“Anyway. I think now we’ll return you to your quarters. There is a ship leaving in half a day that will take you in the direction of Xide Hyrlis. I shall arrange your passage.”
The view from the craft tipped all around them as it flipped over, banking steeply. Holse closed his eyes and swayed, even though he was seated. Beside Ferbin, the surface of the wine in his glass barely trembled.
“Your sibling,” the director general said as Ferbin watched the whole world tilt about them.
“My sibling,” Ferbin said.
“She is Seriy Anaplian.”
“That sounds like the name.”
“She, too, is of Special Circumstances, dear prince.”
“Apparently. What of it, ma’am?”
“That is a great deal of good connection for one family, let alone one person.”
“I shan’t refuse any portion, if good it is.”
“Hmm. It does occur to me that, no matter how distant, she may have heard about your father and the other recent events from your home level, which of course includes the news of your supposed death.”
“May she?”
“As I say, news osmoses. And where news is concerned, the Culture is of a very low pressure.”
@tom why would you think it's scummy from me? ("it can be all 3 tbh")
Like you've seen me play both alignments. When have I ever not cared?
the game where you were scum and then again here...
...how are you defining care? I tried hard that game. I came up with reads, was active, got other players mislynched, fought like hell against my lynch. I am not a lazy nor inactive player by nature.
M7/Sloth:M7 made a total of 6 posts in one week and managed to say nothing in any of them. Quite literally expressed zero opinions about anyone or anything game related, even in jest. Impressive. I am currently wondering how anyone town read him for this, because I seem to recall some people did?
Sloth came in at #715 with energy, but also hasn't expressed much in the way of opinion since. Has made lots of promises though. His only hot take is that I am scum. :/ He doesn't like how I drove the ITF wagon with bad reasoning. He then missed the lynch. He also has yet to say anything about what has been going on this game day except to ask the question "what's a jailkeeper?"
So, he's scum or just really, really lazy and doesn't care.
Saw this in passing: Like, I know I don't know you and you don't know me, but bull***** that this analysis would lead you to a "scum" conclusion lol.
Lazy/doesn't care, sure, but def not NAI (unless, again, you're trying to make them scummy )
You saw how that was an either/or possibility, yes? So, what you're actually saying is, I'm not wrong.
I'll try to have something to say re: Rodemy before this twilight is over, but then that will probably be it until tomorrow.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
M7/Sloth:M7 made a total of 6 posts in one week and managed to say nothing in any of them. Quite literally expressed zero opinions about anyone or anything game related, even in jest. Impressive. I am currently wondering how anyone town read him for this, because I seem to recall some people did?
Sloth came in at #715 with energy, but also hasn't expressed much in the way of opinion since. Has made lots of promises though. His only hot take is that I am scum. :/ He doesn't like how I drove the ITF wagon with bad reasoning. He then missed the lynch. He also has yet to say anything about what has been going on this game day except to ask the question "what's a jailkeeper?"
So, he's scum or just really, really lazy and doesn't care.
Saw this in passing: Like, I know I don't know you and you don't know me, but bull***** that this analysis would lead you to a "scum" conclusion lol.
Lazy/doesn't care, sure, but def not NAI (unless, again, you're trying to make them scummy )
You saw how that was an either/or possibility, yes? So, what you're actually saying is, I'm not wrong.
I'll try to have something to say re: Rodemy before this twilight is over, but then that will probably be it until tomorrow.
i am town. No need to go any further <3
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
@tom why would you think it's scummy from me? ("it can be all 3 tbh")
Like you've seen me play both alignments. When have I ever not cared?
the game where you were scum and then again here...
...how are you defining care? I tried hard that game. I came up with reads, was active, got other players mislynched, fought like hell against my lynch. I am not a lazy nor inactive player by nature.
you should perhaps keep in mind i read ~nothing after yall killed me if you stopped sucking at some point
But there are leagues of difference between <here and that game> vs <prison and mcu>
Sloth came in at #715 with energy, but also hasn't expressed much in the way of opinion since. Has made lots of promises though. His only hot take is that I am scum. :/ He doesn't like how I drove the ITF wagon with bad reasoning. He then missed the lynch. He also has yet to say anything about what has been going on this game day except to ask the question "what's a jailkeeper?"
