I think gooLagoon's claim is more town-indicative than LW's. It feels more like the kind of think a Town would spew into the thread early. LW might as well, but he is also very capable of just claiming random stuff to mess with people.
How do you feel about the way he went about claiming it, rather than the content of the claim?
The claim itself is pretty irrelevant to me, tbh.
I have no feeling about the "way" as such. It seems very LW to me for him to throw stuff out into the thread early like that, but he will do it as both alignments. The no alignment reveal thing is more interesting to me.
There's also him saying "I'm Town" as though his saying that should somehow reassure us in the event he dies and we get no reveal. How exactly?
I thought it was pretty clear I was asking about Lagoon here, not about Last, but apparently not, so...I was asking about Lagoon here. Can you answer in regards to him?
you are probably a good solid town read for your response to my question. I think if you had tried actually answering that question, i'd have you in the scum pile.
What makes Ter towny for that answer, and not just not-scummy?
**** there goes my chance to pull the dark mark haha. I was 100% lying trying to pull it. I didn’t even realize it said in the set up )I didn’t even ****in read the thing, just that I wanted in)
So when Shadow brought up wanting the dark mark in #152, which you replied to with "the dark Mark HELPS you? Weird", what did you think was happening if you didn't realize it was in the setup? re: Shadow and in general
Axelrod: What about Rod's confusion regarding the Dark Mark is AI, and in which direction? I read it as him not reading the OP.
You saw that part where Rod admitted he was lying/gambitting?
While it was maybe plausible that (1) he didn't read the rules and missed the thing about the Dark Mark, and (2) it was/is still possible that some people don't actually get an "Upgrade" when they get it - despite what the rules say - the combination of the two things (the guy who doesn't read the rules also being the guy who actually doesn't want it, and assumes it's bad based on how it sounds) seemed unlikely to me.
Says you. I’m town and his gifs are giving me more info on his reads than some others are using actual words
I would actually like you to translate all of tom's gifs so far to English please.
Yes, I'm serious.
No, it's not entirely for game-related reasons. It's more for funsies.
Also, Sloth did like a postcount, and that was town, because he was like, too excited about the game. Unless he's a wolf and they were talking in wolf chat and the wolf chat was like "wow, sloth, youre so good and loud at the game" and he looked at the post count and then posted it to flex about how good. Of a wolf he is. Yeah. But probably not. Did he use it to hunt at all or was it like, just a flex?
My opinion is we should threaten tom with votes to make him actually post using words.
How is that not an opinion?
Real talk, does anyone actually think tom (or anyone in this game really) gives enough of a ***** about vote pressure to make them do something they don't want to do? Has that ever worked?
Really, why do people care so much? It's just busywork. Stop it.
wagon me then
idk what u guys want from me at this point
leave me alone, jesus
quitting the histrionics would be a good start
So AtE only works if it's from Rodemy then?
there's a distinction between the two that i'm gonna try to explain but it's all vague tonal feelsy type stuff so bear with me
rod's strikes me as someone who's frustrated that he's not being listened to. a sort of "oh come the **** on" sort of deal. he's trying to communicate and getting wolfread for it and it's making him run hot. his anger is very outward-facing. expansive. i think this specific sort of emotion is villagery, because it's frustration at miscommunication and lack of cohesion.
wisp is like... mostly just upset that he's being wagoned, it feels like. he makes a post he thinks is villagery, people wolfread him for it, and he gets upset in a very "woe is me" sort of way, steps away for a bit to cool off. this sort of emotion i think can come from either alignment, because nobody likes getting wolfread, whether you're a villager that feels attacked for no reason or a wolf who doesn't understand why their posts aren't working out the way they want to
i don't think either response is faked, i just think only one of them points towards alignment
given that in almost every game that I can remember, I have been a day one wagon, ya color me not surprised that after a while I stop thinking its cute, and instead let my emotion get the best of me
my emotion is nai, and never tactical, so fair assessment
I think the same can be said for Rodemy
He only looks good in my eyes, because he is actively pushing his own stuff rather than sheeping others' cases
i didn't mean to insinuate that your emotion was tactical. i just think certain alignments/mindsets are predisposed towards certain sorts of emotional responses
I strongly dislike Rodemy's reverse psychology gambit. It is self-serving (getting the Dark Mark is good for him regardless of his side), and would not actually have given us much info even if it worked (so what if scum control the mark and give it to towndemy? Who do we vote, then? And why wouldn't scum mark each other first instead?). Moreover, he dropped it way too soon as a result of being questioned, which is also self-serving behaviour.
Also, his posts overall are way too nuanced and calculated. This isn't the Rodemy I love with his ideas fusing in unexpected directions and him following them no matter what the town thinks. Give me back the real Rodemy è_é.
