The VT claim if wrong is clearly a disconnect between the sub, and the person they replaced. Add Konan skipping the first 5 pages meant they missed it also. VT is also a easy claim for scum to do when under pressure espically in a larger setup to avoid CC.
Hmmm.. I'm guessing I have to put a vote in wagon since it's majority. I probably will have to vote Konan (don't ask why) but for now, my townleans are voting ZDS.
So.
Vote ZDS
This game makes me question my own role decision as a host (sigh)
The VT claim if wrong is clearly a disconnect between the sub, and the person they replaced. Add Konan skipping the first 5 pages meant they missed it also. VT is also a easy claim for scum to do when under pressure espically in a larger setup to avoid CC.
Pressure isn't a tactic that works on me very often and I most certainly wouldn't claim VT if I was scum in this situation. Combine that with the fact it is literally impossible for me to miss what shadow said. Also if I am scum wouldn't my partners remind me of such a thing?
Axel becoming active right when ZDS really gets pressure pings angel target to me but that's more a pot shot than anything else. Jack assume I flip town where would you go next?
The VT claim if wrong is clearly a disconnect between the sub, and the person they replaced. Add Konan skipping the first 5 pages meant they missed it also. VT is also a easy claim for scum to do when under pressure espically in a larger setup to avoid CC.
Pressure isn't a tactic that works on me very often and I most certainly wouldn't claim VT if I was scum in this situation. Combine that with the fact it is literally impossible for me to miss what shadow said. Also if I am scum wouldn't my partners remind me of such a thing?
Axel becoming active right when ZDS really gets pressure pings angel target to me but that's more a pot shot than anything else. Jack assume I flip town where would you go next?
I would go ZDS because that is where I was happy with before this, I have a couple of others that I have doubts on, but review them tomorrow. On your first point how is it impossible for you to miss what shadow said, I mean you likely checked what old slot said but not certain. The other would really depend on who would be your teammates in that world, some people here for example may not be aware of those posts.
"Rodemy- LAst, you played with me in Yellow, i caught you and your partner on almost your first posts. Yours being about me and particularly you saying i thought something was scummy when i never said that .
It works. When you know you are town, people who confirm you as scum seem to stick out more. Yeah it's "selfish" in a way, but it gives me a good base of who is scum and who is town. But also just because people towered me (i.e you) doesn't mean i think they are town. I start with what i know: I am town. And i go from there. That's been working for me pretty well."
this honestly
Pg 20. Ooooohhh, hi Lagoon. Sympathies for what you referenced btw.
Does the guardian angel not have a "survivor" mode it drops into if the target dies?
What on earth is vaimes
Pg 22. Ye gods what a mess
Seriously people it's not hard to read gifs, just think about what keywords they're probably marked with and what they indicate in general
Also Kpaca is being rude
Alla yall assuming Osie is making this game to maliciously screw with people are silly
Pg 24. ....*headdesk* Kpaca wry
Pg 25. Also JoeTerry ye gods
Fuwa: "Osie told me I should just imagine everyone as not knowing what they're doing so I don't feel like this site is trying to strangle me and tear me to pieces for not being an A poster (That's also hard to do because I saw some posts saying "I know exactly what I'm doing")."
Any consolation, that is pretty much how I feel most of the time to some small or large degree, and I suspect that most people's statements of above average skill are greatly exaggerated.
Ampharos: "i'm in the middle of resetting my sleep schedule and may be entirely useless for the next 24 hours or so"
Sympathies from years of the same, luck on the result.
Wisp: "I think I can read Trisscar"
*grin*
Sloth: "Also jesus christ is this mhw game actually a popular thing? Ter's not just a gamer nerd?"
Ohhhhhh boy you have no idea. Assuming that wasn't sarcasm, if it was it was well phrased.
Killjoy: "Also what are your pronoun preferences?"
I'm female, the only reason I'll complain is if people start seeming to assume that I'm a guy cause no grlz on the internetz; Usually don't say anything at all because I troubleshoot on discord servers for Rimworld and Minecraft, and both have a lot of kids half my age some of whom WILL attempt to hit on me in Dms, which as you might assume is awkward as hell.