So, he's scum or just really, really lazy and doesn't care.
Saw this in passing: Like, I know I don't know you and you don't know me, but bull***** that this analysis would lead you to a "scum" conclusion lol.
Lazy/doesn't care, sure, but def not NAI (unless, again, you're trying to make them scummy )
You saw how that was an either/or possibility, yes? So, what you're actually saying is, I'm not wrong.
There, went ahead and fixed that original quote for you so it sounds 'not wrong'.
Yes, I saw the "or": My point was that I don't think I've shown specifically scummy behavior based on the limited content I've provided this game.
Going by the analysis you made on this post, neither should you. Lazy/uncaring makes sense (it's not true, but it makes sense given the info you have), scummy doesn't.
Anyway, I guess part of me making an effort should be to case you at one point rather than just point a vague FoS. Woooooo, fun.
Was late to the game, not arriving until #446, where he voted for me :/ He also appears to have missed the mostly humorous yet still insightful nature of my postings. I didn't notice before, but he seems to have a serious complaint with Umami for "following" my RVS vote on Tom. He argues, quite seriously it appears, that this should mean that Umami has a Town read on me, and attempts to link us. This is absolutely bizarre now that I'm reading it again. Makes literally zero sense.
There's some more not great logic in #554:
I would think if Tom sees tubba as scum, and you hardcore hardcore see Tom as town, you’d follow on his tubba read.
Which is just not how it works. I'd think Rod ought to know that? By now? You've been playing how long?
Has another bad take on Vaimes next. Thinks Vaimes has contradicted himself by saying he had an early Town read on Tom, but then saying the read was not "hardcore" town. This is such a minor thing to get worked up over I note it, and this from someone who doesn't think you need much reason to vote early on D1. Rod goes on to explain/clarify that this comes from perceiving that Vaimes was calling Tom Town until GJ came in with a "hot take" that Tom could be scum, at which point - Rodemy feels - Vaimes dropped Tom down from his Townie list. I don't really see this.
He initially says in #708 that ITF seems fine to him, and then does a very quick 180 (apparently after reading my post on ITF) and says in #710 that he thinks it's a "good start" and votes ITF. The whiplash gets to me, but I guess I don't see much of an angle there as scum either.
He gets a notion about Tom when he has asked Tubba a question and feels Tom has jumped in and answered the question for him.
so I have a thing, 9 out of ten, when people answer questions directed at other people, they are scum.
I caught someone in overwatch mafia doing this and I’ll be damned if I stop now
It's pretty simple. I don't know if it's scummy-simple or not. I do like how he follows it up with Tom to some extant, defending his methods and how he thinks Tom got it the way. There's a minor + because this is Tubba we're talking about.
In #940 he says:
okay i iso'd itf and frankly it is underwhelming. All i see is him stating things that happened and it's very bland. No real thoughts on things. And the read list makes no sense. Shadow is town even though he has barely posted? Come on.
Which is a bit off, in as much as he said in #708 that ITF seemed fine and he couldn't understand why people were voting him, and it was my "case" that he thought was good. Did he initially post that just based on a vague memory of ITF's posts without re-reading them? He will then agree with rhand's assessment that ITF in this game is playing like scum-ITF played in some other game.
Does have Tubba as one of his top suspects at the end of D1 (think Shadow is there also, but I can't remember why).
Says this to Rhand D2:
Considering you used meta to scum read ITF and that didn't work out too well, i'm gonna have to see some harder evidence than this.
Rhand is very suspicious to me due to the case on ITF he pulled from his winterfell game. This post screams "It worked for ITF, maybe it will work for tom"
I don't like it.
Except that he did apparently like and agree with Rhand's meta case at the time, so this seems a strange thing to get on him for.
And then he's basically the only one who currently seems to think that Shadow is the scum between Tubba/Shadow. Because he didn't like how Shadow posted around GJ's hint/claim.
