if Shadow flips town I am re-evaluating everything
including shadow, Pizza still seems good
even if Shadow flips scum
I dont think this hammer is + or - scum points for Tom, but like it would definitely be way out of character in terms of how he plays as a wolf, in regards to bussing
I once swallowed a coin to see what kind of candy would come out. The doctor told me the machine was broken. So I swallowed another one after I left the hospital. The doctor told me that if I swallowed a third coin, I would die. I didn't die.
My lawyer has asked me to inform you that the lever may be difficult to pull. I am legally required to let you know that attempting to pull the lever waives all legal responsibility on the part of our company should you suffer injury or distress from the results.
Shadowlancerx has been lunched. He was...
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Night 1 Actions are due by 1 PM MST on Friday. February 28th, and Day 2 will start some time in the early afternoon, MST, on Saturday, February 29th.
Do not attempt to swallow tokens. Tokens may include substances that are toxic to humans, particularly those with a weak constitution.
Wisp has died. In mourning him, you find a card in the mangled wreckage of his body that reads:
Day 2 Lynch Deadline will be Noon MST on Thursday, March 5th, whether or not the host is around. It will then be twilight until the host is conscious and able to officially end the Day.
Since it is currently LyLO, votes will lock when made.
With 5 living players in the game, it takes 3 to lynch.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Hi, i voted because i thought it was grape and shadow and wanted to be a hero.
I did not consider the deadline or anyones availability.
Id say sorry, but im not. I was just wrong
Pizza did a thing and we conversed. It was premature, but possibly sincere.
Pizza voted me, Wisp followed. Wagon on Pizza follows. The wagon was quick. Grape seems to be voting Pizza because he thinks that my argument was fair, and Pizza's reaction was over the top. Shadow also thinks that Pizza's reaction was over the top, I assume shadow isn't also agreeing with my argument though.
Wisp elects to keep his vote on me because. while Pizza was over the top, my response just had "unneeded sarcasm." (It actually didn't, he's wrong here)
Wisp and Grape talk about Pizza's possible mindset. Grape is of the opinion that Pizza tried to "gotcha" me, and that looks bad. He also seems to think that Pizza's inital question was trying to insinuate that shadow is scummy (which is what I WAS saying, and not believe to be wrong). Last agrees with my interpretation of the mindset, that Pizza felt he was being misrepresented and reacted poorly.
Pizza then unvotes and goes back to questioning Shadow, making note that his wagon is suspicious.
Pizza claims his wagon is the first wagon of the game, which... isn't true. The one on me, that he started, was the first. I'm unsure what to make of that. He also thinks that Grape and shadow are both scum. I wanna say... I doubt that.
Rhand makes the point that Pizza's quick unvote of shadow from RVS shows a pure reaction to his vote. I agree. But then he also says that calling anything an over the top show of caution is an exaggeration. Thinks that shadow was waiting for him to start a wagon on Pizza, then Grape did it instead. Shadow is scum for this. He's very confident, saying that all that's left is to find his buddy in Wisp or tom (tom is scum).
Shadow responds to Pizza's questions in a way I kinda like, specficially that bit about the question to Rhand.
Pizza makes a decently sized post about why he thinks people putting words in his mouth is scummy. I disagree that it's as strong a scum thing than he thinks. It depends on the situation/circumstance. Depends on the point they use it to make, I'd say.
Shadow and Pizza discuss some stuff. Pizza seems to be feeling shadow out.
tom then votes Grape, saying that me/pizza are town if grape is scum. (I assume it's to do with the way he's talking about us, though I don't see specifically what he's talking about). Grape is scum because 38 is a strawman, equating reactionary to scummy and going from there.
Pizza joins the wagon, #followingtom
Grape thinks tom is scumreading him for info, which is... incorrect. Tom's reason is 13 posts before, so Grape shading tom for scumreading his is weird. Grape is not reading? Tom and Grape are discussing tom's scumread on Grape some more.
Wisp wants to be diffrent, votes shadow, making wagons 2/2/2.
Conclusions:
So, I think Pizza is town.
His vote/conversation with me wasn't as bad as others are saying.
I think Rhand hit the nail on the head about Pizza's unvote in RVS.
The wagon that popped up on him didn't feel right.
And I feel like there's a good chance of scum being there on that wagon.
