Why did they vote no? Because they don't know how everyone else is going to vote.
Besides, you aren't listening to me. That's how Vaimes would view the game if he were a rebel. From my perspective, I think it's Vaimes/Rhand+ 1 of KJ/Shadow. Umani is lock wolf, regardless of any other read Vaimes might or might not have from his perspective, right?
He is trying to backpedal pretty hard. If Vaimes is a spy, it means Rhand is a spy as well. You call me manipulative, but you use some strain of logic that that set can't be the spies because why vote no. And yet, when that same logic would clear me, you dismiss it because.... I would troll my own team and vote no each time?
If you really think Umani is the wolf from 2, only possible team for you is Shadow/KJ. That's a fact, and there is nothing you could argue otherwise unless you want to tin foil that we played chicken correctly.
I literally brought up this argument earlier when you were saying that voting no 100% cleared you. How does voting no 100% clear you but mean nothing for anyone else...
Okay, so I'm still stuck between KJ and Shadow. Sloth, Rhand, I read over your posts (and honestly I need to read them again), but what makes you so certain about KJ? I had a better gut feeling about Shadow. GJ has voted no repeatedly and has explained that he was playing conservatively for mission 5 and Vaimes and KJ have both proposed missions with each other. Is it really like him to try to play for credit for the 5th mission instead of just trying to win sooner?
Vaimes/GJ/Shadow seems to make the most sense of all teams, with Vaimes trying to go for an auto-include in mission 5 and Shadow for the win in Mission 4.
And GJ banking on town casting the votes they need.
It explains why Vaimes keeps voting yes on any mission that includes himself. He doesn’t seem to care about who else is on there that can possibly fail it.
The only team that can exist within Vaimes’ voting is Shadow/Sloth/GJ.
I disagree. To me, KJs votes are super weird. Like KJ voting yes on you/me/sloth/shadow proposal just screams to me that he must be bad. Like there's no way a good guy would every approve that mission that they're not on especially that early when you're not even choosing between that and an auto mission next and the only reason to vote yes on that mission would be to throw suspicion on it.
Vaimes/GJ/Shadow seems to make the most sense of all teams, with Vaimes trying to go for an auto-include in mission 5 and Shadow for the win in Mission 4.
And GJ banking on town casting the votes they need.
It explains why Vaimes keeps voting yes on any mission that includes himself. He doesn’t seem to care about who else is on there that can possibly fail it.
The only team that can exist within Vaimes’ voting is Shadow/Sloth/GJ.
I disagree. To me, KJs votes are super weird. Like KJ voting yes on you/me/sloth/shadow proposal just screams to me that he must be bad. Like there's no way a good guy would every approve that mission that they're not on especially that early when you're not even choosing between that and an auto mission next and the only reason to vote yes on that mission would be to throw suspicion on it.
No way that KJ thought that your mission was going through too because I said flat out I was voting no, shadow said he would wait too, and I think sloth said he was rejecting it from the beginning. He intentionally voted yes knowing it wouldn't do anything
...actually, going by early interactions, I don't think KJ and Vaimes are aligned - given that argument at the start of the game with Vaimes over Waiting for GodotShadow.
More on that are posts like #74, #76, and #79 seem to show a focus that isn't aligned.
Add that to #175, if KJ is spy, he's not spy with Vaimes - so it'd have to be KJ/Umami/{Shadow/GJ} @Rhand thoughts? Though I assume you're sticking with KJ/Umami/Shadow or did the new vote change anything?
In a scum!KJ world, with any of Vaimes/Umami/Rhand: Why the hell didn't the game end at 4.1? That still makes no sense.
@Rhand talk to me about your #631, because it bothers me: You say "Why not accept [4.1]? fear of getting caught on a mission you should reject" in regards to scum!Shadow not voting to pass 4.1 - why doesn't this also apply to a scum!GJ? You don't seem to be considering him at all?
Also, if the mission passed, it was game over. What worry is there of being caught?
