In addition, I even admit that that seems like a huge flaw in my view and unlikely in the very post you're referring to, so stop being unhelpful and actually work with me. I refuse to just write off any angles.
There is 1 spy between Rhand/Umani
0-1 spy between Rhand/Umani/Vaimes
1-2 Spies between KJ/Shadow
That's my view point. Vote counts, I don't really know how to take, becuase if I was a spy, I would just vote no to every single outcome, or vote seemingly at random. Trying to sweep this round is far more risky than just assuming the rebels succeed mission 5. As long as I am an outcast, mission 5 is dead anyway, so there.
The fact that I watched you try to build teams, and realize they don't work, BUT STILL kept me on them is lolsy beyond imagination. Biggest point against Rhand is that he hasn't tried at all. My issue at this point is that if it is Rhand, the other wolf from mission 1 is exactly vaimes. Is that possible? Sure, but then that leaves the one wolf between KJ/Shadow.
That's where I am at right now. If Umani is the wolf, team is exactly Umani/Shadow/KJ. That makes life so much easier for me
In addition, I even admit that that seems like a huge flaw in my view and unlikely in the very post you're referring to, so stop being unhelpful and actually work with me. I refuse to just write off any angles.
I am being plenty helpful, despite being ignored and immediately labeled as a spy. The fact that you based your world building theory off the fact that me/Umani were spies, and she read my mind (or viceversa) to only allow 1 fail for mission 3 told me from the start, that trying to reason you was off the table.
Hell, I was really hoping you were the last spy just to end this madness. Today is just an exercise in masochism if you still think I am a spy tomorrow.
Look at his list again: There is no way he lists Umani on a mission where he is a rebel and knows sloth isn't a spy. Since Sloth isn't a spy as today isn't ending, if Vaimes was a rebel, he would KNOW that Umani would have to be a spy here, which means that he was the no vote on mission 3, and the other two are shadow KJ.
Sloth, you name Yourself/Me/Umani +1. That will pass. Look hard at KJ and Shadow. Pretty hard to do that since neither was on a relevent mission. Probably just a coin flip.
Look at his list again: [(1) There is no way he lists Umani on a mission where he is a rebel and knows sloth isn't a spy]. Since Sloth isn't a spy as today isn't ending, if Vaimes was a rebel, he would KNOW that Umani would have to be a spy here, [(2)which means that he was the no vote on mission 3], [(3)and the other two are shadow KJ].
I don't follow what you're saying about Vaimes:
(1) do you mean proposal 4.1? or #712? In 4.1, it jibes with him thinking I was scum over Umami, which he was vocal about at the time. In #712, he's explaining why he voted no on 4.2 (believes scum in Shadow & {me/Umami}). These aren't "obviously true" reasons (they could be lies), but they are plausible enough, so I'm not seeing what tilted you about them.
What do you mean specially for the bolded/underlined? In a world where he is rebel, how would he know I'm not spy? It wasn't "clear" till this round of proposals.
(2) Vaimes...was not in mission 3, which was you/Rhand/Umami. He was in mission 2, I assume that's what you mean here.
(3) ...so, wait, it's no longer Rhand/Vaimes to you? It's Vaimes/KJ/Shadow?
As for,
I am in a world where it's Vaimes/Rhand as spies
You need to explain in what world would Rhand vote to reject 4.1 as scum, with Vaimes (or Umami). Why would he do that, that makes no sense - why do you think he's scum at this point?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Look at his list again: [(1) There is no way he lists Umani on a mission where he is a rebel and knows sloth isn't a spy]. Since Sloth isn't a spy as today isn't ending, if Vaimes was a rebel, he would KNOW that Umani would have to be a spy here, [(2)which means that he was the no vote on mission 3], [(3)and the other two are shadow KJ].
I don't follow what you're saying about Vaimes:
(1) do you mean proposal 4.1? or #712? In 4.1, it jibes with him thinking I was scum over Umami, which he was vocal about at the time. In #712, he's explaining why he voted no on 4.2 (believes scum in Shadow & {me/Umami}). These aren't "obviously true" reasons (they could be lies), but they are plausible enough, so I'm not seeing what tilted you about them.
