Johnny's claim makes my witty response to Tubba pointless. Damn you.
I do want to say, if Tubba genuinely believes his Day 1 play was townie and/or was the best he could do then I am very worried for him.
I also wanted to see if we could get something interesting out of him VS Rhand, since I scumspect them both, but Johnny's claim got in the way.
Not that I'm complaining.
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A better question than "why didn't tom and Grapefruit (don't forget Grapefruit) manage to stir a wagon on Jack" is "why didn't the multiple players who also suspected Jack join them?"
Well?
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I am not claiming anything. Buzz off Rhand, go fish elsewhere. I also don't want shadow to claim, at least not before Tubba does. Maybe I'll reconsider after that. Or if Rhand actually hammered, we'll see toMorrow after the flip.
Regarding the set-up, if I'm right about something (not saying what) then the game is *not* broken.
Sloth, what was your progression on Jack? In particular, how long has he been a "townlean"?
My progression on Jack is exactly what you see. Based on his activity from page 23 up to this post, I'm fine with him.
That post you're quoting is in response to tom, and tom's case. And like I said: If what he's saying is true, yeah, I agree, there's a good chance Jack's scum. I also pointed out I haven't read anything on Jack yet, certainly not anything that backs up tom's assessment. Until I do, here we are.
When I say townlean, I'm talking in terms of impressions and feelings that are hard to verbalize and back up with concrete examples. When I say reads, that's when I can talk more about what I'm seeing, and it can be a weak read or a strong read, but it's always a step above just a lean. Leans are leans and don't mean anything you should hang your hat on.
Third, why do you feel the need to hit hard and fast with your reads while they are still fresh? What do you expect to happen if you don't do that and take your time instead? (And by "reads" do you mean "reads" or do you mean "leans"?)
I mean everything.
What I expect to happen is that I'll forget them and have to start over, rather than just ISO myself. I don't think you're understanding how much my attention is being pulled a thousand different ways even as I write this sentence - it's a busy time to be an essential worker. Sorry, but this is the only way I can play the game.
Do you think this is scummy behavior from me?
Catching up, looking forward to reading about how scummy Tubba is.
For sloth, that definitely ties into my basketball analogy. His way of interacting with the thread is much showier and hollower. Hes shooting long 2s and getting lost in transition
Think hes scum
How can a man that just called me boo insult me like this? Is romance truly dead? :heartbreak emoji:
Also, for the last time, I really don't know basketball: what does "shooting long 2s" and "gettling lost in transition" mean?
luckily this post is more for grape/whatever than you, but here you go
Townsloth from prison: Patrick Beverley is known for his tenacious defense and making himself an asset when he doesnt have the ball on offense, via movement etc. Hes not necessarily about scoring a lot of points, but when he does shoot its usually a high ROI shot (3 pointers and near the basket)
So when i say youre getting lost in transition, it means you play offense but then when the other team gets the ball you dont snap into that defense. In prison, even as your case on me was objectively bad i still felt smothered. Now youre someone halfheartedly waving a hand at a shooter that already got where he wanted
When you are taking a shot it feels lazy and low-percentage (aka a long 2. Same points as a dunk only from way further, or about as difficult as a 3 pointer but low reward.)
I’m a jailkeeper, looks like I finally guessed right. Certainly would’ve preferred to not be outed but that’s a post game discussion, and at least we net scum.
@Sloth: You aren't being nearly as Slothy this game as you were last game. Sup with that?
Out of curiosity, what do you define as "Slothy"? Kind of curious to see how different players view me.
To your question, I answered in #1213.
Better than Vaimes in every way You feel like you're holding things close to the vest as ocmparision to last game.[/quote]hm. Okay. Can you give an example of this behavior?
For sloth, that definitely ties into my basketball analogy. His way of interacting with the thread is much showier and hollower. Hes shooting long 2s and getting lost in transition
Think hes scum
How can a man that just called me boo insult me like this? Is romance truly dead? :heartbreak emoji:
Also, for the last time, I really don't know basketball: what does "shooting long 2s" and "gettling lost in transition" mean?
luckily this post is more for grape/whatever than you, but here you go
Townsloth from prison: Patrick Beverley is known for his tenacious defense and making himself an asset when he doesnt have the ball on offense, via movement etc. Hes not necessarily about scoring a lot of points, but when he does shoot its usually a high ROI shot (3 pointers and near the basket)
So when i say youre getting lost in transition, it means you play offense but then when the other team gets the ball you dont snap into that defense. In prison, even as your case on me was objectively bad i still felt smothered. Now youre someone halfheartedly waving a hand at a shooter that already got where he wanted
When you are taking a shot it feels lazy and low-percentage (aka a long 2. Same points as a dunk only from way further, or about as difficult as a 3 pointer but low reward.)
