KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
I did think it was “odd” (ref: Killjoy; post#47) he was singling me out and only asking Rhand when there was a few other people he could have asked. By jumping to the conclusion that I thought scummy feels like a preemptive strike to form a wagon leading to my ultimate demise as a mislynch. But the argument was not in vain.
We now have a wagon on myself, putting me halfway to lynch. Grapefruit and Shadowlancerx are on this wagon. A few things I am posing in this thesis. The factors of this theory are this:
1. This game is small.
2. This is the first wagon of the game
3. Scum are looking to win, and win fast since there are only 2 of them and 5 of us.
4. I am halfway to being Lynched before page 1 ends.
Theory: Shadow and Grape are scum together.
(If they have the claim shot, that would also heighten their urgency for me to get into claim range.)
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Grapefruit basically used the words I was going to, in a similar order.
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(His over the top show of being cautious upon entering the thread was not a good look to start.)
Guess I'm too late to answer your question now
I like it though that you were waiting for my approval to start up a wagon.
Until you found it in Grape.
These are Pizza’s posts from before you asked the question:
Only a Sith deals in absolutes. *draws light saber*
To your other post, yeah, RVS is fine, but the number of micro games that a lynch has happened with at least one RVS Vote is higher than it should be.
What’s your Mafia experience?
I know the game. Been playing the better part of a decade at other places (Irl and forum, and a little bit of cry wolf when that movie came out) I decided to check this place out.
My behavior analysis is so-so and I sometimes get some wild reads but I wanna try and stay calm and collected.
SCPG maybe scum for not having sunglasses nor a guy in his avatar.
I do actually. It’s in my back-ups
*twiddles thumbs* so.
Who’s scum?
And this is a totally NAI post.
Calling any of this “over the top show of being cautious upon entering the thread” is a total exaggeration.
What I think happened here is that scum!Shadow was hoping that I would start a pizza wagon for him to agree with, and when I wasn’t answering, town!Grape started the wagon for him instead.
Oh and I think we shouldn't claim before lynch toDay. If we somehow decide not to lynch the claimed person, we feed into the claim vig and any role can be a mafia role.
Oh and I think we shouldn't claim before lynch toDay. If we somehow decide not to lynch the claimed person, we feed into the claim vig and any role can be a mafia role.
Rhand is good at this game. I like him.
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Forgot this was a mini. I take it Rvs votes should be held to a minimum?
Either the line before or after the Unvote seems fine. It’s wise to play it carefully, but both together looks like a show to be seen as pro town. He says “I should be careful” then asks if votes should be held to a minimum, but he already knows the answer.
Now we get to why I asked Rhand that question, and specifically Rhand. He entered the thread with a fun comment on me, without saying anything else, so I wanted to get quick, undiluted thoughts from him, so as I maybe formulate a read (obviously not what happened, by oh well).
Pizza then asks me pointedly about said question, which is fine, if a bit premature (he could just as easily seen where I went with Rhand, but that’s more player dependent than AI). At this point, KJ asks pizza his questions, and we get down the rabbit trail from there.
Ftr, I think KJ inferring that Pizza thought it was scummy is fine, he went from conversational to 2 bold, pointed questions, so to then jump on KJ for that is just disingenuous.
Does that really qualify as an over the top show of being cautious?
I read it as the first part being him who realized that he shouldn't vote and the second part a check on our meta of voting in RVS in a mini.
You answered him that voting in RVS is fine, so "he already knows the answer" isn't even true.
You thinking I am putting on a public show By being careful that early in the game is very paranoid in my opinion, shadowlancerx.
I can understand thinking that if there seems to be a pattern, but one show of that does not a scum tell make. Considering we have never played together before, I feel like you are jumping the gun.
I always thought putting words in someone’s mouth was scummy. And a goood scumtell. Me asking you those questions was just that, me being curious. Depending on your answer, I would have decided if it was scummy or not.
Yeah, it could have been scummy to ask them, but you also could have had a very towny reason for them.
Now, grapefruit jumping to the conclusion that I straight up think you are scummy for it is, in hindsight, understandable. But straight up putting words in my mouth before You can answer the question feels like an opportunity to “white knight” you and push a lynch on me.