What do you mean specially for the bolded/underlined? In a world where he is rebel, how would he know I'm not spy? It wasn't "clear" till this round of proposals.
(2) Vaimes...was not in mission 3, which was you/Rhand/Umami. He was in mission 2, I assume that's what you mean here.
(3) ...so, wait, it's no longer Rhand/Vaimes to you? It's Vaimes/KJ/Shadow?
As for,
I am in a world where it's Vaimes/Rhand as spies
You need to explain in what world would Rhand vote to reject 4.1 as scum, with Vaimes (or Umami). Why would he do that, that makes no sense - why do you think he's scum at this point?
The game is solved from Vaimes perspective.
1). You haven't nominated a team, meaning you are a rebel because you could win right now.
2). Since you have to be a rebel, and he is a rebel, the only rebel from mission 2 would be Umani.
3). No one other than you have this silly idea that there were two spies on mission 3, so Umani as a spy makes sense.
4). Since Mission 3 only had a single fail, it would mean that he should safety say that KJ/Shadow are the final spies.
Let's say he does buy into me and Umani as buddies, look at this list:
Rhand, Shadow, Sloth, Umami
Why would he not suggest himself over Umani, since he is not only allowing a known wolf into the pile, but then flipping a coin with shadow because.....why?
Why not gamble with Shadow and KJ then if he truly buys his theory? It makes absolutely no sense to include Umani in his list for a mission team for you.
Look at his list again: [(1) There is no way he lists Umani on a mission where he is a rebel and knows sloth isn't a spy]. Since Sloth isn't a spy as today isn't ending, if Vaimes was a rebel, he would KNOW that Umani would have to be a spy here, [(2)which means that he was the no vote on mission 3], [(3)and the other two are shadow KJ].
I don't follow what you're saying about Vaimes:
(1) do you mean proposal 4.1? or #712? In 4.1, it jibes with him thinking I was scum over Umami, which he was vocal about at the time. In #712, he's explaining why he voted no on 4.2 (believes scum in Shadow & {me/Umami}). These aren't "obviously true" reasons (they could be lies), but they are plausible enough, so I'm not seeing what tilted you about them.
What do you mean specially for the bolded/underlined? In a world where he is rebel, how would he know I'm not spy? It wasn't "clear" till this round of proposals.
(2) Vaimes...was not in mission 3, which was you/Rhand/Umami. He was in mission 2, I assume that's what you mean here.
(3) ...so, wait, it's no longer Rhand/Vaimes to you? It's Vaimes/KJ/Shadow?
As for,
I am in a world where it's Vaimes/Rhand as spies
You need to explain in what world would Rhand vote to reject 4.1 as scum, with Vaimes (or Umami). Why would he do that, that makes no sense - why do you think he's scum at this point?
You care about votes FAR too much, especially on this particular set of things. He doesn't need to fail this mission, he just needs this mission OR THE NEXT ONE to fail. The next one is far easier to fail.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I can’t figure out a single team anymore where the voting makes sense.
Vaimes almost has to be a spy for accepting 4.3 AND 4.4
I think that makes GJ the spy in mission 3 (risking a 2-spy mission in mission 2 would be awful, so spy!Vaimes = rebel!Umami)
That means Vaimes / GJ / KJ or Shadow.
Vaimes' {KJ/Rhand/Umami/Vaimes} < 1 scum at a minimum
Rhand's {Rhand/Shadow/Sloth/Umami} < (note: only KJ voted yes here)
KJ's {KJ/Sloth/Umami/Vaimes} < 1 scum at a minimum (note: potentially scum!Umami did not vote)
Shadow's {Rhand/Shadow/Umami/Vaimes} < 1 scum at a minimum
If it’s KJ, then:
Vaimes proposed the winning mission but GJ didn’t accept
- GJ must have been assuming both me and Umami wouldn’t accept to make this vote. Umami had rejected random
missions before and I did not accept, so it is possible he took the safe path with good reasoning.
My mission was all rebels but KJ accepted
- KJ can have accepted this to show he accepted a mission that would pass, hoping to replace Shadow on the last one? Weird move though.