Fulcrum: "Also, the scumteam is literally just Konan, Tubba, Wakemeup, Sloth and Ter. Amy, Last, Lagoon, tom, kpaca, Terry, Rodemy, Jackrito, Trisscar and Fuwa are all obvious town, mafia is so easy, don't @ me."
....*blink*... What wait what have I done.
Konan: "Perhaps your site's culture is different from mine, but trying to start a wagon 2 days to deadline is strongly discouraged when you have 3 wagons that already have 4+ votes"
Seen bigger swings recently. Took some strong arguing though.
Wisp: "what exactly was the point of putting ur reads into a color-coded vote count? You tell me"
I mean I do that, helps to have a visual representation of information, easier to notice patterns. Pretty sure you did it as an Imaginary Friend a bit ago. Not sure why you dislike it now?
Should mention that I don't have enough info or reactions from WMU to read them, therefore not a fan of the push that happened on them. Also agree that slips aren't something to base entire 'cases' on. Could just as easily be distractions or weird memory mergings or losing track of trains of thought halfway through.
I don't really wanna vote on a VT that asks for a dark mark.
Why?
Can I refuse to answer this for now? I have my reasons.
Regarding the post just above though, I don't think anyone missed what Shadow said, so who in your opinion are the ones less likely to be aware of the post?
The VT claim if wrong is clearly a disconnect between the sub, and the person they replaced. Add Konan skipping the first 5 pages meant they missed it also. VT is also a easy claim for scum to do when under pressure espically in a larger setup to avoid CC.
Pressure isn't a tactic that works on me very often and I most certainly wouldn't claim VT if I was scum in this situation. Combine that with the fact it is literally impossible for me to miss what shadow said. Also if I am scum wouldn't my partners remind me of such a thing?
Axel becoming active right when ZDS really gets pressure pings angel target to me but that's more a pot shot than anything else. Jack assume I flip town where would you go next?
I would go ZDS because that is where I was happy with before this, I have a couple of others that I have doubts on, but review them tomorrow. On your first point how is it impossible for you to miss what shadow said, I mean you likely checked what old slot said but not certain. The other would really depend on who would be your teammates in that world, some people here for example may not be aware of those posts.
And why are you not voting ZDS right now when Axel is a 3p who could have ZDS as their angel target vs someone who is widely townread? It's also impossible for me to miss what shadow said because I subbed into his slot and I can see his discord posts. If shadow was scum who gives fake claims to the slots he subs out of it'd be impossible for me to miss that. When the reality is that didn't happen because I am town.
@konan
did u just take Fonti's words on Shadow's meta from one game, and turn it into an absolute?
also And why are you not voting ZDS right now when Axel is a 3p who could have ZDS as their angel target vs someone who is widely townread?
what are you talking about here?
Yeaaaahh.... I'mma agree with Konan here, trusting the apparent Neutral who has no reason to want to work with anyone but their supposed target, and who hates their role but didn't just straight up ask to replace out of the game, is weird and feels like town has the wrong end of the stick. Also Konan has so far not appeared scummy to me, and I missed whatever slip they have supposedly made.
Vanilla town having a way to gain a role through game mechanics sounds interesting and honestly much more fun than being basic vanilla town with no option to do more than vote and argue ever. If this is not how this works I'mma be well disappointed. And given that a couple people now have said that their Dark Mark effects are vague (mine certainly is), I suspect that anyone asking for the mark is bored enough with their role (or unsatisfied enough) to want to see what happens, outside the curiosity everybody else feels about it.
I like voting Konan far less than i do ZDS, though admittedly I have no massive reads on them either beyond some weiiiird logic that I didn't have enough of a handle on to really note previously in addition to everyone else seeming to say most of what I was thinking on it. I honestly have no solid scum lean on either however, one just looks much more darkly shaded, art-metaphor-wise.
Hmmm.. I'm guessing I have to put a vote in wagon since it's majority. I probably will have to vote Konan (don't ask why) but for now, my townleans are voting ZDS.
So.
Vote ZDS
This game makes me question my own role decision as a host (sigh)
Kpaca, I'm going to level with you, I'm kind of just treating you as an obstacle to work around at this point. Like, you're probably town, but you're so abrasive and hard headed about this Tom thing (repeatedly saying "answer the question" without actually saying what the question even is, for example) that trying to work with you right now seems pointless. I don't mean this to be dismissive, but I do want to express my frustration. Is there something I can do to help communication between us.