Pepperoni asks motive behind sausages questions by asking legit questions.
Mushroom comes by and says pepperoni thinks sausage is scum.
But pepperoni never said that, mushroom did.
So a “wine in front of me situation” can now begin.
Dictating other people’s intentions and actions are not particularly towny in My opinionS. I can say it’s along the lines of answering a question directed at someone else.
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Side note: this is a fun game so far and I am having lots of joy.
Also, I have a small thought that if I didn’t unvote I’d be attacked for that instead. Considering shadow mentioned the positives of not Rvs voting in a mini.
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Does that really qualify as an over the top show of being cautious?
I read it as the first part being him who realized that he shouldn't vote and the second part a check on our meta of voting in RVS in a mini.
You answered him that voting in RVS is fine, so "he already knows the answer" isn't even true.
It absolutely qualifies, he really wanted us to know that he was cognizant or avoiding an accidental lynch. Like I said, the first and second lines make sense alone, but together they come across very disingenuously.
@Pizza, so how do you feel about my answers then?
As far as jumping the gun...you realized I poked first well before accusing you right?
Side note: this is a fun game so far and I am having lots of joy.
Also, I have a small thought that if I didn’t unvote I’d be attacked for that instead. Considering shadow mentioned the positives of not Rvs voting in a mini.
I am glad you are having fun
I think this is going to be a particularly interesting game, cause I think anyone here outside you who I don't know, plays a strong wolf game
Side note: this is a fun game so far and I am having lots of joy.
Also, I have a small thought that if I didn’t unvote I’d be attacked for that instead. Considering shadow mentioned the positives of not Rvs voting in a mini.
FTR, if you hadn’t unvoted and someone had attacked you, I’d be on them, because yeah, gotta be careful, but also can’t shame people for RVSing.
Side note: this is a fun game so far and I am having lots of joy.
Also, I have a small thought that if I didn’t unvote I’d be attacked for that instead. Considering shadow mentioned the positives of not Rvs voting in a mini.
I am glad you are having fun
I think this is going to be a particularly interesting game, cause I think anyone here outside you who I don't know, plays a strong wolf game
FWIW, I play a decent wolf game. But I wouldn’t make a rookie mistake of showcasing my towniness straight out the gate.
RE: Shadowlancerx
The thing is you didn’t really answer my question. Why his thoughts on me particularly? Obviously you already had thoughts on me, so what does his thoughts have to do with anything? It seems really in line of what he was saying about “Seeking his approval.” And not, what you said, about getting a read on.... him?
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I wanted his thoughts on you because I already was pinged by you, and him brushing right past that made me interested to see if you could be aligned. The fact that you’re now both voting me is curious; it’s a micro, so it’s not an antialign like it would be in a larger game. I want to extrapolate further, but I don’t actually think there’s enough here to do so yet.
I wanted his thoughts on you because I already was pinged by you, and him brushing right past that made me interested to see if you could be aligned. The fact that you’re now both voting me is curious; it’s a micro, so it’s not an antialign like it would be in a larger game. I want to extrapolate further, but I don’t actually think there’s enough here to do so yet.
The bolded states clearly you already thought I was scum aligned with Rhand
But the first quote states you were “poking me” well before the accusation.
So, and I can’t believe I’m actually saying this. Might as well make it as silly as it sounds:
*slams fists on the table*
WHERE’S THE POKE, SHADOWLANCERX?
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I wanted his thoughts on you because I already was pinged by you, and him brushing right past that made me interested to see if you could be aligned. The fact that you’re now both voting me is curious; it’s a micro, so it’s not an antialign like it would be in a larger game. I want to extrapolate further, but I don’t actually think there’s enough here to do so yet.
The bolded states clearly you already thought I was scum aligned with Rhand
*can’t tell if you’re intentionally misconstruing or just extraordinarily meticulous about meanings of words*
The bolded is not even close to “think you’re scum aligned with Rhand” it’s more like “let’s generate some info for me to analyze”.