KJ proposed the winning mission but GJ didn’t accept
- I already rejected once with me on it, he could safely assume I would do that again.
Shadow’s mission would have passed
If it’s Shadow, then:
Vaimes proposed a mission that would pass
- but also put him in a good spot for mission 5
My mission would have passed
KJ’s mission would have passed
Shadow proposed the winning mission but GJ didn’t accept
GJ is the weird one in both scenario’s.
If he’s not a spy, then it has to be Shadow/KJ/Umami.
Which makes no sense at all because all 4 missions had umami + 1 of Shadow/KJ and none of them got accepted.
Umami/Vaimes/Shadow: all 4 missions are fails.
Umami/Vaimes/KJ: only my mission would pass.
Umami/GJ/Shadow: my mission would have failed, Shadow proposed a fail but GJ didn’t accept
Umami/GJ/KJ: Vaimes and KJ proposed failing missions, neither was accepted by GJ.
Vaimes/GJ/Shadow seems to make the most sense of all teams, with Vaimes trying to go for an auto-include in mission 5 and Shadow for the win in Mission 4.
And GJ banking on town casting the votes they need.
It explains why Vaimes keeps voting yes on any mission that includes himself. He doesn’t seem to care about who else is on there that can possibly fail it.
The only team that can exist within Vaimes’ voting is Shadow/Sloth/GJ.
This might be a bad reason, but Vaimes has not really shined as town to me lately, and I want to resolve this game.
GJ's scum. He's rung opportunistic and manipulative to me this entire proposal.
GJ/Umami is possible, but if GJ is just scum whose only goal is to vote "no" on every mission that doesn't include him as a default strategy, whether or not he voted to pass the proposals that would have won his team the game becomes irrelevant, so GJ/Vaimes becomes more likely.
I don't get play like that, but I cannot think of any other explanation.
If this passes, there was only one scum, and it was GJ. Mission 5 should be me/Rhand/Umami/KJ.
If this fails, gg scum. I have no clue why you would play it this way, though I cannot argue with the results.
Alright, go on and vote - P.S. I better get a freaking medal for being the only player that's been using the approved format for proposals. GLGL
This might be a bad reason, but Vaimes has not really shined as town to me lately, and I want to resolve this game.
GJ's scum. He's rung opportunistic and manipulative to me this entire proposal.
GJ/Umami is possible, but if GJ is just scum whose only goal is to vote "no" on every mission that doesn't include him as a default strategy, whether or not he voted to pass the proposals that would have won his team the game becomes irrelevant, so GJ/Vaimes becomes more likely.
I don't get play like that, but I cannot think of any other explanation.
If this passes, there was only one scum, and it was GJ. Mission 5 should be me/Rhand/Umami/KJ.
If this fails, gg scum. I have no clue why you would play it this way, though I cannot argue with the results.
Alright, go on and vote - P.S. I better get a freaking medal for being the only player that's been using the approved format for proposals. GLGL
Dude. If this passes, it means I am lock clear you to chuckle head. Unless your argument is that a rebel voted no on mission 2 for the lols.
Oh, it probably is. I just haven't done the grunt work and looked at proposals/votes.
You literally until this game deadlocked would have been unsure if sloth or Umani was the rebel, and that effects your entire world building per mission 3. Sloth confirmed rebel, means Umani confirmed spy (from your perspective. Single failure on mission 3. I am barely paying attention to the game and I figured that out.
@Sloth: I mean, the mission is going to pass, so I don't really get what you are going on about or how I am being manipulative. If I am a rebel, I cannot allow a mission to go on without me BECAUSE YOU ******* FAIL IF YOU GET A SINGLE REBEL PER NEXT MISSION.
Oh, it probably is. I just haven't done the grunt work and looked at proposals/votes.
You literally until this game deadlocked would have been unsure if sloth or Umani was the rebel, and that effects your entire world building per mission 3. Sloth confirmed rebel, means Umani confirmed spy (from your perspective. Single failure on mission 3. I am barely paying attention to the game and I figured that out.
@Sloth: I mean, the mission is going to pass, so I don't really get what you are going on about or how I am being manipulative. If I am a rebel, I cannot allow a mission to go on without me BECAUSE YOU ******* FAIL IF YOU GET A SINGLE SPY* PER NEXT MISSION.
