I may be just jack tunneled. His unami push is fake af and his handling of zds is nonsense
I suppose those things can come from town but certainly not the good towny i saw last game pre-zds manipulation
So the world where hes town is kind of a sad one where zds broke his spirit a little
And their interaction this game essentially stockholm syndrome
But im also in no mood to doubt my strong gut reads rn
lets lynch sloth since right now he has the most votes and see what toNight brings us. we are gonna have a ******* hard time now that the scum have a great pool to shoot into, and an alive role blocker if we don't lynch it today.
@Vaimes, why don't YOU wanna lynch sloth?
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I may be just jack tunneled. His unami push is fake af and his handling of zds is nonsense
I suppose those things can come from town but certainly not the good towny i saw last game pre-zds manipulation
So the world where hes town is kind of a sad one where zds broke his spirit a little
And their interaction this game essentially stockholm syndrome
But im also in no mood to doubt my strong gut reads rn
I never claimed to be strong as town, so my spirit was not broken, really not sure what so many saw last game. I also find the expecations that I should be more paranoid of ZDS when everyone town read him so weird. Said this multiple times but I'm going to judge him off play he is not going to be scum every game, so just being paranoid at him and never follow him is just a throw. I was going to worry about him more in the late game.
@Rod: not to give scum advice, but realistically, even with the confirms they can’t shoot anyone safely but me, and that still means they need to deal with GJ. Especially since I can still elect to protect him on a whim.
@Rod: not to give scum advice, but realistically, even with the confirms they can’t shoot anyone safely but me, and that still means they need to deal with GJ. Especially since I can still elect to protect him on a whim.
Oh i get that.
But if we lynch the RB we will have a SIGNIFICANT advantage considering. I'm just being hopeful.
Lynch sloth plz.
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lets lynch sloth since right now he has the most votes and see what toNight brings us. we are gonna have a ******* hard time now that the scum have a great pool to shoot into, and an alive role blocker if we don't lynch it today.
Jack you were my second townread after tubba in prison
You were solvey and nimble
I cant see that as anything but the exact opposite of your umami read.
Hell ive isoed you like 3 times and i barely know why youre scumreading her only that youve told us its a tunnel.
How is that not, if i may borrow a silly term from prison, objectively wolfy?
How do you keep saying shes your strongest scumread and not caring what others think of her?
Either to convince them or to understand why they think shes town?
Lets just leave zds out of it. Im not saying you should have been paranoid im saying you should have thought about it at all. But sure maybe you were waiting
Sloth's a good shot if he ends up being townfirmed, but Whisp's a better shot for potential scum.
Yeah vaimes why are you voting Jack? You started with Whisp after the shot which i get... but then jack and not sloth? You have not mentioned jack in.. ever?
Where did that come from?
And Whisp, relax. I was confused. Not a good reply though. Just saying.
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Yeah vaimes why are you voting Jack? You started with Whisp after the shot which i get... but then jack and not sloth? You have not mentioned jack in.. ever?
Where did that come from?
And Whisp, relax. I was confused. Not a good reply though. Just saying.
I did mention Jack was a good "figuring out the game" shot.
Yeah vaimes why are you voting Jack? You started with Whisp after the shot which i get... but then jack and not sloth? You have not mentioned jack in.. ever?
Where did that come from?
And Whisp, relax. I was confused. Not a good reply though. Just saying.
I did mention Jack was a good "figuring out the game" shot.
You did but, you were more adamant about sloth and whisper after that, not even mentioning a read or anything on jack. and suddenly your "might be a good info shot" turns into a scum read? where the **** did that come from and why not vote sloth in this Jack/sloth debate?
You were more adamant on killing Last or Sloth after that side note about jack. So if not whisper why not sloth?
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I don't really care who gets lynched out of Jackrito/Sloth/Last. When the shot was first claimed, I think I said Jack would be a good info shot, and then as people posted their PoEs I was like, well whatever Sloth is a fine kill, Last is a fine kill.
