Grapefruit basically used the words I was going to, in a similar order.
Vote Sunglasses
(His over the top show of being cautious upon entering the thread was not a good look to start.)
Guess I'm too late to answer your question now
I like it though that you were waiting for my approval to start up a wagon.
Until you found it in Grape.
These are Pizza’s posts from before you asked the question:
Only a Sith deals in absolutes. *draws light saber*
To your other post, yeah, RVS is fine, but the number of micro games that a lynch has happened with at least one RVS Vote is higher than it should be.
What’s your Mafia experience?
I know the game. Been playing the better part of a decade at other places (Irl and forum, and a little bit of cry wolf when that movie came out) I decided to check this place out.
My behavior analysis is so-so and I sometimes get some wild reads but I wanna try and stay calm and collected.
SCPG maybe scum for not having sunglasses nor a guy in his avatar.
I do actually. It’s in my back-ups
*twiddles thumbs* so.
Who’s scum?
And this is a totally NAI post.
Calling any of this “over the top show of being cautious upon entering the thread” is a total exaggeration.
What I think happened here is that scum!Shadow was hoping that I would start a pizza wagon for him to agree with, and when I wasn’t answering, town!Grape started the wagon for him instead.
vote Shadowlancerx
this is rhands only read day 1 afaict
Which
Fair play i hammered before he got back or whatever.
But i dont think kj and grape are scum together from grapes positioning on sunglasses/kj early, so not really seeing a world where rhand isnt a wolf...
Rhand/grape
Rhand/kj Grape/kj
Teams with sunglasses
This post. You see grape being scum.
theres nothing in that post about grape being scum?
I mean i guess sort of because "if he is scum its not with kj because..." but not really?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
You don’t have a role so you are gonna try and win by counterclaiming.
It makes sense. There is absolutely no reason for you to not claim.
I claimed and it was confirmed by Tom AND killjoy. They can’t be on a team together unless someone counterclaims tracker or baker.
I can’t be counterclaimed because of the aforementioned confirmation.
that leaves doc/ theif / bus driver: none of which will provide relevant info to the game.
You want to put the doc when Tom dies so you can kill him. You only have a kill: no ability.
Tom planned to target you as he said in the chat, which also confirms he thought you were scum so the whole “ I like grapes push at the end of d1” argument is a lie.
I think we figured out the team guys.
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SGCP
Not the best choice, but a choice nonetheless.
Actually that's probably a point towards the team being Rhand/KJ.
So when I got my result my theory was that scum didn't know the Doc wasn't in the game and wanted to swap me and wisp so they were saved from the Doc protect. That no longer works with Doc being the missing token (or tom fake claiming tracker since he knew he was commuted when that happened).
As for why I targeted Wisp I figured he was the most likely player to try and lie about their action. He loves him some fps.
There is probably no team but Pizza/Tom that tries to shoot me here. Based on toDay I don't think it's pizza/tom. So I think Rhand must be scum. And Rhand's most likely buddy is KJ.
I am the doc. I didn’t take an action last Night because I figured I have a way better shot at actually saving someone N2.
someone is lying about the busdrive.
It can’t be tom because he was commuted.
It can’t be pizza because his commuter was proven.
It can be KJ but only with tom or pizza because he knew tom was commuted.
It can be Grape that just made up the busdrive.
Possible worlds:
Tom / KJ, Tom / Grape, pizza / KJ, pizza / Grape
I have very strong doubts it’s KJ. When he summed up the unclaimed roles, he forgot the busdriver, which in any scenario with him owuld have to be his own role.
Which only leaves tom/grape and pizza/grape.
We should lynch grape.
@Rhand I came to the conclusion that even though it doesn't make a ton of sense for you to do so it must be scum you. Because town you swapping me and Wisp makes even less (especially since you're claiming Doc now.
I mean i guess sort of because "if he is scum its not with kj because..." but not really?
SGCP
Not the best choice, but a choice nonetheless.
you just said there is “nothing” in that post that says grape is scum.
I’m so co fused
SGCP
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SGCP
Not the best choice, but a choice nonetheless.
G= grape
K= killjoy
R= rhand
S= sunglasses
The possible teams are:
GK
GR
GS
KR
KS
RS
Im eliminating GS/KS/RS because youre town
Im eliminating GK because of their reads on eachother/positioning
GR and KR are the only two left
They both have rhand in them.
