[quote from="shadowlancerx »" url="/forums/community-forums/mafia/816344-token-power-4-purity-day-1-one-side-is-a-villager?comment=150"Last rabbit holing against KJ having a read on Rhand that he thinks is bad is...just kinda dumb. I’m not sure what it’s purpose is if he’s scum.[/quote]
In a world where Rhand does die today and does flip wolf, then day 2 will probably just be me having my vote on myself, because in a world where KJ is town, I do not want us both being in F3 lylo
That's a lot of the reason that I don't like killjoy
What seems genuine about Last, and why is that specifically town telling?
Again though, forest through the trees. You start the game off with a display of being cautious about your vote, unvoting your RVS vote immediately. Yet you've bounced around with gusto, and it feels like a cognitive disconnect.
Killjoy's thought process sets up town for a loss if he is town, so I want to know why he thinks everything he says, so I can evaluate him and his thoughts
In a world where Rhand does die today and does flip wolf, then day 2 will probably just be me having my vote on myself, because in a world where KJ is town, I do not want us both being in F3 lylo
That's a lot of the reason that I don't like killjoy
nah if youre scum its prolly TMI rhands town or something
I am not giving him a town lean, if u want to argue him off the table for today, sure? but that's kind of stupid in a micro
he goes from trying to understand to jumping the gun over and over, so I can't get a grasp on his mindset here
Killjoy makes this wall about, shades the pizza wagon, then concludes Rhand/Me because ???
and just now he explained why Rhand, which is perfectly fine, but that never crossed my mind, so like when I see, a random vote on Rhand I am just confused, I see someone either maliciously pushing things, or just not correctly evaluating the game
plus it was a complete disconnect from who I thought he should have ended up voting
also I hate being PoE'd, talks about how my posts are not AI, and somehow I end up as a scum lean?
it makes no sense
and then I have to work harder to understand his mindset
Last, that's what PoE is. I don't have a specific town read of you, but I can't eliminate you as scum either. Also, if people have a string of NAI posts, they usually are >rand nontown because town tend to do town things just by virtue of playing to their win con.
With regards to your question, it felt like you'd already formed a conclusion, and that you didn't really want an answer to that question. Rhand felt like he wanted to know, so I answered him.
So what I take from this is I was unclear in my conclusions? I'm unsure how it's unclear though. I'll restate it later I guess to see if I can help that happen later.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Killjoy's thought process sets up town for a loss if he is town, so I want to know why he thinks everything he says, so I can evaluate him and his thoughts
Also, this is the exact thought process that got me tunneling you in Seasons. Be careful with it.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
My brain is telling me that this is probably just town Killjoy, and Pizza doesn't really have any direction, too all over the place with his votes
He pushes things he thinks are wolfy, and then re-evaluates them at every turn
If you are going to power wolf then I don't see the point unless currently wolves are in a good spot, and if is a wolf then wolves certainly aren't in a good spot right now
@Killjoy
The problem last game is you didn't take the middle ground, you wanted me to be a wolf, nothing more nothing less.
In a world where Rhand does die today and does flip wolf, then day 2 will probably just be me having my vote on myself, because in a world where KJ is town, I do not want us both being in F3 lylo
That's a lot of the reason that I don't like killjoy
nah if youre scum its prolly TMI rhands town or something
The problem last game is you didn't take the middle ground, you wanted me to be a wolf, nothing more nothing less.
The reason for which is because I thought that "Last has been consistantly on town for 1300 posts until he couldn't afford to be" was a good tell. It wasn't.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Ok lol
And yes the likelyhood of be making that reaction on Rhand if we are both wolves is slim, I think it's fine to believe if I am a wolf then he is town
Starts to get a bit iffy, if you start using that to justify Rhand as town pre-flip though
Sure, if I were to do that, then that would be iffy. For that to happen, I'd have to keep pushing him at that point, but if I think he's more likely town than someone else I most likely wouldn't be pushing him.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Starts to get a bit iffy, if you start using that to justify Rhand as town pre-flip though
Sure, if I were to do that, then that would be iffy. For that to happen, I'd have to keep pushing him at that point, but if I think he's more likely town than someone else I most likely wouldn't be pushing him.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
You think KJ and Wisp can be buddies? Why? I knew you'd disagree on you and shadow just on principle but I don't think this is the old dream team reunion.
I'm probably disrespecting Shadow's range on Pizza but I'm pretty confident crossing KJ/Pizza off.
KJ's reaction doesn't feel wrong though. I think it might point to Wisp/Rhand or Wisp tmi'ing Rhand but I don't see LW/KJ. I mean maybe Last is just angry at a buddy for doing something he thinks is stupid but I don't buy that right now.
