The Resistance isn’t really Mafia, but it shares many similarities. There are 7 players divided into 2 factions. 4 Rebels and 3 Spies.
The Rebels do not know the alignment of any players; The Spies know the identities of their teammates, but do not have a private chat.
(1) There are no Day/Night phases. There is also no death of any kind. Instead, there are 5 Mission Phases.
(2) At the beginning of a Mission Phase, a player will be selected to be the Mission Leader. Whenever a Mission Phase is completed, or a Mission Team (see Paragraph 3) is rejected, the player in the player list directly after the previous Mission Leader will become the new Mission Leader. The first Mission Leader of the game will be the player at the top of the player list (player list will be shuffled before the game begins in the interest of fairness).
(3) After discussion, the Mission Leader will propose a Mission Team by making a post that contains "Proposal (Mission number.proposal number): Player 1, Player 2, etc." on its own, separate line. Bright colors are preferred but not required. The Mission Leader is permitted to put themselves on the Mission Team.
(3.1) The number of players on the Mission Team depends on the mission number. Mission 1 requires 2 players, Missions 2 and 3 require 3 players, and Missions 4 and 5 require 4 players.
(4) Each player votes on the proposed team via PM to the game host only. Votes for or against a Mission Team may be changed any number of times simply by PMing the host again until the deadline; at the deadline, all votes will be revealed simultaneously and the team will be confirmed or denied. Revealed information includes the name of each player and whether they voted to accept the team or reject it. Failure to vote will result in reduced majority requirements for that vote (and also an inactivity prod regardless of prior posting).
(5) If the team earns a majority of assenting votes, that team is confirmed and attempts the mission; otherwise, that team is rejected and the next player sequentially becomes the new Mission Leader (see Paragraph 2). The fifth Mission Team proposed for each mission will be automatically confirmed.
(6) When a Mission Team becomes confirmed, each member of the Mission Team will submit "Pass" or "Fail" to the game host via PM only. If all of the submissions are "Pass", the Mission will succeed. If 1 or more of the submissions is "Fail", the Mission will fail except for Mission 4, which will require two "Fails" to actually fail. In other words, the Fails required to fail will be 1/1/1/2/1. Failure to submit a "Pass" or "Fail" will be counted as a "Pass." At the end of each mission, the number of pass and fail votes is revealed but the names attached to those votes are not.
(7) The Rebels win if 3 Missions pass; the Spies win if 3 Missions fail.
General rules:
1. Be good to each other. Follow all the forum rules, but mostly be good to each other and we'll all be just fine.
2. Play to the spirit of the game. Don't try to circumvent the hidden information. It's supposed to be a game of hidden information. Don't try to get around that, whether by copying your PM, editing posts, or other nefarious means. Game doesn't work if you bypass the fact that some information is supposed to hidden.
3. Please try to be active and post. You must make a substantive post every at least 72 hours, and I will be reaching out if it's been 48 hours without a post or forewarning of absence. More is vastly preferred. I will be issuing replacements/mod-kills at my discretion.
4. If you have a problem with another player's behavior or a question about a ruling please message me. I will answer within no more than 10 hours.
5. I reserve the right to punish as I see fit for breaking any of these rules.
6. Have fun!
Proposal 1.1 by Shadow: Sloth and Shadow Voting 1.1:Shadow nominated himself and Sloth for the mission
Yes (6): GJ, KJ, Rhand, Sloth, Shadow, Vaimes
No (1): Umami
The mission was succesful.
Proposal 2.1 by Sloth: Sloth, Umami, and Vaimes Voting 2.1
Yes: Shadow, Sloth, Vaimes
No: KJ, Rhand, Umami
Did not vote and has received a prod: GJ
Everyone has replied! Game starts now. With the Holiday weekend coming up I'm choosing not to put a deadline on the first discussion/nomination phase. I reserve the right to put one in place if needed.
The nomination order has been randomized and is as follows:
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
How do you think the first mission should be used, Shadow?
Also, I think I was in every Resistance game. Wasn't in Avalon. I've played quite a few IRL games.
Vaimes: Well, for instance now if Shadow picks you for the first mission, I don't know if he wants to solve you or if it's because you asked.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
How do you think the first mission should be used, Shadow?
Also, I think I was in every Resistance game. Wasn't in Avalon. I've played quite a few IRL games.
Vaimes: Well, for instance now if Shadow picks you for the first mission, I don't know if he wants to solve you or if it's because you asked.
I mean...doesn't he want to solve everyone? There's essentially nothing to go on at this point--first mission is usually pretty random.