Whered i lose you?
@Pizza I was unclear. I said both to question both of you, not to ask why you collectively targeted tom.
Please unvote both of you.
Anyway I still would like everyone to claim. I think I may have somewhat relevant information.
SGCP
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SGCP
Not the best choice, but a choice nonetheless.
I will not unvote considering Tom isn’t dead yet.
Tom, what possible relevant info could you have?
SGCP
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SGCP
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I'd like everyone to claim first.
interesting how you haven’t claimed yet.
SGCP
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this was posted after I voted.
SGCP
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He would need Rhand to be on at the same time and Rhand is on EU times.
And it is interesting how I haven't claimed yet. It's almost like that's relevant to what I have to say.
but you aren’t an information role.
mans nobody has bread. Or a letter.
SGCP
Not the best choice, but a choice nonetheless.
Did anyone get an Envelope from Last?
Tracker, thief, doc, bus driver.
Grape: I assume you tracked someone? I can't really see another way to get info.
It makes sense. There is absolutely no reason for you to not claim.
I claimed and it was confirmed by Tom AND killjoy. They can’t be on a team together unless someone counterclaims tracker or baker.
I can’t be counterclaimed because of the aforementioned confirmation.
that leaves doc/ theif / bus driver: none of which will provide relevant info to the game.
You want to put the doc when Tom dies so you can kill him. You only have a kill: no ability.
Tom planned to target you as he said in the chat, which also confirms he thought you were scum so the whole “ I like grapes push at the end of d1” argument is a lie.
I think we figured out the team guys.
SGCP
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We can wait and see.
@Pizza Rhand hasn't been on at the same time as KJ. Please unvote. That's one of the 3 most likely teams right now.
I'm the thief. I targeted Wisp and was redirected to myself and stole my own token.
Bus driver please claim and explain why you redirected Wisp and me.
SGCP
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SGCP
Not the best choice, but a choice nonetheless.
SGCP
Not the best choice, but a choice nonetheless.
sorry for posting so many times in a row but I’m on a roll here:
You are sounding so townie here except for one thing
rhand is the only one who hasn’t claimed. So why would you pretend you don’t know who the busdriver is?
SGCP
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Because I forgot that KJ had claimed because I'm bad.
Anyway why would me and Wisp being bus driven mean I died?
Hmmm maybe Sunglasses is Town. I don't think scum!Rhand bus drives me and Wisp to shoot one of us so tom/KJ? Feels wrong but nothing else makes sense.
because there is no way you were the NK last night. Why did you target whisp?
SGCP
Not the best choice, but a choice nonetheless.
So when I got my result my theory was that scum didn't know the Doc wasn't in the game and wanted to swap me and wisp so they were saved from the Doc protect. That no longer works with Doc being the missing token (or tom fake claiming tracker since he knew he was commuted when that happened).
As for why I targeted Wisp I figured he was the most likely player to try and lie about their action. He loves him some fps.
Has to be Rhand toDay.
@Pizza please unvote.
Pizza is right that no scum team ever shoots me last night. And town!Rhand bus driving me/Wisp is a very strange play.
@osi
Does it particularly matter where wisp sent the message?
Okay, Wisp is the most likely to lie in a way that I'd catch with my thief.
I know it would work to prevent a doctor but not sure of interaction here
someone is lying about the busdrive.
It can’t be tom because he was commuted.
It can’t be pizza because his commuter was proven.
It can be KJ but only with tom or pizza because he knew tom was commuted.
It can be Grape that just made up the busdrive.
Possible worlds:
Tom / KJ, Tom / Grape, pizza / KJ, pizza / Grape
I have very strong doubts it’s KJ. When he summed up the unclaimed roles, he forgot the busdriver, which in any scenario with him owuld have to be his own role.
Which only leaves tom/grape and pizza/grape.
We should lynch grape.
Ehh what is it? Would scum!me or town!me not do this?
@Rhand I came to the conclusion that even though it doesn't make a ton of sense for you to do so it must be scum you. Because town you swapping me and Wisp makes even less (especially since you're claiming Doc now.
This game is hard but it feels solvable...
KJ/Pizza works assuming the timing works the way I think it does.
Tom/KJ works assuming the timing works the way I think it does.
Hammers resolve most of that though.
Doesn’t the commuter create a Night chat hence outing that someone won’t be performing a kill before he has to submit it?