Hope this helps, <present day carmelo anthony>
You think me going after Axel is lazy? Why?
im actually thinking of you pushing people as the defense in this scenario.
But do you mean your unexplained "hot take" that axel is scum?
Eh that can mean 3 things:
Tubba is telling the truth and Shadow tried to kill ZDS
Tubba is telling the truth and ZDS tried to kill someone
Tubba is lying
You can also think of a jailkeeper claim as a roleblocker claim that's less likely to get auto-lynched.
It's a meh claim, neither awful nor clearing.
Speaking of claiming, I did not want to reveal anything but since it has become relevant: I do not have an active ability and have no clue if I've been roleblocked/jailed. So I cannot confirm or deny Tubba's claim.
Maybe shadow should claim but *not yet*. I want to see people react to the situation first and give their opinion on the matter. For future analysis.
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I'm trying to figure out if Sloth's reads/leans are organic considering he can't put much effort into the game. I'll see in the long term.
Well this is a mess on the PR side of things. Bother shadow and Tubba have decent chance of being scum. Even though I had the smallest town leans not going to rewrite history and pretend otherwise.
Tubba being JK is possible just see what Shadow says now. What worries me is that we have hit the worst case where only town Visited ZDS which while very unlikely is a ***** possibly.
Even if we get one scum from this not sure if out tung 2 town PRs is worth. I suppose we get town confirms on GJ ZDS and one of the others st least. Just wait and see now I guess
I take it people are not informed if RB here or does it depend on the host.
I can see the scummy tendencies others have pointed out on ITF, but I’m not seeing the scum equity. I don’t see what he’s trying to accomplish and it doesn’t look like anyone’s coordinating with him. Maybe that’s scum cutting the anchor loose, but even when ITF was posting there wasn’t anyone “liking it”. Probably just level 0 again but there should be some push back?
I didn’t like Umami’s entrance, seemed aggressive and mud-slingy, then with Last and her rolling around each other’s mouths I thought might be something. Last’s “explanation” is weak, but it seems like all I’m going to get there and no one else wanted to talk about it. Could see one in Last/Umami still.
If ZDS is scum this game, he’s dethroning somebody. Scum would’ve won last game if he showed this much wim earlier. He’s hunting and I’m agreeing with a lot of his thoughts. After my horrendous reads last game (hi KJ!), I’m probably gonna sheep Z, except ITF shouldn’t be dinkable this easily. Rhand mentioned that L-2 this early Day one is unusual and I agree.
Rhand has made some questionable statements. I didn’t like how he said he thought KJ rolled scum, begged off pushing or questioning there, and voted Axel after saying he didn’t have any scum reads. Unless it’s wine I think scumRhand doesn’t mess that up?
Tom is fine. I’m always worried back of my mind that this is the game he uses his “infallibility” to mislynch me, but I jived with his “Rod Brain TransferenceTM” and his thread presence doesn’t look like someone trying to steer the game.
GJ doesn’t like how I play, which I can understand. It makes it hard to work with him though, actually let’s take a minute and break that down.
I don’t play like Tom, or Shadow, or Rodemy, or Last, or Johnny, or Rhand.
And that’s fine. I don’t care if you can’t read me as town, I’m looking for scum. If I see something that pings me, I’ll bring it up but I’m not going to clog the thread with musings that don’t mean anything. This is especially noticeable day one when there’s no information to work with. I’d rather be right than admired, sure than celebrated and I’m never comfortable putting more of myself on the table than required. I was so wrong last game, that I’m sitting on my hands more than usual and more than I should. But it’d be a mistake to assume that means I’m not playing, that I’m not watching the game and hunting for potential scum.
This is becoming a ramble.
Not sus:
ZDS
Tom
Johnny
Rod
Vaimes
Killjoy
Kinda sus:
Rhand
Shadow
Grape
M+7
Jack
ITF
Axel
Sus:
Umami/Last
That’s more concisely where I’m at fwiw.
Most of the kinda sus is people I’m wanting to see more of, ITF would probably be lower if it didn’t seem so easy.
These are the top three on my list, but I haven’t played enough to feel any semblance of strength. GJ and KJ I do feel reasonably good on, but sloth doesn’t fit there.
I have an incredibly strong null read on Tom, does that count?
Sloth shouldn’t actually be that high, but it seemed funny to put him there are sheer personality.
GJ, still think you’re an easy town read.
Last moved more than anyone else as I went. But it’s Last so yeah.
Vaimes’ readlist was hot garbage (more the layout and how it was setup vs the order) and that is severely lowering him in my eyes. He’s not a good day 1 lynch and I would have him townlean other than the list.
Oh rhand....uh, you’re scum for calling me scum early game. Amidoingitright?