If this were a mafia game, there would only be two scum, but it’s 4v3. And it only takes one fail to ruin a mission, so the pressure is kind of on to solve the game from the very beginning. We don’t have a ton of wiggle room and we don’t get flips.
Oh, and specifically why the forum version is more scum sided is because we don’t have facial expressions or body language to read into.
Also I feel like this game is lurkier, there are fewer players and sometimes the game is focused on one or two players, so when they’re not around things kind of die.
Vaimes is a rebel. Failing mission one is suicide in this game, so there’s no reason for spies to want to go on it.
I mean the mission thing strikes me as Secret Hitler. It would be an awful idea to throw a facist policy on the first pairing unless you don't have a choice, and the player before you knows you don't have a choice.
But that's not true at all? Bad guys can pass a mission to try to remove suspicion, get good guy cred, and go on later missions. That's why mission 1 always passes not matter what
Anyway, yes, the first mission usually passes because spies want towncred more than they want to get that first fail, when there are more options for pointing the finger elsewhere.
Which makes overthinking the first mission kind of pointless. shadow should put me on a mission, because if there’s anything you can be sure of, it’s that spy!Vaimes doesn’t want a 1v1.
Vaimes is a rebel. Failing mission one is suicide in this game, so there’s no reason for spies to want to go on it.
I mean the mission thing strikes me as Secret Hitler. It would be an awful idea to throw a facist policy on the first pairing unless you don't have a choice, and the player before you knows you don't have a choice.
I haven't played secret hitler--are you just saying that bad guys always pass the first mission?
Anyway, yes, the first mission usually passes because spies want towncred more than they want to get that first fail, when there are more options for pointing the finger elsewhere.
Which makes overthinking the first mission kind of pointless. shadow should put me on a mission, because if there’s anything you can be sure of, it’s that spy!Vaimes doesn’t want a 1v1.
But I’m a rebel so that world isn’t relevant.
Okay--so there's nothing I can be sure of? But, yeah, agree that it's not worth overthinking the first mission nomination. Plus, you're 5 so you get automatic selection anyway
Vaimes is a rebel. Failing mission one is suicide in this game, so there’s no reason for spies to want to go on it.
I mean the mission thing strikes me as Secret Hitler. It would be an awful idea to throw a facist policy on the first pairing unless you don't have a choice, and the player before you knows you don't have a choice.
I haven't played secret hitler--are you just saying that bad guys always pass the first mission?
Not always. Pass or Fail is determined by cards, and there are more fail cards than pass cards, so sometimes the 2 man team can fail, even if both are rebels.
Vaimes is likely correct, based on how this game plays. Why create such an early game dichotomy, especially with a smaller team.
If this were a mafia game, there would only be two scum, but it’s 4v3. And it only takes one fail to ruin a mission, so the pressure is kind of on to solve the game from the very beginning. We don’t have a ton of wiggle room and we don’t get flips.
True, but we get some info (i.e. who votes where.)
This is a game where the winest is king and I am here for it.
I used to play with people who were definitely not afraid to fail the first mission.
And by people I mean fulcrum.
That Is Not Her Name.
Question in general to the group: What information can we glean if a team is rejected? Never played this sort of game before so trying to figure out its pros and cons.
Feeling good about Vaimes so far. He's the center of attention and he wouldn't try to be as scum (?)
Trying not to get burnt like last game though. Perhaps I can't help but trust him when looking into the smoldering dark pools of his eyes...
Is this the game I scumread Rhand? Time will tell!
But yes, #21 is bad for at least 2 reasons off the top of my head.
Feeling good about Vaimes so far. He's the center of attention and he wouldn't try to be as scum (?)
Trying not to get burnt like last game though. Perhaps I can't help but trust him when looking into the smoldering dark pools of his eyes...
Is this the game I scumread Rhand? Time will tell!
But yes, #21 is bad for at least 2 reasons off the top of my head.
VOTE--oh right, I have lost my power. Boo.
Yeah, #21 bothered me, but then I didn't want it to be another fonti situation so I'm trying not to fixate on it. Also, after seeing Rhand come in and read you off that bat, I kind of feel he might have some mystical power and maybe I should just trust his reads, but prob nah since I have no reason to trust him
Yeah, #21 bothered me, but then I didn't want it to be another fonti situation so I'm trying not to fixate on it. Also, after seeing Rhand come in and read you off that bat, I kind of feel he might have some mystical power and maybe I should just trust his reads, but prob nah since I have no reason to trust him
Just a note: As a general rule, we don't talk discuss ongoing games, even if they're in other sites, to maintain the integrity.
A lot of people are laughing incredulously that I was the one to bring this up, I bet.