Ter, you're being kind of condescending, I think. I would appreciate it if you could be a little kinder.
There's a bunch of other stuff that isn't great, from me included.
You last point was great, and I may very well have been not allowing myself to get out of the tunnel, but I often need to resolve the tunnel somewhat in order to move on. I kind of have a one track mind like that. Even if my resolution doesn't allow me to make a final decision on the alignment of the tunnel in question, I have to at least close my open ended question. You were correct to call me out on this though, and should be willing to call me out on it as you feel necessary.
tl:dr The game is starting to feel a bit toxic, let's try to remember we're here to have fun.
I guess I felt like I asked the question a couple times, and am getting no answer. So have just decided to repeat myself at this point to call attention to the fact that tom is just completely ignoring the request. I’m kind of trying to be an obstacle I guess, because I really think we should all be voting for Tom; and quite frankly I’m getting a little frustrated with the prevailing attitude of “we don’t care he’s acting scummy”. If everyone else wants to focus elsewhere; fine. But I’m not quite interested in focusing my attention elsewhere.
I am also happy to engage in ways I can help engender our communication :).
That's all fair.
I think what you're missing is that Tom is playing for Tom to have fun, and will do it regardless of his alignment. He used gifs and tried to express his reads through them because that's what he found fun. I think you're being a little unfair when you say he's contributing nothing: he did give some reads, and the Terraine was /a/ take, though admittedly not one I found particularly useful.
I think this is something we can talk about after the game, but right now, I don't think anything actually frustrating you about tom is alignment indicative, and I think tom is more likely step it up on his own, if he's town, if he's given space. Like, right now he's just getting more and more obstinate in response to you trying to shove a yeet onto him.
I also think you personally, if you are town, are getting so into your tom tunnel that it's affecting all your other reads, and hurting your ability to solve. Like, we're talking about this right now, and you're being frustrated with me, and instead we could be talking about my clearly awesome case on Konan. Or, if I'm you think I'm wrong on Konan, we could be talking about that here, and I could be the one getting pulled out of a tunnel (I don't think that's going to happen, but a woman can dream, heh).
Do you get what I'm saying?
So; I wanted to start here. And I know that my tom question gets answered a few posts after his. Tom could have done this "because he wanted to", but I wanted him to verbalize that. Not have other people verbalize it for him. In my mind there are a few different prevailing theories (though unnamed) to how mafia analysis is done. Some people seem to pay attention to inconsistency in text, textual analysis you could say. Some people look for inconsistency in behavior; behavioral analysis. And some people focus on mind set; "mindset tells" if you will. Now everyone for sure utilizes all three at different points, but in my estimation generally most people play utilizing one of these three more than others. I have always been (to varying degrees of success) a mindset tells player. So a lot of what I do is trying to paint a picture in my head of what kind of mindset the person typing things at the other end of their computer might be. I very much wanted to be able to get a feel for "why" Tom is doing what he is doing. So if what he was doing was "refusing to answer questions; continuing to be obstinate" I wanted to call that out and highlight it.
I take obstinance in the face of a yeet as a not necessarily town mindset.
@kpaca
Its a dumb question. Technically the answer is "i was gonna roleplay because by setup its harry potter characters that know theyre in a mafia game but then osi randed me <some ******** without any lines>" but actually the answer is "i wanted to"
You're a dumb question.
On a more serious note, even if it was dumb it was clearly something that was important to answer. "This is a dumb question" would have provided more insight than an out and about refusal to answer. unvote while I continue to catch up on the last ten pages. I'm not placing you in the town pile yet, but this answer is not the worst thing you could have produced.
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@konan
did u just take Fonti's words on Shadow's meta from one game, and turn it into an absolute?
also And why are you not voting ZDS right now when Axel is a 3p who could have ZDS as their angel target vs someone who is widely townread?
what are you talking about here?
So, you don't think a scum shadow would tell his sub out about a fake claim they're going for. Or, the other scum partners for that matter?
I'm referring to Axel and fulcrum
Hmmm.. I'm guessing I have to put a vote in wagon since it's majority. I probably will have to vote Konan (don't ask why) but for now, my townleans are voting ZDS.
So.