Vote ITF
Want a claim, completely unmoved by his pressure response, and if he flips scum, Tom being impressed by it is super sketch.
I’ve spent this entire day so far prodding at ZDS, trying to figure out if he was the kill target, or if he was scum who tried to kill.
He sorted PR and would have been a good kill target. Not gonna lie, I also kind of thought he could have been scum, so jailing him was a win/win. (Also, since he already stated as much, I have a role read on him having to do with not being night activated)
Eh that can mean 3 things:
Tubba is telling the truth and Shadow tried to kill ZDS
Tubba is telling the truth and ZDS tried to kill someone
Tubba is lying
@Tubba: were you trying to block or protect?
I have to do both but I was trying to protect, ZDS is like 98% percent town.
My flavor is “The Liveware Problem, Militarized Culture SuperLifter” and I use effectors to hold someone in place (protecting them from kills but rendering them unable to act).
I was somewhat expecting a doc claim from shadow (since there's not a lot of claims that would make sense in this situation), not a counter jailer claim. Jailer isn't a common role AFAIK.
In any case we are guaranteed a scum lynch either toDay or toMorrow so whatever.
shadow, why is Tubba's flavour claim relevant?
Tubba, why are you assuming I didn't perform the NK? Even if I'm "98% town" you should at least consider the possibility.
Eh that can mean 3 things:
Tubba is telling the truth and Shadow tried to kill ZDS
Tubba is telling the truth and ZDS tried to kill someone
Tubba is lying
@Tubba: were you trying to block or protect?
I have to do both but I was trying to protect, ZDS is like 98% percent town.
I'm sorry after last game I refuse to believe this 98 is way too high.
@ZDS: And jailer has become more common in the past few years, it’s a good role for balancing because using it successfully still doesn’t give you perfect information. And we can’t do the “watch the doc, doc the watcher” loop, but I can certainly wifom it and make scum have a nightmare trying to decide if I’ll protect GJ or you.
It might not be right but im thinking about lynching elsewhere and seeing how a night plays out.
Almost certainly whichever of them performed the kill is a goon/unimportant mafia role so its probably pretty low risk
It might not be right but im thinking about lynching elsewhere and seeing how a night plays out.
Almost certainly whichever of them performed the kill is a goon/unimportant mafia role so its probably pretty low risk
No. Bad Tom, you know better. And that also means GJ doesn’t have good info going into night. Like explain to me the best case scenario here?
im actually thinking of you pushing people as the defense in this scenario.
But do you mean your unexplained "hot take" that axel is scum?
I will never understand sports.
I think you mean "lazily but efficiently explained "hot take" that axel is scum", thank you very much.
so why are you asking why i think its lazy?
Because the question wasn't how my case was lazy, but how me choosing to go after Axel, right off the bat, with little voiced reasons, fully admitting I had barely glanced at the first 20+ pages of the game, and with full knowledge that I would be raining attention and scrutiny down on me by doing so (which...didn't happen? lolwhat?), could be lazy.
Shadow, I can't help but be paranoid of you, especially based on your signature.
I am giving you a lot of credit because your tone was excited to me. If you were a wolf that targeted someone, and got the hint you were watched, what would you have done differently?
@Tubba: Outside of you and Shadow, who looks the worse from reactions to all of this?
It might not be right but im thinking about lynching elsewhere and seeing how a night plays out.
Almost certainly whichever of them performed the kill is a goon/unimportant mafia role so its probably pretty low risk
No. Bad Tom, you know better. And that also means GJ doesn’t have good info going into night. Like explain to me the best case scenario here?
yeah thats why it might not be right.
I guess best case is hitting the actual scum manipulative role with the lynch and then you or tubba stopping another kill
But the risk of putting it off a day and trying for that seems lower than the risk of mislynching town jk...
im actually thinking of you pushing people as the defense in this scenario.
But do you mean your unexplained "hot take" that axel is scum?
I will never understand sports.
I think you mean "lazily but efficiently explained "hot take" that axel is scum", thank you very much.
so why are you asking why i think its lazy?
Because the question wasn't how my case was lazy, but how me choosing to go after Axel, right off the bat, with little voiced reasons, fully admitting I had barely glanced at the first 20+ pages of the game, and with full knowledge that I would be raining attention and scrutiny down on me by doing so (which...didn't happen? lolwhat?), could be lazy.
oh
Then the answer is because its factually lazy
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The metaphor is how it felt to be pushed by you.
You are giving axel no more than a light breeze
@tubba: you’re at L-2. Please claim.
I do want to say, if Tubba genuinely believes his Day 1 play was townie and/or was the best he could do then I am very worried for him.
I also wanted to see if we could get something interesting out of him VS Rhand, since I scumspect them both, but Johnny's claim got in the way.
