I guess my point is that I’m okay with being “old man yells at cloud right now”; while simultaneously being frustrated that more people aren’t yelling with me.
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Kpaca, I'm going to level with you, I'm kind of just treating you as an obstacle to work around at this point. Like, you're probably town, but you're so abrasive and hard headed about this Tom thing (repeatedly saying "answer the question" without actually saying what the question even is, for example) that trying to work with you right now seems pointless. I don't mean this to be dismissive, but I do want to express my frustration. Is there something I can do to help communication between us.
Ter, you're being kind of condescending, I think. I would appreciate it if you could be a little kinder.
There's a bunch of other stuff that isn't great, from me included.
tl:dr The game is starting to feel a bit toxic, let's try to remember we're here to have fun.
I guess I felt like I asked the question a couple times, and am getting no answer. So have just decided to repeat myself at this point to call attention to the fact that tom is just completely ignoring the request. I’m kind of trying to be an obstacle I guess, because I really think we should all be voting for Tom; and quite frankly I’m getting a little frustrated with the prevailing attitude of “we don’t care he’s acting scummy”. If everyone else wants to focus elsewhere; fine. But I’m not quite interested in focusing my attention elsewhere.
I am also happy to engage in ways I can help engender our communication :).
That's all fair.
I think what you're missing is that Tom is playing for Tom to have fun, and will do it regardless of his alignment. He used gifs and tried to express his reads through them because that's what he found fun. I think you're being a little unfair when you say he's contributing nothing: he did give some reads, and the Terraine was /a/ take, though admittedly not one I found particularly useful.
I think this is something we can talk about after the game, but right now, I don't think anything actually frustrating you about tom is alignment indicative, and I think tom is more likely step it up on his own, if he's town, if he's given space. Like, right now he's just getting more and more obstinate in response to you trying to shove a yeet onto him.
I also think you personally, if you are town, are getting so into your tom tunnel that it's affecting all your other reads, and hurting your ability to solve. Like, we're talking about this right now, and you're being frustrated with me, and instead we could be talking about my clearly awesome case on Konan. Or, if I'm you think I'm wrong on Konan, we could be talking about that here, and I could be the one getting pulled out of a tunnel (I don't think that's going to happen, but a woman can dream, heh).
I think you and I have a very different definition of set up gaming Tom. Both those issue had to do with player actions that did not line up with what they were saying or changed over time. It wasn't about trying to guess any kind of set up.
I'm not retreating. I think it's matters plenty to push a player who was not doing anything other than tunneling one individual and refusing to consider what his own town reads are telling him.
you think kpaca talking about me and lagoon/axel talking about their own claims is the best path to solving this game?
Your reading comprehension is severely lacking if that's what you got out of the words you quoted. You should get that checked out
@kpaca
Its a dumb question. Technically the answer is "i was gonna roleplay because by setup its harry potter characters that know theyre in a mafia game but then osi randed me <some ******** without any lines>" but actually the answer is "i wanted to"
I think you and I have a very different definition of set up gaming Tom. Both those issue had to do with player actions that did not line up with what they were saying or changed over time. It wasn't about trying to guess any kind of set up.
I'm not retreating. I think it's matters plenty to push a player who was not doing anything other than tunneling one individual and refusing to consider what his own town reads are telling him.
you think kpaca talking about me and lagoon/axel talking about their own claims is the best path to solving this game?
No idea how Tom. I said time and time again I wanted him to stop talking about you and hunt literally anyone else since at the time pushing you wasn't going anywhere. Those were also pretty early reads....haven't talked much about Lagoon since and dropped Axel with the 3p claim.
Your reading comprehension is severely lacking if that's what you got out of the words you quoted. You should get that checked out
I think you and I have a very different definition of set up gaming Tom. Both those issue had to do with player actions that did not line up with what they were saying or changed over time. It wasn't about trying to guess any kind of set up.
I'm not retreating. I think it's matters plenty to push a player who was not doing anything other than tunneling one individual and refusing to consider what his own town reads are telling him.
you think kpaca talking about me and lagoon/axel talking about their own claims is the best path to solving this game?