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But the first quote states you were “poking me” well before the accusation.
So, and I can’t believe I’m actually saying this. Might as well make it as silly as it sounds:
*slams fists on the table*
WHERE’S THE POKE, SHADOWLANCERX?
It was the direct response to your post, asking for your experience. You know, rather than replying with a vote and saying “pizza lock scum for this post”.
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I will concede that you’re definitely playing very over the top, so that’s a thing.
I wanted his thoughts on you because I already was pinged by you, and him brushing right past that made me interested to see if you could be aligned. The fact that you’re now both voting me is curious; it’s a micro, so it’s not an antialign like it would be in a larger game. I want to extrapolate further, but I don’t actually think there’s enough here to do so yet.
The bolded states clearly you already thought I was scum aligned with Rhand
*can’t tell if you’re intentionally misconstruing or just extraordinarily meticulous about meanings of words*
The bolded is not even close to “think you’re scum aligned with Rhand” it’s more like “let’s generate some info for me to analyze”.
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But the first quote states you were “poking me” well before the accusation.
So, and I can’t believe I’m actually saying this. Might as well make it as silly as it sounds:
*slams fists on the table*
WHERE’S THE POKE, SHADOWLANCERX?
It was the direct response to your post, asking for your experience. You know, rather than replying with a vote and saying “pizza lock scum for this post”.
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I will concede that you’re definitely playing very over the top, so that’s a thing.
Well that makes sense. Sorry for being over the top. I’m trying to grasp certain parts of the game still. Behavioral analysis is not my forte, though I try really hard.
I’m not gonna lifT my vote though. I do think you could be scum.
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Well that makes sense. Sorry for being over the top. I’m trying to grasp certain parts of the game still. Behavioral analysis is not my forte, though I try really hard.
I’m not gonna lifT my vote though. I do think you could be scum.
Heh no need to be sorry, I’m quite enjoying the game, and was not saying you being over the top takes away from that.
Idk about the stuff in the parenthesis
but I agree he was overly aggressive, almost drowning out Killjoy
very little understanding
and then when Killjoy responded, they just brought unneeded sarcasm
I'll keep my vote on Killjoy
I want to see how he responds
so maybe I can understand his mindset here
Both sides over reacted but I score it as Sunglasses over reacting more. The snap vote over it feels wrong to me. If he was trying to perform a "gotcha" why get bogged down arguing the semantics rather than actually say something like "I carefully didn't say I thought the question was scummy, to see if anyone jumped to conclusions and ran with what I started". Maybe I'm placing the bar of towniness too high, but it feels like a attempt to pull a classic StinkyJoeTerry style scum slip but the tone isn't right for that.
He's arguing with KJ like I do when I'm in a tunnel debating someone, not like when players tend to do when they announce they caught scum.
All those words are bad, but the gist of it is that he didn't react like someone who thinks he caught scum in a carefully laid trap. And if be didn't attempt to lay a reaction trap by formulating his questions that way then his reaction is even more out of proportion because it's nigh impossible to not read scepticism into his tone there.
Hes just pretending reactionary means scummy and then doing a comparison, but it continues to be about who overreacted more and never comes back to scummy or not.
As a clarifying point, a show of cautiousness and actual cautiousness are very different.
how, in the world, do you distinguish the difference?
That’s the whole point of the game now isn’t it? I think you’ve displayed the former, but in most worlds where you’re town it’s the latter.
yeah but I did mean the former and you are saying I meant the latter (how is that for understanding words :p)
It’s weird to me that you can determine from one post that I am “feigning caution” when in fact you answered my question about it very positively.
I do follow your thought process, shadowlancerx. But here is the thing. You never asked my experience in minis.
My caution was about the voting system in minis, which I definitely do not have much experience in. So how, if you don’t know my experience, do you think I am feigning?
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Oh god, I have to do this by hand? I feel like I should just just throw out some coins to people to do it instead... You get a quarter! And you get a quarter! (Better than paying $60...)
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If you want to include the backfill you added later I'm connecting it to scumminess because the reaction was defensive over a very small poke initially. It felt like it was a guilty conscious speaking. Anyway I'll ask you to do the same exercise I asked last to do in 40.
