I can't agrue my lynch is not good for game state. Since I have being saying it for a while but just got called matrying and now selfish, Which is great. I have done everything today that I feel is needed my view on all of those in POE is clear even if wrong. I would not be intrested in a KJ lynch today because from memory I liked a lot of it my main issue is claim and how he fits well in some of my teams. Other people deserve lynch more today though
Jack the most viable 3 person scumteam that hasnt tried to save you today is umami/dawning/johnny
Do you still wish to leave the legacy that sloth and kj are town for not wanting to lynch you?
I don't think I ever said KJ is town for not wanting to lynch me. I also do not for certainty think he is town I just have no interest in that today.
Sloth is complicated and my read on that slot could be my biggest regret. I keep going back and forth on him. I just don't feel he is scum though and at times like this I go with my gut.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Jack probably is just the correct lynch here, I think on a macro level a lot of his thoughts can be wolfy
I think on a micro-level there are certain things that are weird from wolf!Jack
the only thing really keeping this alive is the Sloth/Jack probably being wolf/wolf world
given I'd rather be on a top train then off vote: Jackrito L1
given this site, someone will unvote, and then we continue to wait
its w/e at this point, I just want to get into night 3 with hopefully a mafia flip
Jack (4): Zds, tom, Vaimes, umami
Vaimes (4): shadow, Rodemy, jack, last
KJ (1): Sloth
Not Voting - 3 (DawningBlueSky, Gentleman Johnny, Killjoy)
Well, assuming this is correct. Jack's 4 are pretty pure. Umami is the most likely scum on Jack, and she's as likely scum as others. Jack+unknowns are on Vaimes. I need to look a bit into Rod to see, but Rod/Jack/Last probably isn't the team? Rod and Jack are on Vaimes and Last keeps alternating between them in a really obvious way.
Last doesn't seem to care enough to be scum, right? The way he's scum is if he cares about the gamestate while feigning apathy, unless Jack and Vaimes are both town... then he can not care which one is lynched without apathy.
@Sloth: Can you give me some bulletpoints of your case on me again? Just to put it all in one place etc?
I don't think I want to lynch DBS today? I'd like more from her.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I definitely do care, its hard to care a lot given this game-state though
I need to think about if my thoughts on Jack possibly being town here, outweigh just lynching him in the world I am wrong
Lynching him helps the game state regardless as well imo
“You might refuse to go, sir,” Fanthile pointed out.
Oramen turned away from the view over the city. “I might, in theory, I suppose,” he said.
“Tyl Loesp might worry that leaving you here while he tightens his grip on Rasselle would allow you to build too independent a foundation of regard amongst the nobles, the people and even parliament here. Removing you to somewhere so out of the way, however impressive that place might be as an attraction, could appear to some almost like a form of exile. You could refuse to go, sir. You’d be within your rights. By some arguments your place is here, amongst the people who might love you all the better with greater acquaintance. I have heard who will be there around you. This General Foise, for one; he is entirely tyl Loesp’s man. They all are. All his men, I mean. They are loyal to him rather than to Sarl or your father’s memory, or you.”
“Well, tyl Loesp may arrange me as he sees fit, for the moment. I’ll play along. Let him have his time. These men you mention may see their loyalty as lying with him, but as long as he is loyal in turn, which he most unquestionably is, then there’s neither difference nor harm. I shall be king in due course and – even allowing for all our New Age talk of parliamentary oversight – I’ll have my time then.”
Fanthile frowned. “I certainly know I’d like to think that, sir. Whether I can in honest conscience allow myself to hold such a view’s another thing.” He nodded at the note which Oramen still held. “I think the fellow may be forcing your actions in this, sir, and I believe he may come to enjoy the habit of doing so, if he does not already.”
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Had assignments to do and left forum stuff on the backburner until today. Looks like I'm too late?
I don't see why Jack was on the table, unless it was because of playing martyr? Not really following Jack's thought process, but it doesn't look scum-indicative either. NAI at best.
Looks like nobody had questions to ask me. Was my slot resolved already? I did say people could ask me questions.
Killjoy is a townlean to me, for the record. Last seems to be a townlean too. Vaguely remember Rodemy was questionable, but that could be because of a different playstyle (at least from my memory).
Nice profile picture by the way @Last
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Coincidentally, KJ claimed a twilight ability where if we no lynch, he can choose who dies out of anybody who does NOT have the most votes. if everyone is tied, he gets to choose. Basically it's a kill that he gets to decide if there is a no lynch.