I mean, yeah, which is why spies would be trying to manipulate themselves into Mission 5.
Look, if it's not you, it's Umami. If it's Umami, she can only be with KJ/Shadow.
If the team is KJ/Umami/Shadow, why the hell...
...did the game not end 4.1, 4.2, 4.3 or 4.4?
...all 3 of them keep voting to reject missions that would have won them the game, separately?
...did literally everyone vote to reject 4.2?
If they are a team, there's no ******* coordination here at all. I know that there's no daychat, but they're not even trying to work towards their wincon.
Like I said, maybe I'm worng but if I am, GG scum, you managed to completely confuse the hell out of me for reasons that I still honestly do not comprehend. @Rhand you were actually discussing the possibility of this same team after 4.2's vote. Is it feeling more or less likely now and why?
Oh right.
I’m wondering: why not immediately go for what you think is the winning team?
Because I will not be "sure" ("""sure""") that it's the winning team until this one passes.
I could have done Mission 2 + you for an easy pass too, but that would just mean next proposal we're wining ourselves out of our minds and panicking in unfiltered chaos, and it leaves everything up to what is essentially just chance.
At least with this, we either lose or approach mission 5 with certainty. If we still lose after that, well, at least I tried my best to get a clear picture and it won't just feel random. I'll feel beaten, not cheated. Which still sucks, but hey.
...Oh good, sudden spike of panic that Rhand is pocketing me. How I've missed this feeling.
Frankly if you are, kudos for doing it in the most...nonsensical pointless fashion I've ever heard of. I will have a hard time believing that's true even after the flips. Sigh.
...Oh good, sudden spike of panic that Rhand is pocketing me. How I've missed this feeling.
Frankly if you are, kudos for doing it in the most...nonsensical pointless fashion I've ever heard of. I will have a hard time believing that's true even after the flips. Sigh.
@Rhand you were actually discussing the possibility of this same team [Sloth edit: meaning KJ/Shadow/Umami] after 4.2's vote. Is it feeling more or less likely now and why?
Oh, it probably is. I just haven't done the grunt work and looked at proposals/votes.
You literally until this game deadlocked would have been unsure if sloth or Umani was the rebel, and that effects your entire world building per mission 3. Sloth confirmed rebel, means Umani confirmed spy (from your perspective. Single failure on mission 3. I am barely paying attention to the game and I figured that out.
@Sloth: I mean, the mission is going to pass, so I don't really get what you are going on about or how I am being manipulative. If I am a rebel, I cannot allow a mission to go on without me BECAUSE YOU ******* FAIL IF YOU GET A SINGLE SPY* PER NEXT MISSION.
I mean, yeah, which is why spies would be trying to manipulate themselves into Mission 5.
Look, if it's not you, it's Umami. If it's Umami, she can only be with KJ/Shadow.
If the team is KJ/Umami/Shadow, why the hell...
...did the game not end 4.1, 4.2, 4.3 or 4.4?
...all 3 of them keep voting to reject missions that would have won them the game, separately?
...did literally everyone vote to reject 4.2?
If they are a team, there's no ******* coordination here at all. I know that there's no daychat, but they're not even trying to work towards their wincon.
Like I said, maybe I'm worng but if I am, GG scum, you managed to completely confuse the hell out of me for reasons that I still honestly do not comprehend. @Rhand you were actually discussing the possibility of this same team after 4.2's vote. Is it feeling more or less likely now and why?
Oh gee Golly, it's almost like the vote count for the hardest mission for the spies to fail means that why chance giving away anything to vote, and why risk all going yes on a mission when it could possibly fail.
If I was a spy, I would just vote no on every mission because why does it ******* matter? Why try to get cute here, and potentially out my team, when I can just **** around this mission and win on probably the easiest mission to fail?
Your questions are irrelevant. The vote counts for this mission don't actually matter. The only way you'd probably get all 3 spies to vote yes is if all three spies were in a single group.
Why did they vote no? Because they don't know how everyone else is going to vote.