I was interpreting you correctly then. I just think the fact that you led with the fact that I clear two slots when you cast your vote and followed up with reasoning that is weak (subjective read alert) makes you look suspect. Just not as suspect as Sunglasses.
Pretty sure I interpreted you correctly every step of the way.
Pizza did a thing and we conversed. It was premature, but possibly sincere.
Pizza voted me, Wisp followed. Wagon on Pizza follows. The wagon was quick. Grape seems to be voting Pizza because he thinks that my argument was fair, and Pizza's reaction was over the top. Shadow also thinks that Pizza's reaction was over the top, I assume shadow isn't also agreeing with my argument though.
Wisp elects to keep his vote on me because. while Pizza was over the top, my response just had "unneeded sarcasm." (It actually didn't, he's wrong here)
Wisp and Grape talk about Pizza's possible mindset. Grape is of the opinion that Pizza tried to "gotcha" me, and that looks bad. He also seems to think that Pizza's inital question was trying to insinuate that shadow is scummy (which is what I WAS saying, and not believe to be wrong). Last agrees with my interpretation of the mindset, that Pizza felt he was being misrepresented and reacted poorly.
Pizza then unvotes and goes back to questioning Shadow, making note that his wagon is suspicious.
Pizza claims his wagon is the first wagon of the game, which... isn't true. The one on me, that he started, was the first. I'm unsure what to make of that. He also thinks that Grape and shadow are both scum. I wanna say... I doubt that.
Rhand makes the point that Pizza's quick unvote of shadow from RVS shows a pure reaction to his vote. I agree. But then he also says that calling anything an over the top show of caution is an exaggeration. Thinks that shadow was waiting for him to start a wagon on Pizza, then Grape did it instead. Shadow is scum for this. He's very confident, saying that all that's left is to find his buddy in Wisp or tom (tom is scum).
Shadow responds to Pizza's questions in a way I kinda like, specficially that bit about the question to Rhand.
Pizza makes a decently sized post about why he thinks people putting words in his mouth is scummy. I disagree that it's as strong a scum thing than he thinks. It depends on the situation/circumstance. Depends on the point they use it to make, I'd say.
Shadow and Pizza discuss some stuff. Pizza seems to be feeling shadow out.
tom then votes Grape, saying that me/pizza are town if grape is scum. (I assume it's to do with the way he's talking about us, though I don't see specifically what he's talking about). Grape is scum because 38 is a strawman, equating reactionary to scummy and going from there.
Pizza joins the wagon, #followingtom
Grape thinks tom is scumreading him for info, which is... incorrect. Tom's reason is 13 posts before, so Grape shading tom for scumreading his is weird. Grape is not reading? Tom and Grape are discussing tom's scumread on Grape some more.
Wisp wants to be diffrent, votes shadow, making wagons 2/2/2.
Conclusions:
So, I think Pizza is town.
His vote/conversation with me wasn't as bad as others are saying.
I think Rhand hit the nail on the head about Pizza's unvote in RVS.
The wagon that popped up on him didn't feel right.
And I feel like there's a good chance of scum being there on that wagon.
Grape/Shadow probably aren't scum together though? Partially because scum following their buddy onto a wagon "for the same reasons" is weird, and also because I dislike Wisp's voting today. But Wisp and Shadow probably aren't aligned due to this latest vote. Evening out his buddy with the other two wagons is a weird thing when there's other wagons to push, for reasons that could probably stand.
I'm not a fan that Shadow is pushing something I actively disagree with, but I'm a fan of that one post.
I don't think Pizza and Shadow are scum together regardless, due to how Pizza seemed to be feeling him out.
Grape misrepresenting tom's reason for voting him doesn't really make sense to me. It's clear to me that what Grape is saying is the reason, isn't. So IDK what grape is Getting at there.
Rhand hasn't made any posts I've specifically taken a liking to, nor any posts I've specifically disliked as a whole. His confidence that shadow is scum is a little jarring, amd his "I wonder who his buddy is" felt like a step too far.