Though on that topic: there's a difference in bringing up something objectively true and NAI to educate the masses vs. bringing up something...very untrue in many ways and absolutely high in scum-benefit if taken at its word.
Not necessarily what Rhand's doing, but also. What.
The Rebels do not know the alignment of any players; The Spies know the identities of their teammates, but do not have a private chat.
(1) There are no Day/Night phases. There is also no death of any kind. Instead, there are 5 Mission Phases.
(2) At the beginning of a Mission Phase, a player will be selected to be the Mission Leader. Whenever a Mission Phase is completed, or a Mission Team (see Paragraph 3) is rejected, the player in the player list directly after the previous Mission Leader will become the new Mission Leader. The first Mission Leader of the game will be the player at the top of the player list (player list will be shuffled before the game begins in the interest of fairness).
(3) After discussion, the Mission Leader will propose a Mission Team by making a post that contains "Proposal (Mission number.proposal number): Player 1, Player 2, etc." on its own, separate line. Bright colors are preferred but not required. The Mission Leader is permitted to put themselves on the Mission Team.
(3.1) The number of players on the Mission Team depends on the mission number. Mission 1 requires 2 players, Missions 2 and 3 require 3 players, and Missions 4 and 5 require 4 players.
(4) Each player votes on the proposed team via PM to the game host only. Votes for or against a Mission Team may be changed any number of times simply by PMing the host again until the deadline; at the deadline, all votes will be revealed simultaneously and the team will be confirmed or denied. Revealed information includes the name of each player and whether they voted to accept the team or reject it. Failure to vote will result in reduced majority requirements for that vote (and also an inactivity prod regardless of prior posting).
(5) If the team earns a majority of assenting votes, that team is confirmed and attempts the mission; otherwise, that team is rejected and the next player sequentially becomes the new Mission Leader (see Paragraph 2). The fifth Mission Team proposed for each mission will be automatically confirmed.
(6) When a Mission Team becomes confirmed, each member of the Mission Team will submit "Pass" or "Fail" to the game host via PM only. If all of the submissions are "Pass", the Mission will succeed. If 1 or more of the submissions is "Fail", the Mission will fail except for Mission 4, which will require two "Fails" to actually fail. In other words, the Fails required to fail will be 1/1/1/2/1. Failure to submit a "Pass" or "Fail" will be counted as a "Pass." At the end of each mission, the number of pass and fail votes is revealed but the names attached to those votes are not.
(7) The Rebels win if 3 Missions pass; the Spies win if 3 Missions fail.
General rules:
1. Be good to each other. Follow all the forum rules, but mostly be good to each other and we'll all be just fine.
2. Play to the spirit of the game. Don't try to circumvent the hidden information. It's supposed to be a game of hidden information. Don't try to get around that, whether by copying your PM, editing posts, or other nefarious means. Game doesn't work if you bypass the fact that some information is supposed to hidden.
3. Please try to be active and post. You must make a substantive post every at least 72 hours, and I will be reaching out if it's been 48 hours without a post or forewarning of absence. More is vastly preferred. I will be issuing replacements/mod-kills at my discretion.
4. If you have a problem with another player's behavior or a question about a ruling please message me. I will answer within no more than 10 hours.
5. I reserve the right to punish as I see fit for breaking any of these rules.
6. Have fun!
Proposal 1.1 by Shadow: Sloth and Shadow
Voting 1.1:Shadow nominated himself and Sloth for the mission
Yes (6): GJ, KJ, Rhand, Sloth, Shadow, Vaimes
No (1): Umami
The mission was succesful.
Proposal 2.1 by Sloth: Sloth, Umami, and Vaimes
Voting 2.1
Yes: Shadow, Sloth, Vaimes
No: KJ, Rhand, Umami
Did not vote and has received a prod: GJ
Proposal 2.2 by Umami: Sloth, Vaimes, and Umami
Voting 2.2
Yes: GJ, Shadow, Sloth, Umami, Vaimes
No: KJ, Rhand
Mission 2 Failed
3.1 by GJ: GJ, Rhand, Umami
3.1 Was approved and failed with 1 fail vote.
Yes (4): GJ, Rhand, Umami, Vaimes
No (3): Killjoy, Shadow, Sloth
Vaimes has proposed: KJ, Rhand, Umami, and Vaimes for mission 4.