Can you explain why there is no possible KJ/Vaimes world? I'll try to look up your citations but need to check in on the other game too.
I just feel like KJ went for the win and tried to equate it with Rhand’s mission idea of him + mission 2, but it’s not at all the same because Rhand was cleared while KJ was not. KJ never said he doubted Rhand or had a reason for leaving off the locktown player. He just opportunistically presented Rhand’s idea as if it applied to him in the same way. I don’t like it.
Sloth, like Shadow’s mission makes more sense than KJs. With locktown Rhand, trading rhand for one of mission 2 doesn’t increase risk and possibly solves the final 4. If Shadow was bad, he could just as easily steal Rhand’s idea like KJ did and do him + mission 2 for the win. His mission made way more sense to me.
Why did they vote no? Because they don't know how everyone else is going to vote.
Besides, you aren't listening to me. That's how Vaimes would view the game if he were a rebel. From my perspective, I think it's Vaimes/Rhand+ 1 of KJ/Shadow. Umani is lock wolf, regardless of any other read Vaimes might or might not have from his perspective, right?
He is trying to backpedal pretty hard. If Vaimes is a spy, it means Rhand is a spy as well. You call me manipulative, but you use some strain of logic that that set can't be the spies because why vote no. And yet, when that same logic would clear me, you dismiss it because.... I would troll my own team and vote no each time?
If you really think Umani is the wolf from 2, only possible team for you is Shadow/KJ. That's a fact, and there is nothing you could argue otherwise unless you want to tin foil that we played chicken correctly.
I literally brought up this argument earlier when you were saying that voting no 100% cleared you. How does voting no 100% clear you but mean nothing for anyone else...
It shouldn't 100% clear me. My point is that votes for mission 4 matter just lsightly greater than 0%
I just feel like KJ went for the win and tried to equate it with Rhand’s mission idea of him + mission 2, but it’s not at all the same because Rhand was cleared while KJ was not. KJ never said he doubted Rhand or had a reason for leaving off the locktown player. He just opportunistically presented Rhand’s idea as if it applied to him in the same way. I don’t like it.
Sloth, like Shadow’s mission makes more sense than KJs. With locktown Rhand, trading rhand for one of mission 2 doesn’t increase risk and possibly solves the final 4. If Shadow was bad, he could just as easily steal Rhand’s idea like KJ did and do him + mission 2 for the win. His mission made way more sense to me.
I don't doubt Rhand rn, but I doubt myself less. I know I'm a rebel, therefore me>someone I could theoretically be wrong about.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
GJ tried to destroy my towncred instead of working from an Umami scumteam, Vaimes tends to forget that Umami should be a spy from his pov and Shadow has always been dead set on having a team with Sloth on it.
Or at least that’s how I remember Shadow. That part I will reread just to be sure.
Anyway, here's your solve: since there was only one spy on the last mission, that means the rebels are Vaimes, Rhand, GJ, Sloth.
I really, really don't have the wim to strongarm you suckers into townreading me at this point. We can talk about it if you want, but this game is the lowest of my multitabbing priorities so I'm not doing any deep dives anytime soon.
Looking at the votecounts, there were tons of opportunities for Umami/shadow/KJ to win but they never took it. :/
But if there was more than one spy on the last mission, then it would've failed. One fail means one spy, which means three rebels, and I'm a rebel so that's four.
Yeah this game makes no sense. I can only assume spies thought they might be caught voting for a mission that the rebels decide to decline or something, and Umami forgot to vote for missions like once or twice.
Anyway, here's your solve: since there was only one spy on the last mission, that means the rebels are Vaimes, Rhand, GJ, Sloth.
Yeah I'm sticking with this rebel team, because there's a 0% chance of there being more than one spy on the last mission. How the spies have been voting is something that'll have to be explained postgame.
I'll be back once Umami's mission has been declined.
Hey been busy. ...looks like Rhand has too.