Shadows excitement doesn't feel genuine. His reactions don't feel genuine. His reaction to the question if ZDS is scum was like, 100% more than i expect anyone to give. it feels like a show to me.
Which, is not a great take?
It seems to me that Rodemy, though super personable, is full of bad takes and not great with the logic or the consistency. His style is reminiscent of Last, which makes him very hard to read. I definitely can't Town read him though. He's going in the bottom half, at least for the time being.
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From my perspective, rodemy has seemed relatively rodemy-like
Most notably pushing me for a new really dumb thing each day, which is so rodemy it hurts
But im really seeing his "going against the grain" today as intentional. He doesnt even have a rodemy reason afaict hes just being different for the sake of it
Which
Might be the advice id give rodemy if we were partners.
He ends going against the grain a lot as town
But idk
Just not seeing the belief here.
Hi, I am sorry I didn't check in much Friday. I was trying to go back over the week to come up with stuff but didn't really.
The other person that wanted Jack, but didn't really budge was Grape. But he did actually end up voting him along tom, so it's just as null. I wish I had more to produce in case the game of chicken tonight ends with me dead, but I guess we will see.
Obviously, if Tubba flips town, I probably die tonight 100%. Look at tom/Grape/KJ as my dying request.
If the mafia has a way to negate shadow's protection, Johnny dies toNight for sure. Then shadow, then [any other PR revealed/confirmed by then, if any], then [any remaining confirmed townie, including me].
If the mafia needs to play around shadow, the resulting mindgames mean any of the confirmed townies may die (shadow, Johnny, myself), with a small chance of a non-confirmed townie being hit to guarantee a kill (this isn't a great long-term strategy however).
Since there's a non-zero chance I end up on the losing end of some mindgames, here's my current readslist for posterity (ignore it entirely if Tubba flips town):
Whispy is mainly scummy by association and gets roughly cleared if KJ is scum. Thus I expect the team to be Tubba/Rhand/(Killjoy or Whispy)/???.
Scum #4 should be in the "Somewhat likely Town" group, in other words someone who is currently blindsiding me. Flips, wagons, interactions and so on will help me sort this group, if I live long enough for it to matter.
Axelrod would be lower on the list, null at most, if not for one crucial detail: I can't imagine him greenlighting the NK on me, when he knows better than to run headfirst into a protection and needs me alive to WIFOM-justify his own survival.
Grapefruit is in there because I like his posts individually, especially after he started fully focusing on this game, but I agree his stances and votes are nothing to write home about.
Jack is a bit of a gamble on my part, I see the case on him but I don't think it's strong and I find more coherent to see him as a somewhat lost townie.
Sloth does not have a lot going on either way, but he did signal interest in Tubba long before the claim situation, which I'm counting as a point in his favour. It could also very easily be some basic distancing. It's another gamble.
tom seems like he is trying to figure out the game for real and isn't just making empty artificially-solvey posts. It's a weak read but it's there. He also gets nearly townfirmed if there are 2 or more scum in the KJ/Vaimes/Whispy group.
Vaimes is obviously sheeping a lot and having very little impact, but like I said in a previous post he's not constantly fluttering by and anti-spewing, unlike in Prison Block.
I'm not sure what you were expecting. If you think there's something gamebreaking here I am ignoring, please feel free to say so.
I was expecting a clearer view on the players, not some null or non-commital reads. With these you could definitely be high-effort scum drowning the town with uncertainty. Not that I believe this, but the pattern of wishy-washiness is definitely a negative in my view.
Tom: You wanted to wait to lynch your comfScum until a later time because.. reasons. That's not dumb to think you are scum for this. In MY world, if shadow IS scum, you were holding off to get a mislynch in and NOT get your scum partner lynched the next day.
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I mean its dumb because i at all points knew i wouldnt effect the lynch today, am unaligned with shadow anyway, and because tubba is probably about to flip scum
I think I'm gonna just fully catch up over night. I think that's the problem here.
@tom I included you because I was specifically looking for interactions with the wagon. You saying you didn't want anything to do with it is very relevant.