Wisp's mostly just blankvoted and did some other stuff that haven't felt AI. His votes haven't felt like they've had behavioral reasons, just gameflow reasons/reaction reasons (which don't say much about his alignment). All in all, a lot of things that aren't AI in a row makes me weary.
tom still hasn't done much yet, but his posts aren't bad. His most important posts are in his discussion with Grape, and tom has a point there.
Grape/tom probably not aligned due to this discussion I think though.
Pizza
Tom
Grape/Shadow
Wisp
Rhand
I think given everything Shadow probably isn't scum in this world.
My gut says Rhand/Wisp is most likely, but that would mean there were no scum on the Pizza wagon... which... is possible I guess? Scum in Rhand/Wisp/Grape/(tom?)
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KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Also we're missing a post. Post 24.
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I did think it was “odd” (ref: Killjoy; post#47) he was singling me out and only asking Rhand when there was a few other people he could have asked. By jumping to the conclusion that I thought scummy feels like a preemptive strike to form a wagon leading to my ultimate demise as a mislynch. But the argument was not in vain.
We now have a wagon on myself, putting me halfway to lynch. Grapefruit and Shadowlancerx are on this wagon. A few things I am posing in this thesis. The factors of this theory are this:
1. This game is small.
2. This is the first wagon of the game
3. Scum are looking to win, and win fast since there are only 2 of them and 5 of us.
4. I am halfway to being Lynched before page 1 ends.
Theory: Shadow and Grape are scum together.
(If they have the claim shot, that would also heighten their urgency for me to get into claim range.)
Vote Shadowlancerx
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Guess I'm too late to answer your question now
I like it though that you were waiting for my approval to start up a wagon.
Until you found it in Grape.
These are Pizza’s posts from before you asked the question:
He starts with a RVS vote which I thought was funny.
To then realize how few votes are needed in this game and unvote, which feels to me like a pure reaction to his own vote.
This is a normal answer to a question.
And this is a totally NAI post.
Calling any of this “over the top show of being cautious upon entering the thread” is a total exaggeration.
What I think happened here is that scum!Shadow was hoping that I would start a pizza wagon for him to agree with, and when I wasn’t answering, town!Grape started the wagon for him instead.
vote Shadowlancerx
Rhand is good at this game. I like him.
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I think it's tom.
Pizza came into the thread with an RVS Vote, great, whatever.
His follow up post is what first pinged me. Either the line before or after the Unvote seems fine. It’s wise to play it carefully, but both together looks like a show to be seen as pro town. He says “I should be careful” then asks if votes should be held to a minimum, but he already knows the answer.
Now we get to why I asked Rhand that question, and specifically Rhand. He entered the thread with a fun comment on me, without saying anything else, so I wanted to get quick, undiluted thoughts from him, so as I maybe formulate a read (obviously not what happened, by oh well).
Pizza then asks me pointedly about said question, which is fine, if a bit premature (he could just as easily seen where I went with Rhand, but that’s more player dependent than AI). At this point, KJ asks pizza his questions, and we get down the rabbit trail from there.
Ftr, I think KJ inferring that Pizza thought it was scummy is fine, he went from conversational to 2 bold, pointed questions, so to then jump on KJ for that is just disingenuous.
I read it as the first part being him who realized that he shouldn't vote and the second part a check on our meta of voting in RVS in a mini.
You answered him that voting in RVS is fine, so "he already knows the answer" isn't even true.
I can understand thinking that if there seems to be a pattern, but one show of that does not a scum tell make. Considering we have never played together before, I feel like you are jumping the gun.
I always thought putting words in someone’s mouth was scummy. And a goood scumtell. Me asking you those questions was just that, me being curious. Depending on your answer, I would have decided if it was scummy or not.
Yeah, it could have been scummy to ask them, but you also could have had a very towny reason for them.
Now, grapefruit jumping to the conclusion that I straight up think you are scummy for it is, in hindsight, understandable. But straight up putting words in my mouth before You can answer the question feels like an opportunity to “white knight” you and push a lynch on me.
Pepperoni asks motive behind sausages questions by asking legit questions.