Unvote, Vote: Rodemy
Rod, why are you trying to guess whose gimmick Lagoon is? What about that time you were askthepizzaguy and got mad at (tom?) for several games for uncovering your identity?
Axelrod may be scum if Rod if flips scum, he's sort of questioning him over the gambit thing but not in a way that would reveal his alignment.
Whispy is on the defensive. His reads post is ok. I understand his frustration but I wish it wasn't what most defines him at the moment.
519 proves tom either doesn't have a posting restriction, or the rules for it are extremely lax.
Axelrod: What about Rod's confusion regarding the Dark Mark is AI, and in which direction? I read it as him not reading the OP.
You saw that part where Rod admitted he was lying/gambitting?
While it was maybe plausible that (1) he didn't read the rules and missed the thing about the Dark Mark, and (2) it was/is still possible that some people don't actually get an "Upgrade" when they get it - despite what the rules say - the combination of the two things (the guy who doesn't read the rules also being the guy who actually doesn't want it, and assumes it's bad based on how it sounds) seemed unlikely to me.
Ok so, two things:
How does his admitting to lying/gambitting modify your read on him based on this? And what is scum!Rod trying to achieve with this?
Do you think he did a thing and just... ****ed it up?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
honestly is it even wolfy for joe to make that push in the first place
like don't get me wrong it's definitely a bad push and if wisp is mafia it's 100% "right for the wrong reasons" type stuff
but at the same time like... if you're scum, you'd know that wisp didn't mean anything insidious by the comment, and would have to actively think of that fake angle to push. you'd either have to be feigning oblivious about the concept of people having different names on other sites, or you could legitimately not know what wisp means, but either way you'd have to come up with an angle that i don't think naturally pops into a wolf's brain
if you're town, on the other hand, it's a legitimately obtuse push to make, but comes from a brain that's like... actively sniffing for weird ***** in people's posts and trying to figure out what could be behind it
i don't think it's a super clearing towncase or anything but i think this comes from villagers more than it comes from wolves.
Yeah this is pretty astute and you and Joe are pretty much both town.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I strongly dislike Rodemy's reverse psychology gambit. It is self-serving (getting the Dark Mark is good for him regardless of his side), and would not actually have given us much info even if it worked (so what if scum control the mark and give it to towndemy? Who do we vote, then? And why wouldn't scum mark each other first instead?). Moreover, he dropped it way too soon as a result of being questioned, which is also self-serving behaviour.
Also, his posts overall are way too nuanced and calculated. This isn't the Rodemy I love with his ideas fusing in unexpected directions and him following them no matter what the town thinks. Give me back the real Rodemy è_é.
Unvote, Vote: Rodemy
Rod, why are you trying to guess whose gimmick Lagoon is? What about that time you were askthepizzaguy and got mad at (tom?) for several games for uncovering your identity?
Axelrod may be scum if Rod if flips scum, he's sort of questioning him over the gambit thing but not in a way that would reveal his alignment.
Whispy is on the defensive. His reads post is ok. I understand his frustration but I wish it wasn't what most defines him at the moment.
519 proves tom either doesn't have a posting restriction, or the rules for it are extremely lax.
I searched the whole thread specifically for mentions of taking things slow
Why, though? How strong is that tell in your experience, if it even is one?
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For the record, I will not reveal as Flipper the dolphin if I die.
and specifically the read on rodemy. feel like that's the sort of easily-argued-with meta read that comes from town more than it comes from scum, and overall i just think it's a fairly villagery push to make
thin, obviously, but that's why he's at the end of the list
fonti lagoon sloth are basically tonal/thread positioning, with lagoon being bolstered by meta (feels a lot better than he did in the wolfgame i saw him in)
joe i've already expounded on
terraine mostly for "i believe they believe the things they're saying" type reasons
rodemy had that villagery AtE
kpaca also for terraine-ish reasons but i think it's easier to fake for the posts he was making
Does not one else care that Lastwhisper isn’t taking a firm stance on anything, isn’t paying attention, and is spending most of his time posting fluff that means nothing?
tbh, his
“Rodemy’s posts feel fake” argument makes me so mad. Like, he quoted an actual fake post of mine.
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It’s not the best choice, but it’s a choice nonetheless
(I like this too, though.)
Also /points to my last post
Yes, I'm serious.
No, it's not entirely for game-related reasons. It's more for funsies.
Bar none, best post in the game so far.
Is it just his entrance? Was him being second highest in your wall (after fonti) of no significance?
Really, why do people care so much? It's just busywork. Stop it.
But at the same time, eh.
also lol at that Terry post
Thoughts from others?
Someone mentioned kpaca and rod couldn't be together (think it was font), explain that to me, please.