Your reading comprehension is severely lacking if that's what you got out of the words you quoted. You should get that checked out
no i got that question from your whole iso
No idea how Tom. I said time and time again I wanted him to stop talking about you and hunt literally anyone else since at the time pushing you wasn't going anywhere. Those were also pretty early reads....haven't talked much about Lagoon since and dropped Axel with the 3p claim.
you think kpaca talking about me and lagoon/axel talking about their own claims is the best path to solving this game?
Your reading comprehension is severely lacking if that's what you got out of the words you quoted. You should get that checked out
no i got that question from your whole iso
No idea how Tom. I said time and time again I wanted him to stop talking about you and hunt literally anyone else since at the time pushing you wasn't going anywhere. Those were also pretty early reads....haven't talked much about Lagoon since and dropped Axel with the 3p claim.
Voting Tom (when he was faking given I see he stopped) is a waste of time. I want to pay attention to the people who were voting Tom because it's something easy scum can just slip into and no one can really blame you for it.
The second sentence implies tom is town. The parentheses in the first sentence imply Konan wrote this in response to a previous game state, saw it was no longer relevant, but decided to post anyway with only minor adjustments.
I'm siding with Fulcrum on this one.
Self-meta: As scum, it takes me little effort to build cases on pretty much whoever I want. Check Prison Block if interested, especially from Day 2 on, or ask Jackrito and Rodemy how they feel about it.
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tom's vote doesn't feel like a bus. I'll put my previous read of him aside and
Unvote, Vote: Konan.
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Current tentative scumteam is WMU / Konan / Poison, and I don't know who else. Whispy? Joe depending on how he goes about meta-checking me? Some active posters who've been mentioned several times as scummy or not playing to their town meta, but they haven't committed obvious scum tells so I see nothing wrong with them?
And I realise the irony of suspecting players who are siding with me, but I'll gladly be the hill scum die on if that's their wish.
Wait, I must've missed something if Konan said they wanted to look at the people pushing tom but all of their scumreads are people who weren't pushing tom.
I've been saying I wanted to switch my style up, and people scumread me for that, then I decided that I would go back to it since that's really what I can reliably contribute (I'm good at being town, I suck at finding scum) so now I'm back here and I start taking it a bit slower and it starts again.
sorry it's irritating.
Are you saying you're switching back to your old style permanently? I thought you were having success with your change in general.
If it makes you feel better, I'm taking it easy this game and already explained why. None of my reads am I willing to hang my hat on right now, including yours.
Not really looking to discuss it with you either, honestly. If you are invested in changing my mind, it'll happen by me just watching you.
A lot of what you're saying about me is just how I play. It's how I've always played.
You've played with me enough to know this, I think Sloth.
could do without the shade here though.
We've played <not a big nor small number> of games together, and in that time I don't think I've played you with your rapid-question gimmick, nor with the other things I've brought up. Feel free to refresh my memory, but not seeing why you'd make this assumption.
No I will not be reverting permanantly. I plan to take this game pretty slow mostly.
I think most of this was wayward frustration about recent games that has nothing to do with you. Sorry about that.
Anywho, Konan's entrance was not great. I'm never usuaually a fan of note drops.
I think I'm willing to Vote Konan
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I would bet a tiny, tiny amount of money that if Konan claims, I will be able to call their alignment.
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I guess I could vote there to make that happen more quickly. Meh.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Wait a second, my whole case was that Konan was coming to ZDS's aid because they are scum buddies. That's means we should lynch ZDS first and if I'm an idiot, then I need to re-evaluate my opinion on Konan.
Right, so you believed that you could probably find mafia in the people opportunistucally pushing on tom. And at the same time, you decided you needed to stop more people from pushing on tom for some reason, without having even caught up enough to know if the pressure had changed Tom's behavior. You're saying you deliberately sabotaged your idea for scumhunting (by giving advice to, Tubba, the person you thought most likely to be the scum pushing tom) and you did it because you wanted to be on the right side of this when we eventually figured out tom isn't mafia. Did I get that right?
If there's any doubt here, friends, please look and see how Konan just assumed tom was town in all of this.
Vote: Konan
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Last, I'm not sold on ZDS's defense being towny, beyond the general chill vibe from it.