Grape/Shadow probably aren't scum together though? Partially because scum following their buddy onto a wagon "for the same reasons" is weird, and also because I dislike Wisp's voting today. But Wisp and Shadow probably aren't aligned due to this latest vote. Evening out his buddy with the other two wagons is a weird thing when there's other wagons to push, for reasons that could probably stand.
I'm not a fan that Shadow is pushing something I actively disagree with, but I'm a fan of that one post.
I don't think Pizza and Shadow are scum together regardless, due to how Pizza seemed to be feeling him out.
Grape misrepresenting tom's reason for voting him doesn't really make sense to me. It's clear to me that what Grape is saying is the reason, isn't. So IDK what grape is Getting at there.
Rhand hasn't made any posts I've specifically taken a liking to, nor any posts I've specifically disliked as a whole. His confidence that shadow is scum is a little jarring, amd his "I wonder who his buddy is" felt like a step too far.
Wisp's mostly just blankvoted and did some other stuff that haven't felt AI. His votes haven't felt like they've had behavioral reasons, just gameflow reasons/reaction reasons (which don't say much about his alignment). All in all, a lot of things that aren't AI in a row makes me weary.
tom still hasn't done much yet, but his posts aren't bad. His most important posts are in his discussion with Grape, and tom has a point there.
Grape/tom probably not aligned due to this discussion I think though.
Pizza
Tom
Grape/Shadow
Wisp
Rhand
I think given everything Shadow probably isn't scum in this world.
My gut says Rhand/Wisp is most likely, but that would mean there were no scum on the Pizza wagon... which... is possible I guess? Scum in Rhand/Wisp/Grape/(tom?)
Gonna put questions in a seperate post so this isn't all just one post
some mindmeld on this pizza read. Also like that its in the summary portion and not really played up in the conclusions?
Shadow read also shows a little depth as its, like, one good post, a question he liked, and 2 unalignments.
Kinda hate his whole sorting of the bottom. Seems arbitrary
Going to see if I can rule any more Rhand teams out. Possible I shouldn't be scratching KJ off but I'm willing to for now.
i didnt and dont agree with some number of these
But the actual reasons he gave around these did feel pretty well processed. Like, can see it coming from towngrape and maybe being right.
In particular liked his last/kj one coming from both sides and including the scumlast TMI meta, and honestly i didnt hate his me/shadow unalignment (since he wouldnt know that me and shadow are just friends now and talk all the time and being in a game together is a slight disruption of our dont starve playing)
Hes just pretending reactionary means scummy and then doing a comparison, but it continues to be about who overreacted more and never comes back to scummy or not.
this still holds.
Grapes push on sunglasses was *****
Grapefruit basically used the words I was going to, in a similar order.
Vote Sunglasses
(His over the top show of being cautious upon entering the thread was not a good look to start.)
Guess I'm too late to answer your question now
I like it though that you were waiting for my approval to start up a wagon.
Until you found it in Grape.
These are Pizza’s posts from before you asked the question:
Only a Sith deals in absolutes. *draws light saber*
To your other post, yeah, RVS is fine, but the number of micro games that a lynch has happened with at least one RVS Vote is higher than it should be.
What’s your Mafia experience?
I know the game. Been playing the better part of a decade at other places (Irl and forum, and a little bit of cry wolf when that movie came out) I decided to check this place out.
My behavior analysis is so-so and I sometimes get some wild reads but I wanna try and stay calm and collected.
SCPG maybe scum for not having sunglasses nor a guy in his avatar.
I do actually. It’s in my back-ups
*twiddles thumbs* so.
Who’s scum?
And this is a totally NAI post.
Calling any of this “over the top show of being cautious upon entering the thread” is a total exaggeration.
What I think happened here is that scum!Shadow was hoping that I would start a pizza wagon for him to agree with, and when I wasn’t answering, town!Grape started the wagon for him instead.
vote Shadowlancerx
this is rhands only read day 1 afaict
Which
Fair play i hammered before he got back or whatever.
But i dont think kj and grape are scum together from grapes positioning on sunglasses/kj early, so not really seeing a world where rhand isnt a wolf...
Rhand/grape
Rhand/kj Grape/kj
Teams with sunglasses
Yeh you silenced me D1 while there was still a lot of time to talk.