I probably didn't catch all relevant posts because I didn't know the wagon was 600 posts long. I skimmed. I'm sorry for that.
@zds I guess I can see why you think that from your perspective. I'm not, but there's no reason you'd know that.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I mean its dumb because i at all points knew i wouldnt effect the lynch today, am unaligned with shadow anyway, and because tubba is probably about to flip scum
YOU COULD HAVE ******* HAMMERED
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Like, you think tubba is scum, yet didn’t want to lynch him. You think shadow was town, yet didn’t wanna lynch tubba. How the **** is it dumb to think your are scum?
If shadow IS scum, you are aligned with him so hard. Not hammering tubba because later in the game you will just use the vote counts to prove points and just ignore the fact you were pushing the wagon too. (You’ve done this before as scum, I am 100% certain. I think it was some sort of magical mafia thing. I was constantly yelling about it)
If tubba is scum, you are also aligned with him because YOU DIDN’T WANNA LYNCH HIM even though you were sure he was scum. It’s the most untowny thing I have seen. Like blatantly scummy which is something you would do ( example: same game. You made people jump wagons for some reason in a super scummy way, and you got away with it)
I don’t understand you, right now, Tom.
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Regardless of my alignment i believe my mafia theory is correct.
If im scum my intention was somewhere between being right in a way that didnt effect my wincon and making town feel bad about themselves later.
There are literal zero worlds where i was trying to change the outcome here. Because im not stupid.
When this game is over ill be no less pleased with a loss that could have been a win if more people listened to me than i would be with winning. I remain a selfish ******** and its not towny.
But it remains a ***** reason to push me.
Tom. You didn’t want to lynch tubba today, even though you believed he was scum. That puts you hardcore in a team with him.
What kind of moron scum would so blatantly align themselves with him on so weak a reason?
nono, im still right.
Im almost excited for us to never get anything else out of our PRs this game ima be so smug about it
Course you are but it makes no difference as far as reading you. I'm telling Rodemy that if this is all he has for a "tom is scum" case, then what he has is nothing.
Now hush, tom. I'm speaking for you.
If shadow IS scum, you are aligned with him so hard. Not hammering tubba because later in the game you will just use the vote counts to prove points and just ignore the fact you were pushing the wagon too. (You’ve done this before as scum, I am 100% certain. I think it was some sort of magical mafia thing. I was constantly yelling about it)
If tubba is scum, you are also aligned with him because YOU DIDN’T WANNA LYNCH HIM even though you were sure he was scum. It’s the most untowny thing I have seen. Like blatantly scummy which is something you would do ( example: same game. You made people jump wagons for some reason in a super scummy way, and you got away with it)
nono, im still right.
Im almost excited for us to never get anything else out of our PRs this game ima be so smug about it
Remind me again who we were supposed to lynch?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Same question for you? Like, Day ended with no vote from you.
I know you wanted to finish your analysis before doing so, but that was 4 days ago and even I got a vote in. Who would you have voted for?
Same question for you? Like, Day ended with no vote from you.
I know you wanted to finish your analysis before doing so, but that was 4 days ago and even I got a vote in. Who would you have voted for?
See, you're just not paying attention at all, are you? I was saying Tubba was the lynch from the beginning. I would have voted him days ago, except I had said I was going to review people, and I was specifically asked (pretty sure) to still do it.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
Same question for you? Like, Day ended with no vote from you.
I know you wanted to finish your analysis before doing so, but that was 4 days ago and even I got a vote in. Who would you have voted for?
if you are town im exceptionally disappointed in you rn
yknow ive been arguing on principal so much that it didnt seem like it mattered to decide
Scumpool something like <tubba>/sloth/jack/last/kj/rod/vaimes
I feel like you ought to have a stronger alternate in mind the way you're saying this is/was such a bad idea.
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Literally on the post you're quoting I mentioned that "I know you wanted to finish your analysis before doing so" soooo...yeah.
I ask because I'm still making my way, but all I know for sure is that despite this notion, the Day ended after your vote and the posts of yours I have read in the meantime don't seem to settle on any firm view of the game or attempt to teambuild.