K paca is better than that
Aggressive behavior is literally in Kpaca's veins
rod's strikes me as someone who's frustrated that he's not being listened to. a sort of "oh come the **** on" sort of deal. he's trying to communicate and getting wolfread for it and it's making him run hot. his anger is very outward-facing. expansive. i think this specific sort of emotion is villagery, because it's frustration at miscommunication and lack of cohesion.
wisp is like... mostly just upset that he's being wagoned, it feels like. he makes a post he thinks is villagery, people wolfread him for it, and he gets upset in a very "woe is me" sort of way, steps away for a bit to cool off. this sort of emotion i think can come from either alignment, because nobody likes getting wolfread, whether you're a villager that feels attacked for no reason or a wolf who doesn't understand why their posts aren't working out the way they want to
i don't think either response is faked, i just think only one of them points towards alignment
my emotion is nai, and never tactical, so fair assessment
I think the same can be said for Rodemy
He only looks good in my eyes, because he is actively pushing his own stuff rather than sheeping others' cases
anyways I am going to sleep
mafia did originate as a psychology experiment
Also, his posts overall are way too nuanced and calculated. This isn't the Rodemy I love with his ideas fusing in unexpected directions and him following them no matter what the town thinks. Give me back the real Rodemy è_é.
Unvote, Vote: Rodemy
Rod, why are you trying to guess whose gimmick Lagoon is? What about that time you were askthepizzaguy and got mad at (tom?) for several games for uncovering your identity?
Axelrod may be scum if Rod if flips scum, he's sort of questioning him over the gambit thing but not in a way that would reveal his alignment.
Whispy is on the defensive. His reads post is ok. I understand his frustration but I wish it wasn't what most defines him at the moment.
519 proves tom either doesn't have a posting restriction, or the rules for it are extremely lax.
I agree with others re: Poison Chan.
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It's pretty easy if you consider "town leans" and "casting suspicion" opposites.
Why, though? How strong is that tell in your experience, if it even is one?
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For the record, I will not reveal as Flipper the dolphin if I die.
How does his admitting to lying/gambitting modify your read on him based on this? And what is scum!Rod trying to achieve with this?
Do you think he did a thing and just... ****ed it up?
absolutely nobody should have a read on tom yet smh
also tom is locktown never rescinding
8 villagers
i'll expect my postgame cred in the mail any day now
and specifically the read on rodemy. feel like that's the sort of easily-argued-with meta read that comes from town more than it comes from scum, and overall i just think it's a fairly villagery push to make
thin, obviously, but that's why he's at the end of the list
joe i've already expounded on
terraine mostly for "i believe they believe the things they're saying" type reasons
rodemy had that villagery AtE
kpaca also for terraine-ish reasons but i think it's easier to fake for the posts he was making
no, i will not be elaborating
i also want it on record that this is not a retraction of suspicions on wisp
Jackrito (2) - Slothful, Ampharos
Rodemy (2) - gooLagoon, ZeDorkSlipeur
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry (2) - tomsloger, TerRaine
Zionite (2) - fulcrum, Lastwhisper
gooLagoon (1) - Rodemy
Killjoy (1) - xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx
Lastwhisper (1) - kpaca
Slothful (1) - Fuwa
tomsloger (1) - Axelrod
xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx (1) - Zionite
Not voting: Jackrito, Killjoy, Poison Chan, shadowlancerx, TheRealStinkyJoeTerry, Tubba Fett
Vote History:
Slothful - Zionite > Jackrito
Axelrod - tomsloger
TerRaine - Slothful > Unvote > TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
Ampharos - tomsloger > Lastwhisper > Jackrito
tomsloger - No Elim > Axelrod > TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
Fuwa - Slothful
Zionite - xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx
Rodemy - tomsloger > TheRealStinkyJoeTerry > gooLagoon
xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx - Killjoy
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry - Ampharos > Lastwhisper > Unvote
fulcrum - Lastwhisper > Zionite
ZeDorkSlipeur - tomsloger > Rodemy
kpaca - Lastwhisper
Lastwhisper - Zionite
Fulcrum is V/LA.
Fuwa is V/LA.
TheRealStinkyJoeTerry is V/LA.
It takes 11 to elim, and Day 1 Deadline is the 29th at 1930 PST.
tbh, his
“Rodemy’s posts feel fake” argument makes me so mad. Like, he quoted an actual fake post of mine.
Z, what about my posts feels calculated at all. The setup states it’s an upgrade mechanic. Also yeah, I am being selfish. I want a ******* upgrade.
I literally never even thought about scum upgrading their teammates first. .\. Oops.
I just woke up and I gotta go running soon. I’ll catch up when I can.
Still don’t like goo. Z, tho wrong, feels town.
._. So... um.....
What about you?
a lesser Rodemy would vote you for this, but I am growing as a player and realize this is NAI.
kpaca seems town but I don’t want to say it out loud.