@umami, reasonably sure sigh...based just on votals and on me trying to understand the game.
Part of me wants to just pass this 'cause after this it's GJ and Vaimes, and then Rhand. And this is going to take FOREVER.
Ugh.
Hey Rhand, sorry about the delay. Pretty busy with the holiday weekend but wanted to check in. Honestly I think shadows good because he's generally made sense to me with his votes and his mission selection while KJ has just done stuff that I just don't think a good guy would do, plus I get the impression that he just wants to be on a mission. The mission 2 with a known fail + 1 other only works for you because you were cleared so KJ trying to apply to himself and act like it was the same really bothered me--it's legit the perfect set up to get a double fail. I explain it in a bit more detail with my 750s posts. Was there something specific you disagree with with my logic? I was hoping you and sloth would convince me on KJ and I get what you're saying but it still doesn't change my mind. I know that you guys have played more online and realistically are better at reading KJ, but I still have to go with my gut. If you want to wait for your mission selection, I won't be salty. But I will say I told you so if I'm right.
I’m guessing that was the winning mission. It was clear Umami was going to accept it, so if Shadow is a spy, GJ and Vaimes could have said yes.
@Sloth: thoughts?
I’m guessing that was the winning mission. It was clear Umami was going to accept it, so if Shadow is a spy, GJ and Vaimes could have said yes.
@Sloth: thoughts?
I'm annoyed that I'm apparently wrong on KJ, but yeah, pretty much don't see why else this would have occurred.
@GJ make your proposal for "Rhand, Sloth, Shadow, and Umami." Game's over. Please don't make us reject you and Vaimes for days before we finally get to Rhand and yes it.
I’m guessing that was the winning mission. It was clear Umami was going to accept it, so if Shadow is a spy, GJ and Vaimes could have said yes.
@Sloth: thoughts?
I'm annoyed that I'm apparently wrong on KJ, but yeah, pretty much don't see why else this would have occurred.
@GJ make your proposal for "Rhand, Sloth, Shadow, and Umami." Game's over. Please don't make us reject you and Vaimes for days before we finally get to Rhand and yes it.
You arrogance is going to single handily cost us this game.
I take no responsibility for you ******* the rebels harder than Vader at the end of Rogue One.
I intend to nominated myself, Rhand, sloth, and one of KJ/Sloth. I don't really know who is who. Since that is a failed mission, I am going to assume it's Shadow as the spy. Shadow/Umani/Vaimes for spyteam
Arrogance in response to a post where I admit I'm wrong. Sure.
GJ, why does the scum team reject a proposal if there's any of theirs in it at this point? Seriously. That, or your proposal, are the only things I want to hear from you.
I'm perfectly willing to lose this game if that's seriously what just happened. They're doing such mind gymnastics that I can't even keep up with.
Arrogance in response to a post where I admit I'm wrong. Sure.
GJ, why does the scum team reject a proposal if there's any of theirs in it at this point? Seriously. That, or your proposal, are the only things I want to hear from you.
I'm perfectly willing to lose this game if that's seriously what just happened. They're doing such mind gymnastics that I can't even keep up with.
I don't know but they did. Maybe because at least one person thought that you would do exactly what you did?
I keep teliing you and you keep tuning out. Stop ******* looking at the votes. They literally don't matter. In fact, you stating your plan.
The day getting to Rhand means we likely lose this game.
I know for a fact if yesterday passed, game was over. At least 1 spy approved. Why the other two didn't, I will never know.
I plan to nominate myself/sloth/KJ/Umani. There is at least 1 spy on that mission. I feel like if there were two, Vaimes would have voted yes, despite his no ****s given attitude.
Seriously though, stop treating votes like the ******* gospel. A spy voted to fail a mission with only a single fail. Clearly, people aren't ******* thinking, or likely one of the proposals yesterday before it got to you would have passed.
Or they, are and predicted you would decline a mission with you on it. I know you are trying to be cute and think you did the perfect no to out the team, but it's literally *****. Especially if Rhand is a spy.