Vote ZDS
This game makes me question my own role decision as a host (sigh)
why the hell does that matter at all?????
Which part? The majority?
It simply means that my sitting vote on sloth at the moment is useless. Like, I don't have a good case (on sloth), nor does anyone seem to think it's a good case, and in majority, you need votes to lynch so I might as well contribute.
wisp's reads are ?????????????????? and i actually think that makes me feel better about his alignment lol
this konan wagon swelled up way faster than i would have expected and i need to look at some stuff to see how i feel about it
welcome to the game tom. thanks for giving me one more slot to read, ********
sloth not voting feels kinda wack
wakemeup in particular needs to start playing the game, she keeps almost being here but then she isn't
these rapid fire thoughts brought to you by my adhd
The only game I ever played with wisp his reads were nonsensical and he threw his vote around like Rey Mysterio wrestling Brock Lesnar. He was town in that game.
Is that his town meta?
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I don't really wanna vote on a VT that asks for a dark mark.
Why?
Can I refuse to answer this for now? I have my reasons.
Regarding the post just above though, I don't think anyone missed what Shadow said, so who in your opinion are the ones less likely to be aware of the post?
we have a lot of replacements, and had lowposters before that its very possible one of them missed it. I'm not sure why that is so hard to believe. saying everyone took notice of what Shaodw said when it happened so long ago is a real stretch to me anyway.
Anyway back to the game: Nothing I say implies Tom is town. In fact I was trying to say Tom is nullest of nulls because of his gif posting. Saying that scum can jump on tom because it is an excuse does not imply that tom is town and I don't understand how you would get to that answer yourself. The whole base of the idea that I am also scum because I wanted to get the jump on a tom townread is...interesting? Sure in theory it is a good idea to get a jump on a popular or influential player but tom isn't that. There's no way I can believe that someone thought the idea that went through my head as scum is trying to get a headstart on townreading tom of all players here.
Not popular? You're going to break tom's heart.
I can talk for a little bit.
The idea is, if you think tom is null, then why do you want to stop pressure on him? Especially when you weren't even fully caught up, and couldn't have even known if the pressure had fallen off. So why try to convince Tubba to back off then? Well, I don't really see a town thought process. You could have theoretically been annoyed with the tunneling on tom, like a lot of people, but nothing you said actually indicated that kind of annoyance. And if your problem was that it was annoying, well, why talk to Tubba about it instead of pursuing something else?
At the same time, you seemed to have believed that looking at people voting on tom (if he's town) could have been a good place to start to scumhunt. This could have served as a jumping point into the game for you, and let you real time some reads with people. But you didn't do that. Instead, you outlined the thought process (i.e. this is how and why I would look for scum in the people pressuring tom), thus explaining to scum how you intend to catch them /before/ you even let them do the things you'd want to read them on. Like, you're saying "this is how I would scumhunt" instead of actually scumhunting, and telling scum how to not get caught by you at the same time.
It's just a totally bizarre way to approach the game as town, and makes more sense for you as scum to be trying to define your process and scrounging for some sort of content.
Lastly, the pretty obvious conclusion to "hey, I'm actually townreading everyone voting tom, except maybe Tubba" is "maybe Tom is mafia, and that's why there's no mafia voting him." But you never actually made that connection or even seemed to think about it? That backs up the idea of you tmiing Tom as town.
Amy, if you know Konan, I'd be happy to talk about her(?) with you and figure out if this is alignment indicative. I'm at a pretty strong d1 scumread here (like 65/70%, compared to a baseline 25%), but I'm up for being talked out of it if you think I'm misinterpreting her.
As someone who votes on assumptions of TMI slips far too much they are rarely true, even though I would like them to be true more. So I stop mislynching people and looking like a dumb ass.
The more you spell it out the more I like the smell of this; but also this:
I'm also a little spooked by Sloth having such a strong townread on me. There's an argument to be made that I was easier to read that normal at the beginning of the game due to the health issues, and sloth would have been hyper aware of that because he was also watching my thought process in a hydra ish game at the same time. But I've also, uh, literally just fooled him and I kind of expected him to be more concerned about it going into this game.
Arguably, he would know that I would be expecting him to be more cautious about townreading me, and would try to play into that as scum, so him not doing is a sign that he is in fact town, but that's weak and I probably shouldn't have even taken the time to type it out.