Not that I'm complaining.
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A better question than "why didn't tom and Grapefruit (don't forget Grapefruit) manage to stir a wagon on Jack" is "why didn't the multiple players who also suspected Jack join them?"
Well?
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I am not claiming anything. Buzz off Rhand, go fish elsewhere. I also don't want shadow to claim, at least not before Tubba does. Maybe I'll reconsider after that. Or if Rhand actually hammered, we'll see toMorrow after the flip.
Regarding the set-up, if I'm right about something (not saying what) then the game is *not* broken.
Unless tubba is scum. Then it would have been great.
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Though I'm not interested in a speedy Lynch
Gunna see what happens, plus others still haven't even posted today
Back to work
We need tubba’s claim now.
That post you're quoting is in response to tom, and tom's case. And like I said: If what he's saying is true, yeah, I agree, there's a good chance Jack's scum. I also pointed out I haven't read anything on Jack yet, certainly not anything that backs up tom's assessment. Until I do, here we are.
When I say townlean, I'm talking in terms of impressions and feelings that are hard to verbalize and back up with concrete examples. When I say reads, that's when I can talk more about what I'm seeing, and it can be a weak read or a strong read, but it's always a step above just a lean. Leans are leans and don't mean anything you should hang your hat on.
I mean everything.
What I expect to happen is that I'll forget them and have to start over, rather than just ISO myself. I don't think you're understanding how much my attention is being pulled a thousand different ways even as I write this sentence - it's a busy time to be an essential worker. Sorry, but this is the only way I can play the game.
Do you think this is scummy behavior from me?
Catching up, looking forward to reading about how scummy Tubba is.
I’m a jailkeeper, looks like I finally guessed right. Certainly would’ve preferred to not be outed but that’s a post game discussion, and at least we net scum.
Also why is tom only scum with Vaimes? I don't think you explained that.
Better than Vaimes in every wayYou feel like you're holding things close to the vest as ocmparision to last game.[/quote]hm. Okay. Can you give an example of this behavior?(Baby, I know it)@Tubba what's a jailkeeper?
But do you mean your unexplained "hot take" that axel is scum?
Tubba is telling the truth and Shadow tried to kill ZDS
Tubba is telling the truth and ZDS tried to kill someone
Tubba is lying
@Tubba: were you trying to block or protect?
I think you mean "lazily but efficiently explained "hot take" that axel is scum", thank you very much.
It's a meh claim, neither awful nor clearing.
Speaking of claiming, I did not want to reveal anything but since it has become relevant: I do not have an active ability and have no clue if I've been roleblocked/jailed. So I cannot confirm or deny Tubba's claim.
Maybe shadow should claim but *not yet*. I want to see people react to the situation first and give their opinion on the matter. For future analysis.
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I'm trying to figure out if Sloth's reads/leans are organic considering he can't put much effort into the game. I'll see in the long term.
Tubba being JK is possible just see what Shadow says now. What worries me is that we have hit the worst case where only town Visited ZDS which while very unlikely is a ***** possibly.
Even if we get one scum from this not sure if out tung 2 town PRs is worth. I suppose we get town confirms on GJ ZDS and one of the others st least. Just wait and see now I guess
I take it people are not informed if RB here or does it depend on the host.
is convenientmakes the worst case scenario unlikely.[Spoiler]
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He sorted PR and would have been a good kill target. Not gonna lie, I also kind of thought he could have been scum, so jailing him was a win/win. (Also, since he already stated as much, I have a role read on him having to do with not being night activated)
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so why are you asking why i think its lazy?
Basically lock the target down, they can’t be killed and can’t use any of their abilities
In any case we are guaranteed a scum lynch either toDay or toMorrow so whatever.
shadow, why is Tubba's flavour claim relevant?
Tubba, why are you assuming I didn't perform the NK? Even if I'm "98% town" you should at least consider the possibility.
I'm sorry after last game I refuse to believe this 98 is way too high.
Almost certainly whichever of them performed the kill is a goon/unimportant mafia role so its probably pretty low risk
I was thinking <watcher + bodyguard> but this is another viable way to go
And yes JK is a reasonably common role
Top 10 or 20 prolly
I am giving you a lot of credit because your tone was excited to me. If you were a wolf that targeted someone, and got the hint you were watched, what would you have done differently?
@Tubba: Outside of you and Shadow, who looks the worse from reactions to all of this?
Actually, shadow same question.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I guess best case is hitting the actual scum manipulative role with the lynch and then you or tubba stopping another kill
But the risk of putting it off a day and trying for that seems lower than the risk of mislynching town jk...
Then the answer is because its factually lazy
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The metaphor is how it felt to be pushed by you.
You are giving axel no more than a light breeze
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