Great, though, Tubba's your vote, sure - alignment aside, he was definitely the lynch today. Who is aligned with him?
I'm a little intrigued by certain actions from a couple of other players on this too, but that's something for later.
Same question for you? Like, Day ended with no vote from you.
I know you wanted to finish your analysis before doing so, but that was 4 days ago and even I got a vote in. Who would you have voted for?
if you are town im exceptionally disappointed in you rn
feelsbadman
But nothing I can legitimately do to change that that I'm not doing already, so I'll have to live with it
Same question for you? Like, Day ended with no vote from you.
I know you wanted to finish your analysis before doing so, but that was 4 days ago and even I got a vote in. Who would you have voted for?
if you are town im exceptionally disappointed in you rn
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But nothing I can legitimately do to change that that I'm not doing already, so I'll have to live with it
reading might be a good start
Not spewing objective bull***** to shade people also a positive step
reading might be a good start
Not spewing objective bull***** to shade people also a positive step
Enough.
Like, do people think I'm just watching the thread for new posts and replying to it and doing nothing in the meantime? I am reading - and it'll be done at my pace.
If you have a problem with that, you're welcome to continue watching me not care.
As for the other bit, I have yet to see why it's not relevant. Maybe that'll change, but hasn't yet.
But seriously, I'm working on it. It's an empty phrase, I'm aware, but that's all I'm in a position to give. I'm in no particular hurry either, both in terms of logistics and in OOG priorities. So.
shadow (1): Tubba
Jack (2): Umami, Grape
Sloth (1): tom
Tom (1): rod
Not Voting (2): kj, axel
The view from the craft tipped all around them as it flipped over, banking steeply. Holse closed his eyes and swayed, even though he was seated. Beside Ferbin, the surface of the wine in his glass barely trembled.
“Your sibling,” the director general said as Ferbin watched the whole world tilt about them.
“My sibling,” Ferbin said.
“She is Seriy Anaplian.”
“That sounds like the name.”
“She, too, is of Special Circumstances, dear prince.”
“Apparently. What of it, ma’am?”
“That is a great deal of good connection for one family, let alone one person.”
“I shan’t refuse any portion, if good it is.”
“Hmm. It does occur to me that, no matter how distant, she may have heard about your father and the other recent events from your home level, which of course includes the news of your supposed death.”
“May she?”
“As I say, news osmoses. And where news is concerned, the Culture is of a very low pressure.”
“I fail to understand you, ma’am.”
“They tend to hear everything.”
Jackrito - 2 (Umami, Grapefruit21)
shadowlancerx - 1 (Tubba Fett)
Slothful - 1 (tomsloger)
tomsloger - 1 (Rodemy)
Not Voting - 2 (Killjoy, Axelrod)
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You saw how that was an either/or possibility, yes? So, what you're actually saying is, I'm not wrong.
I'll try to have something to say re: Rodemy before this twilight is over, but then that will probably be it until tomorrow.
i am town. No need to go any further <3
But there are leagues of difference between <here and that game> vs <prison and mcu>
None of what I said happened before you died, but did continue.
I guess looking forward to 1v1ing you tomorrow on this, now that we have a lynch.
Yes, I saw the "or": My point was that I don't think I've shown specifically scummy behavior based on the limited content I've provided this game.
Going by the analysis you made on this post, neither should you. Lazy/uncaring makes sense (it's not true, but it makes sense given the info you have), scummy doesn't.
Anyway, I guess part of me making an effort should be to case you at one point rather than just point a vague FoS. Woooooo, fun.
Was late to the game, not arriving until #446, where he voted for me :/ He also appears to have missed the mostly humorous yet still insightful nature of my postings. I didn't notice before, but he seems to have a serious complaint with Umami for "following" my RVS vote on Tom. He argues, quite seriously it appears, that this should mean that Umami has a Town read on me, and attempts to link us. This is absolutely bizarre now that I'm reading it again. Makes literally zero sense.
There's some more not great logic in #554: Which is just not how it works. I'd think Rod ought to know that? By now? You've been playing how long?