Besides, you aren't listening to me. That's how Vaimes would view the game if he were a rebel. From my perspective, I think it's Vaimes/Rhand+ 1 of KJ/Shadow. Umani is lock wolf, regardless of any other read Vaimes might or might not have from his perspective, right?
He is trying to backpedal pretty hard. If Vaimes is a spy, it means Rhand is a spy as well. You call me manipulative, but you use some strain of logic that that set can't be the spies because why vote no. And yet, when that same logic would clear me, you dismiss it because.... I would troll my own team and vote no each time?
If you really think Umani is the wolf from 2, only possible team for you is Shadow/KJ. That's a fact, and there is nothing you could argue otherwise unless you want to tin foil that we played chicken correctly.
@Rhand you were actually discussing the possibility of this same team [Sloth edit: meaning KJ/Shadow/Umami] after 4.2's vote. Is it feeling more or less likely now and why?
It’s still my tinfoil, but that’s a fail on every single mission and I feel like we would’ve lost already if that’s it
A mission that doesn't have me, and has a guarnteed spy on it with Rhand AND Umani, and only passes if he correctly picked out of Shadow and KJ?
HELLLLLL NAW
This tells me you think there's spy in Rhand and Umami.
Why Rhand?
Why Umami?
Like, as I reread, this tells me you just aren't in general able to think from other people's perspectives, so you aren't ever going to get my point about Why the game is solved for Vaimes, and it should just be easy at this stage.
Why from my rebel perspective is there a spy between Rhand and Umani? I don't have the faintest idea...
Still, carry on please.
Ugh so much posting today.
0-1 spy between Rhand/Umani/Vaimes
1-2 Spies between KJ/Shadow
That's my view point. Vote counts, I don't really know how to take, becuase if I was a spy, I would just vote no to every single outcome, or vote seemingly at random. Trying to sweep this round is far more risky than just assuming the rebels succeed mission 5. As long as I am an outcast, mission 5 is dead anyway, so there.
The fact that I watched you try to build teams, and realize they don't work, BUT STILL kept me on them is lolsy beyond imagination. Biggest point against Rhand is that he hasn't tried at all. My issue at this point is that if it is Rhand, the other wolf from mission 1 is exactly vaimes. Is that possible? Sure, but then that leaves the one wolf between KJ/Shadow.
That's where I am at right now. If Umani is the wolf, team is exactly Umani/Shadow/KJ. That makes life so much easier for me
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Irrelevant, as long as I am seen as a spy. Mission 5 will fail. Could believe he nominated 1 spy, cvould believe 0 if Vaimes is a spy.
Did you mean mindstream 696?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I am being plenty helpful, despite being ignored and immediately labeled as a spy. The fact that you based your world building theory off the fact that me/Umani were spies, and she read my mind (or viceversa) to only allow 1 fail for mission 3 told me from the start, that trying to reason you was off the table.
Hell, I was really hoping you were the last spy just to end this madness. Today is just an exercise in masochism if you still think I am a spy tomorrow.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I have no idea what I was thinking when 4.2 happened. "One spy in Sloth/Umami and shadow maybe a spy," probably.
Make your proposal so this game can get moving. If it comes down to a coinflip, then so it goes.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Sloth, you name Yourself/Me/Umani +1. That will pass. Look hard at KJ and Shadow. Pretty hard to do that since neither was on a relevent mission. Probably just a coin flip.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
(1) do you mean proposal 4.1? or #712? In 4.1, it jibes with him thinking I was scum over Umami, which he was vocal about at the time. In #712, he's explaining why he voted no on 4.2 (believes scum in Shadow & {me/Umami}). These aren't "obviously true" reasons (they could be lies), but they are plausible enough, so I'm not seeing what tilted you about them.
What do you mean specially for the bolded/underlined? In a world where he is rebel, how would he know I'm not spy? It wasn't "clear" till this round of proposals.
(2) Vaimes...was not in mission 3, which was you/Rhand/Umami. He was in mission 2, I assume that's what you mean here.
(3) ...so, wait, it's no longer Rhand/Vaimes to you? It's Vaimes/KJ/Shadow?
As for, You need to explain in what world would Rhand vote to reject 4.1 as scum, with Vaimes (or Umami). Why would he do that, that makes no sense - why do you think he's scum at this point?
