It's also relevant that Shadow is the one posting up a storm here. Not only since the claiming, but right from the beginning of the day. If you tried to NK someone, and the next morning the person you tried to kill was still alive, generally speaking that's going to put a damper on one's posting because you are going to be concerned that something happened and someone might have caught you. Shadow doesn't show any such signs of concern. Not that he's not good enough to try and bluster his way through being caught, but the contrast between him and Tubba is stark.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I mean, if Shadow is the scum here, he played it very proactively with his reaction to GJ's not very subtle soft claim.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
@Tubba: Outside of you and Shadow, who looks the worse from reactions to all of this?
Actually, shadow same question.
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Rhand, who would you be voting if shadow didn't counterclaim (but claimed an unrelated role instead)? What if we got shadow to claim first and Tubba counterclaimed?
I don’t have to assume much, it’s really unlikely that both shadow and I are town, even outside of my high town read on you. I guess if I didn’t know about Shadow I would’ve had to consider the possibility, but not seriously re-evaluating you till day 3 with no kill.
Id say Rhand looks worse, he’s trying to tie Tom to me without really elavorating why. It could explain his earlier pseudo pressure on Shadow and full pivot to me.
And Tubba has been about as tight-lipped as you can be for someone who's been counter-claimed and is on the verge of being lynched.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
And Tubba has been about as tight-lipped as you can be for someone who's been counter-claimed and is on the verge of being lynched.
My apologies, but I can’t be on here all day. There’s a clear dichotomy to be resolved, and a twilight for me to post my thoughts. I’m here now, what do you want to talk about?
Honestly without the outing I wouldn’t be considering Shadow, so I can’t really point to anything I would push him for. His posts have been less impactful than I’ve come to expect, but that could mean anything or nothing.
And Tubba has been about as tight-lipped as you can be for someone who's been counter-claimed and is on the verge of being lynched.
My apologies, but I can’t be on here all day. There’s a clear dichotomy to be resolved, and a twilight for me to post my thoughts. I’m here now, what do you want to talk about?
My point is that you ought to be being more proactive. Not just sitting back and saying "what do you want to talk about." Otherwise you're just allowing the scum to run you over.
Honestly without the outing I wouldn’t be considering Shadow, so I can’t really point to anything I would push him for. His posts have been less impactful than I’ve come to expect, but that could mean anything or nothing.
What do you mean it could mean anything or nothing? Are you considering that you might both be town here? You voted him, and then you said above you thought it was "unlikely" both you and Shadow were Town Are you still thinking about that?
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
@Tubba: Outside of you and Shadow, who looks the worse from reactions to all of this?
Actually, shadow same question.
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Rhand, who would you be voting if shadow didn't counterclaim (but claimed an unrelated role instead)? What if we got shadow to claim first and Tubba counterclaimed?
I don’t have to assume much, it’s really unlikely that both shadow and I are town, even outside of my high town read on you. I guess if I didn’t know about Shadow I would’ve had to consider the possibility, but not seriously re-evaluating you till day 3 with no kill.
Id say Rhand looks worse, he’s trying to tie Tom to me without really elavorating why. It could explain his earlier pseudo pressure on Shadow and full pivot to me.
where is he tying me to you?
Is he not just wolfreading my handling regardless of which way it goes?
@Tubba: Outside of you and Shadow, who looks the worse from reactions to all of this?
Actually, shadow same question.
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Rhand, who would you be voting if shadow didn't counterclaim (but claimed an unrelated role instead)? What if we got shadow to claim first and Tubba counterclaimed?
I don’t have to assume much, it’s really unlikely that both shadow and I are town, even outside of my high town read on you. I guess if I didn’t know about Shadow I would’ve had to consider the possibility, but not seriously re-evaluating you till day 3 with no kill.
Id say Rhand looks worse, he’s trying to tie Tom to me without really elavorating why. It could explain his earlier pseudo pressure on Shadow and full pivot to me.
Understanding Shadow is what did that.
And my tom read has nothing to do with you indeed.
It's not even that I would write off out of hand the possibility that a Town could have 2 Jailkeeper roles (unlikely as that might be), but the possibility that the Town might have two jailkeeper roles that both targeted the same highly visible individual on a night that there was no kill, and the coincidence of having a Watcher see them both while the Mafia kill presumably gets prevented by something else entirely is something I pretty much will write off out of hand.