Has another bad take on Vaimes next. Thinks Vaimes has contradicted himself by saying he had an early Town read on Tom, but then saying the read was not "hardcore" town. This is such a minor thing to get worked up over I note it, and this from someone who doesn't think you need much reason to vote early on D1. Rod goes on to explain/clarify that this comes from perceiving that Vaimes was calling Tom Town until GJ came in with a "hot take" that Tom could be scum, at which point - Rodemy feels - Vaimes dropped Tom down from his Townie list. I don't really see this.
He initially says in #708 that ITF seems fine to him, and then does a very quick 180 (apparently after reading my post on ITF) and says in #710 that he thinks it's a "good start" and votes ITF. The whiplash gets to me, but I guess I don't see much of an angle there as scum either.
He gets a notion about Tom when he has asked Tubba a question and feels Tom has jumped in and answered the question for him. It's pretty simple. I don't know if it's scummy-simple or not. I do like how he follows it up with Tom to some extant, defending his methods and how he thinks Tom got it the way. There's a minor + because this is Tubba we're talking about.
In #940 he says: Which is a bit off, in as much as he said in #708 that ITF seemed fine and he couldn't understand why people were voting him, and it was my "case" that he thought was good. Did he initially post that just based on a vague memory of ITF's posts without re-reading them? He will then agree with rhand's assessment that ITF in this game is playing like scum-ITF played in some other game.
Does have Tubba as one of his top suspects at the end of D1 (think Shadow is there also, but I can't remember why).
Says this to Rhand D2:
Except that he did apparently like and agree with Rhand's meta case at the time, so this seems a strange thing to get on him for.
And then he's basically the only one who currently seems to think that Shadow is the scum between Tubba/Shadow. Because he didn't like how Shadow posted around GJ's hint/claim. Which, is not a great take?
It seems to me that Rodemy, though super personable, is full of bad takes and not great with the logic or the consistency. His style is reminiscent of Last, which makes him very hard to read. I definitely can't Town read him though. He's going in the bottom half, at least for the time being.
Most notably pushing me for a new really dumb thing each day, which is so rodemy it hurts
But im really seeing his "going against the grain" today as intentional. He doesnt even have a rodemy reason afaict hes just being different for the sake of it
Which
Might be the advice id give rodemy if we were partners.
He ends going against the grain a lot as town
But idk
Just not seeing the belief here.
The other person that wanted Jack, but didn't really budge was Grape. But he did actually end up voting him along tom, so it's just as null. I wish I had more to produce in case the game of chicken tonight ends with me dead, but I guess we will see.
Obviously, if Tubba flips town, I probably die tonight 100%. Look at tom/Grape/KJ as my dying request.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
If the mafia has a way to negate shadow's protection, Johnny dies toNight for sure. Then shadow, then [any other PR revealed/confirmed by then, if any], then [any remaining confirmed townie, including me].
If the mafia needs to play around shadow, the resulting mindgames mean any of the confirmed townies may die (shadow, Johnny, myself), with a small chance of a non-confirmed townie being hit to guarantee a kill (this isn't a great long-term strategy however).
Since there's a non-zero chance I end up on the losing end of some mindgames, here's my current readslist for posterity (ignore it entirely if Tubba flips town):
Town: Gentleman Johnny, shadowlancerx
Likely Town: Rodemy, Umami
Somewhat likely Town: Axelrod, Grapefruit21, Jackrito, Slothful, tomsloger, Vaimes
Somewhat likely Scum: Lastwhisper
Likely Scum: Killjoy, Rhand
Scum: Tubba
Whispy is mainly scummy by association and gets roughly cleared if KJ is scum. Thus I expect the team to be Tubba/Rhand/(Killjoy or Whispy)/???.
Scum #4 should be in the "Somewhat likely Town" group, in other words someone who is currently blindsiding me. Flips, wagons, interactions and so on will help me sort this group, if I live long enough for it to matter.
Grapefruit is in there because I like his posts individually, especially after he started fully focusing on this game, but I agree his stances and votes are nothing to write home about.