Mushroom comes by and says pepperoni thinks sausage is scum.
But pepperoni never said that, mushroom did.
So a “wine in front of me situation” can now begin.
Dictating other people’s intentions and actions are not particularly towny in My opinionS. I can say it’s along the lines of answering a question directed at someone else.
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Also, I have a small thought that if I didn’t unvote I’d be attacked for that instead. Considering shadow mentioned the positives of not Rvs voting in a mini.
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@Pizza, so how do you feel about my answers then?
As far as jumping the gun...you realized I poked first well before accusing you right?
I think this is going to be a particularly interesting game, cause I think anyone here outside you who I don't know, plays a strong wolf game
FWIW, I play a decent wolf game. But I wouldn’t make a rookie mistake of showcasing my towniness straight out the gate.
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The thing is you didn’t really answer my question. Why his thoughts on me particularly? Obviously you already had thoughts on me, so what does his thoughts have to do with anything? It seems really in line of what he was saying about “Seeking his approval.” And not, what you said, about getting a read on.... him?
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This kind of contradicts this statement.
The bolded states clearly you already thought I was scum aligned with Rhand
But the first quote states you were “poking me” well before the accusation.
So, and I can’t believe I’m actually saying this. Might as well make it as silly as it sounds:
*slams fists on the table*
WHERE’S THE POKE, SHADOWLANCERX?
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The bolded is not even close to “think you’re scum aligned with Rhand” it’s more like “let’s generate some info for me to analyze”. It was the direct response to your post, asking for your experience. You know, rather than replying with a vote and saying “pizza lock scum for this post”.
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I will concede that you’re definitely playing very over the top, so that’s a thing.
Well that makes sense. Sorry for being over the top. I’m trying to grasp certain parts of the game still. Behavioral analysis is not my forte, though I try really hard.
I’m not gonna lifT my vote though. I do think you could be scum.
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Fair. The feeling is currently mutual
Red flip prolly confirms sunglasses/kj as town
Hes just pretending reactionary means scummy and then doing a comparison, but it continues to be about who overreacted more and never comes back to scummy or not.
@tom: I’ll get back to you.
how, in the world, do you distinguish the difference?
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I’ll follow Tomsloger for now. He feels confident and sincere.
Also, that mustache <3
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yeah but I did mean the former and you are saying I meant the latter (how is that for understanding words :p)
It’s weird to me that you can determine from one post that I am “feigning caution” when in fact you answered my question about it very positively.
I do follow your thought process, shadowlancerx. But here is the thing. You never asked my experience in minis.
My caution was about the voting system in minis, which I definitely do not have much experience in. So how, if you don’t know my experience, do you think I am feigning?
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Grapefruit21 (2) - tomsloger, SunglassesCoolPizzaGuy
SunglassesCoolPizzaGuy (2) - Grapefruit21, shadowlancerx
shadowlancerx (1) - Rhand
tomsloger (1) - Lastwhisper
Not voting: Killjoy
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I think I'm happy where I am. I might feel slightly better about Pizza but I feel worse about tom. Not quite enough to split my vote though.
Doesnt make it <not expositional> though
hahahahahahahahahahahaha. Holy ***** I legit laughed out loud.
SGCP
Not the best choice, but a choice nonetheless.
You voted me without a case because you think my flip gives 100% info on two others. Of course I'm a bit suspicious.
Tell me more about how I'm making things up.
If you want to include the backfill you added later I'm connecting it to scumminess because the reaction was defensive over a very small poke initially. It felt like it was a guilty conscious speaking. Anyway I'll ask you to do the same exercise I asked last to do in 40.
I think youre scum for the reason i said i think youre scum
I think if thats correct the people i said are clear if youre scum are clear
Where and how are you misinterpreting that
vote: Shadow
Pretty sure I interpreted you correctly every step of the way.
The Happenings
Pizza did a thing and we conversed. It was premature, but possibly sincere.
Pizza voted me, Wisp followed. Wagon on Pizza follows. The wagon was quick. Grape seems to be voting Pizza because he thinks that my argument was fair, and Pizza's reaction was over the top. Shadow also thinks that Pizza's reaction was over the top, I assume shadow isn't also agreeing with my argument though.
