia.
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Ok stopped being lazy and just looked it up myself. MafiaWiki says poisoners usually pick their target who survives the day AND night phase and die the following day start. Its unstoppable save "by the fairly rare Poison Doctor" (Maybe darkmark upgrade has a bezoar or some *****?)
We might also be assuming a lot that whoever is poisoned is notified of their poisoning. Considering the 3rd part SKs are 2 vs. 18 I would lean more towards no notice.
i guess an actual important question we can ask today is "who fits as a fonti partner"
Can we focus to find mafia? Asking for a friend.
Given the the wording of Fontis flip I would assume the other Carrow can poison on even Nights and their wincon is to kill us all...so a scum by any other name can kill town just as dead.
+1
certainly not opposed to a scum lynch but if there's a chance to wipe out the SK faction i'd love to take it, especially given that i'm inclined to agree with axelrod and suspect that the other carrow is an even-night poisoner
Well, have to say, with all the killing in this game I think my already very marginal chances of "winning" just plummeted even further.
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Where can i see the hour of the posts to check some timings?
I think after 24 hours it doesn't give hours anymore. Just 1 day ago, 2, etc.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
So Amy, please answer at the question regarding the differences you found in the MC game and my play here who makes you vote me.
And i was multitabling in games that now are finished, I can focus here more, post and interact more than once in 12 hours. One od these games was MU team game that Aquilla hosted.
I woke up, btw. At least for now I am reporting for duty.
The NKs are little odd for me, Fulcrum i think is mafia target, she was town read by many, but idk what to do with Wisp dying, if mafia he may be the victim of a redirected shot, but i am sure he is villager. Also i guess Tom Riddle-s may have different AIs.
Iirc Ose said the characters are not connected with AI so who has a bad character is not always scum and who has a good one is not always town.
It makes sense? I have to read that once more though.
I wish to read a little in who pushed ZDS. That push was scum orchestrated for sure.
i didn't save any specific examples but: to put it simply, there was a depth of thought i saw in the Mafia Colosseum game that i had yet to see here. here it felt like you were barely even playing, which i guess... could be true, if you were multitabling
this post already has me feeling a little better about you, fwiw. this is more in line with what i'd expect to see given the other isp
Where can i see the hour of the posts to check some timings?
Hover over the post's timing with the cursor, over the username.
Oh wow. Never knew that.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I'll be honest, she popped into my head specifically as a font buddy. Otherwise, not really?
fair play. she definitely had me hard pocketed and i feel kinda dumb now that she flipped
that said, here's a thought: if i were fonti's partner, i would have a vested interest in her not getting nk'd by scum, yeah? and fonti's very very capable of eating the n1, as we've just seen
so with that in mind, i think it's quite possible we're looking for someone who didn't have fonti as their top villager, or who at least wasn't pushing the idea as hard as i was
Also, the scumteam is literally just Konan, Tubba, Wakemeup, Sloth and Ter. Amy, Last, Lagoon, tom, kpaca, Terry, Rodemy, Jackrito, Trisscar and Fuwa are all obvious town, mafia is so easy, don't @ me.
Ok so Amy was right in it being a SK duo I assume the other half just straight up night kills. This makes me feel that Wisp was scum then?
I think it makes more sense to have an odd
Night/even Night ability exchange in the Carrows.
This has already been brought up a few times, and it does make most sense to me - if true though, the implications of Last's death are that...
Ok stopped being lazy and just looked it up myself. MafiaWiki says poisoners usually pick their target who survives the day AND night phase and die the following day start. Its unstoppable save "by the fairly rare Poison Doctor" (Maybe darkmark upgrade has a bezoar or some *****?)
We might also be assuming a lot that whoever is poisoned is notified of their poisoning. Considering the 3rd part SKs are 2 vs. 18 I would lean more towards no notice.
Amy asked ZDS and it was confirmed by him that the target is informed. Ask him yourself and make sure.
I wish to read a little in who pushed ZDS. That push was scum orchestrated for sure.
why that particular wagon?
It's a start. ZDS as town vig shot means that mafia would maybe want him alive for a mislynch.
I will think at the movement on me and the migration of votes on Konan too.
And Konan was not a replacement if my memory serves me right.
It serves you wrong. She replaced Shadow.
Still think there's a scum in {goo/tubba} which how they pounced on fonti's penchant for tunneling, specially since obv!town Konan flipped to be obv!town.
Kinda curious to compare the ZDS wagons and the Konan wagons and see who they might have in common (hi Axel~).