You really have nothing tom. You should’ve killed me to shut me up because now you have no choice but to push me while your reads yesterDay were completely different.
Tom you aren’t voting grape who you have been sure of since yesterday. Why?
im not sure of anything grape made a really scummy push hes mostly been fine since
Currently think hes more likely than kj but not by a lot and both less than rhand by teambuilding.
Also thought the most likely grape buddy was shadow by a fair amount.
That uh... doesnt seem to be the case
Go read our pirates chat again my dude i dont feel like explaining how i use unalignments to you again.
Its not like this is even AI i certaibly do it as scum too.
Yes i thought grapes push on you was scummy and disagreed with some of his conslusions. I also liked a few things and have good reason to believe hes not with KJ.
Even if i did find him objectively the scummiest, which im not even sure i do overall, i think via worldbuilding rhand is a better vote/more likely to flip scum/continue the game.
The agenda with which he came into today furthers this because, as i sort of predicted last, im probably the beat shot at the game winning mislynch after my (bad?) hammer.
Grapefruit basically used the words I was going to, in a similar order.
Vote Sunglasses
(His over the top show of being cautious upon entering the thread was not a good look to start.)
Guess I'm too late to answer your question now
I like it though that you were waiting for my approval to start up a wagon.
Until you found it in Grape.
These are Pizza’s posts from before you asked the question:
Only a Sith deals in absolutes. *draws light saber*
To your other post, yeah, RVS is fine, but the number of micro games that a lynch has happened with at least one RVS Vote is higher than it should be.
What’s your Mafia experience?
I know the game. Been playing the better part of a decade at other places (Irl and forum, and a little bit of cry wolf when that movie came out) I decided to check this place out.
My behavior analysis is so-so and I sometimes get some wild reads but I wanna try and stay calm and collected.
SCPG maybe scum for not having sunglasses nor a guy in his avatar.
I do actually. It’s in my back-ups
*twiddles thumbs* so.
Who’s scum?
And this is a totally NAI post.
Calling any of this “over the top show of being cautious upon entering the thread” is a total exaggeration.
What I think happened here is that scum!Shadow was hoping that I would start a pizza wagon for him to agree with, and when I wasn’t answering, town!Grape started the wagon for him instead.
vote Shadowlancerx
this is rhands only read day 1 afaict
Which
Fair play i hammered before he got back or whatever.
But i dont think kj and grape are scum together from grapes positioning on sunglasses/kj early, so not really seeing a world where rhand isnt a wolf...
Rhand/grape
Rhand/kj Grape/kj
Teams with sunglasses
This post. You see grape being scum.
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SGCP
Not the best choice, but a choice nonetheless.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
including shadow, Pizza still seems good
even if Shadow flips scum
I dont think this hammer is + or - scum points for Tom, but like it would definitely be way out of character in terms of how he plays as a wolf, in regards to bussing
shadowlancerx (4) - Rhand, Lastwhisper, SunglassesCoolPizzaGuy, tomsloger
Lastwhisper (1) - shadowlancerx
Rhand (1) - Killjoy
SunglassesCoolPizzaGuy (1) - Grapefruit21
Shadowlancerx has been lunched. He was...
Night 1 Actions are due by 1 PM MST on Friday. February 28th, and Day 2 will start some time in the early afternoon, MST, on Saturday, February 29th.
Wisp has died. In mourning him, you find a card in the mangled wreckage of his body that reads:
Day 2 Lynch Deadline will be Noon MST on Thursday, March 5th, whether or not the host is around. It will then be twilight until the host is conscious and able to officially end the Day.
Since it is currently LyLO, votes will lock when made.
With 5 living players in the game, it takes 3 to lynch.
I’m feeling a tom rhand team.
SGCP
Not the best choice, but a choice nonetheless.
I will dig into this game tomorrow.
My initial leaning is also tom/pizza but I don't want to rush into anything.
Someone give me the case on pizza again?
nope.
I targeted Tom last night. I was the communitizer.
SGCP
Not the best choice, but a choice nonetheless.
Claimed/Known Roles
Claim Vig
Envolope Inventor
Baker
Communizer
Also I was Baker in 1, tried to send him fancy bread and got blocked.
So I did it again.
And I got blocked...again.
Why would that exclude a tom/you team?
Also confirming i know its lylo and wont be voting like an idiot
@tom: why hammer when these two posts exist?