I have a reads list and it pretty much is useless..
I think Vaimes and Sloth are potential mislynches and I have both as null now. I think rodemy is scum and his list makes me feel better about both. Jack is the obvious vote and I think leaving him around (just because?) is silly. Defaulting to a sloth lynch because he's not around is poor play.
lets lynch sloth since right now he has the most votes and see what toNight brings us. we are gonna have a ******* hard time now that the scum have a great pool to shoot into, and an alive role blocker if we don't lynch it today.
@Vaimes, why don't YOU wanna lynch sloth?
So pushy...
Like let's just do this mislynch first and then we'll figure out the rest later
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Ok trying to enter rod brain a little...
Wish me luck
If vaimes is scum perhaps hes "feeling worse" about me because he knows tubba is town. It might make sense in his head because afaik ive never been wrong in tubba before (and ftr im not now regardless of his alignment because i have no read) but the logic falls down a little if hes not townreading tubba...
Even in rod brain im not sure how those quotes imply a strong townread.
But it is *a townread*
So if hes not feeling good about tubba
Or bad about me
How did that progression happen?
I agree that, in a vacuum, scum!Vaimes would take advantage of you misreading Tubba and push you for it. But probably not this early, because lolTMI. Also because yes, I am not townreading Tubba, but it's more an absence of a townread than a scumread. I have no idea how Tubba plays as scum, but I doubt his scumrange and townrange are wildly different.
I don't really understand the "So if he's not feeling good about Tubba or bad about me, how did that progression happen?" I don't know what progression you're talking about -- me feeling worse about you? Or worse about Tubba? Because I don't feel worse about you, and Tubba is kind of a meh shrug loltom vote.
I have a reads list and it pretty much is useless..
I think Vaimes and Sloth are potential mislynches and I have both as null now. I think rodemy is scum and his list makes me feel better about both. Jack is the obvious vote and I think leaving him around (just because?) is silly. Defaulting to a sloth lynch because he's not around is poor play.
vote Jack
Did you read my case on sloth? BecAuse there is a reason I am voting sloth.
your read on me is very out of the blue considering you have been mostly absent this game.
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Tom, since you're around and I don't know roles at baseline, what scum roles besides roleblocker could be out there/would be powerful? What's the active/passive distribution?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I have a reads list and it pretty much is useless..
I think Vaimes and Sloth are potential mislynches and I have both as null now. I think rodemy is scum and his list makes me feel better about both. Jack is the obvious vote and I think leaving him around (just because?) is silly. Defaulting to a sloth lynch because he's not around is poor play.
vote Jack
Did you read my case on sloth? BecAuse there is a reason I am voting sloth.
your read on me is very out of the blue considering you have been mostly absent this game.
I've read your posts, I've just disagreed with a lot of your arguments this entire game and my read list has been very different than you. I wanted tom to be bad but our read lists were way to similar. I doubted my early read on Tubba because of LW and I shouldn't have ever doubted. Right now, you're trying to set me up because you know Jack is bad and you're trying to create other plausible teams and create distance. It's actually a really funny argument because you're essentially saying I bussed both Tubba and Jack right from the start. I have anote from April 27, 2020 at 9:01 p.m. that says "Tubba/Rod Jack; ZDS still sketch, add sloth to that list"
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Tom, since you're around and I don't know roles at baseline, what scum roles besides roleblocker could be out there/would be powerful? What's the active/passive distribution?
pretty near infinite possibilities tbh
Id expect them to have an info role of some kind that... isnt really doing anything because lol everybody claiming
Probably something with twilight. Maybe thats just kj. Maybe thats something unknown. Hell maybe the roleblocker has to target in twilight.
I think more ways of messing with town PRs beyond the rb is possible. Maybe a passive one like bulletproof for rhands role or ninja/strongman for gj/shadow but its limited shot so they didnt use it n1
Least likely is more kills i think? We got one (rhand), they got one extremely conditional one (tubba)
Those are both decent sized momentum swings so any other killing roll would be surprising
(Dont think KJs role is part of this since it doesnt change lylo math.)