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
It's not even that I would write off out of hand the possibility that a Town could have 2 Jailkeeper roles (unlikely as that might be), but the possibility that the Town might have two jailkeeper roles that both targeted the same highly visible individual on a night that there was no kill, and the coincidence of having a Watcher see them both while the Mafia kill presumably gets prevented by something else entirely is something I pretty much will write off out of hand.
And Tubba has been about as tight-lipped as you can be for someone who's been counter-claimed and is on the verge of being lynched.
My apologies, but I can’t be on here all day. There’s a clear dichotomy to be resolved, and a twilight for me to post my thoughts. I’m here now, what do you want to talk about?
My point is that you ought to be being more proactive. Not just sitting back and saying "what do you want to talk about." Otherwise you're just allowing the scum to run you over.
Honestly without the outing I wouldn’t be considering Shadow, so I can’t really point to anything I would push him for. His posts have been less impactful than I’ve come to expect, but that could mean anything or nothing.
What do you mean it could mean anything or nothing? Are you considering that you might both be town here? You voted him, and then you said above you thought it was "unlikely" both you and Shadow were Town Are you still thinking about that?
I think it’s very unlikely this is a four way town fest. I feel very strongly that ZDS is town. There’s no logical reason for GJ to mention anything if he’s scum. I know I’m town, so Shadow has to be scum unless we are in the incredibly unlucky world where we are all town. Scum ZDS doesn’t worry about whether I think he’s scum or not, there’s no benefit to questions me about it.
I don’t know how to read Shadow, he’s one of those good players that make me constantly doubt and second guess myself. It’s mathematical for me at this point and not anything thread based.
The only thing I can say in Tubba's favor here is that he did claim Jailer prior to ZDS claiming anything. If ZDS had an ability that he used, the claim would have busted right then, so that was a risk. As opposed to him just claiming "Doctor."
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Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
The only thing I can say in Tubba's favor here is that he did claim Jailer prior to ZDS claiming anything. If ZDS had an ability that he used, the claim would have busted right then, so that was a risk. As opposed to him just claiming "Doctor."
He was pushed in a corner. All he could hope for is for Shadow to be some other role (not a counterclaim) and ZDS to have self-preserved.
The doc claim wasn’t going to roll.
It's not even that I would write off out of hand the possibility that a Town could have 2 Jailkeeper roles (unlikely as that might be), but the possibility that the Town might have two jailkeeper roles that both targeted the same highly visible individual on a night that there was no kill, and the coincidence of having a Watcher see them both while the Mafia kill presumably gets prevented by something else entirely is something I pretty much will write off out of hand.
i would write off the possibility.
I could see odd night jailer/even night jailer but not two that can target the same night
The watch just adds that the one that *isnt* jk performed the kill
I think it’s very unlikely this is a four way town fest. I feel very strongly that ZDS is town. There’s no logical reason for GJ to mention anything if he’s scum. I know I’m town, so Shadow has to be scum unless we are in the incredibly unlucky world where we are all town.
Sure did. But as mafia you would’ve known it was allowed to do both, which in situations where you have a townread PR is what you would do too.
I’m still derpclearing you for not knowing.
I'm like 60% of the way through my reread but here's where I'm at:
Willing to let go of Tubba read for now—reading back their stuff probably wasn’t that AI especially since people who have played with them before didn’t think much of it.
Rodemy’s #489 about my super early vote and going with Axel is super odd and ridiculous, especially since I think he was scum reading axel at that point, so he’s basically suggesting that axel is scum, started a tom vote, and then I am also scum and just hopped on because…? It was the very beginning of the game, I didn’t have a read on axel period. #510 is super self conscious. #554, his logic is super flawed and he keeps trying to force pairings. #578, rudely tries to “catch Vaimes” about Tom read, but I also had the general impression that Vaimes’ towered on Tom was more of a wait and see what happens than a strongly towered tom thing. Rodemy goes in my sketch list
Jack points out in #633 that I voted for them before Tubba and then I respond/explain in #652. #687, Jack is super defensive and apparently thinks that this game is the center of my universe. Sadly, it’s not and I too have the memory of a goldfish. I’ve said it a lot, but I’ll say it again—I don’t put a huge weight on my early scum reads or come in with super confident reads so even if I vote for you that’s not a declaration of confidence in my read, that’s accepting that voting is an essential part of the game and I need to do it. But let’s deep dive into this “overdramatic and defensive” thing. Defensive, sure. But overdramatic? I responded to your question directly, pointed out the flaw in how you were presenting/misrepresenting the situation, and overall I’m pretty mellow. Not feeling nervous so you might be projecting there a bit. I mean, I have no control over how you read and interpret my posts, but looks like it may be more dependent on you than on what I write. Either you're anchoring, which is odd because I definitely didn’t get that vibe from you’re earlier posts about just "being lazy and sitting" your vote on me, or you’re scum trying to twist every response I give into some hysterical nervous tic tell.