SO as to why they didn't approve a mission if there was a clear failure on it? Because they probably didn't think it would pass on the first run. Probably for the same reason every other mission failed yesterday, and especially because it is very likely Rhand is a spy so they can just ride this to the end.
I keep teliing you and you keep tuning out. Stop ******* looking at the votes. They literally don't matter. In fact, you stating your plan.
feel like something got cut off there.
Why the hell do voting patterns don't matter this game? They are literally the only solid information we get. What are you basing your analysis on, if not that?
Or they, are and predicted you would decline a mission with you on it. I know you are trying to be cute and think you did the perfect no to out the team, but it's literally *****.
*****, I'm adorable.
I rejected that mission because I thought Shadow was scum, fully expecting that even with me rejecting it the scumteam would be enough to gain majority and the game would be over as a town loss anyway. No "cuteness" intended. To my surprise, it still didn't pass, and I have to admit that the most likely explanation is because I was wrong.
If I was going on conviction alone, you would sway me, but that's all you have. You're not giving any actual reasons.
I’m going to tell Grape that I’m rejecting everything that isn’t Umami’s mission again and proposing/accepting the same one again.
If we all do that, maybe we can speed to the end?
Why the hell do voting patterns don't matter this game? They are literally the only solid information we get. What are you basing your analysis on, if not that?
Because there is a default non random option that occurs, and the spies can win even if the forced proposal is from a rebel. In addition, as you have clearly shown, rebels have been willing to reject their own proposals, why risk getting outted? I would only vote yes as a spy personally if I was on a mission, because that would be a non spy reason to approve it.
What are you basing your analysis on, if not that?
Mission success and failure, and just personal reads. They aren't 0 percent relevant. I think if all three wolves were on either of the proposed missions, we'd have different results. That isn't ever going to happen though. Even your group of 4 has exactly 1 wolf on it. That's what I have been looking at.
Rhand's scum now? A day ago you were going to have him in the proposal. Why.
A day ago, you weren't confirmed, and Vaimes wasn't clearly outed. So it's either Rhand/Vaimes+1, or exactly Umani/KJ/Shadow. Since Vaimes is playing like someone who is outted and doesn't care anymore, I am assuming the former. This isn't rocket science from my rebel perspective man.
W. H. Y.
Because it votes were relevant, the odds that we would have lost before it got to you were astronomically high.
If I was going on conviction alone, you would sway me, but that's all you have. You're not giving any actual reasons.
Because I can't argue against the very grain of the fact that spies are slow rolling this. All I can tell you was Umani's proposal was a spy victory and it got rejected. You can't accept the rejection that today was correct, but none of the one yesterday before you would have resulted in a win.
The only thing I am questioning right now is for Shadow/KJ, would the spy there have voted yes or no if Umani's proposal had two spies. I am going to take all 72 hours, because as I said, if this game gets to Rhand, we lose.
Listen, GJ, I applaud you.
I think you're a spy, but you're making a HELL of a showing to try to change my mind and I really respect that - I hope this isn't coming as condescending because I mean it.
If I'm wrong and you're town I respect you even more for tackling whatever the **** 5D chess scum needlessly but evidently chose to do this game. I don't see it though, and will deserve to have you lord it over me.
Because there is a default non random option that occurs, and the spies can win even if the forced proposal is from a rebel. In addition, as you have clearly shown, rebels have been willing to reject their own proposals, why risk getting outted? I would only vote yes as a spy personally if I was on a mission, because that would be a non spy reason to approve it.
If all you need is one freaking vote aside from your team's to get your win, the only way you don't vote to accept is if you believe that all 3 town candidates (assuming only 1 spy in Umami's group) with reject it, and a scum team that seriously believes that never votes yes in general 'cause they're too chicke***** to ever make a move. Sorry if that comes across as insulting, but it's true.
Rhand's scum now? A day ago you were going to have him in the proposal. Why.