Voting Tom (when he was faking given I see he stopped) is a waste of time. I want to pay attention to the people who were voting Tom because it's something easy scum can just slip into and no one can really blame you for it.
The second sentence implies tom is town. The parentheses in the first sentence imply Konan wrote this in response to a previous game state, saw it was no longer relevant, but decided to post anyway with only minor adjustments.
I'm siding with Fulcrum on this one.
Self-meta: As scum, it takes me little effort to build cases on pretty much whoever I want. Check Prison Block if interested, especially from Day 2 on, or ask Jackrito and Rodemy how they feel about it.
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tom's vote doesn't feel like a bus. I'll put my previous read of him aside and
Unvote, Vote: Konan.
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Current tentative scumteam is WMU / Konan / Poison, and I don't know who else. Whispy? Joe depending on how he goes about meta-checking me? Some active posters who've been mentioned several times as scummy or not playing to their town meta, but they haven't committed obvious scum tells so I see nothing wrong with them?
And I realise the irony of suspecting players who are siding with me, but I'll gladly be the hill scum die on if that's their wish.
I've been saying I wanted to switch my style up, and people scumread me for that, then I decided that I would go back to it since that's really what I can reliably contribute (I'm good at being town, I suck at finding scum) so now I'm back here and I start taking it a bit slower and it starts again.
sorry it's irritating.
Are you saying you're switching back to your old style permanently? I thought you were having success with your change in general.
If it makes you feel better, I'm taking it easy this game and already explained why. None of my reads am I willing to hang my hat on right now, including yours.
Not really looking to discuss it with you either, honestly. If you are invested in changing my mind, it'll happen by me just watching you.
A lot of what you're saying about me is just how I play. It's how I've always played.
You've played with me enough to know this, I think Sloth.
could do without the shade here though.
We've played <not a big nor small number> of games together, and in that time I don't think I've played you with your rapid-question gimmick, nor with the other things I've brought up. Feel free to refresh my memory, but not seeing why you'd make this assumption.
No I will not be reverting permanantly. I plan to take this game pretty slow mostly.
I think most of this was wayward frustration about recent games that has nothing to do with you. Sorry about that.
Anywho, Konan's entrance was not great. I'm never usuaually a fan of note drops.
I think I'm willing to Vote Konan
Wait a second, my whole case was that Konan was coming to ZDS's aid because they are scum buddies. That's means we should lynch ZDS first and if I'm an idiot, then I need to re-evaluate my opinion on Konan.
In the meantime, I see no problem with those two being the main wagons.
i don't have any issues with fonti's vote. i'm not 100% sure that i agree with it, but i buy that she believes her reasoning and that it's a vote made in good faith
tom's the second vote on the wagon and explicitly votes to sheep. there was a ~decent time gap between fonti and tom's votes which i think makes this closer to NAI than anything else. loltom
ZDS's vote i have issues with. it was fairly quick after tom's and provides a relatively weak turnaround read on tom in order to justify voting the largest non-ZDS wagon. normally this is the sort of read i'd have to temper with like "wagoning on d1 is meaningless when we're this far out from deadline" but that's the beauty of majority vote, i guess. i think this vote is relatively flimsy and serves largely to lend momentum to a wagon that isn't ZDS. don't like.
dunno what to make of lagoon's. could you explain what you mean when you say ZDS's vote is bussy?
killjoy is your vote on konan solely due to his entrance or are you taking fonti's case into account as well? just seems like a weird reason to place a vote there given that it's not why the wagon initially formed. furthermore, did you take issue with the actual content of his intro posts? or do you simply dislike the format?
50% of the votes on this wagon are basically naked smh. my previous townread of terraine tempers this take and i... don't actually think this particular post is one a wolf makes to dogpile onto a wagon, it's just weirding me out. maybe a culture clash thing idk.
Anyway back to the game: Nothing I say implies Tom is town. In fact I was trying to say Tom is nullest of nulls because of his gif posting. Saying that scum can jump on tom because it is an excuse does not imply that tom is town and I don't understand how you would get to that answer yourself. The whole base of the idea that I am also scum because I wanted to get the jump on a tom townread is...interesting? Sure in theory it is a good idea to get a jump on a popular or influential player but tom isn't that. There's no way I can believe that someone thought the idea that went through my head as scum is trying to get a headstart on townreading tom of all players here.