You're not just trolling us here, right? If you are just take your win. End this.
The game is solved from Vaimes perspective.
1). You haven't nominated a team, meaning you are a rebel because you could win right now.
2). Since you have to be a rebel, and he is a rebel, the only rebel from mission 2 would be Umani.
3). No one other than you have this silly idea that there were two spies on mission 3, so Umani as a spy makes sense.
4). Since Mission 3 only had a single fail, it would mean that he should safety say that KJ/Shadow are the final spies.
Let's say he does buy into me and Umani as buddies, look at this list:
Why would he not suggest himself over Umani, since he is not only allowing a known wolf into the pile, but then flipping a coin with shadow because.....why?
Why not gamble with Shadow and KJ then if he truly buys his theory? It makes absolutely no sense to include Umani in his list for a mission team for you.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
You care about votes FAR too much, especially on this particular set of things. He doesn't need to fail this mission, he just needs this mission OR THE NEXT ONE to fail. The next one is far easier to fail.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The game is actually solved if Vaimes is a rebel from his perspective. Is he acting like its solved?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Vaimes almost has to be a spy for accepting 4.3 AND 4.4
I think that makes GJ the spy in mission 3 (risking a 2-spy mission in mission 2 would be awful, so spy!Vaimes = rebel!Umami)
That means Vaimes / GJ / KJ or Shadow.
Vaimes' {KJ/Rhand/Umami/Vaimes} < 1 scum at a minimum
Rhand's {Rhand/Shadow/Sloth/Umami} < (note: only KJ voted yes here)
KJ's {KJ/Sloth/Umami/Vaimes} < 1 scum at a minimum (note: potentially scum!Umami did not vote)
Shadow's {Rhand/Shadow/Umami/Vaimes} < 1 scum at a minimum
If it’s KJ, then:
Vaimes proposed the winning mission but GJ didn’t accept
- GJ must have been assuming both me and Umami wouldn’t accept to make this vote. Umami had rejected random
missions before and I did not accept, so it is possible he took the safe path with good reasoning.
My mission was all rebels but KJ accepted
- KJ can have accepted this to show he accepted a mission that would pass, hoping to replace Shadow on the last one? Weird move though.
KJ proposed the winning mission but GJ didn’t accept
- I already rejected once with me on it, he could safely assume I would do that again.
Shadow’s mission would have passed
If it’s Shadow, then:
Vaimes proposed a mission that would pass
- but also put him in a good spot for mission 5
My mission would have passed
KJ’s mission would have passed
Shadow proposed the winning mission but GJ didn’t accept
GJ is the weird one in both scenario’s.
If he’s not a spy, then it has to be Shadow/KJ/Umami.
Which makes no sense at all because all 4 missions had umami + 1 of Shadow/KJ and none of them got accepted.
Umami/Vaimes/Shadow: all 4 missions are fails.
Umami/Vaimes/KJ: only my mission would pass.
Umami/GJ/Shadow: my mission would have failed, Shadow proposed a fail but GJ didn’t accept
Umami/GJ/KJ: Vaimes and KJ proposed failing missions, neither was accepted by GJ.
And GJ banking on town casting the votes they need.
It explains why Vaimes keeps voting yes on any mission that includes himself. He doesn’t seem to care about who else is on there that can possibly fail it.
The only team that can exist within Vaimes’ voting is Shadow/Sloth/GJ.
Proposal 4.5: Rhand, Sloth, GJ, Umami
This might be a bad reason, but Vaimes has not really shined as town to me lately, and I want to resolve this game.
GJ's scum. He's rung opportunistic and manipulative to me this entire proposal.
GJ/Umami is possible, but if GJ is just scum whose only goal is to vote "no" on every mission that doesn't include him as a default strategy, whether or not he voted to pass the proposals that would have won his team the game becomes irrelevant, so GJ/Vaimes becomes more likely.
I don't get play like that, but I cannot think of any other explanation.
If this passes, there was only one scum, and it was GJ. Mission 5 should be me/Rhand/Umami/KJ.
If this fails, gg scum. I have no clue why you would play it this way, though I cannot argue with the results.