Anyway.
Why would it bother you that someone is town reading you?
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And why are you not voting ZDS right now when Axel is a 3p who could have ZDS as their angel target vs someone who is widely townread? It's also impossible for me to miss what shadow said because I subbed into his slot and I can see his discord posts. If shadow was scum who gives fake claims to the slots he subs out of it'd be impossible for me to miss that. When the reality is that didn't happen because I am town.
Is it wrong that I don't openly hate 3rd parties they can bring up valid points which Axel did imo. If his target is town that means he is here to help us so I'm going to hope for the best and try to work with them. If their target is someone I scumread then this agreement is off the table clearly. Just ignoring someone for no reason is bad play and unfair on that person.
Trissar's entrance is wolfy, the statement I pointed out is the second wolfiest sentence in this thread
the way Konan just used Fonti's thoughts and turned into a read they are pushing that somehow makes them look better, is probably the wolfiest thing in this thread by far
Thank goodness I never have to read these arguments again for the rest of my life. I was worried that if I did survive today I was gonna have to deal with this more. I believe that was hammer and that means I never have to come back again.
Do refer back to my other post. You people overthink and take things as something they're not far too much. That's going to hurt towns game in the long run.
The VT claim if wrong is clearly a disconnect between the sub, and the person they replaced. Add Konan skipping the first 5 pages meant they missed it also. VT is also a easy claim for scum to do when under pressure espically in a larger setup to avoid CC.
Pressure isn't a tactic that works on me very often and I most certainly wouldn't claim VT if I was scum in this situation. Combine that with the fact it is literally impossible for me to miss what shadow said. Also if I am scum wouldn't my partners remind me of such a thing?
Axel becoming active right when ZDS really gets pressure pings angel target to me but that's more a pot shot than anything else. Jack assume I flip town where would you go next?
I would go ZDS because that is where I was happy with before this, I have a couple of others that I have doubts on, but review them tomorrow. On your first point how is it impossible for you to miss what shadow said, I mean you likely checked what old slot said but not certain. The other would really depend on who would be your teammates in that world, some people here for example may not be aware of those posts.
And why are you not voting ZDS right now when Axel is a 3p who could have ZDS as their angel target vs someone who is widely townread? It's also impossible for me to miss what shadow said because I subbed into his slot and I can see his discord posts. If shadow was scum who gives fake claims to the slots he subs out of it'd be impossible for me to miss that. When the reality is that didn't happen because I am town.
who is widely townread? THe discord stuff is OOG and I'm not going into that for many reasons.
The VT claim if wrong is clearly a disconnect between the sub, and the person they replaced. Add Konan skipping the first 5 pages meant they missed it also. VT is also a easy claim for scum to do when under pressure espically in a larger setup to avoid CC.
Pressure isn't a tactic that works on me very often and I most certainly wouldn't claim VT if I was scum in this situation. Combine that with the fact it is literally impossible for me to miss what shadow said. Also if I am scum wouldn't my partners remind me of such a thing?
Axel becoming active right when ZDS really gets pressure pings angel target to me but that's more a pot shot than anything else. Jack assume I flip town where would you go next?
I would go ZDS because that is where I was happy with before this, I have a couple of others that I have doubts on, but review them tomorrow. On your first point how is it impossible for you to miss what shadow said, I mean you likely checked what old slot said but not certain. The other would really depend on who would be your teammates in that world, some people here for example may not be aware of those posts.
And why are you not voting ZDS right now when Axel is a 3p who could have ZDS as their angel target vs someone who is widely townread? It's also impossible for me to miss what shadow said because I subbed into his slot and I can see his discord posts. If shadow was scum who gives fake claims to the slots he subs out of it'd be impossible for me to miss that. When the reality is that didn't happen because I am town.
so i guess my question is this: how do you think scum handles the evolving tom wagon if tom's scum and the tom voters are town?