Tom in chat was a little odd tbh.
He said he barely had any reads, yet D1 made a list of possible teams. In my head, this is a contradiction.
If you have good enough reads to make possible teams, wouldn’t that mean you have reads? Enough reads to discuss in chat.
But when asked, he deflected saying he didn’t have any.
Anyone with experience with to. Have any insight?
SGCP
Not the best choice, but a choice nonetheless.
Oooo I second this question.
SGCP
Not the best choice, but a choice nonetheless.
Why would I block my own teammate?
SGCP
Not the best choice, but a choice nonetheless.
But yeh, you’re right, it wouldn’t really make sense.
I did not consider the deadline or anyones availability.
Id say sorry, but im not. I was just wrong
Sunglasses town
Was most of the way there yesterday. Am there completely after commute chat for <reasons>
Thats it
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A little more sorting though.
Grape early on with the bad strawmanning. Rhand is floating. Kj is mostly IIOA.
Like, i liked kjs sunglasses read, which i also think is correct.
I really liked grapes last push even though apparently that was wrong.
If i were to vote right now itd be rhand
Shadow read also shows a little depth as its, like, one good post, a question he liked, and 2 unalignments.
Kinda hate his whole sorting of the bottom. Seems arbitrary
I think I agree with you
SGCP
Not the best choice, but a choice nonetheless.
But the actual reasons he gave around these did feel pretty well processed. Like, can see it coming from towngrape and maybe being right.
In particular liked his last/kj one coming from both sides and including the scumlast TMI meta, and honestly i didnt hate his me/shadow unalignment (since he wouldnt know that me and shadow are just friends now and talk all the time and being in a game together is a slight disruption of our dont starve playing)
Grapes push on sunglasses was *****
what?
more reason to believe Tom is scum.
said he had no reads. This is a read.
here he jumps to shadow and still thinks grape is scum. Doesn’t keep his vote on grape. Just calls shadow scum and hammers.
This feels intentional, especially when we still had some time to figure out shadow.
In grapes team list shadow was on every viable team. Yet he was voting me with shadow.
SGCP
Not the best choice, but a choice nonetheless.
Which
Fair play i hammered before he got back or whatever.
But i dont think kj and grape are scum together from grapes positioning on sunglasses/kj early, so not really seeing a world where rhand isnt a wolf...
Rhand/grape
Rhand/kj
Grape/kjTeams with sunglasses
You really have nothing tom. You should’ve killed me to shut me up because now you have no choice but to push me while your reads yesterDay were completely different.
SGCP
Not the best choice, but a choice nonetheless.
SGCP
Not the best choice, but a choice nonetheless.
Currently think hes more likely than kj but not by a lot and both less than rhand by teambuilding.
Also thought the most likely grape buddy was shadow by a fair amount.
That uh... doesnt seem to be the case
Let’s go. Tom/grape die.
SGCP
Not the best choice, but a choice nonetheless.
Might as well take a shot to be on the right side of history
Sunglasses still town
vote rhand
except grape was your read with shadow at the end of yesterday.
and he is still today. Yet you are after rhand.
SGCP
Not the best choice, but a choice nonetheless.
Its not like this is even AI i certaibly do it as scum too.
Yes i thought grapes push on you was scummy and disagreed with some of his conslusions. I also liked a few things and have good reason to believe hes not with KJ.
Even if i did find him objectively the scummiest, which im not even sure i do overall, i think via worldbuilding rhand is a better vote/more likely to flip scum/continue the game.
The agenda with which he came into today furthers this because, as i sort of predicted last, im probably the beat shot at the game winning mislynch after my (bad?) hammer.
It makes sense if he is your partner.
SGCP
Not the best choice, but a choice nonetheless.
Whats this two days in a row?
Ive found exactly one of grapes pushes scummy
This post. You see grape being scum.
SGCP
Not the best choice, but a choice nonetheless.
@tom: tell me what you liked about grapes last push.
@Grape:
This question feels unproductive neither of us know the answer as to why we BOTH chose Tom. So why did you ask it?
SGCP
Not the best choice, but a choice nonetheless.
Specifically that vote on Rhand seems too aggressive for my liking.
I wanna hear more from the other three before we Lynch though.
What does this mean. I am so confised
SGCP
Not the best choice, but a choice nonetheless.