Anyway back to the game: Nothing I say implies Tom is town. In fact I was trying to say Tom is nullest of nulls because of his gif posting. Saying that scum can jump on tom because it is an excuse does not imply that tom is town and I don't understand how you would get to that answer yourself. The whole base of the idea that I am also scum because I wanted to get the jump on a tom townread is...interesting? Sure in theory it is a good idea to get a jump on a popular or influential player but tom isn't that. There's no way I can believe that someone thought the idea that went through my head as scum is trying to get a headstart on townreading tom of all players here.
i'm pretty sure the implication that your (apparent) implicit assumption of tom's alignment was indicative of TMI
ftr i currently have no stance on whether or not that's true and need to reread the sequence in question
Saying that scum can jump on tom because it is an excuse does not imply that tom is town and I don't understand how you would get to that answer yourself.
You don't understand hwo someone could think that if scum are happy to jump on someone, that someone is more likely to be town than not?
Anyway back to the game: Nothing I say implies Tom is town. In fact I was trying to say Tom is nullest of nulls because of his gif posting. Saying that scum can jump on tom because it is an excuse does not imply that tom is town and I don't understand how you would get to that answer yourself. The whole base of the idea that I am also scum because I wanted to get the jump on a tom townread is...interesting? Sure in theory it is a good idea to get a jump on a popular or influential player but tom isn't that. There's no way I can believe that someone thought the idea that went through my head as scum is trying to get a headstart on townreading tom of all players here.
i'm pretty sure the implication that your (apparent) implicit assumption of tom's alignment was indicative of TMI
ftr i currently have no stance on whether or not that's true and need to reread the sequence in question
I understand what people are trying to implicate. I don't see how they got there. If saying 'Scum are more likely to jump on x' is what they're trying to say implicates me than...what? That would make so many random statements come off as strange. It's trying to look at something that isn't there.
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That's all fair.
I think what you're missing is that Tom is playing for Tom to have fun, and will do it regardless of his alignment. He used gifs and tried to express his reads through them because that's what he found fun. I think you're being a little unfair when you say he's contributing nothing: he did give some reads, and the Terraine was /a/ take, though admittedly not one I found particularly useful.
I think this is something we can talk about after the game, but right now, I don't think anything actually frustrating you about tom is alignment indicative, and I think tom is more likely step it up on his own, if he's town, if he's given space. Like, right now he's just getting more and more obstinate in response to you trying to shove a yeet onto him.
I also think you personally, if you are town, are getting so into your tom tunnel that it's affecting all your other reads, and hurting your ability to solve. Like, we're talking about this right now, and you're being frustrated with me, and instead we could be talking about my clearly awesome case on Konan. Or, if I'm you think I'm wrong on Konan, we could be talking about that here, and I could be the one getting pulled out of a tunnel (I don't think that's going to happen, but a woman can dream, heh).
Do you get what I'm saying?
I mean...people have been super GD sarcastic to me through most of the game. I dish it back and I'm condescending.
But fine I'll tone it down.
I just went back a little i see no sign konan is trying to figure me out
vote konan
Its a dumb question. Technically the answer is "i was gonna roleplay because by setup its harry potter characters that know theyre in a mafia game but then osi randed me <some ******** without any lines>" but actually the answer is "i wanted to"
No idea how Tom. I said time and time again I wanted him to stop talking about you and hunt literally anyone else since at the time pushing you wasn't going anywhere. Those were also pretty early reads....haven't talked much about Lagoon since and dropped Axel with the 3p claim.
EBWOP
If I understand correctly the gist of Konan vs Fulcrum is:
The second sentence implies tom is town. The parentheses in the first sentence imply Konan wrote this in response to a previous game state, saw it was no longer relevant, but decided to post anyway with only minor adjustments.
I'm siding with Fulcrum on this one.
Self-meta: As scum, it takes me little effort to build cases on pretty much whoever I want. Check Prison Block if interested, especially from Day 2 on, or ask Jackrito and Rodemy how they feel about it.