Like i knew he wasnt claiming anything because he started talking about wanting to die d1...
But i didnt think he actually claimed vanilla til rhand was talking about shooting
No mention of VT or Vanilla anywhere in Jack's iso ???
IDK Why is a jack train growing and a sloth train growing, at the exact same time is such a turn off for you
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Name: Fanthile
Flavor: The Secretary of the Palace
Role: Town Vanilla
Tubba went after last/umami like he didnt care what lynches came out. That moment (tubbas first few posts iirc, but definitely early day 1) feels like all agenda. And i think theyre probably both town in a vacuum.
Outside of that umami is blindingly towny and last pings my wolfdar (as he always does. @rodemy i learn to ignore that and try to read him other ways)
But anyway im using my status to put last a tier above jack/sloth in the poe.
Probably kj too
I suppose those things can come from town but certainly not the good towny i saw last game pre-zds manipulation
So the world where hes town is kind of a sad one where zds broke his spirit a little
And their interaction this game essentially stockholm syndrome
But im also in no mood to doubt my strong gut reads rn
I do think this is a better shot for scum. Yes I’m slightly waffling. It’s okay.
@Tom: fwiw, I don’t know if Axel getting the successful BG off would have happened if we hadn’t lynched Tubba, but yes, good job on your reads.
Jack-3
People on jack, do you wanna move to sloth instead? Explain why not if so.
While I think sloth is a wolf with maximum disrespect
@Vaimes, why don't YOU wanna lynch sloth?
I never claimed to be strong as town, so my spirit was not broken, really not sure what so many saw last game. I also find the expecations that I should be more paranoid of ZDS when everyone town read him so weird. Said this multiple times but I'm going to judge him off play he is not going to be scum every game, so just being paranoid at him and never follow him is just a throw. I was going to worry about him more in the late game.
Oh i get that.
But if we lynch the RB we will have a SIGNIFICANT advantage considering. I'm just being hopeful.
Lynch sloth plz.
Idk see how my post is TMI? I was just making pointing out stuff
You were solvey and nimble
I cant see that as anything but the exact opposite of your umami read.
Hell ive isoed you like 3 times and i barely know why youre scumreading her only that youve told us its a tunnel.
How is that not, if i may borrow a silly term from prison, objectively wolfy?
How do you keep saying shes your strongest scumread and not caring what others think of her?
Either to convince them or to understand why they think shes town?
Lets just leave zds out of it. Im not saying you should have been paranoid im saying you should have thought about it at all. But sure maybe you were waiting
Justify your umami stance
Yeah vaimes why are you voting Jack? You started with Whisp after the shot which i get... but then jack and not sloth? You have not mentioned jack in.. ever?
Where did that come from?
And Whisp, relax. I was confused. Not a good reply though. Just saying.
I feel like this is one of those, no matter how I would respond you would just say that anyways because it's you
you know me so well <3
But nah i wanna focus on vaimes again because it's kinda fun to poke the bear, especially when the bear is scummy.
You did but, you were more adamant about sloth and whisper after that, not even mentioning a read or anything on jack. and suddenly your "might be a good info shot" turns into a scum read? where the **** did that come from and why not vote sloth in this Jack/sloth debate?
You were more adamant on killing Last or Sloth after that side note about jack. So if not whisper why not sloth?
It most certainly isn't. I wanna know why jack is more scummy than sloth in your world, when you pushed a whisper/sloth shot.
If someone else wants to know, I'd be happy to answer.
Well that's just peachy.
Gonna just ignore a perfectly good question there because.. i'm asking it?
I don't really care who gets lynched out of Jackrito/Sloth/Last. When the shot was first claimed, I think I said Jack would be a good info shot, and then as people posted their PoEs I was like, well whatever Sloth is a fine kill, Last is a fine kill.