Jack is a bit of a gamble on my part, I see the case on him but I don't think it's strong and I find more coherent to see him as a somewhat lost townie.
Sloth does not have a lot going on either way, but he did signal interest in Tubba long before the claim situation, which I'm counting as a point in his favour. It could also very easily be some basic distancing. It's another gamble.
tom seems like he is trying to figure out the game for real and isn't just making empty artificially-solvey posts. It's a weak read but it's there. He also gets nearly townfirmed if there are 2 or more scum in the KJ/Vaimes/Whispy group.
Vaimes is obviously sheeping a lot and having very little impact, but like I said in a previous post he's not constantly fluttering by and anti-spewing, unlike in Prison Block.
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I was expecting a clearer view on the players, not some null or non-commital reads. With these you could definitely be high-effort scum drowning the town with uncertainty. Not that I believe this, but the pattern of wishy-washiness is definitely a negative in my view.
@tom I included you because I was specifically looking for interactions with the wagon. You saying you didn't want anything to do with it is very relevant.
I probably didn't catch all relevant posts because I didn't know the wagon was 600 posts long. I skimmed. I'm sorry for that.
@zds I guess I can see why you think that from your perspective. I'm not, but there's no reason you'd know that.
Zds unlikely (his behavior might be ok)
You could be scum sure to your continued persistence on me , but after last game you might just still be bad.
Sloth is dry.
needs lubeHe continues to not impress me.Even if shadow is the scum here, that puts you close to both of them.
Idk I don’t understand your logic
YOU COULD HAVE ******* HAMMERED
If shadow IS scum, you are aligned with him so hard. Not hammering tubba because later in the game you will just use the vote counts to prove points and just ignore the fact you were pushing the wagon too. (You’ve done this before as scum, I am 100% certain. I think it was some sort of magical mafia thing. I was constantly yelling about it)
If tubba is scum, you are also aligned with him because YOU DIDN’T WANNA LYNCH HIM even though you were sure he was scum. It’s the most untowny thing I have seen. Like blatantly scummy which is something you would do ( example: same game. You made people jump wagons for some reason in a super scummy way, and you got away with it)
I don’t understand you, right now, Tom.
hush I love you
If im scum my intention was somewhere between being right in a way that didnt effect my wincon and making town feel bad about themselves later.
There are literal zero worlds where i was trying to change the outcome here. Because im not stupid.
When this game is over ill be no less pleased with a loss that could have been a win if more people listened to me than i would be with winning. I remain a selfish ******** and its not towny.
But it remains a ***** reason to push me.
Im almost excited for us to never get anything else out of our PRs this game ima be so smug about it
Now hush, tom. I'm speaking for you.
Rodemy totally has the ability to get me lynched
Remind me again who we were supposed to lynch?
I know you wanted to finish your analysis before doing so, but that was 4 days ago and even I got a vote in. Who would you have voted for?
Scumpool something like <tubba>/sloth/jack/last/kj/rod/vaimes
I ask because I'm still making my way, but all I know for sure is that despite this notion, the Day ended after your vote and the posts of yours I have read in the meantime don't seem to settle on any firm view of the game or attempt to teambuild.
Great, though, Tubba's your vote, sure - alignment aside, he was definitely the lynch today. Who is aligned with him?
I'm a little intrigued by certain actions from a couple of other players on this too, but that's something for later.
But nothing I can legitimately do to change that that I'm not doing already, so I'll have to live with it
Outside of that i still just have regular reads, not sure how that would magically make them stronger
Not spewing objective bull***** to shade people also a positive step
Like, do people think I'm just watching the thread for new posts and replying to it and doing nothing in the meantime? I am reading - and it'll be done at my pace.
If you have a problem with that, you're welcome to continue watching me not care.
As for the other bit, I have yet to see why it's not relevant. Maybe that'll change, but hasn't yet.
But seriously, I'm working on it. It's an empty phrase, I'm aware, but that's all I'm in a position to give. I'm in no particular hurry either, both in terms of logistics and in OOG priorities. So.