Jack, I’m a people pleaser and to support your #830: Vote Jack
As of right now, I'd support lynching Jack or Rodemy, but I'd also be fine with Axel because I think his flip would give good info.
Ambush Krotiq makes me laugh so much. I keep rereading the card and it keeps not having Flash. In what sense is this an ambush again? I just have visions of this huge Krotiq poorly concealed in some bushes, feeling slightly sad that his carefully planned ambushes never seem to work.
I think it’s very unlikely this is a four way town fest. I feel very strongly that ZDS is town. There’s no logical reason for GJ to mention anything if he’s scum. I know I’m town, so Shadow has to be scum unless we are in the incredibly unlucky world where we are all town.
you do not think thats a possibility
Come on bro
No I don’t, but I was asked if I’d considered the possibility.
It’s not impossible just incredibly improbable.
Champs rule. It's more from a lack of finding wolf reads. I've talked about the three or so people holding back ad nauseum, so it's just trying to figure out other stuff.
I don't care for Shadows posts, but he is also been playing super defensively, so I am giving him a slight pass.
My middle is like a tornado right now, not going to lie. My theoretical wolf team right now is ITF/Tubba/ one of tom/KJ/Axel and one of Shadow/Sloth, despite the ordering. The first two I am actively wolf reading, although I like Tubba's back and forth with Rodemy.
I could be sold on Jack, but I really don't think he is wolfier than ITF, and would rather see him and Shadow dig tomorrow. That trio or people just keeps bouncing around. Right now of those three, I think I like KJ the least (yes yes, I know my list). Mostly because of the three, KJ is the one I have to keep remembering is in the game. In Prison, I think Vaimes stayed alive as long as he did as a wolf was because he felt slippery (no wolf posts, nothing really except that he wasn't a force this game/didn't take hard stances). I feel KJ is falling into the same patterns. Axel has me really mixed, and tom has just been underwhelming, but I think he will post more later, so their is more rope if he is a wolf.
Rhand had a slight post that pinged me if KJ does end up flipping wolf, but I am not ready to chain that hard. Going to see if I can find it when I stopped getting *****ed at via email.
I say now because I thought that you agreed with Tom's case on me, just checked and you said my play is different enough from prison to make me scum.
on Umani just going to copy what I said yesterday for now. Add in them not being around the EOD to that though as well and just being pretty passive imo.
I'm still sold on Umani I don't really care what others think they is scum intent in their posts at times for me. I don't like how she constantly trys to appear town and call themselves such this is a issue for me. I also feel they misrepresent facts a lot one that caught my eye is them saying their only serious vote was Tubba which is false since they voted me eariler and that was not RVS. I don't know if she forgot that or what but bothers me the Tubba vote also feels opportunistic to me and over the top in the approach.I just get a general nevrous tone from them when under pressure as well they is constant backtracking and feels like she just does what thinks will get her townread like I said earlier. Add this to a lack of real commitment on reads apart from calling tubba and me scum it feels like they are doing best to leave options open in the long run. Their 337 is the only post I really liked. I'm semi dropping this because you all see something I clearly do not here, but I stick by my view,
EOD was supposed to be at 11:59 04/22; it was actually 4:41 on 04/21, so over a full day early...
"There is a limit of one night action per player per night. The Mafia Factional Night Kill does not count towards this limit."
Sighhh.
I don’t have to assume much, it’s really unlikely that both shadow and I are town, even outside of my high town read on you. I guess if I didn’t know about Shadow I would’ve had to consider the possibility, but not seriously re-evaluating you till day 3 with no kill.
Id say Rhand looks worse, he’s trying to tie Tom to me without really elavorating why. It could explain his earlier pseudo pressure on Shadow and full pivot to me.
My apologies, but I can’t be on here all day. There’s a clear dichotomy to be resolved, and a twilight for me to post my thoughts. I’m here now, what do you want to talk about?
Honestly without the outing I wouldn’t be considering Shadow, so I can’t really point to anything I would push him for. His posts have been less impactful than I’ve come to expect, but that could mean anything or nothing.