4.1 Voting
Yes (3): KJ, Umami, Vaimes
No (4): Rhand, Shadow, Sloth, GJ
4.2 Voting Rhand Nominated: Rhand, Shadow, Sloth, Umami
Yes (1): KJ
No (6): GJ, Rhand, Shadow, Sloth, Umami, Vaimes
4.3 KJ nominated: KJ, Sloth, Umami, and Vaimes.
4.3 Was declined
Yes: KJ, Sloth, Vaimes
No: GJ, Rhand, Shadow
Not voting and will be prodded: Umami
Shadow proposed 4.4: Rhand, Shadow, Umami, and Vaimes
Proposal 4.4 was declined.
Shadow had nominated: Rhand, shadow, Umami, and Vaimes.
Yes: Shadow, Umami, Vaimes
No: GJ, KJ, Rhand, Sloth
The mission has been rejected.
Sloth Proposed: Rhand, Sloth, GJ, and Umami.
The mission succeeded with 3 passes and 1 fail.
Player List
1. GJ
2. Killjoy
3. Rhand
4. Shadow
5. Sloth
6. Umami
7. Vaimes
The nomination order has been randomized and is as follows:
1. Shadow
2. Sloth
3. Umami
4. GJ
5. Vaimes
6. Rhand
7. Killjoy
You may now post!
Before I throw my ideas out there I'll let Shadow say things.
shadow, I am a rebel and you will take me on a mission. Please.
As these are the types of things that we need to solve this game.
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Staff@KJ were you in any of the previous resistance/Avalon games?
@Vaimes: I’ll take you if you give a good rebel yell and also stop with the 100 post game
I don't know what a rebel yell is but I'd be happy to give you a good rebel kick in the butt.
Also, I think I was in every Resistance game. Wasn't in Avalon. I've played quite a few IRL games.
Vaimes: Well, for instance now if Shadow picks you for the first mission, I don't know if he wants to solve you or if it's because you asked.
Realistically I don’t think it makes a difference either way.
But also put me on the mission.
I'm taking more about talking too much about who can go on the first mission before Shadow gives his theory, etc.
Pick Vaimes > succeed > ??? > profit.
I won't be too active today.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I mean...doesn't he want to solve everyone? There's essentially nothing to go on at this point--first mission is usually pretty random.
Is Avalon usually on MTGS or another site?
I should prob read everything before I post
Can you explain this?
Also I feel like this game is lurkier, there are fewer players and sometimes the game is focused on one or two players, so when they’re not around things kind of die.
I mean the mission thing strikes me as Secret Hitler. It would be an awful idea to throw a facist policy on the first pairing unless you don't have a choice, and the player before you knows you don't have a choice.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
And by people I mean fulcrum.
Which makes overthinking the first mission kind of pointless. shadow should put me on a mission, because if there’s anything you can be sure of, it’s that spy!Vaimes doesn’t want a 1v1.
But I’m a rebel so that world isn’t relevant.
I haven't played secret hitler--are you just saying that bad guys always pass the first mission?
Okay--so there's nothing I can be sure of? But, yeah, agree that it's not worth overthinking the first mission nomination. Plus, you're 5 so you get automatic selection anyway
Not always. Pass or Fail is determined by cards, and there are more fail cards than pass cards, so sometimes the 2 man team can fail, even if both are rebels.
Vaimes is likely correct, based on how this game plays. Why create such an early game dichotomy, especially with a smaller team.
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StaffI like Vaimes. Wine or not, he’s going to pass the first mission, and if he is scum, I want him accountable early (more time to break him
Accepting applications for the 3rd slot.
(and am bored)
The GJ way path to no lynching:
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Also, unless [scumcoaching], deliberately having more than one spy on a mission that doesn’t need two failures seems like a really bad idea.
This is a game where the winest is king and I am here for it.That Is Not Her Name.
Question in general to the group: What information can we glean if a team is rejected? Never played this sort of game before so trying to figure out its pros and cons.
Loving the chill pace.
Trying not to get burnt like last game though. Perhaps I can't help but trust him when looking into the smoldering dark pools of his eyes...
Is this the game I scumread Rhand? Time will tell!
But yes, #21 is bad for at least 2 reasons off the top of my head.
VOTE--oh right, I have lost my power. Boo.
Though it'd be really hard in this setting with no off-thread communication.
Someone give me one so I center myself around it.
Yeah, #21 bothered me, but then I didn't want it to be another fonti situation so I'm trying not to fixate on it. Also, after seeing Rhand come in and read you off that bat, I kind of feel he might have some mystical power and maybe I should just trust his reads, but prob nah since I have no reason to trust him
That makes sense, but why the brackets?
A lot of people are laughing incredulously that I was the one to bring this up, I bet.
No clue. Perhaps Von Boy will explain.
Not necessarily what Rhand's doing, but also. What.