Alright, go on and vote - P.S. I better get a freaking medal for being the only player that's been using the approved format for proposals. GLGL
And this looks like a very scary proposal lol.
I’m wondering: why not immediately go for what you think is the winning team?
Dude. If this passes, it means I am lock clear you to chuckle head. Unless your argument is that a rebel voted no on mission 2 for the lols.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
You literally until this game deadlocked would have been unsure if sloth or Umani was the rebel, and that effects your entire world building per mission 3. Sloth confirmed rebel, means Umani confirmed spy (from your perspective. Single failure on mission 3. I am barely paying attention to the game and I figured that out.
@Sloth: I mean, the mission is going to pass, so I don't really get what you are going on about or how I am being manipulative. If I am a rebel, I cannot allow a mission to go on without me BECAUSE YOU ******* FAIL IF YOU GET A SINGLE REBEL PER NEXT MISSION.
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Anyway, there's no point in voting pass/fail if there are two spies on the mission, so once Grape gets in we'll know whether it's gg or not.
Look, if it's not you, it's Umami. If it's Umami, she can only be with KJ/Shadow.
If the team is KJ/Umami/Shadow, why the hell...
...did the game not end 4.1, 4.2, 4.3 or 4.4?
...all 3 of them keep voting to reject missions that would have won them the game, separately?
...did literally everyone vote to reject 4.2?
If they are a team, there's no ******* coordination here at all. I know that there's no daychat, but they're not even trying to work towards their wincon.
Like I said, maybe I'm worng but if I am, GG scum, you managed to completely confuse the hell out of me for reasons that I still honestly do not comprehend.
@Rhand you were actually discussing the possibility of this same team after 4.2's vote. Is it feeling more or less likely now and why?
Umami
GJ
Vaimes
Rhand
Killjoy
This is the proposal order. Umami/Rhand it comes down to one of you.
I could have done Mission 2 + you for an easy pass too, but that would just mean next proposal we're wining ourselves out of our minds and panicking in unfiltered chaos, and it leaves everything up to what is essentially just chance.
At least with this, we either lose or approach mission 5 with certainty. If we still lose after that, well, at least I tried my best to get a clear picture and it won't just feel random. I'll feel beaten, not cheated. Which still sucks, but hey.
Frankly if you are, kudos for doing it in the most...nonsensical pointless fashion I've ever heard of. I will have a hard time believing that's true even after the flips. Sigh.
Argh, hope this is over soon.
Could you answer #740 when you get a chance?
Not sure what I have ‘t answered there?
Oh gee Golly, it's almost like the vote count for the hardest mission for the spies to fail means that why chance giving away anything to vote, and why risk all going yes on a mission when it could possibly fail.
If I was a spy, I would just vote no on every mission because why does it ******* matter? Why try to get cute here, and potentially out my team, when I can just **** around this mission and win on probably the easiest mission to fail?
Your questions are irrelevant. The vote counts for this mission don't actually matter. The only way you'd probably get all 3 spies to vote yes is if all three spies were in a single group.
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Besides, you aren't listening to me. That's how Vaimes would view the game if he were a rebel. From my perspective, I think it's Vaimes/Rhand+ 1 of KJ/Shadow. Umani is lock wolf, regardless of any other read Vaimes might or might not have from his perspective, right?
He is trying to backpedal pretty hard. If Vaimes is a spy, it means Rhand is a spy as well. You call me manipulative, but you use some strain of logic that that set can't be the spies because why vote no. And yet, when that same logic would clear me, you dismiss it because.... I would troll my own team and vote no each time?
If you really think Umani is the wolf from 2, only possible team for you is Shadow/KJ. That's a fact, and there is nothing you could argue otherwise unless you want to tin foil that we played chicken correctly.
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It’s still my tinfoil, but that’s a fail on every single mission and I feel like we would’ve lost already if that’s it
Like, as I reread, this tells me you just aren't in general able to think from other people's perspectives, so you aren't ever going to get my point about Why the game is solved for Vaimes, and it should just be easy at this stage.
Why from my rebel perspective is there a spy between Rhand and Umani? I don't have the faintest idea...
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