Also, the scumteam is literally just Konan, Tubba, Wakemeup, Sloth and Ter. Amy, Last, Lagoon, tom, kpaca, Terry, Rodemy, Jackrito, Trisscar and Fuwa are all obvious town, mafia is so easy, don't @ me.
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
So Amy, please answer at the question regarding the differences you found in the MC game and my play here who makes you vote me.
And i was multitabling in games that now are finished, I can focus here more, post and interact more than once in 12 hours. One od these games was MU team game that Aquilla hosted.
I woke up, btw. At least for now I am reporting for duty.
The NKs are little odd for me, Fulcrum i think is mafia target, she was town read by many, but idk what to do with Wisp dying, if mafia he may be the victim of a redirected shot, but i am sure he is villager. Also i guess Tom Riddle-s may have different AIs.
Iirc Ose said the characters are not connected with AI so who has a bad character is not always scum and who has a good one is not always town.
It makes sense? I have to read that once more though.
I wish to read a little in who pushed ZDS. That push was scum orchestrated for sure.
i didn't save any specific examples but: to put it simply, there was a depth of thought i saw in the Mafia Colosseum game that i had yet to see here. here it felt like you were barely even playing, which i guess... could be true, if you were multitabling
this post already has me feeling a little better about you, fwiw. this is more in line with what i'd expect to see given the other isp
catching up will still be a pain because I took the Night-Time to rest.
Your point is valid I didn't play until now like usual but Wisp catched my train of thought pretty well.
I will analyse later zds's wagon and the fastness my own formed and dissipated
I'm starting to think Axel is the other SK Carrow.
This:
"Well, have to say, with all the killing in this game I think my already very marginal chances of "winning" just plummeted even further. "
After explaining how poison works, even after Amy did before but seemingly without noticing it, all just strikes me weird.
Sure I'm down to VOTE TUBBA
Font's not terrible at this game, at least one of her reads probably had merit and I'm cool with it being the same one I had.
Likelihood of the poison target being in that grouping not low.
Who did Rhand replace again?
Note: Still not feeling great about KJ but I do owe him an ISO at some point.
Anyone have thoughts on Ter?
I'm starting to think Axel is the other SK Carrow.
This:
"Well, have to say, with all the killing in this game I think my already very marginal chances of "winning" just plummeted even further. "
After explaining how poison works, even after Amy did before but seemingly without noticing it, all just strikes me weird.
can you talk more about "weird"?
And why does the weirdness make you think Carrow specifically?
We know there are other threats by nature of fontis Carrow flips...so why muddy waters by suggesting every threat being Tom Riddle?
inclined to think the second kill last night was scum kp rather than another neutral (or another town vig, but that's mostly because i don't want to believe that town shot wisp lol)
2 scum kp implies a slightly smaller scum faction, especially combined with 2 man sk squad
so these numbers feel right-ish
Killjoy
tomsloger
Rodemy
Axelrod
Fuwa
kpaca
Jackrito
Slothful
TerRaine
gooLagoon
Tubba Fett
Ampharos
xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
Poison Chan/Rhand
Zionite/Trisscar
Ampharos - 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 (9)
Jackrito - 1 1 1 1 1 1 (6)
Goo Lagoon - 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 (10)
Last Whisper - 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 (15)
JoeTerry - 1 1 1 1 1 (5)
Rodemy - 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 (13)
Kpaca - 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 (7)
Terraine - 1 1 1 1 1 1 (6)
Axelrod - 1 1 1 (3)
Slothful - 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 (9)
Poison chan/Rhand - 1 1 (2)
Self - 1 1 (2, probably not relevant)
Zionite - 1 (1)
Tubba Fett - 1 1 (2)
ZDS - 1 1 (2)
Killjoy - 1 (1)
Konan - 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 (13, not sure what slot this was)
Tomsloger - 1 1 1 1 (4)
What do you mean by the underline?
And i was multitabling in games that now are finished, I can focus here more, post and interact more than once in 12 hours. One od these games was MU team game that Aquilla hosted.
I woke up, btw. At least for now I am reporting for duty.
The NKs are little odd for me, Fulcrum i think is mafia target, she was town read by many, but idk what to do with Wisp dying, if mafia he may be the victim of a redirected shot, but i am sure he is villager. Also i guess Tom Riddle-s may have different AIs.
Iirc Ose said the characters are not connected with AI so who has a bad character is not always scum and who has a good one is not always town.
It makes sense? I have to read that once more though.
I wish to read a little in who pushed ZDS. That push was scum orchestrated for sure.