Considering how little value scum tom would/had brought to the table (taking away all factors of role wifom) I wouldn’t be surprised if some went for an early bus, in fact that was my first thought but as I’ve said the only one I bring into question is tubba. So really, I wouldn’t be surprised if they are going on my wagon. Saying how scum handle a wagon without knowing who said scum are is just a guessing game.
but if you think scum aren't piling onto him, you also have to admit that they aren't defending him, either
I wouldn’t defend a slot that has brought little to the table as scum either that would look bad on a flip. If scum are defending town they’re doing it by saying lynching the gif poster is bad. However they can’t do that anymore so it gives more wiggle room.
think the way they slid onto this particular wagon, egging on kpaca's tunnel, was just kinda slimy. and that's never a w/w interaction
We can agree to disagree on this.
but everything after that seems... jumbled, and it's jumbled in a way where i can't really get myself to see what you're seeing.
Then you should be asking me more questions on what you don’t understand. You do know 2 of the votes on my wagon are empty because the reasoning has been proven wrong and they’re just sitting
you stated that tubba was the only person you were scumreading on the ZDS wagon, but ZDS is near the very bottom of my list, and townreading him is like a super spicy take in comparison to the rest of the thread. and at times it just seems like you're... not really considering the things
I feel like I can be throwing this right back at you. I’ve mulled over a lot of things in my head and yes I am not going to spam post and I keep some thoughts to myself but to say I haven’t considered things is so blatantly incorrect. Yes I get that my read is ‘spicy’ as you put it but that doesn’t stop me from having it. I have offered open discussion on my reads and if no one wants to take me on them and just vote me then truly I cannot do much. I know you are not meaning to make this offensive, but considering I read the whole front to back minus 5 pages in about 2 days and had to catch up, my weakest point in the game mind you. Sure, I could 'miss' some things. But to say I don't consider? Come on now.
Even after reading your explanation; I do not understand how your read on Tom is basically "other peoples' interactions with Tom has made me scum read Tom".
I will probably vote you when I am done rereading, I am refraining currently as for all I know you are L-1 by the time I get to page 36.
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and who hates their role but didn't just straight up ask to replace out of the game,
you are a god damn wolf, get the hell out of here with this post
...Is that not the polite course of action? Is there like, some "no D1 replacements" rule? Like seriously is that why the previous game we played became such a goddamn mess, that the people who hated their role couldn't leave?
Also am I missing things in Konan's posts? Freely admit I didn't go through their isos or notes cause I was going crosseyed once I got there, but I'd also like to know what the heck people saw that tripped their scum sense tbh. Cause so far none of their behavior (...yes I know, I'm surprised i agree with Kpaca on this, but that was a good summation of how mafia players seem to behave in my experience) outside of that has tripped mine.
Wisp I'm sorry if you're feeling stressed by this game, sincerely. It didn't look very fun going over it before and it doesn't sound fun now. But I genuinely have no idea what you find offensive about my "omg I finally got to the end of this thing, wait what's happening" post.
And why are you not voting ZDS right now when Axel is a 3p who could have ZDS as their angel target vs someone who is widely townread? It's also impossible for me to miss what shadow said because I subbed into his slot and I can see his discord posts. If shadow was scum who gives fake claims to the slots he subs out of it'd be impossible for me to miss that. When the reality is that didn't happen because I am town.
And we're back.
Vote: Konan
Guys.
Konan said she can see Shadow's discord posts. Konan has also claimed vt. Why would vt!shadow make posts in discord? Don't snap vote when you read this, Konan is currently at L-2.
@Kpaca, I just took Sloth for a ride in our last game together, so him townreading me without any paranoia here is unusual and potentially scum indicative.
Hmmm.. I'm guessing I have to put a vote in wagon since it's majority. I probably will have to vote Konan (don't ask why) but for now, my townleans are voting ZDS.
So.
Vote ZDS
This game makes me question my own role decision as a host (sigh)
Axel becoming active right when ZDS really gets pressure pings angel target to me but that's more a pot shot than anything else. Jack assume I flip town where would you go next?
She still might have messed it up, but it's not as likely as you guys are saying.
I would go ZDS because that is where I was happy with before this, I have a couple of others that I have doubts on, but review them tomorrow. On your first point how is it impossible for you to miss what shadow said, I mean you likely checked what old slot said but not certain. The other would really depend on who would be your teammates in that world, some people here for example may not be aware of those posts.
Why?
It works. When you know you are town, people who confirm you as scum seem to stick out more. Yeah it's "selfish" in a way, but it gives me a good base of who is scum and who is town. But also just because people towered me (i.e you) doesn't mean i think they are town. I start with what i know: I am town. And i go from there. That's been working for me pretty well."
this honestly
Pg 20. Ooooohhh, hi Lagoon. Sympathies for what you referenced btw.