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Sloth is probably clear, he's in my townlean list now. I think Jack was doing a last ditch effort to paint sloth as buddy. Sloth train gained way too much momentum too quickly and was way too similar to ITFs
I think the best part here is that we have the movement on both sloth and Vaimes to analyze as well, which, not saying it was my whole plan, but definitely hoped that pushing a Vaimes wagon would produce results in a Jack scum flip.
If jack is roleblocker i think im lynching kj tomorrow.
Popping in towards the end to say the wagons made vaimes town just doesnt make sense with his "no read on jack" and using vaimes being town to justify vaimes being town by wagons without mentioning jack and when hed previously only townleaned vaimes feels like covering up TMI that jack was scum
Most of my jack/sloth alignment comes from sloths side, but i can squint and see scumjack just steering into it if sloth is town with a terrible read
Definitely wouldnt clear sloth on that jack could have definitely steered into already looking aligned for the wifom too
My only clears are umami and grapeslot i think.
The rest of the poe people not mentioned above all voted jack but all were more excited to vote elsewhere over the course of today. They all look alright i guess but not great.
Last least likely of the 3 im not sure how "i dont really think this but it has to be done" is a bus strat
Scumrod would have been powerwolfing pretty hard til he realized (a little late) that it wasnt happening
Scumvaimes would have been lightly trying to play to wincon at first but realized much earlier than rod. To the point where i think hed be fairly likely to just bus
So new poe (changed not much because ive still been wrong on actual nothing)
Claims/mech clears
Umami
Dawn
Last
Vaimes
Rod
Sloth
Kj
Dawning you probably have 36 hours or so. This game has twilights
Coincidentally, KJ claimed a twilight ability where if we no lynch, he can choose who dies out of anybody who does NOT have the most votes. if everyone is tied, he gets to choose. Basically it's a kill that he gets to decide if there is a no lynch.
actually I think if everyone is tied I can't use it. I'd have to ask specifically, but that's my assumption
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Dawning you probably have 36 hours or so. This game has twilights
Coincidentally, KJ claimed a twilight ability where if we no lynch, he can choose who dies out of anybody who does NOT have the most votes. if everyone is tied, he gets to choose. Basically it's a kill that he gets to decide if there is a no lynch.
actually I think if everyone is tied I can't use it. I'd have to ask specifically, but that's my assumption
you... think?
dude. come on.
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Dawning you probably have 36 hours or so. This game has twilights
Coincidentally, KJ claimed a twilight ability where if we no lynch, he can choose who dies out of anybody who does NOT have the most votes. if everyone is tied, he gets to choose. Basically it's a kill that he gets to decide if there is a no lynch.
I see. Sounds suspicious to be honest. But if we don't have a vig, I guess that's our KP.
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@Tom: I don’t think your DBS clear should be that high.
possibly!
Ive barely read a dawning post
But when jack started feeling doomed only me/grape/umami/itf were pushing him (in approximately that order of strength) and i feel like that enough for a bit
I still dont neccesarily agree with grouping KJs claim with killing roles, but even if you do weve already had one from each alignment flip so id think wed be back to ~null on it in a vacuum
But also kj is probably scum for associations with jack AND tubba so whatever
Do you still wish to leave the legacy that sloth and kj are town for not wanting to lynch you?
I don't think I ever said KJ is town for not wanting to lynch me. I also do not for certainty think he is town I just have no interest in that today.
Sloth is complicated and my read on that slot could be my biggest regret. I keep going back and forth on him. I just don't feel he is scum though and at times like this I go with my gut.
You said kj was either town or scum with sloth but you eliminated the latter because he could have pushed you?
Vaimes wagon might be a counter to Jack though? It's spontaneous and likely on town.
I think on a micro-level there are certain things that are weird from wolf!Jack
the only thing really keeping this alive is the Sloth/Jack probably being wolf/wolf world
given I'd rather be on a top train then off
vote: Jackrito
L1
given this site, someone will unvote, and then we continue to wait
its w/e at this point, I just want to get into night 3 with hopefully a mafia flip
Last doesn't seem to care enough to be scum, right? The way he's scum is if he cares about the gamestate while feigning apathy, unless Jack and Vaimes are both town... then he can not care which one is lynched without apathy.
@Sloth: Can you give me some bulletpoints of your case on me again? Just to put it all in one place etc?
I don't think I want to lynch DBS today? I'd like more from her.
Does this mean you think jack is scum for his counterwagon to be town?
Are the other jack counterwagons all town too?