Wasn't Konan a replacement? I seem to remember reading that somewhere in here...
mafia > fireworks
I'm not suggesting every threat being Tom Riddle. Excuse me if it sounded that way. I was thinking maybe the scum faction is the ones from Tom Riddle's alignment. or something.
I'm not gonna dive deep there and pretend like I'm good at mechanics
Given the the wording of Fontis flip I would assume the other Carrow can poison on even Nights and their wincon is to kill us all...so a scum by any other name can kill town just as dead.
The wording on the role is odd. It seems to want to imply that Tom Riddle could be either Town or Mafia. As noted already, though, if he Mafia - and there's no other way to get a Dark Mark - that seems overly scum-sided.
Was genuinely surprised at Konan's flip. I blame Shadow.
?
nope
My immediate thought reading that was that this is a SK duo, one gets odd nights and one gets even nights, but both otherwise the same - poisoners. Is that just silly? I see some people speculating that the other one is completely different.
Top suspect right now: Ampharos.
Marinating.
Eh I'm assuming Snape.
Ok stopped being lazy and just looked it up myself. MafiaWiki says poisoners usually pick their target who survives the day AND night phase and die the following day start. Its unstoppable save "by the fairly rare Poison Doctor" (Maybe darkmark upgrade has a bezoar or some *****?)
We might also be assuming a lot that whoever is poisoned is notified of their poisoning. Considering the 3rd part SKs are 2 vs. 18 I would lean more towards no notice.
It's a start. ZDS as town vig shot means that mafia would maybe want him alive for a mislynch.
I will think at the movement on me and the migration of votes on Konan too.
And Konan was not a replacement if my memory serves me right.
Konan replaced shadow.
Kill power I think.
Why is she your top suspect?
Yes but the SK may poison mafia too. Town anyway has majority and i think Amy is right with the small numbers of mafia.
bout time someone scumread me tbh, was starting to think i wouldn't get to use any of my reaction images
certainly not opposed to a scum lynch but if there's a chance to wipe out the SK faction i'd love to take it, especially given that i'm inclined to agree with axelrod and suspect that the other carrow is an even-night poisoner
this post already has me feeling a little better about you, fwiw. this is more in line with what i'd expect to see given the other isp
typing hard
that said, here's a thought: if i were fonti's partner, i would have a vested interest in her not getting nk'd by scum, yeah? and fonti's very very capable of eating the n1, as we've just seen
so with that in mind, i think it's quite possible we're looking for someone who didn't have fonti as their top villager, or who at least wasn't pushing the idea as hard as i was
I think it makes more sense to have an odd
Night/even Night ability exchange in the Carrows.
This has already been brought up a few times, and it does make most sense to me - if true though, the implications of Last's death are that...
KP around.
Why do you blame Shadow? from his performance I had mild concerns for him, but nothing overt. What did you see?
KP = Killing Power, like a vig or a Night Kill, even a poisoner.
(It also stands for Kim Possible for those of us who are cool)
Amy asked ZDS and it was confirmed by him that the target is informed. Ask him yourself and make sure.
It serves you wrong. She replaced Shadow.
Still think there's a scum in {goo/tubba} which how they pounced on fonti's penchant for tunneling, specially since obv!town Konan flipped to be obv!town.
Kinda curious to compare the ZDS wagons and the Konan wagons and see who they might have in common (hi Axel~).
P.S. not poisoned.
and i don't think anyone has a confident read on kj
i feeeeeeeel like fonti would be more likely to townread her partner? unless she could legitimately find 0 justification for doing so. shrug emoji
##Vote: Tubba Fett
WakeMeUp do i know you on your main? i have a suspicion i know who you are but i'm unsure
she gets a pass for like a week at which point i will reexamine the meta read on her
but i'm fairly confident now that i can get it right
Also neat I double checked and got the same answer. I am not poisoned for what it's worth
Your point is valid I didn't play until now like usual but Wisp catched my train of thought pretty well.
I will analyse later zds's wagon and the fastness my own formed and dissipated
Anyway.
I'm starting to think Axel is the other SK Carrow.
This:
"Well, have to say, with all the killing in this game I think my already very marginal chances of "winning" just plummeted even further. "
After explaining how poison works, even after Amy did before but seemingly without noticing it, all just strikes me weird.
Font's not terrible at this game, at least one of her reads probably had merit and I'm cool with it being the same one I had.
Likelihood of the poison target being in that grouping not low.
Who did Rhand replace again?
Note: Still not feeling great about KJ but I do owe him an ISO at some point.
Anyone have thoughts on Ter?
And why does the weirdness make you think Carrow specifically?