A day ago, you weren't confirmed, and Vaimes wasn't clearly outed. So it's either Rhand/Vaimes+1, or exactly Umani/KJ/Shadow. Since Vaimes is playing like someone who is outted and doesn't care anymore, I am assuming the former. This isn't rocket science from my rebel perspective man.
You're right, it isn't:
When saying "a day ago" I meant literally 24 hours ago, which was way after my proposal and, in fact, had been after Umami's. I had been confirmed for almost a week. This was in reference to your #786, where you stated your intention to nominate Rhand only to change your mind later for reasons. How did you get this wrong?
Rhand rejected 4.1, despite having no indication that any of the others in the proposal would - in fact as a group, we all "knew" they would all accept it based on their behavior. Rejecting a sure-thing denied Rhand a win in a Rhand/Vaimes world. Rhand cannot be scum with Vaimes.
Rhand was in 4.5, an auto-accepted mission that already had one at least one guaranteed scum. It's possible he was the one scum there but compound it with everything else he's done, I have no idea what he's doing.
Proposal 1.1 by Shadow: Sloth and Shadow
Voting 1.1:Shadow nominated himself and Sloth for the mission
Yes (6): GJ, KJ, Rhand, Sloth, Shadow, Vaimes
No (1): Umami
The mission was succesful.
Proposal 2.1 by Sloth: Sloth, Umami, and Vaimes
Voting 2.1
Yes: Shadow, Sloth, Vaimes
No: KJ, Rhand, Umami
Did not vote and has received a prod: GJ
Proposal 2.2 by Umami: Sloth, Vaimes, and Umami
Voting 2.2
Sloth Proposed: Rhand, Sloth, GJ, and Umami.
The mission succeeded with 3 passes and 1 fail.
@Umami, talk to me about why a rhand/shadow/vaimes team is impossible. Take your time.
I need to hear other people's reasons without my own to see if it's worth following.
Mission 4 succeeded with 3 passes and 1 fail.
It is now Umami's turn to nominate. She has 72 hours.
I literally brought up this argument earlier when you were saying that voting no 100% cleared you. How does voting no 100% clear you but mean nothing for anyone else...
I disagree. To me, KJs votes are super weird. Like KJ voting yes on you/me/sloth/shadow proposal just screams to me that he must be bad. Like there's no way a good guy would every approve that mission that they're not on especially that early when you're not even choosing between that and an auto mission next and the only reason to vote yes on that mission would be to throw suspicion on it.
No way that KJ thought that your mission was going through too because I said flat out I was voting no, shadow said he would wait too, and I think sloth said he was rejecting it from the beginning. He intentionally voted yes knowing it wouldn't do anything
Can you explain why there is no possible KJ/Vaimes world? I'll try to look up your citations but need to check in on the other game too.
Sloth, like Shadow’s mission makes more sense than KJs. With locktown Rhand, trading rhand for one of mission 2 doesn’t increase risk and possibly solves the final 4. If Shadow was bad, he could just as easily steal Rhand’s idea like KJ did and do him + mission 2 for the win. His mission made way more sense to me.
It shouldn't 100% clear me. My point is that votes for mission 4 matter just lsightly greater than 0%
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Also how are my votes weird?
Why did “the spy” fail? Shouldn’t it be “why did Umami fail?”
I agree that Vaimes is likely a spy. But that would mean GJ failed this mission. Is that a GJ thing to do?
GJ tried to destroy my towncred instead of working from an Umami scumteam, Vaimes tends to forget that Umami should be a spy from his pov and Shadow has always been dead set on having a team with Sloth on it.
Or at least that’s how I remember Shadow. That part I will reread just to be sure.
I really, really don't have the wim to strongarm you suckers into townreading me at this point. We can talk about it if you want, but this game is the lowest of my multitabbing priorities so I'm not doing any deep dives anytime soon.
But if there was more than one spy on the last mission, then it would've failed. One fail means one spy, which means three rebels, and I'm a rebel so that's four.