Wisp elects to keep his vote on me because. while Pizza was over the top, my response just had "unneeded sarcasm." (It actually didn't, he's wrong here)
Wisp and Grape talk about Pizza's possible mindset. Grape is of the opinion that Pizza tried to "gotcha" me, and that looks bad. He also seems to think that Pizza's inital question was trying to insinuate that shadow is scummy (which is what I WAS saying, and not believe to be wrong). Last agrees with my interpretation of the mindset, that Pizza felt he was being misrepresented and reacted poorly.
Pizza then unvotes and goes back to questioning Shadow, making note that his wagon is suspicious.
Pizza claims his wagon is the first wagon of the game, which... isn't true. The one on me, that he started, was the first. I'm unsure what to make of that. He also thinks that Grape and shadow are both scum. I wanna say... I doubt that.
Rhand makes the point that Pizza's quick unvote of shadow from RVS shows a pure reaction to his vote. I agree. But then he also says that calling anything an over the top show of caution is an exaggeration. Thinks that shadow was waiting for him to start a wagon on Pizza, then Grape did it instead. Shadow is scum for this. He's very confident, saying that all that's left is to find his buddy in Wisp or tom (tom is scum).
Shadow responds to Pizza's questions in a way I kinda like, specficially that bit about the question to Rhand.
Pizza makes a decently sized post about why he thinks people putting words in his mouth is scummy. I disagree that it's as strong a scum thing than he thinks. It depends on the situation/circumstance. Depends on the point they use it to make, I'd say.
Shadow and Pizza discuss some stuff. Pizza seems to be feeling shadow out.
tom then votes Grape, saying that me/pizza are town if grape is scum. (I assume it's to do with the way he's talking about us, though I don't see specifically what he's talking about). Grape is scum because 38 is a strawman, equating reactionary to scummy and going from there.
Pizza joins the wagon, #followingtom
Grape thinks tom is scumreading him for info, which is... incorrect. Tom's reason is 13 posts before, so Grape shading tom for scumreading his is weird. Grape is not reading? Tom and Grape are discussing tom's scumread on Grape some more.
Wisp wants to be diffrent, votes shadow, making wagons 2/2/2.
Conclusions:
So, I think Pizza is town.
And I feel like there's a good chance of scum being there on that wagon.
Grape/Shadow probably aren't scum together though? Partially because scum following their buddy onto a wagon "for the same reasons" is weird, and also because I dislike Wisp's voting today. But Wisp and Shadow probably aren't aligned due to this latest vote. Evening out his buddy with the other two wagons is a weird thing when there's other wagons to push, for reasons that could probably stand.
I'm not a fan that Shadow is pushing something I actively disagree with, but I'm a fan of that one post.
I don't think Pizza and Shadow are scum together regardless, due to how Pizza seemed to be feeling him out.
Grape misrepresenting tom's reason for voting him doesn't really make sense to me. It's clear to me that what Grape is saying is the reason, isn't. So IDK what grape is Getting at there.
Rhand hasn't made any posts I've specifically taken a liking to, nor any posts I've specifically disliked as a whole. His confidence that shadow is scum is a little jarring, amd his "I wonder who his buddy is" felt like a step too far.
Wisp's mostly just blankvoted and did some other stuff that haven't felt AI. His votes haven't felt like they've had behavioral reasons, just gameflow reasons/reaction reasons (which don't say much about his alignment). All in all, a lot of things that aren't AI in a row makes me weary.
tom still hasn't done much yet, but his posts aren't bad. His most important posts are in his discussion with Grape, and tom has a point there.
Grape/tom probably not aligned due to this discussion I think though.
Pizza
Tom
Grape/Shadow
Wisp
Rhand
I think given everything Shadow probably isn't scum in this world.
My gut says Rhand/Wisp is most likely, but that would mean there were no scum on the Pizza wagon... which... is possible I guess? Scum in Rhand/Wisp/Grape/(tom?)
Gonna put questions in a seperate post so this isn't all just one post