Does the guardian angel not have a "survivor" mode it drops into if the target dies?
What on earth is vaimes
Pg 22. Ye gods what a mess
Seriously people it's not hard to read gifs, just think about what keywords they're probably marked with and what they indicate in general
Also Kpaca is being rude
Alla yall assuming Osie is making this game to maliciously screw with people are silly
Pg 24. ....*headdesk* Kpaca wry
Pg 25. Also JoeTerry ye gods
Fuwa: "Osie told me I should just imagine everyone as not knowing what they're doing so I don't feel like this site is trying to strangle me and tear me to pieces for not being an A poster (That's also hard to do because I saw some posts saying "I know exactly what I'm doing")."
Any consolation, that is pretty much how I feel most of the time to some small or large degree, and I suspect that most people's statements of above average skill are greatly exaggerated.
Ampharos: "i'm in the middle of resetting my sleep schedule and may be entirely useless for the next 24 hours or so"
Sympathies from years of the same, luck on the result.
Wisp: "I think I can read Trisscar"
*grin*
Sloth: "Also jesus christ is this mhw game actually a popular thing? Ter's not just a gamer nerd?"
Ohhhhhh boy you have no idea. Assuming that wasn't sarcasm, if it was it was well phrased.
Killjoy: "Also what are your pronoun preferences?"
I'm female, the only reason I'll complain is if people start seeming to assume that I'm a guy cause no grlz on the internetz; Usually don't say anything at all because I troubleshoot on discord servers for Rimworld and Minecraft, and both have a lot of kids half my age some of whom WILL attempt to hit on me in Dms, which as you might assume is awkward as hell.
Fulcrum: "Also, the scumteam is literally just Konan, Tubba, Wakemeup, Sloth and Ter. Amy, Last, Lagoon, tom, kpaca, Terry, Rodemy, Jackrito, Trisscar and Fuwa are all obvious town, mafia is so easy, don't @ me."
....*blink*... What wait what have I done.
Konan: "Perhaps your site's culture is different from mine, but trying to start a wagon 2 days to deadline is strongly discouraged when you have 3 wagons that already have 4+ votes"
Seen bigger swings recently. Took some strong arguing though.
Wisp: "what exactly was the point of putting ur reads into a color-coded vote count? You tell me"
I mean I do that, helps to have a visual representation of information, easier to notice patterns. Pretty sure you did it as an Imaginary Friend a bit ago. Not sure why you dislike it now?
Should mention that I don't have enough info or reactions from WMU to read them, therefore not a fan of the push that happened on them. Also agree that slips aren't something to base entire 'cases' on. Could just as easily be distractions or weird memory mergings or losing track of trains of thought halfway through.
Regarding the post just above though, I don't think anyone missed what Shadow said, so who in your opinion are the ones less likely to be aware of the post?
did u just take Fonti's words on Shadow's meta from one game, and turn it into an absolute?
also
And why are you not voting ZDS right now when Axel is a 3p who could have ZDS as their angel target vs someone who is widely townread?
what are you talking about here?
Vanilla town having a way to gain a role through game mechanics sounds interesting and honestly much more fun than being basic vanilla town with no option to do more than vote and argue ever. If this is not how this works I'mma be well disappointed. And given that a couple people now have said that their Dark Mark effects are vague (mine certainly is), I suspect that anyone asking for the mark is bored enough with their role (or unsatisfied enough) to want to see what happens, outside the curiosity everybody else feels about it.
I like voting Konan far less than i do ZDS, though admittedly I have no massive reads on them either beyond some weiiiird logic that I didn't have enough of a handle on to really note previously in addition to everyone else seeming to say most of what I was thinking on it. I honestly have no solid scum lean on either however, one just looks much more darkly shaded, art-metaphor-wise.
I am not moving my vote anymore
why the hell does that matter at all?????