Heh I didn’t see that.
I’m gonna derpclear tom over this.
But thank you i was gonna go check op for that to respond to rhands post at end of last page
What do you mean it could mean anything or nothing? Are you considering that you might both be town here? You voted him, and then you said above you thought it was "unlikely" both you and Shadow were Town Are you still thinking about that?
Is he not just wolfreading my handling regardless of which way it goes?
Understanding Shadow is what did that.
And my tom read has nothing to do with you indeed.
Thats just bad wolf play
Unfortunately there are plenty of bad wolves out there.
Duh?
I think it’s very unlikely this is a four way town fest. I feel very strongly that ZDS is town. There’s no logical reason for GJ to mention anything if he’s scum. I know I’m town, so Shadow has to be scum unless we are in the incredibly unlucky world where we are all town. Scum ZDS doesn’t worry about whether I think he’s scum or not, there’s no benefit to questions me about it.
I don’t know how to read Shadow, he’s one of those good players that make me constantly doubt and second guess myself. It’s mathematical for me at this point and not anything thread based.
You still didn’t know it was allowed.
Why fight a clear? Lol
He was pushed in a corner. All he could hope for is for Shadow to be some other role (not a counterclaim) and ZDS to have self-preserved.
The doc claim wasn’t going to roll.
I could see odd night jailer/even night jailer but not two that can target the same night
The watch just adds that the one that *isnt* jk performed the kill
Come on bro
You ever seen a (presumably) 4 man wolf team that didn't have a role or two that was clearly meant to be expendable and make kills?
I’m still derpclearing you for not knowing.
Giving last game town!Tubba probably blurts at least something out?
GJ softing as a watcher? Is correct I think
But a possible block probably holds off, until their target is strung up I think
Tubba's probably has to happen, don't care either way
Willing to let go of Tubba read for now—reading back their stuff probably wasn’t that AI especially since people who have played with them before didn’t think much of it.
Rodemy’s #489 about my super early vote and going with Axel is super odd and ridiculous, especially since I think he was scum reading axel at that point, so he’s basically suggesting that axel is scum, started a tom vote, and then I am also scum and just hopped on because…? It was the very beginning of the game, I didn’t have a read on axel period. #510 is super self conscious. #554, his logic is super flawed and he keeps trying to force pairings. #578, rudely tries to “catch Vaimes” about Tom read, but I also had the general impression that Vaimes’ towered on Tom was more of a wait and see what happens than a strongly towered tom thing. Rodemy goes in my sketch list
Jack points out in #633 that I voted for them before Tubba and then I respond/explain in #652. #687, Jack is super defensive and apparently thinks that this game is the center of my universe. Sadly, it’s not and I too have the memory of a goldfish. I’ve said it a lot, but I’ll say it again—I don’t put a huge weight on my early scum reads or come in with super confident reads so even if I vote for you that’s not a declaration of confidence in my read, that’s accepting that voting is an essential part of the game and I need to do it. But let’s deep dive into this “overdramatic and defensive” thing. Defensive, sure. But overdramatic? I responded to your question directly, pointed out the flaw in how you were presenting/misrepresenting the situation, and overall I’m pretty mellow. Not feeling nervous so you might be projecting there a bit. I mean, I have no control over how you read and interpret my posts, but looks like it may be more dependent on you than on what I write. Either you're anchoring, which is odd because I definitely didn’t get that vibe from you’re earlier posts about just "being lazy and sitting" your vote on me, or you’re scum trying to twist every response I give into some hysterical nervous tic tell.
Jack, I’m a people pleaser and to support your #830: Vote Jack
As of right now, I'd support lynching Jack or Rodemy, but I'd also be fine with Axel because I think his flip would give good info.
Okay, but what's your point?
Dont @ me
Oh man I laughed so hard I woke up my husband.
Don’t do this to me at 2 am lol
Almost peed
Somebody needs to pressure me to do something
Tubba claimed Jailkeeper and Shadow counterclaimed him
Keep reading yo
Oh, I'll finish reading then
No I don’t, but I was asked if I’d considered the possibility.
It’s not impossible just incredibly improbable.
How do we know how many scum there are?
EOD was supposed to be at 11:59 04/22; it was actually 4:41 on 04/21, so over a full day early...
We are legit watching all the same things haha
Shadow originally just claimed Doctor?
@Tubba
were you responding to my question?
when asked by Tom, "Do you really believe this"?
I want these answers before I go any further