Yeah this game makes no sense. I can only assume spies thought they might be caught voting for a mission that the rebels decide to decline or something, and Umami forgot to vote for missions like once or twice.
I'll be back once Umami's mission has been declined.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
@umami, reasonably sure sigh...based just on votals and on me trying to understand the game.
Part of me wants to just pass this 'cause after this it's GJ and Vaimes, and then Rhand. And this is going to take FOREVER.
Ugh.
Well, in for a penny.
Why Shadow over KJ?
Yes: Rhand, Shadow, Umami
No: GJ, KJ, sloth, Vaimes
The mission has been rejected. It is now GJ's turn to nominate. He has 72 hours to propose a team.
@Sloth: thoughts?
@GJ make your proposal for "Rhand, Sloth, Shadow, and Umami." Game's over. Please don't make us reject you and Vaimes for days before we finally get to Rhand and yes it.
You arrogance is going to single handily cost us this game.
I take no responsibility for you ******* the rebels harder than Vader at the end of Rogue One.
I intend to nominated myself, Rhand, sloth, and one of KJ/Sloth. I don't really know who is who. Since that is a failed mission, I am going to assume it's Shadow as the spy. Shadow/Umani/Vaimes for spyteam
The GJ way path to no lynching:
GJ, why does the scum team reject a proposal if there's any of theirs in it at this point? Seriously. That, or your proposal, are the only things I want to hear from you.
I'm perfectly willing to lose this game if that's seriously what just happened. They're doing such mind gymnastics that I can't even keep up with.
gg spies
I don't know but they did. Maybe because at least one person thought that you would do exactly what you did?
I keep teliing you and you keep tuning out. Stop ******* looking at the votes. They literally don't matter. In fact, you stating your plan.
The day getting to Rhand means we likely lose this game.
I know for a fact if yesterday passed, game was over. At least 1 spy approved. Why the other two didn't, I will never know.
I plan to nominate myself/sloth/KJ/Umani. There is at least 1 spy on that mission. I feel like if there were two, Vaimes would have voted yes, despite his no ****s given attitude.
Seriously though, stop treating votes like the ******* gospel. A spy voted to fail a mission with only a single fail. Clearly, people aren't ******* thinking, or likely one of the proposals yesterday before it got to you would have passed.
Or they, are and predicted you would decline a mission with you on it. I know you are trying to be cute and think you did the perfect no to out the team, but it's literally *****. Especially if Rhand is a spy.
SO as to why they didn't approve a mission if there was a clear failure on it? Because they probably didn't think it would pass on the first run. Probably for the same reason every other mission failed yesterday, and especially because it is very likely Rhand is a spy so they can just ride this to the end.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Why the hell do voting patterns don't matter this game? They are literally the only solid information we get. What are you basing your analysis on, if not that? Rhand's scum now? A day ago you were going to have him in the proposal. Why. Same, if true. W. H. Y. *****, I'm adorable.
I rejected that mission because I thought Shadow was scum, fully expecting that even with me rejecting it the scumteam would be enough to gain majority and the game would be over as a town loss anyway. No "cuteness" intended. To my surprise, it still didn't pass, and I have to admit that the most likely explanation is because I was wrong.If I was going on conviction alone, you would sway me, but that's all you have. You're not giving any actual reasons.
Anyway, ping me when your proposal is made.
If we all do that, maybe we can speed to the end?
Because there is a default non random option that occurs, and the spies can win even if the forced proposal is from a rebel. In addition, as you have clearly shown, rebels have been willing to reject their own proposals, why risk getting outted? I would only vote yes as a spy personally if I was on a mission, because that would be a non spy reason to approve it.
Mission success and failure, and just personal reads. They aren't 0 percent relevant. I think if all three wolves were on either of the proposed missions, we'd have different results. That isn't ever going to happen though. Even your group of 4 has exactly 1 wolf on it. That's what I have been looking at.