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tom's vote doesn't feel like a bus. I'll put my previous read of him aside and
Unvote, Vote: Konan.
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Current tentative scumteam is WMU / Konan / Poison, and I don't know who else. Whispy? Joe depending on how he goes about meta-checking me? Some active posters who've been mentioned several times as scummy or not playing to their town meta, but they haven't committed obvious scum tells so I see nothing wrong with them?
And I realise the irony of suspecting players who are siding with me, but I'll gladly be the hill scum die on if that's their wish.
At a glance?
1. TerRaine
2. Ampharos
3. fulcrum
4. Rodemy
5. Jackrito
6. gooLagoon
7. Slothful
8. Killjoy
9. TheRealStinkyJoeTerry
10. tomsloger
11. Lastwhisper
12. Zionite
13. Fuwa
14. xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx
15. Poison Chan
16. Tubba Fett
17. kpaca
18. shadowlancerx/konan
19. ZeDorkSlipeur
3P
1. Axelrod
Vote Konan
I at least see the whole "assuming tom is town" thing. And ZDS' post felt a little bussy, but there's bound to be some confbias there.
I think most of this was wayward frustration about recent games that has nothing to do with you. Sorry about that.
Anywho, Konan's entrance was not great. I'm never usuaually a fan of note drops.
I think I'm willing to Vote Konan
/shrug
Feels about right.
whats ur read on Fonti again?
**** outta here with that, "I would just lurk"
unvote:
tunnel mode activated
FOnti paranoia is hitting me like a truck right now
Tubba
Killjoy
Rod
after thinking about it, the 3 above are the ones I am most against lynching day 1
Let the paranoia flow through you. Fear the pocket.
Sorry guys, today just exhausted me.
Konan (6) - fulcrum, tom, zds, lagoon, kj terr
Zds (3) - Rodemy, JoeTerry, Jackrito
tom (2) - kpaca, Tubba
Rodemy (1) - Zionite
Slothful (1) - Fuwa
Zionite (1) - Ampharos
gooLagoon (1) - Konan
Kpaca (1) - last
Not voting: Axelrod, Poison Chan, Slothful, xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx
this konan wagon swelled up way faster than i would have expected and i need to look at some stuff to see how i feel about it
welcome to the game tom. thanks for giving me one more slot to read, ********
sloth not voting feels kinda wack
wakemeup in particular needs to start playing the game, she keeps almost being here but then she isn't
these rapid fire thoughts brought to you by my adhd
Vote ZDS
Not quite a tie but close.
tom's the second vote on the wagon and explicitly votes to sheep. there was a ~decent time gap between fonti and tom's votes which i think makes this closer to NAI than anything else. loltom
ZDS's vote i have issues with. it was fairly quick after tom's and provides a relatively weak turnaround read on tom in order to justify voting the largest non-ZDS wagon. normally this is the sort of read i'd have to temper with like "wagoning on d1 is meaningless when we're this far out from deadline" but that's the beauty of majority vote, i guess. i think this vote is relatively flimsy and serves largely to lend momentum to a wagon that isn't ZDS. don't like.
dunno what to make of lagoon's. could you explain what you mean when you say ZDS's vote is bussy?
killjoy is your vote on konan solely due to his entrance or are you taking fonti's case into account as well? just seems like a weird reason to place a vote there given that it's not why the wagon initially formed. furthermore, did you take issue with the actual content of his intro posts? or do you simply dislike the format?
50% of the votes on this wagon are basically naked smh. my previous townread of terraine tempers this take and i... don't actually think this particular post is one a wolf makes to dogpile onto a wagon, it's just weirding me out. maybe a culture clash thing idk.
majority vote d1 is weird
holy ***** i'm pumped now i don't think we've ever played together before lmao
and either way i'm fairly sure i got socked in the gut by work and had to sub out of it
jack, what specifically about sloth's pushes would you describe as "aggro"?
because i'm in his iso and i was about to call him out for being too reasonable/agreeable/passive/whatever
ftr i currently have no stance on whether or not that's true and need to reread the sequence in question