The tact that you haven't is mind of the read. I'm very confident if you two were buddies you would have acknowledged each other more than you have here. Maybe it's just non stop bottle popping in the scum chat but I strongly feel some of that "fun" would have spilled into the thread.
Day 1 Lynch Deadline will be 10 AM MST on Saturday, February 29th, whether or not the host is around. It will then be twilight until the host is conscious and able to officially end the Day.
What didn’t you like about it? How do you feel about pizza’s vote hopping?
wolves don't really play like that?
he doesn't really seem to even have a direction
like his play here would have to be, "Maybe if I look so sporadic they won't think I am a wolf"
unvote
Things change. People post things that change my reads on them. It’s the way the game goes.
lasts reaction seems genuine and frustrated. I’m gonna put him in the town column for now. So back to shadow.
what is so bad about voting “everyone in the game” if I think you are scum I am gonna vote you, isn’t that how this works?
SGCP
Not the best choice, but a choice nonetheless.
if he’s scum.[/quote]That's a lot of the reason that I don't like killjoy
Again though, forest through the trees. You start the game off with a display of being cautious about your vote, unvoting your RVS vote immediately. Yet you've bounced around with gusto, and it feels like a cognitive disconnect.
With regards to your question, it felt like you'd already formed a conclusion, and that you didn't really want an answer to that question. Rhand felt like he wanted to know, so I answered him.
So what I take from this is I was unclear in my conclusions? I'm unsure how it's unclear though. I'll restate it later I guess to see if I can help that happen later.
He pushes things he thinks are wolfy, and then re-evaluates them at every turn
If you are going to power wolf then I don't see the point unless currently wolves are in a good spot, and if is a wolf then wolves certainly aren't in a good spot right now
@Killjoy
The problem last game is you didn't take the middle ground, you wanted me to be a wolf, nothing more nothing less.
/Shrug
And yes the likelyhood of be making that reaction on Rhand if we are both wolves is slim, I think it's fine to believe if I am a wolf then he is town
Micros are definitely solvable by unalignments. Theres only 15 possible 2-man teams
We'll see how it goes!
vote grapefruit
SGCP
Not the best choice, but a choice nonetheless.
Pretty sure that KJ/Wisp are never w/w.
Tom and Shadow probably aren't either.
Pizza isn't with KJ and probably not with Shadow.
Viable teams:
Rhand/Wisp, Rhand/Tom, Rhand/Shadow, Rhand/Pizza
Wisp/Shadow, Wisp/tom, Wisp/Pizza
KJ/Shadow, KJ/Tom
Tom/Shadow, Tom/pizza
Going to see if I can rule any more Rhand teams out. Possible I shouldn't be scratching KJ off but I'm willing to for now.
Especially tom/shadow
I'm probably disrespecting Shadow's range on Pizza but I'm pretty confident crossing KJ/Pizza off.
KJ's reaction doesn't feel wrong though. I think it might point to Wisp/Rhand or Wisp tmi'ing Rhand but I don't see LW/KJ. I mean maybe Last is just angry at a buddy for doing something he thinks is stupid but I don't buy that right now.
Were talking about eliminating it here and i wouldnt.
@Grapefruit
Hi Last. Why shouldn’t I vote you right now?
Grapefruit21 (2) - tomsloger, SunglassesCoolPizzaGuy
shadowlancerx (2) - Rhand, Lastwhisper
SunglassesCoolPizzaGuy (2) - Grapefruit21, shadowlancerx
Rhand (1) - Killjoy
Not voting:
Day 1 Lynch Deadline will be 10 AM MST on Saturday, February 29th, whether or not the host is around. It will then be twilight until the host is conscious and able to officially end the Day.
With 7 players in the game, it takes 4 to lynch.
Unvote
vote shadowlancerx
SGCP
Not the best choice, but a choice nonetheless.
I already have. Sticking with my gut. You and grape.
SGCP
Not the best choice, but a choice nonetheless.
Whats the team?
I think Killjoy/Pizza are fine for today
so I am looking at you/rhand/tom/Grape
my gut tells its Tom/You, but I dont necessarily have reasons to believe he is a wolf, only that I didnt like your jump onto pizza
wolves don't really play like that?
he doesn't really seem to even have a direction
like his play here would have to be, "Maybe if I look so sporadic they won't think I am a wolf"
also you thoughts on Grape would be nice
@last: I’ll get back to you on Grape. For pizza In a game this size, being everywhere has the benefit of maybe getting something to stick.
vote hopping doesn’t mean anything but a changing thought process. Do you think that’s a scummy thing to do? Many reactions and actions have happened.
SGCP
Not the best choice, but a choice nonetheless.
SGCP
Not the best choice, but a choice nonetheless.
vote shadow
Ill see you all day 2 I guess
what is the reason behind this post?
SGCP
Not the best choice, but a choice nonetheless.