A day ago, you weren't confirmed, and Vaimes wasn't clearly outed. So it's either Rhand/Vaimes+1, or exactly Umani/KJ/Shadow. Since Vaimes is playing like someone who is outted and doesn't care anymore, I am assuming the former. This isn't rocket science from my rebel perspective man.
Because it votes were relevant, the odds that we would have lost before it got to you were astronomically high.
Because I can't argue against the very grain of the fact that spies are slow rolling this. All I can tell you was Umani's proposal was a spy victory and it got rejected. You can't accept the rejection that today was correct, but none of the one yesterday before you would have resulted in a win.
The only thing I am questioning right now is for Shadow/KJ, would the spy there have voted yes or no if Umani's proposal had two spies. I am going to take all 72 hours, because as I said, if this game gets to Rhand, we lose.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
I’m here, just don’t be feel like anything needs added atp.
...what
No, What do you think of my strain of logic? Sorry if you said it recently, but what's your three?
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Scum team is you (GJ), Vaimes, KJ.
I think you're a spy, but you're making a HELL of a showing to try to change my mind and I really respect that - I hope this isn't coming as condescending because I mean it.
If I'm wrong and you're town I respect you even more for tackling whatever the **** 5D chess scum needlessly but evidently chose to do this game. I don't see it though, and will deserve to have you lord it over me.
If all you need is one freaking vote aside from your team's to get your win, the only way you don't vote to accept is if you believe that all 3 town candidates (assuming only 1 spy in Umami's group) with reject it, and a scum team that seriously believes that never votes yes in general 'cause they're too chicke***** to ever make a move. Sorry if that comes across as insulting, but it's true.
Voting patterns matter just as much if not more because there's no guess work on who voted what. So, you disregarding them is ? You're right, it isn't:
Not sure what you mean here.
I am so tired of this game...
Voting 1.1:Shadow nominated himself and Sloth for the mission
Yes (6): GJ, KJ, Rhand, Sloth, Shadow, Vaimes
No (1): Umami
The mission was succesful.
Proposal 2.1 by Sloth: Sloth, Umami, and Vaimes
Voting 2.1
Yes: Shadow, Sloth, Vaimes
No: KJ, Rhand, Umami
Did not vote and has received a prod: GJ
Proposal 2.2 by Umami: Sloth, Vaimes, and Umami
Voting 2.2
Yes: GJ, Shadow, Sloth, Umami, Vaimes
No: KJ, Rhand
Mission 2 Failed
3.1 by GJ: GJ, Rhand, Umami
3.1 Was approved and failed with 1 fail vote.
Yes (4): GJ, Rhand, Umami, Vaimes
No (3): Killjoy, Shadow, Sloth
Vaimes has proposed: KJ, Rhand, Umami, and Vaimes for mission 4.
4.1 Voting
Yes (3): KJ, Umami, Vaimes
No (4): Rhand, Shadow, Sloth, GJ
4.2 Voting Rhand Nominated: Rhand, Shadow, Sloth, Umami
Yes (1): KJ
No (6): GJ, Rhand, Shadow, Sloth, Umami, Vaimes
4.3 KJ nominated: KJ, Sloth, Umami, and Vaimes.
4.3 Was declined
Yes: KJ, Sloth, Vaimes
No: GJ, Rhand, Shadow
Not voting and will be prodded: Umami
Shadow proposed 4.4: Rhand, Shadow, Umami, and Vaimes
Proposal 4.4 was declined.
Shadow had nominated: Rhand, Shadow, Umami, and Vaimes.
Yes: Shadow, Umami, Vaimes
No: GJ, KJ, Rhand, Sloth
The mission has been rejected.
Sloth Proposed: Rhand, Sloth, GJ, and Umami.
The mission succeeded with 3 passes and 1 fail.
@Umami, talk to me about why a rhand/shadow/vaimes team is impossible. Take your time.
I need to hear other people's reasons without my own to see if it's worth following.