I need to think about if my thoughts on Jack possibly being town here, outweigh just lynching him in the world I am wrong
Lynching him helps the game state regardless as well imo
Oramen turned away from the view over the city. “I might, in theory, I suppose,” he said.
“Tyl Loesp might worry that leaving you here while he tightens his grip on Rasselle would allow you to build too independent a foundation of regard amongst the nobles, the people and even parliament here. Removing you to somewhere so out of the way, however impressive that place might be as an attraction, could appear to some almost like a form of exile. You could refuse to go, sir. You’d be within your rights. By some arguments your place is here, amongst the people who might love you all the better with greater acquaintance. I have heard who will be there around you. This General Foise, for one; he is entirely tyl Loesp’s man. They all are. All his men, I mean. They are loyal to him rather than to Sarl or your father’s memory, or you.”
“Well, tyl Loesp may arrange me as he sees fit, for the moment. I’ll play along. Let him have his time. These men you mention may see their loyalty as lying with him, but as long as he is loyal in turn, which he most unquestionably is, then there’s neither difference nor harm. I shall be king in due course and – even allowing for all our New Age talk of parliamentary oversight – I’ll have my time then.”
Fanthile frowned. “I certainly know I’d like to think that, sir. Whether I can in honest conscience allow myself to hold such a view’s another thing.” He nodded at the note which Oramen still held. “I think the fellow may be forcing your actions in this, sir, and I believe he may come to enjoy the habit of doing so, if he does not already.”
Vaimes - 2 (Rodemy, Jackrito)
Killjoy - 1 (Slothful)
Not Voting - 3 (DawningBlueSky, Gentleman Johnny, Killjoy)
With 12 alive, it takes 7 to achieve a majority.
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DawningBlueSky has been prodded.
The sudden appearance of the Vaimes wagon near deadline makes scum Jack more likely for sure.
What are you counting as other counter wagons?
vote jack
I don't see why Jack was on the table, unless it was because of playing martyr? Not really following Jack's thought process, but it doesn't look scum-indicative either. NAI at best.
Looks like nobody had questions to ask me. Was my slot resolved already? I did say people could ask me questions.
Killjoy is a townlean to me, for the record. Last seems to be a townlean too. Vaguely remember Rodemy was questionable, but that could be because of a different playstyle (at least from my memory).
Nice profile picture by the way @Last
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
Coincidentally, KJ claimed a twilight ability where if we no lynch, he can choose who dies out of anybody who does NOT have the most votes. if everyone is tied, he gets to choose. Basically it's a kill that he gets to decide if there is a no lynch.
do you only get to kill in actual trains?
like in this situation, if we didnt lynch Jack, you would have to kill Vaimes?
especially given that town had a desperado
think we should hammer this sooner than later
maybe Shadow can get his thoughts in before had though
. Really annoyed at how much my scum game has fell.
Eat meeee Rod.
Popping in towards the end to say the wagons made vaimes town just doesnt make sense with his "no read on jack" and using vaimes being town to justify vaimes being town by wagons without mentioning jack and when hed previously only townleaned vaimes feels like covering up TMI that jack was scum
Most of my jack/sloth alignment comes from sloths side, but i can squint and see scumjack just steering into it if sloth is town with a terrible read
Definitely wouldnt clear sloth on that jack could have definitely steered into already looking aligned for the wifom too
My only clears are umami and grapeslot i think.
The rest of the poe people not mentioned above all voted jack but all were more excited to vote elsewhere over the course of today. They all look alright i guess but not great.
Last least likely of the 3 im not sure how "i dont really think this but it has to be done" is a bus strat
Scumrod would have been powerwolfing pretty hard til he realized (a little late) that it wasnt happening
Scumvaimes would have been lightly trying to play to wincon at first but realized much earlier than rod. To the point where i think hed be fairly likely to just bus
So new poe (changed not much because ive still been wrong on actual nothing)
Claims/mech clears
Umami
Dawn
Last
Vaimes
Rod
Sloth
Kj
you... think?
dude. come on.
Be grateful, always."
Be grateful, always."
@Tom: I don’t think your DBS clear should be that high.
for set up's sake, it needs to be taken into account. for example: If me or jack wasn't voting and DBS hammered jack.
Ive barely read a dawning post
But when jack started feeling doomed only me/grape/umami/itf were pushing him (in approximately that order of strength) and i feel like that enough for a bit
But also kj is probably scum for associations with jack AND tubba so whatever
@dawn
So if we no lynch, it can't be the person we wanted to lynch.
KJ who would you kill?