So; I wanted to start here. And I know that my tom question gets answered a few posts after his. Tom could have done this "because he wanted to", but I wanted him to verbalize that. Not have other people verbalize it for him. In my mind there are a few different prevailing theories (though unnamed) to how mafia analysis is done. Some people seem to pay attention to inconsistency in text, textual analysis you could say. Some people look for inconsistency in behavior; behavioral analysis. And some people focus on mind set; "mindset tells" if you will. Now everyone for sure utilizes all three at different points, but in my estimation generally most people play utilizing one of these three more than others. I have always been (to varying degrees of success) a mindset tells player. So a lot of what I do is trying to paint a picture in my head of what kind of mindset the person typing things at the other end of their computer might be. I very much wanted to be able to get a feel for "why" Tom is doing what he is doing. So if what he was doing was "refusing to answer questions; continuing to be obstinate" I wanted to call that out and highlight it.
I take obstinance in the face of a yeet as a not necessarily town mindset.
You're a dumb question.
On a more serious note, even if it was dumb it was clearly something that was important to answer. "This is a dumb question" would have provided more insight than an out and about refusal to answer. unvote while I continue to catch up on the last ten pages. I'm not placing you in the town pile yet, but this answer is not the worst thing you could have produced.
I'm referring to Axel and fulcrum
you are a god damn wolf, get the hell out of here with this post
STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP
It simply means that my sitting vote on sloth at the moment is useless. Like, I don't have a good case (on sloth), nor does anyone seem to think it's a good case, and in majority, you need votes to lynch so I might as well contribute.
wtf did I just read
The only game I ever played with wisp his reads were nonsensical and he threw his vote around like Rey Mysterio wrestling Brock Lesnar. He was town in that game.
Is that his town meta?
we have a lot of replacements, and had lowposters before that its very possible one of them missed it. I'm not sure why that is so hard to believe. saying everyone took notice of what Shaodw said when it happened so long ago is a real stretch to me anyway.
I am still looking at several posts on this page, and I am slowly losing my sanity
I am gonna go....
nothing more, nothing less
Lynch Konan, and then Trisscar tomorrow regardless of Konan's alignment
for literally writing out the wolfiest sentence in this entire game
The more you spell it out the more I like the smell of this; but also this:
Why would it bother you that someone is town reading you?
And we're back.
Vote: Konan
the way Konan just used Fonti's thoughts and turned into a read they are pushing that somehow makes them look better, is probably the wolfiest thing in this thread by far
Do refer back to my other post. You people overthink and take things as something they're not far too much. That's going to hurt towns game in the long run.
who is widely townread? THe discord stuff is OOG and I'm not going into that for many reasons.
I mean...its D1 in a game of mafia...kinda par for the course.
Even after reading your explanation; I do not understand how your read on Tom is basically "other peoples' interactions with Tom has made me scum read Tom".
I will probably vote you when I am done rereading, I am refraining currently as for all I know you are L-1 by the time I get to page 36.
...Is that not the polite course of action? Is there like, some "no D1 replacements" rule? Like seriously is that why the previous game we played became such a goddamn mess, that the people who hated their role couldn't leave?
Also am I missing things in Konan's posts? Freely admit I didn't go through their isos or notes cause I was going crosseyed once I got there, but I'd also like to know what the heck people saw that tripped their scum sense tbh. Cause so far none of their behavior (...yes I know, I'm surprised i agree with Kpaca on this, but that was a good summation of how mafia players seem to behave in my experience) outside of that has tripped mine.
Wisp I'm sorry if you're feeling stressed by this game, sincerely. It didn't look very fun going over it before and it doesn't sound fun now. But I genuinely have no idea what you find offensive about my "omg I finally got to the end of this thing, wait what's happening" post.
This was just 8 different levels of bad. And by "bad" I mean bad for the scum. Your service of outing yourself to the town has been much appreciated.
vote: Konan
I'd like a look at Killjoy tomorrow.
Guys.
Konan said she can see Shadow's discord posts. Konan has also claimed vt. Why would vt!shadow make posts in discord? Don't snap vote when you read this, Konan is currently at L-2.
@Kpaca, I just took Sloth for a ride in our last game together, so him townreading me without any paranoia here is unusual and potentially scum indicative.
kinda think konan's town
mostly gut
not really here, can't further dissect
To avoid the hammer.
I'd like your thoughts on the discord thing.
Reminder that OGI is not welcome. Tread near that line at your own risk.
I'm certainly a muser but I don't know if shadow is, and don't think we can meaningfully speculate on it.