I think Vaimes and Sloth are potential mislynches and I have both as null now. I think rodemy is scum and his list makes me feel better about both. Jack is the obvious vote and I think leaving him around (just because?) is silly. Defaulting to a sloth lynch because he's not around is poor play.
vote Jack
I did have tom as a townlean but ngl it's nice having him pseudoflip.
So pushy...
Like let's just do this mislynch first and then we'll figure out the rest later
She wanted to tell him that it was all okay, that there was nothing really to worry about, that the universe was a terrible, utterly uncaring place and then people came along and added suffering and injustice to the mix as well and it was all so much worse than he could imagine and she knew because she had studied it and lived it, even if just a little. You could make it better but it was a messy process and then you just had to try – you were obliged, duty-bound to try – to be sure that you did the right thing. Sometimes that meant using SC, and, well, there you were. She scratched her head.
Anyway, of course they worried they were doing the wrong thing. Everybody she’d ever met in SC entertained such thoughts. And of course they satisfied themselves they were doing the right thing. Obviously they must, or they wouldn’t be in SC doing what they were doing in the first place, would they?
Maybe he knew all this anyway. Part of her suspected that the guy was an SC agent too, or something similar; part of Contact, perhaps, or somebody sent by the ship, or by one of the Minds overseeing the Morthanveld situation, just to be on the safe side. Nearly cracking her skull with a solid wooden ball was one crude way of checking she had been properly disarmed.
She left the final Za’s Revenge sitting on the bar, undrunk. “We’re all the ******* Peace Faction, you prick,” she muttered as she staggered away.
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Not Voting - 4 (Grapefruit21, Gentleman Johnny, Slothful, Killjoy)
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Did you read my case on sloth? BecAuse there is a reason I am voting sloth.
your read on me is very out of the blue considering you have been mostly absent this game.
Hmmm.
vote jack
I wanna see this play out now.
Unvote
Jack is claimed vanilla right?
I've read your posts, I've just disagreed with a lot of your arguments this entire game and my read list has been very different than you. I wanted tom to be bad but our read lists were way to similar. I doubted my early read on Tubba because of LW and I shouldn't have ever doubted. Right now, you're trying to set me up because you know Jack is bad and you're trying to create other plausible teams and create distance. It's actually a really funny argument because you're essentially saying I bussed both Tubba and Jack right from the start. I have anote from April 27, 2020 at 9:01 p.m. that says "Tubba/Rod Jack; ZDS still sketch, add sloth to that list"
Vote Lastwhisper
Last hasn't engaged in this game yet.I feel like twon him would have done so by now.
I agree.
vote sloth
I think it’s between last vaimes and sloth for the last 3. Throw umami in there in one flips town.
game solved, let’s go home boys.
Id expect them to have an info role of some kind that... isnt really doing anything because lol everybody claiming
Probably something with twilight. Maybe thats just kj. Maybe thats something unknown. Hell maybe the roleblocker has to target in twilight.
I think more ways of messing with town PRs beyond the rb is possible. Maybe a passive one like bulletproof for rhands role or ninja/strongman for gj/shadow but its limited shot so they didnt use it n1
Least likely is more kills i think? We got one (rhand), they got one extremely conditional one (tubba)
Those are both decent sized momentum swings so any other killing roll would be surprising
(Dont think KJs role is part of this since it doesnt change lylo math.)
But i didnt think he actually claimed vanilla til rhand was talking about shooting
And just like Sorcerer Mafia it's killing my wim to care
That might get you engaged.
IDK Why is a jack train growing and a sloth train growing, at the exact same time is such a turn off for you
@Shadow
I am just a VT
Name: Fanthile
Flavor: The Secretary of the Palace
Role: Town Vanilla
Outside of that umami is blindingly towny and last pings my wolfdar (as he always does. @rodemy i learn to ignore that and try to read him other ways)
But anyway im using my status to put last a tier above jack/sloth in the poe.
Probably kj too
After that we can talk about it